Stockpiling ammo a baseline and a harsh reality check
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2024
- Today we look at stocking ammo for #teotwawki from its the ideal situation to harsh reality on foot lets check it out. #wrol #firearms #prepared #preparedness #prepper #prepping #shtf #minutemen #preppergear #ammo #ammoprep #stockpiling #ammunition #loadouts
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You do realize that reloading your own ammo is an option as well specislly if your bugging in and have the brass bullets and primers on hand which a few of ny family memebers do reload so you dont always have to buy ammo so theres another " your a dipshit " moment
Why are you so angry 😂
who pissed in your AR bro?
@CPTcripp nobody BRO, im just tired of people putting out biased information and this individual thinks that because he's law enforcement that he knows best and the content hes putting in his videos is a bunch of bs and I was calling it out. And the phrase "dipshit" seemed to fit, I mean I could of said a lot worse
I reload, and I admit I am way behind on my goals. Sadly, I don't expect that I would have a lot of evenings to be sitting on a stool pulling the handle if WROL becomes a nationwide thing, I think I will continue to have a lot more pressing 😅 issues that take up most of my waking hours.
@@feoxorus i agree i prep my stuff long in advance so things slide together much much quicker if im predded for ammo in a pinch.... basically i do it as i can when i can in stages. i have several seperate loaders so i dont have to change any settings, everything is right in order boom bam blap...
Fitness should be your first line of defense, folks. Get fit while staying tactical.
So very TRUE!!!
Get fit even if you dont have a tactical bone in your body.
hiked 5 miles with a 20 lb pack on today! get at it people it doesnt have to be complicated!
Absolutely. Physical preparation and the home gym maybe the most neglected prep
Maybe fit-in-dis whole pizza in my stomach. But honestly yes fitness is the most important thing.
As a 16 year 2/2 Marine I can guarntee anyone that no man is carrying that much shit.
One rifle with standard load out. Other more important things will be needed.
Want to survive a gun fight? Don't get into one.
Ammo to train with or just shoot may become impossible to get. Nobody is going to carry all that. Look at it as a ammo 401k. Now that I am retired and prices are up that would be handy for many purposes.
Thank you, Sir, for your service and sacrifice. Thank you for sharing your hard -fought wisdom. We salute you!!! Godspeed.
This isnt the marines, civilians dont have a magic logistical system rivaling the greatest acts of fiction humans have written to give them free ammo whenever they need it. If we want to be able to resupply we need to go out and buy the ammo to do so with
He’s not carrying it, he’s bugging in.
OIF 2 here. Body armor, 210 rd. B.C.L. ,water, IFAK, other s#it, your azz is TIRED !! 😆
Several years ago I was putting together a small arsenal of SHTF firearms, one I wanted was a Mosin Nagant rifle because at the time ammo was dirt cheap for it, after a lot of searching I found a nice one and bought it at a gun show, One of the biggest complaints from preppers about a Mosin rifle was it was too Heavy, I picked it up and thought Hell, this this isn't that heavy to me, maybe those other people are weak ! After buying it, I slung it on my shoulder with the strap that came with it and continued looking around the gun show, after about 15 minutes or so the sling started digging into my shoulder a bit and chaffing the skin but not too bad and I switched it to the other shoulder, it was July and hot so I only had a thin shirt on with nothing to cushion the strap from my skin
then as I walked around the show I began switching the rifle more from shoulder to shoulder , then moved the strap across my chest but it made the rifle hang out where t would hit people as I walked along because the rifle is so long, so it was back to the shoulder again, anyway after another 30 or 40 minutes I was just carrying it at my side by hand to give my shoulders a break then my hand began to cramp, finally I found a bench to sit down and I was just wore out from carrying the Mosin, Then I thought Man this thing is real brick to carry around for any extended period of time and thought about the comments from others that said the Mosin was too heavy and realized they knew what they were talking about, So when people say they are going to carry several hundred rounds of ammo , a sidearm, plus other essentials like water and food, knives, body armor in a SHTF , They should load it up some time and take a hike with it for a couple hours before deciding what weapon or weapons and gear they plan on lugging around
Yep. I got armor, but that is for bugging-in. If I have to go out, I'm leaving that behind. if I'm walking, water is going to be the most important thing. In fact, if it was just me (no family) I would leave the guns and ammo at home and just bring a knife as the only thing I'll have that they want is water and if they try taking that, well, then I would have guns and ammo :) But I got a family now so guns and ammo is needed, but water is the most important thing and it's heavy.
This is true. So many people do not train regularly enough for it to work in real life. If you carry enough weight on a regular basis you get used to it. It is also easier when you are young.
well said and excellent point. I discovered a similar issue about a year ago with a plate carrier. I jogged and walked on my treadmill with my plate carrier on and discovered I could only cover about less than half the distance I could without the plate carrier. I also noticed the plate carrier made my shoulders and neck muscles extremely fatigued. Now, if some people literally train with a plate carrier regularly, that might be different. I found since then that an old school H or Y harness with some LBE is the way to go for any minute man or SHTF. Plate carriers are for urban settings or using a vehicle.
@@OneNationUnderGod.45 I wore body armor for over a decade. Watch TV with it on. Those muscles take time. Put it on and go about your day inside. Start every three days, then every other day. Do your morning warmup stretches and watch TV in on. It will grow in no time. STOP immediately if your back hurts. Then do some core exercises for a week and repeat.
Got it. I need 6.2 billion rounds of ammo.
And then after that just one more box.
6.2 billion rounds of 155 mm or 105 mm in 3 x that.
Fauci has a lot of those already taken care of.
That is what obama said....
lol hahaha
I follow the Barney Fife guide for ammo stockpiling.
1 round for each firearm, carried in my shirt pocket, "just in case."
😂
Few years ago a friend was talking about loading 1K rounds for "bug out", of 30-06! I asked him, "do you really know what you are talking about? I did more 18-20 mile load out rucks than I care to remember.
Put 500 rounds of 30-06 ammo in a full ruck, walk 5 miles. Then the next week, put 2,500 rounds of 22LR in that ruck and walk 5 miles.
22LR is the GOAT of ammo
How much work does a 22lr do? Vs 30-06?
How much work does a Prius do?.
How much work does a F350 do?
1,000 rounds of 30-06 for a bugout seems high. I think that was a fair point. But which round you carry depends on what work you need to get done.
People are dumb shitf 3006 an 8mm Mauser gives you lots to with vs 22lr lol 😂
I did a bug out from a hurricane took a rifle a 7 mags and a pistol with a 4 mags.
Before I was working and didn't have a chance to leave it was a nasty one after I was retired and after a accident.
With all the other stuff it was a pain in the butt.
The next one that came along my snubbie 44 a 16in 44 carbine and one box of ammo.
@@tbjtbj4786 that's funny. I have similar enough path I followed. Except I haven't dealt with a hurricane since I was about 8. And with my recent stuff I brought a full sized .357 revolver and a .357 carbine. And a box of ammo.
But if I thought civilization was ending I'd bring something different.
Reading the comments.; You're not gonna bug out to the mountains of plenty u dream of .. You're neighbors up here are your worst bet for survival. Stay put..
Amen to that!
Yep, everybody thinks they are going to leave the city/burbs and get into the wilderness. A) there isn't that much wilderness anymore. B) those out of the city don't want you in their territory. They may start shooting anybody they don't know as they will see them as invaders trying to take their food source. You may have a 'place' to go to that is welcoming, but you have to go through a lot of territory that isn't welcoming. IMHO, there is only one reason to bug out, and that is fire and in that situation, the destination needs to be as close as possible. The exception to that rule is if you are bugging out before SHTF but you know it's coming.
To add to that, I remember in 2008 after hurricane Ike. I rode out the storm on my boat (my home at the time) that was anchored in Galveston. I did ok during the storm but lost my inflatable. I rode my surf board to shore to find it after the storm. I found one of my propane tanks (lost 2) and the floor of my inflatable on one shore. I re-anchored next to the other shore and went to search for the rest of my inflatable. While I was searching I noticed my boat was drifting. I start paddling back on my board but couldn't keep up. Luckily a boat came by and I convinced them to take me to my boat. Here is the relevance: they wanted to shoot me for looting first. I wasn't sure what I was more pissed about: that my boat was about to get smashed on the rocks AFTER a hurricane because I didn't anchor it right, or that these guys wanted to shoot me for a misunderstanding. Point is, lots of trigger happy people out there and when they know nobody is around to do anything about it, there isn't much deterrence to them shooting you. Sure, you can go armed and be ready, but they may see you first and decide to shoot first (in the back) and ask questions later. So stay put as much as possible.
Everyone’s kids will get them killed. Stay single and childless
@@FranklinGraydang amigo, thats a rough story :(
I’ve had a couple situations where I wanted to slap my forehead, because of a simple task that -in a panic- I missed a step or two and it caused a huge disruption to my life.
Glad it worked out safely for you though
And thank you for sharing your experience. I will remember your cautionary tale 🙏🏽
Also, my ammo minimum is 1,000 rounds per rifle, 500 rounds per pistol/revolver, 500 rounds per shotgun and 5,000 rounds per 22lr.
What type of rounds
22y 4m in the Marine Corps. 3 tours. If you need 10,000 rounds of ammo, or 10,000 per weapon you probably not going to survive anyway! That's full blown combat! I'm not sure what people think SHTF will be like? In the city will be most difficult. Country folks will need to stop scavengers and gangs. Sustained firefight probably won't happen, could, but probably not. I think most people have unrealistic views of SHTF. I know people who have hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo. They have went into debt, mortgage their house and property for preps. Bad idea! SHTF will not last forever. There people you owe money will eventually want it back! You may not have a job. If you can't pay it back they will take your home and property. Don't survive SHTF just to become homeless. Pay off all your debt first! Nothing is going to happen anytime soon. You have time. Don't owe anyone.
Like this common sense thinking. People romanticize things they know nothing about. We get to the 3rd world scenario and we’ve got serious problems. Picture the world when the supermarkets close their doors. People can’t even provide the basics for themselves in this country. But this won’t happen overnight and you are right there’s time to get your house in order.
No one knows what or how SHTF will take place or how long it will actually last.
Either you have what you and yours need or you dont, id rather have than need.
But yeah dont go into debt for it
Agree owe no man anything. Don't be a slave and learn skills
Yeah you are mostly right, people think there's going to be long term gun fighting. But that not gonna happen. When people realize theres no hospitals, ambulances or people coming to save them. The absolute last thing 99 percent of the population is gonna wanna do is have someone slinging lead at them. I know a couple who have more ammunition than every police dept in my county. And more semi heavy weapons then a entire platoon could carry. Probably 5years worth of MREs. 😂 if i had to eat 5years of MRE. i wouldn't want to survive SHTF.
My primary purpose of having a stash is so that I can continue to shoot and practice through the ammo shortages that occur every year or so due to the political winds. Yes, the same ammo can be used for other things but like you said I wouldn’t expect to use or survive thousands of rounds in a hostile environment. Just converting to a sustainable living situation is going to be hard enough, even living in the country with land.
20” barrel basically turns everything into a gold dot lol
Yeah I think people get too caught up in ammo. On handguns yes, it matters. I have some nosler 77 grain OPM and some bouji rifle rounds…but does it matter? Maybe a little now, if we’re talking one shot maybe ever so slightly(not enough for me to care(…but that’s one shot, 2-3 in a boar and does it matter? I think not but you be the judge. probably less so if society crashes and airlifts are not readily available
Yes . CQB is overrated. 16 to 20 inch is the deal especially if you have it on a bullpup
dude ill take 10k m193 over 1k anything else. honestly, when it comes down to it, a bullet is a bullet. everything else i agree with. I only have one rifle that takes a "special" load and thats my SPR build, but everything else, m193 or m855 is the go to.
Exactly my thought but I'd start w 855...what little bit of punch it has might be enough for what you need to get thru...i want to try some of that 855a1
@@garrettpittman7374855 is straight garbage for a round there's another video coming in a week or so that deep dive why ball ammo isn't where it's at
@@samgolson862 whatever man, most people cant afford to stock large quantities of hunting or self defense style ammo, even if it is " better". i mean a few mags sure, but the vast majority of peoples stock is either m193 and m855, and thats a hell of a lot better than not having it. id be curious to hear how m855 is "garbage for a round" and what you actually mean by that.
@@garrettpittman7374 me too!
@@samgolson862 who is telling you m855 is "straight garbage"? It's accurate and dings up ar500 pretty good...if you're gonna spend all that money to stock pile vmax or 77grain whatevers bc standard ammo is "garbage" you might as well go w something bigger like a 308 and stockpile that
I don't get it. Defensive rounds are somewhat for knockdown power but frankly mostly it's to prevent over penetration and the associated legal jeopardy during the post-incident investigation. In a lawless situation you're not really looking at the individual performance of rounds but at the overall effect on target. You may end up doing a lot of things that you would not do in civilized times; such as use volume of fire to suppress a superior force, engage multiple targets, etc...
As an overall strategy - remember, I can't predict any single scenario here other than a general state of lawlessness - I want volume over individual performance. I truly believe you would be much happier with 3,000 rounds of bottom of the barrel steel cased ammo than 750 of your fancy rounds. (As long as those steel cased rounds are in fact reliable to about 99.9% - less than 1 failure in 1000 rounds fired. Which they tend to be.) Fancy rounds are nice when each shot counts. But lawlessness dictates a much less defined state of conflict that necessitates warfare as opposed to self defense.
Agreed, I've seen guys storing 10k rds of hollow point. Not here to judge, it's their money but FMJ will get any job done when lawlessness breaks out.
I made a similar comment, but it’s mostly for handguns. Quality expanding or fragmenting rifle ammo is considerably more lethal than rifle ammo that ice picks through. Granted, even cheap FMJ rifle ammo can fragment but the defensive/hunting bullets do so more reliably.
@@pb7087 I don't necessarily disagree. However quantity has a whole quality in of itself. Volume of fire can benefit from $2 a round ammo but effect on target is pretty similar; which is to make people duck. $.32 a round does that just as well. Only sharp shooters do the one round one kill thing. Guys like me? Happy if i just make them hit the floor.
Volume of ammo is good. But a few reasons for sp ammo.
If you have to hunt with that rifle. Lot better chance of putting the game down quickly.
But also in a fight that sp is going to be more effective on the person.
I agree for true shtf ball would be fine but if this is a South Africa type situation where crime is out of control but you can still get arrested you need hollow point to protect yourself in the court of law
Comment to feed the Al-Gore-Rythm
Al gore. Yuck 😂
@@chato12377 He invented the Inner Webs you know
It worked. This video just popped up on my feed and I’ve never heard of this channel
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You mean he also invented the rhythm method? 😁
I already have to accept a harsh reality. My only option is to bug in because of health reasons so even bugging in isn't going to be easy but it drops to a 0% chance if I leave. I stock what I can and as much of it as I can just to survive whatever I can. I'm trying to develop some friendships with like minded people just to increase the probability of my families survival.
Smart, actually that's wisdom. Different thing entirely. Knowing your limitations makes other decisions a bit simpler.
You and I sound very similar friend. I have been totally and permanently disabled for 24 years now after being broken up on the job and my wife of 34 years is now disabled and suffering from dementia as well. Traveling or bugging out don't apply to us, isn't an option. Where we are now is where we are gonna stay, Lord willing. We own our home free and clear, 3 sons who are grown and two of them are Army combat commanders with many tours under their belts. We stay informed about the current scenarios that our country is facing and it's not looking good for America as far as fielding ground combat ready troops are concerned. The questions these folks are asking surprise me as to how much ammunition someone should have, it's obvious that everyone should have ALL that they can afford. Most don't think about springs, firing pins, gas rings, gas tubes, etc. Or how they're gonna tote all of this SHTF supplies 🤔 😳. I am thankful for our situation honestly. We have 3 government pensions so we don't have to worry about income unless the country falls but we are sufficiently fixed with food and meds, fuel stockpiled for at least 12 months, plenty of game available in our rural North Idaho area so things are fairly good relatively speaking. It is the majority of Americans that worry me, especially the young and elderly. Anyway I suppose this is enough rambling on from an old man. Good luck to you and yours and God bless
Noise will be the enemy. Having a suppressed barrel for your 10-22 (or whatever) will stack the deck in your favor. Marry that with some nice subsonic rounds and there’s an ace up your sleeve... (yes there’s the down-side, I know)
Save the loud guns for when nothing else will do. Seems to me a sound strategy...
Your strategy is too noisy :)
@@FranklinGray alright... knives then! Hehehe
Even at home on the farm with my team here, all my plate carriers and chest rigs hold 6 rifle magazines and 3 pistol magazines plus the IFAK, water, etc. Minimum two members on guard duty rotating 24/7. Other members will have their plate carrier or chest rig near where they are working (cutting wood, gardening, etc.). Keep Prepping my friends.
Fmj kills- as proven in all wars. With all the discussions about geltests and hollowpoints, stopping power etc. people seem to forget this or think a fmj will do nothing . I believe that fmj- besides being cheaper do have - in a shtf can have quite a few advantages... Penetrating obstacles for example.
Having hunting rounds for your game rifle is a must. 120 rounds sounds good. If you own 2 dozen guns you do not need 1000 rounds for each.
How much ammo do you need realistically? How many rounds does an average cop in the US - while working in a high risk area - shoot in a year? Do you think your risk is higher than theirs? Or do you expect to go full military combat against the " golden horde" ? I live in the EU in Germany ,it is a different situation here for sure.
Once you have a gun or two and a couple hundred rounds, having food is more important than more ammo..
Contrary to what many in the US think there are quite many guns around in Germany.But not far as many as in the US. I do own legally more than 10 handguns/ long guns.I hunt , shoot in a club, reload ammo. 85 million people total own around 6 million registered guns here and official guesses claim around at least the same to twice the amount of illegally owned guns . I always feel comfortable to have always around 300 rounds for my handguns and around 150 rounds for my long guns and 4 bricks of .22's. In real i store and have a little more. In general I believe that due to the fact that many US guys are used to go out plinking and burn a couple hundred rounds in one afternoon just for fun make them overestimate the ammount of ammo they should store for shtf.
You just dont do this in that case .
You do not waste your ammo in that situation. Better use a pellet gun for target practise.
But having is better than needing...
Nice to hear a real perspective, things ARE a bit distorted here. One thing is ammo availability and prices allow people to shoot in volume rather than putting one shot in the T-box.
A good click bait would be a title that says how to convince your wife to have 10000 rounds
I still don't have that figured out myself though I do have a good relationship with our florist
My wife was mad that I bought another gun....an AR-15 for her, but I sold my watch to pay for it and the ammo and a few other items. I took her to the range. She didn't want to go and was scared sh__less to shoot it. I told her to stand up, hold it like rambo and just pull the trigger a couple of times (at a free mountain range so no rules). She was like wow, that was cool. She then sat down at the bench table and started aiming at the target with a smile on her face. On the way home she told me to buy more ammo :) The trick is to get them into it.
I employ the leave house with empty case cone hone with full case lol
I've said this before, but I think a lot of advice is context specific.
When one discusses "SHTF" does one mean "3-10 days of living in hotels while fleeing a tornado or wild fire" or "10 years of war and mutant alien ninja bikers."
If I lived in Nebraska, had a rifle with say 5,000 rounds, and I actually owned a shotgun...then sure, 50 slugs sounds fine. But if I'm in SHTF and shooting birds, I'm using a 22 and shooting them on the ground or on the water.
If I lived in California and I only owned 1 gun, shotgun, then 500 slugs makes a lot more sense. Or if I lived in Alaska and wasn't running a 30 cal rifle.
And I don't see why a person would "need" a fighting rifle AND a fighting pistol AND a shotgun AND a bolt gun AND a .22...And...And...And ... I think it's an American thing and I really disagree with it.
I think people need a Primary + a clone Primary. Then a secondary.
People go 9 years and only shoot 40 rounds of hunting ammo because they only get 1 deer a year. Maybe 2. But SHTF means you will get 5+ deer a year if possible (for a family of 5). I am feeding my family primarily off stuff I hunt, livestock I farm, and livestock I buy from others (process myself). So I'm saying the numbers change dramatically as we transition from a "supplement/sport" to "primary source of food." And ammo consumption changes with it. I know Nebraska guys who have shot 40 rounds in 8-10 years. I get the mentality. And 2020 hit them hard because they suddenly didn't have ammo. Sucks to suck.
I'm a little wrapped around the axle on hunting. My real recommendation for people is "use your fighting rifle for hunting." And if a fighting rifle is too little for hunting deer, it's too little for fighting. My opinion.
Otherwise, I'm on board with the math of "2,000 rounds per gun you own." And I feel that stacks and sorts itself out better. 1000 duty, 1000 training. Per gun.
My opinion, based on my experience.
Who actually thinks that bird hunting is a good use of your time in SHTF? Risk vs. reward. Get tracked back home or to your family camp while you're out in the open trying to bag 1# of meat and 4# of feathers? Bad plan.
Everything else but pistol, a hole's a hole. They hurt. If you want an immediate fight ender, use an AR10. Otherwise shot placement matters more. Same with pistols. 9mm vs 45, why? Do the Rhodesian Drill and get your rifle back in the fight. Then run away and live longer.
@@feoxorus I agree with the point on hunting birds. Or ANY small game hunting. The energy spent vs what you get? The math just isn't there.
It sorta makes sense if you have a 10 year old who has nothing better to do with his time, you can send him off. Or you are waiting on crops to grow or unemployed and the rest of your living situation is squared away.
But there is so much shit that needs to be done on a daily basis for anyone actually living off the land. Small game "hunting" and "bird hunting" doesn't make sense to me.
Small game trapping makes some sense in a "energy spent vs rewards" calculation. The other situation where it makes sense is the "I have no food and need SOMETHING" situation.
I just look at 10,000 rounds of each caliber as a starting point then bump up stock on more used calibers
Agreed!
I know nothing, but continue prepping every month. I consider my sidearm (pistol) a concealable tool to get to a rifle. Be that a vehicle, a bag, or a location.
Self subsistence living is important to work towards. The more people that know the larger a target you could be if "apocalypse" style life comes.
Keeping your "group" close with communications (meshtastic, HAMM, etc.) and on the same page.
I love you all, you are my Brothers. Thank you!
- Godspeed
A "load out" I'm rocking a mk12 with 77 grain 5.56 and 7 20 round mags. Side arm with 5 mags. Travel light so you can bring stuff back. Hit and run, stealth is going to be your friend. But ammo, guns, and magazines will be worth a lot in a SHTF scenario. Food and clean drinking water is also a HUGE thing. Again....a stealth style is your best friend. Bunker...rural area to get to will be safest.
You are on the right track. Low profile with the guns. In Hurricane Katrina a guy was on an overpass with his rifle slung on his back and he was shot without cause by police because he was armed.
@@chrisbrown2627 what on earth did police rationalize to do that? They didn't even talk to the guy or are our rights suspended during a natural disaster? Do you know if he lived and was able to sue? That's crazy.
@@beesknees6970 I think he was killed. The Police involved were prosecuted though.
Your bugging in ammo recommendations are very good, but are optimistic for most of us. As for bugging out, the probability is that you will be on foot, and your recommended ammo load out would be way too heavy for the average person to carry along with other essentials. That said, at my age, bugging out is only happening if it can be done by vehicle, and early enough to be practical, say in case of a hurricane.
Yep. I’m not bugging out if I can’t take my rv
If i cant take my rv, tow my lambo and my classic wooden chris craft well, I'm just staying home. So there.
I sold a couple of my guns to buy more 556 recently, figured it’s time to consolidate.
^ this is the way. Sell guns, buy ammo.
@@woodsghost9088 sadly had to let go of my lever action 308 but I’ve still got my model 6 pump 30-06
Recently found your channel, very impressive!
Thanks and keep up the good work.
Good video to get thinking about the "why?" behind the "what?". Really appreciate these talks on ammo. Helps focus on the quality stuff.
22lr 36 grain weighs about 7.5 lbs per 1000
22 WMR 40 grain weighs about 9 lbs per 1000
9mm 115 grain weighs about 26 lbs per 1000
45acp 230 grain weighs about 47 lbs per 1000
5.56 NATO 63 grain weighs about 27 lbs per 1000
7.62x39 122 grain weighs about 36 lbs per 1000
308 Win 150 grain weighs about 52 lbs per 1000
12 Gauge 1 oz of 00 Buck weighs about 102 lbs per 1000
“Do you keep a 1000 rounds of full metal jacket, or do you keep 1000 rounds of duty ammo?” Yes.
Remember, when Shit hits the fan, there is no time to load magazines
There will likely be plenty of time to load magazines. You'll be sitting around bored for most of the time probably
Videos of Ukrainians charging mags in trenches under fire beg to differ
Sure there is 😂😂
If there is a home invasion, no there wouldn't be time to load mags. That would be a SHTF on an individual level.
@@Bigmyoun1 🙄🙄🙄DUH!!
4K rounds for primary and 2K for secondary. If you have a 308 then 200 to 500 rounds for that.
... maybe just a few more for the 308 as it has multiple, proven uses.
I want like 3k for my 308 but thats like a zillion dollars and my ar10 is a finicky proprietary pos..prolly wouldn't go 3k before the bolt or something breaks lol
@@garrettpittman7374 My SKS is a .308-ish, eats anything, accurate enough. And it weighs about the same as a high-dollar kitted-out AR10 but I don't panic if she gets a boo-boo.
@@feoxorus7.62x39 is no where close to "308ish"
the correct answer is "because of the obvious war of attrition on your rights stock as much as you can afford consistently because it has been increasingly harder to get and will soon be impossible to get". Potentially overnight. Other than food and medical gear, antibiotics etc, there is very little else you should be investing in now.
What ammo you stock pile make sure you know how that ammo behaves. You don't know how many people I know who keep a couple of mags of premium ammo and like a dozen of other types. I would just stick with one or two types and know your holds on those.
Pistol: JHP for close quarters around people. 124 NATO for everything else
Rifle: 50 grain 556 Vmax for soft targets. M855 for everything else.
First time viewer, but a very happy subscriber. Thank you for sharing your take on things. Found myself agreeing with you on most things. Looking forward to ✔️ out some of your other videos. Take care and Godspeed.
I always hear people say I don't need more ammo than I can carry. Or "you can't carry all that". Yeah no crap. I don't stockpile to take it with me. Nobody does. You stockpile for two main reasons. One is inflation. Buy as much as you can when you can because it ain't getting cheaper. That is assuming that you actually shoot on a regular basis. The other is in case ammo is hard or find or supplies dry up. During the cough when ammo was scarce and what could be found was a buck a round, I was at the range shooting.
People need to quit complaining about the people that have thousands of rounds and just focus on their own preps.
Problem is most dudes I know that stockpile that way just hoard for no reason. They don't train with it or the guns. They have no fitness, no infrastructure, no shtf detailed plans, no offgrid type skills, no water/food/shelter plans. They don't even have plans for relocating it when necessary or the tools to do so and protect it. They just "panic buy" it as a commodity thinking they can use it to trade for that stuff when it all goes south. That's where half the scarcity inflation comes from. But without all the other aspects/skills necessary, the ammo will do nothing but collect dust and every panic buy you add to it drives up cost and scarcity for everyone else without any reason except to satisfy your idiotic resolution that somehow "more ammo equals more survival and safety". There's a diminishing return based on your personal self. You got a compound ready for friends and family? Great! Stockpile them pallets! Is it in your garage in the suburbs? You got bigger concerns if shtf.
Thanks unk for the good word keep preaching i love it brother .
How functional will you be with a 200lbs pack? Winter is coming. Choose wise 2nd wepen system or snow gear?
"I have a problem...Freedom!" That the entire world should be burdened with our problems!
What about stocking 124gr winchester white box JHP for defensive 9x19 because of cost effectiveness but still being better then FMJ?
For bugging in sky's the limit (cause you arent humping it). If you are bugging out you can pack some extra ammo cans into a vehicle. On foot....Yeah you better be in good shape if you're planning on carrying 500 rounds of 5.56 or more plus everything you'd need (hell, you're gonna need to be in good shape regardless). At the end of the day who tf knows. 3 rifle mags may see you through whatever pops off or 50 mags plus might be woefully insufficient. Hell, all your preps could go up in flames. Develop skills and your physical fitness. Guns and gear can only do so much to fill gaps in those areas.
I had this same thought on my shtf ammo needs 🇺🇸 💪🏽
love your videos! Your presentation and thought put into them are awesome. Been watching for a long time and never commented. THANKS! I am by no means and expert that is why I learn so again thanks!
For my shotgun I (having little real knowledge) have decided on #6 Steel and #4 buck for the shotgun with some 00 buck. #6 allows for game such as turkey and geese and #4 buck can take a deer. As for total amount not sure yet currently planning on about 500 of each. For the .22 consider magnum rounds, I made the switch simply because I can actually larger harvest game with it if needed. As a child I used .22 long rifle to take deer in Alaska vrs a predator well we will see. .22 mag I have around 5K last I checked. 556 well that is a work in progress simply because i have always thought that if I need it it will be "laying around". my bolt gun is a mouser 30.06 because its reliable accurate and dependable. Plus that round will take anything up to 4 legs in north America.
Mags, I have a minimum of 10 per system.
I often criticize dudes that have 10 pallets of ammo they don't use because it's for "emergencies" and no crane, forklift, or bug-out truck capable of transporting them all. And they spend their time training for golf instead of anything that would be helpful in those "emergencies". They don't even have short, mid, and long term plans for sustainable subsistence. What the heck are they thinking?
One thing I’ve never figured out or hear anyone else comment on is the hot dog / hot dog bun theory. If your magazine holds 30 rounds and your ammo comes in 20 round boxes, you SHOULD be calculating magazines in 60 round increments or 3’s. Otherwise, what are you doing with the other rounds in their boxes/cases? This may not apply to bulk but certainly premium.
When I buy boxed 556 it’s either in 3 or 6 box minimums. When ammo restrictions were in place and you could only get 5 boxes at a time, I’d either talk them up to the 6th box or walk with 3 and it would always surprise the retailer. And if they wouldn’t sell the 6th box then I’d buy 3. Leave and come back later for the second 3 box lot.
Just me being crazy? Or does anyone else think like this?
This topic has been beat to death...
Yep SMDH
Don’t watch it 😂
Great vid sam. Very well thought out.
Hey uncle freedom, id like to hear your take on imi systems 77gr "razor core" (hpbt smk) Would that be a good or okay selection for SHTF ?
Are you taking a full size duty pistol or something concealable?
There are so many scenarios to plan for that you have to Creat flow charts for as many you can. Civil unrest, emp, invasion, A.I./tech, chemical, pandemic etc and what to do in each scenario. Bug in, bug out, how you are traveling i.e. vehicle, horse, foot. How long will you be traveling to said location? What is at that location? Are you in a group or you + immediate family. Have you trained with said group and made plans for these scenarios? Are you willing to do direct action or what I suggest is avoidance of enemy combatants specially uniformed soldiers. Then organizing your supplies for the situation starting with bugging in then walking and being able to plus up for better capabilities.
Supplies should include food, water + water purification, clothing, fire starting equipment, cooking equipment, medication, kit, ammo, first aid (long term), shelter supplies, fishing and trapping supplies, compass + maps (road and topographic), comms, new broken in boots, etc.
2 things i want to point out here.
1. M193 or m855 are both very capable 556 rounds for defense, assuming you keep them in their desired velocities ~2700+ due to fragmentation. There are different ways to measure lethality when it comes to bullets. The 5.7x28 for example tumbles at higher velocities.
2. Ar15 22lr conversion does not seem anymore valuable than a dedicated 22 match pistol like a ruger mkiv. The conversion mags are very bulky and take up a lot more space. A target 22 pistol would be a good idea. You dont necessarily need a rifle to hunt small game. 1200rds on foot and 3-4 guns seems like way too much as well. Im thinking 1 rifle and 1 pistol (maybe a second 22 pistol) and thats it. Cut that ammo to about half as well. You are likely not going to be in a fighting scenario at all.
I’ve been reloading for a few years now. I’m wondering about sealing primers and projectiles for long term storage …? Is that something you do? Or even think is necessary?
How long do you expect to not need to use them? Primers, I mean, bullets don't care as long as they don't get corroded. My 100-packs of primers all came sealed in cellophane years ago and work fine. Powder will last decades if stored at reasonable temperatures, I have 50-year old (ish) cans of IMR4064. No rust on the outside so I feel confident that the inside is fine too.
I keep enough bricks of primers to reload every case one more time in SHTF, that's it. Same for bullets. I was too lazy to calculate how much powder to stock so I just bought "a lot". ;)
@@feoxorus I should have worded it differently.. I meant using sealer on the cartridges after I reload. I do keep all of my components in air tight containers as much as possible. lol I did get a bunch of powder last yr.
500 9mm (fmj)
14 mags of 5.56 (all defensive ammo)
250 12 gauge shells( assorted between #6,#4,#2,00,slugs)
3,000 .22lr (stingers, CCI subsonic segmented hollowpoint, federal punch)
300blk ( 150 subX, 150 Vmax)
150 .308 ( 30 180 grain core lokt , 120 150 grain )
That's a good start!
@@BruceHanson-df2sw No, that's all I think I'll need. Money is better spent in other places that are more realistic than Rambo gunfights. Coming from an ex Calvary scout. A bow and a slingshot can go a long way in food procurement and defense
@@trentonfiffia8063yep during the cought what i shot most was a break action air gun followed by my bow. That break action is now going to be my primary small game hunter
@@Brennan_the_smith During my youth, I killed dozens of squirel and game birds a week with a break action pellet rifle. These days, I bow hunt hogs in Florida and fish the rivers and the coast. In my area, I can be at the ocean within an hour bike ride and still sit in a tree stand and get at least one hog per week. Single bevel broadhead can be resharpened, and its simple design makes it less likely to fail.
Fmj is all u need. People think you need hollow points. Gotta cover all bases. It could be a gunfight or anything you have to shoot through a barrier. Hollows won't do that. I rather have fmj
all well made hollowpoint defeat barriers
@@unclefreedom213all fmj will still drop somebody.
I partly agree. I think there is a great benefit to having various types of quality ammunition to fulfill specific tasks. That being said, I would stockpile a shit ton of quality fmj ammo first, then once you reach your inventory goals, start to buy different types of loads for your primary rifle. For a handgun though , I would get a few boxes of good hollow point defense ammo right away while simultaneously stocking fmj. Once that fmj is stocked up, branch out to other task specific loads.
I'd argue a little more m193 instead of more vmax or whatever bc it's easier to procure more ball ammo than super specific stuff. I do say carry a specialty mag of something like cx or m855a1 or whatever for wildly enhanced performance in a fighting load
You must have lot's of money for all those top of the line ammo.
Hold up, I need a bit of time before we do the gunfight, I need to decide which ammo to use.
Truly, this man was never in a combat situation.
A standard combat loadout is 7 mags for primary weapon plus 3 mags pistol. My primary loadout was 3 pistol mags and 9 rifle mags.
On bug out its whatever the hell I have on me. You have to be flexible and move quickly. Movement is life, you can always come back around and counter ambush.
I just got 250 62gr tbbc, I really like how the back half is a copper slug with a lead tip so it penetrates good. I’ve got the hornady TAP T1 for my long range loading, couldn’t find any T2. Also have a couple k of PPU m193 to back it up
I built my a 12.5 ar specifically incase I need to go on a long trek with it 7.8lbs with a 30rnd 75gr mag and 5x PA macro prism. 8.5 lbs with a Magpul bipod
We all should get friendly with our neighbors,buy the same weapons and ammo,have a contingency plan to leave,stock up on food,essentials,generators,solar power,propane,charcoal,firewood,knives,machetes,axes,tarps,water,batteries,light bulbs 💡,and many other things I didn’t mention. Staying in one spot while there is mass chaos may not be ideal but trying to fight your way through it sounds worse.
Did that guy just ask a guy sitting in front of a reloading bench if he has considered reloading his ammo?....and then call him a dipshit?...
It's hard to have too much ammo
indeed he did lol
The right 12 gauge is effective with either slugs or double 00 buck up yo 125 yards withe the right ammo.😮
I stopped stashing 5.56 after 2,500 rnds. I have 2 different rifles. It just became extremely heavy when combined with the 9mm and 12 gauage i also have stashed. My train of thought was if we had to up and run i wouldn't be able to haul all that ammunition.
Good stuff. I break my serious caliber ammo stockpile into two categories, training and fighting. Then I set a threshold for each that I don’t go below. As time/finances allow I’ll up that threshold.
You're that guy. After two hours of talking and me replying "yep", "uh huh", "absolutely", "sure, sure"...finally I get a word in." I have 10k of each i'll figure it out " but cheers man I love gun talk and you seem like a cool cat.
Some think of stockpiling ammo like they are going to the range like everything is normal for years after SHTF happens, and I'm betting most will not live long enough to unload their first magazine!
My G17 clone is in a water tight green box I got at a gun store with 10 magazines and an extra box of 50 rounds as that's all that will fit!
But the "truck gun" is a PMR-30 with 4 magazines and an additional 500 rounds!
I just got a lot of l.e hornady tap 9mm ammo but they like xtp rounds are they good for duty use?
The XTP is a solid but old round design. As long as you're aware of it's limitations ( poor performance on metal, and glass barriers) and use the round in the area its meant to run
@@unclefreedom213 thank you sir I’ll probably use them for carry until I find a good deal on better duty ammo
My approach is to have a target in mind as to how many rounds per caliber, reload or purchase to hit that target, and then shoot-one-reload-one so I'm always at net-zero ammo usage. Now, my targets are relatively high (10K rounds of .22 LR, 5K rounds of 9mm and 556, 1-2K rounds of everything else). The logic being 9mm and .556 are the most logical go-to's in SHTF due to commonness, .22LR is the most logical barter round (after everything cools down and it's safe enough to barter ammo) and everything else is a luxury.
But bear in mind I'm speaking from the privilege of having inherited my father's vast stockpile of ammo (and reloading supplies). BEFORE that, my targets were a lot more modest (basically 500 rounds of 9mm, 1K rounds of .22LR because those were the only calibers I owned).
1,200 rounds and four firearms, how nuch weight is that adding to your back?
Spread out between a chest rig belt and pack and considering 100s of those rounds are 22lr this isn't that bad
You need 5 complete sets of springs and 2 sets of pins including firing pins and channel liners. Dry fire can be hard. Stock up on mag springs and a few followers.
I don't think the scenario even matters after SHTF you're not gonna need to practice you're gonna get plenty of real life experience As a matter of fact you'll probably start getting blood sick before you run out of ammo, The standard loadout for any operation is 250 280 rounds and that would be battle rifle rounds, That may have changed since I've gotten out which was in ninety-four But carrying more emblem than that into an op starts to stack on a lot of weight and could be counterproductive
Love this guy
Load mags -1 round under capacity. Saw a study on failures years ago, common cause was failure to feed from full mag.
BTW, right on with the G45!
Yeah all my rifles are loaded to 28 but handguns I run full
77gr otm is the way to go for combat loadout on an ar15 imo. If you’re bugging out I’m leaving 90% of my crap at home, snagging my Glock with 10mags, 7 ar15 mags with the OTM and a broken down sbr in my pack. The rest is food water shelter. That’s going to be a 30lb ruck easy. Most ppl can’t even carry that weight a couple miles
More harsh reality to this is everything you leave behind is just arming the enemy if your house gets overtaken after you need to bug out.
If you have too bug out we don’t stand a chance. Remember Agent Orange? And napalm? IF it’s the Military.
I assure you, in shtf/wrol, FMJ will get the job done just fine. If FMJ didn’t work for taking down bad guys then the military wouldn’t use them.
So I buy 100 bucks of ammo a week. 1 box of defensive to 5 boxes of training is the ratio I purchase. Been doing it for 2 years now. Find out how much you make and look around for deals. However, glad these comments mention fitness. That is the most important. Grab a back pack, fill it with 20lbs of rocks and go about your day. If that is an issue, you probably need to work out some more.
Hope this guy doesnt try to cross any deep water while he carrys all his ammo.
rucks float
For my primary rifle and pistol I try and have a minimum of 5k for each (5k m855 and 5k of a mixed defense and ball 9mm) for all of my other pews a minimum of 1k except 12ga I stay around 250 of buckshot and slug. Also I don’t keep everything in one location I have caches all around the woods around my property and at a secondary location
You’ll be out in your yard with cousin Clark trying to find em when SHTF.
@@Heywoodthepeckerwood I know exactly where every single one of them are
Folks need to stockpile EVERYTHING THAT YOU POSSIBLY CAN. Look at it as though your going on an extended camping trip, because you are if your around any metropolitan area. Young folks with babies had better stock up on childrens ibuprofen, cloth diapers, formula and baby food just to name a few items. A vehicle capable of towing a trailer to carry your belongings is a must have with various backup parts and supplies. It's an exhaustive list but, ?
G19 with a PCC that uses the same magazines,
6.5 Grendel, 12 gauge.
Ammo could become a form of currency if your neighbor runs out and you like him.
Always enjoy! I think I need to run to ammo store again……
Every time I went to a store that sold it, I got some 22LR, and if cash was tight, I'd get a $3 box of 50, but often got 550 round box for $30 bucks, and after no time at all I had over 8000 rounds of just about everything!
Never enough ammo 😊
Have you had any issues with the CMMG 22lr conversion kit?
It’s not bad but it will jam more thrn just a 22 made for that round
I got a great deal on some Winchester 64gr silver tip a few months ago. Sg ammo was running a deal. If you look around enough you can good deals
My logical take on this, and no specific numbers, but hold enough to do your regular range time in normal times for a few months because of supply and demand and you can barter with it during shtf.
All resup is Q3131 10.000rnds purchased in 2015. Temp regulated, should go 40 years
1000 rounds is my bar. 15 mags for the BR loaded and 2!to 4 mags for the sidearm and I only have 4 calibers 45. 9mm 5.56 and my 50 which is my fun gun and the 12 gauge Mka 1919 feel like those all all common enough there will be plenty to scavenge if required minus the 50 but I would leave it behind if I have to bug out and I have to make a choice. Plus all replacement parts to service and maintenance them.
The shotgun for the power it has is a really inexpensive round to shoot if you take the cheap #7.5 to #9 shot, 2-3/4" field loads, make slugs out of the shot and just stuff the slugs back in the hulls, and you can get 100 round bricks for $25 at Walmart!
I did get enough supplies to reload over 1000 rounds of 12 Gauge and have already cast 500 7/8 oz slugs!
When Covid hit and ammo was hard to find and harder to afford, I invested in reloading gear, and I mean everything, multiple presses, dies, bullet molds, powder, primers, bare brass, projectiles, primer pocket swedgers, (SP?), and everything I might need to keep guns running!
Swager
Handgun, precision bolt gun, AR ,1000 rnds + ammo..on foot? Easily 50-60 lbs with no water , no food, no shelter, no way.
Hand gun + 4 mags 70 rds
AR + 14 mags and a few boxes specialty rds . Room for Xtra kit and still be under 50- 60 lbs if walking.
Great video and ps I’m there on my ammo by your guideline and my home as far out as I live in the woods couple that with my age i live in my bug out place
Everyone is different but if you have ever actually fought you know that you fight and die with what is on your back, your pistol is to fight your way to your rifle and 7 mags is standard for peace time nobody goes to war with 7 mags I’m taking 40 with as much packing ammo as I can carry
I’d love to stock pile Vmax or some kind of 75, 77 grain for my AR but it’s just not practical for me given the cost per round yet alone getting more sighting in my rifle for something I probably wouldn’t get more of just isn’t practical for me or many people. long range I have a 30-06 and 7mm rem probably take the 30-06 way more common in my AO. great video tho as always
My goal was always to keep 1000 rounds per firearm. Above that is range ammo. I reload and have a mix or reload and factory ammo. Given that I have a crippled wife…..Bugg out can only be done in a vehicle pulling a utility trailer. I’ve carried a full load out and kit on ruck marches and missions in the service. I’m not doing that anymore. Too old to run away. Too ornery to lay down. I’ll wait in my home and you can bring the fight to me.
This is why I'm SO VERY HEAVILY invested in blems, pulls and other surprlus pills from American Reloading. 15K bullets bought in just the past two years... I'd call pretty decent. People complain about m855 having garbage terminal performance but it is still decently barrier blind for the cost. Half of my surplus reloading pills are these 'green tips' and it doesn't bother me one bit. They WILL get the job done if/when necessary and I've been able to ensure that fact rather cheaply and in BULK! Quantity has a quality all its own. Stalin was out of his mind but in this case, his quote was spot on!
oh 855 is all kinds of barrier blind it's just a badly designed round in an AR goodnin a saw though. I buy pulls all the time just got 1000 64gr Solid Base bondedbsoft points
@@unclefreedom213 I've been seeing pulled 77gr SMK w/ cannelures more often these days. Am. Rel has been out but Powder Valley and MidsouthShooterSupply had a rather nice stock of both the Nosler and Sierra versions last week. 500ct bags for DIRT CHEAP around $80. Yeah, I've augmented my M855 stocks with my own cloned MK 262 mod 1 loads and found a ton of trophy bonded bear claw pulls that will mimic Mk 318 mod 0 quite well too! Leihigh Controlled Chaos and Barnes TSX copper slugs will roll up some FABULOUS mod 1 rounds! Even was able to snag 1000 more M855a1 pulls. Talk about STUPID expensive... My GOD! The proper powder for those rounds is more difficult to find than the bullets are. I've got enough to reload 2K rounds of them though.
Beans bandaids bullets. That is the order since the days of Sung Soo to now.
How do you save/ store water?
Rain barrels that are treated, well with solar pump and i store bottled water as well as 5 gallon cubes
The amount of ammo you stockpile depends upon your situation. If I live in an urbanized area, I wouldn't stock 10,000 rounds of anything. I would stock about 300 rounds for my main rifle and 3 mags for my pistol. Water will be just as valuable as ammo. On the contrary, where I live is my bugout location. I have 3,500 for main rifles. 1,000 handgun. 500 slugs, 500 00 buck, and 1000 various types of shot. I have 10,000 rds of .22 LR. I know this isn't an option for many. On the downside, I can't carry all that shit. Im in my position of last stand. This is my alamo. If i had to be foot -mobile i would carry a tweaked standard loadout.
Practice yesterday. Not at the time of crisis. I debated this with others. They blast through tons of ammo, joy shooting. (Are they actually practicing marksmanship and maneuver at under different battle positions; No!). Then the time comes. They say, I will go to the guns hidden in a “undisclosed and dig them up”! Great answer. Most never are blowhards that do not know which end of a shovel to hold or the part which works the dirt. Yes, constant familiarity with one’s weapons. Dry fire. Bi annual qualification. Until SHTF.