Temperatures After Refilling a Liquid Cooler
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- Опубліковано 22 гру 2017
- We refilled the Enermax Liqtech TR4 CLC ("AIO") cooler for Threadripper, and now we're testing to see how the performance is.
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kelvinfried chicken wouldn't be a very good cooler if it starts degrading from liquid loss after 5 months
kelvinfried chicken that's a custom loop. AIO use tubes with very low permeability. Also if more air is in the loop than it started with it had to get there somehow. That would mean liquid loss for there to be room for more air.
kelvinfried chicken I'm not sure but one would think a reasonable lifespan to be 2-3yrs for an AIO.
5 years is correct.
There are coolant additives such as Royal Purple's Purple Ice or Red Line's Water Wetter or Lucas' Super Coolant. These are supposed to increase the heat conductivity of the coolant by lowering the surface tension of the coolant. Purple Ice claims to lower operating temps by up to 25 degrees F. Granted, that is in an extreme case, but you see my point that adding some of this coolant additive could help lower temps further. These temps are by no means cpu killers but it's always an option lower them a few degrees while you're in there.
merry xmas steve/GN, thanks for all the great videos
Fun fact ethylene-glycol is less efficient as a coolant then just distilled water. I don't know the difference but it's enough to make a difference. The reason they use E-G is because it wont freeze till about 72f below 0. It also acts as a lubricant and corrosion inhibitor.
As an old drag racer we were asked to not use e-g coolant on 12 second and faster cars, so what we did was use water and a product called redline water wetter. There are different companies making similar products. It'll obviously freeze and need a lubricant and a method of corrosion resistance which is what the water wetter was for and in the off season we would swap back to e-g for freeze protection.
I've often wondered if water wetter would make a viable biocide/corrosion inhibitor for this kinda stuff since you shouldn't have to wonder if the loop will freeze.
I'm guessing your more water coolant cools a little better then the factory mix because of the less e-g in the system.
Water-wetter was often used for computer L/Q setups back 10 years ago.
Scootermagoo Water Wetter is great stuff.I used it in my daily driver in the summer months and it worked great .No issues at all and more stable temps.
You can also use propylene glycol as a less toxic alternative to ethylene glycol.
Wait you guys don't have freezing units?
@@stupidburp what would be if I mix propylene gylcol + ethylene glycol + d.water?
Thanks & Happy holidays Steve & GN crew!
Very Merry Xmas Steve! And everyone on this channel!
Was looking forward to this!
Yes, I've been waiting for this! :D
Love this. I had a CoolerMaster S1 Aquagate which actually had a fill port (though a pain to fill), and it's still running today, 10 years after I bought it and installed it.
unbeliavable!! i just check youtube and get shocked. CM had aio watercooling technology 10 years ago. wow
For long term use fluid that is designed for mixed metals, just about every AIO uses a copper cold plate and aluminum radiator, i have used DP Ultra for a number of years when modding these or just refilling them with 0 corrosion and good as new temps.
I'm thinking about replacing the fluid in my liqtech ii because I'm worried about corrosion issues. Thanks for the suggestion I'm a look it up
Cool really cleared up some questions
I refilled my with EK Cryofuel and Distilled water. Has been running strong for months now.
"We were going for, not worse" - Gamers Nexus, 2017
Great video
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Let's refill with Anti-Freeze
In Kraken X62
Fezbeed Antifreeze. How romantic!
*drinks antifreeze*
ha!! even 7 months later I still want tot try it.
What program do you use for your graphics or presentation? Is It after effects?
6:30 what about a big bit of blu-tac (dunno if you call it that in us, its like a reusable putty) around the fill port to hold the rubber hose in?
I know this an old video, but would buying this enermax threadripper cooler and immediately to a coolant swap be a wise purchase?
How bad this specific refilled cooler now, with keeping in mind many issues with Enermax coolers, like clogging, rusting and leaking into pump. Did refilled coolant made all issues resolved? I have Enermax cooler and i am thinking to refill it.
Please do a test comparing propylene glycol vs ethylene glycol (automotive anti-freeze), etheylene glycol generally provides better heat transfer, but it has a lower specific heat and requires a greater volume of fluid to be circulated.
glycol is only there to stop the water from freezing. the more glycol you put in the worse the cooling properties are.
Wondering if you will test the ek-mLc Phoenix 280mm AIO. have one for my 8700k. I think it is great but I don’t know how it ranks against the rest
Hope you review the new Corsair 360mm H150i Pro at some point. Really intrested in it's performance.
Heard testing methodology = instalike. Keep up the great work
what would be if I mix propylene gylcol + ethylene glycol + d.water?
Hi Steve . Is it a good idea for units not easy to service to just cut the hose and add a reservoir , when the waterlevel starts running low after 5 years or so ? I'm thinking of getting a Kraken x62 but the thought of having to get a new one after a couple of years worries me a bit , since even the best aircoolers like the Noctua or Coolermaster ones are a lot cheaper and last way longer . Even if an aircooler's fan would die , replacing it would still be cheap compared to replacing an entire aio .
Thanx
I've had the same H100 for over 7 years. Only within the last 2 months have I noticed a spike in idle temps around 60c which isnt even tragic. Idk if you want to Frankenstein CLCs like how you mentioned. I think the risk of leaking outweighs the benefits.
With actual refillable AIO like Silent Loop 2, this kind of study is actually becoming more relevant right now.
Thermal Grizzly? Is that anything like Tunnel Bear?
that reminds me, of tunnel bear
Damn, I always fall for it. A nice idea, i start to listen the video carefully then suddenly 'before that this video...'
I refilled mine Kaken X60 this summer and it was pain in the a**. Under the plastic cap there is a ~3mm screw, so you need a syringe with a needle to fill. But it still clogs when filling because of water surface tension. You fill in few grams of water, close hole with finger, run pump, and rinse and repeat that process a lot. In case of why I did refill - pumps impeller axis got dirty and jammed impeller, causing cpu to overheat and shutdown system. Used distilled water to refill.
You used only distilled water? No biocides? Because if so... Then I'm afraid it won't last long and you'll have to buy a new AiO in a few months.
Half a year has passed already. PC running 24/7. If distilled water stays in bottles on the shelf for years and nothing happens to them, how different situation is in AIO?
Mine is also refilled with distilled water (on a unit from before Dell made Alienware, got the AIO super cheap). You should dump it out every half to full year and it will last longer (it will get gunk, the thing you did not take into account sitting in a bottle is, that bottle is plastic, it doesn't have mixed metals and galvanic corrosion).
Interesting note on water stored in bottles: My grandparents stored tap water in bottles for years, and once its 5 years old and you don't notice the 2010 date in sharpie and drink it, its still clear, but tastes old and stale. They will grow algae if they are exposed to sunlight though, but this one was stored away from light so it gave no warning.
Hi Steve ! I'm wondering why you dont pronounce the /ŋ/ sound at the end of words like; long, strong, thing, giving? And how do you pronounce words like; angle, hanger, tongue? Merry Christmas !
ILZT Because he doesn't like the letter N?
I don't think it's a conscious decision.
I've heard that it can actually be hard for native speakers of English to make the NG /ŋ/ sound. So I was curious as to "why", in Steve's case, he doesnt pronounce them and how it affects words with a /ŋ/ sound in the middle. Curious because I'm interested in foreign laguages, especially English(I'm Swedish). I think you're right that it's not a conscious decision but only Steve can answer this :) I'm genuinly interested.
Please do refill tests on all your older AIO coolers, for comparison and testing of possible performance uplifts.
it works
life hack: Fill your AIO with menta ice cream.
perhaps you do some temp test with non conductive liquid as a water replacement.
@Gamers Nexus Steve, id be interested in seeing a video where you attempted to create a mounting plate for the TR4 AIO's onto smaller CPU's and see if its possible, and if it performs better, the same or worse than AIO's made for the smaller CPU's. My reasoning for this idea is that the TR4 blocks are the largest ones sold, and IHS sizes fluctuate for different CPU's, especially over 'tocks' and buying a TR4 AIO and creating your own mounting could allow you to reuse the AIO for years to come over numerous different CPU's.
The thing is, it's not the IHS size that matters its whether the micro-fins on the cold plate cover the entire die area (e.g. completely cover all four dies of a TR), and single die CPUs only tend to be of a certain size because of how silicon is cut.
For example, the EK TR4 block covers the entire IHS but its micro-fins only cover half of the die area so it doesn't perform as well as the XSPC TR4 block.
Not to mention that with the size of the TR block you'd be running into interference with the VRMs, and the memory.
I meant EL XLC Predator 240 1.1 & EK XLC Predator 360 1.1 ?
I just refilled my Antec with car antifreeze antiboil works like a, charm 👍🇦🇺
Minelab pilbara Gold Prospecting TM how long did you use it by now?
@@arnulfdesiderio9800 8 years all up and it's still going
you can get a Glycol Refractometer to find out the percentage of the original liquid
and yeah it may not tell you if its Propylene and Ethylene but hey that would come down to research and experience :D
if you just add tapwater, but dont drain the original liquid, would that be bad?
cool video
Did you fried your Titan V mod card?
I wanted to use the pump/block part of an AIO and hook it up to an 80mm radiator with a Swiftech Micro reservoir for a SFF build that I have planned. Should work.
PimptatoPCs I've done it with a 280mm rad and a swiftech micro res.
Nice, did you have any unforeseen issues? Why did you use a micro res with such a large rad? Just curious.
PimptatoPCs no issues just ordering the correct 5/16 g1/4 fittings for my AIO and rad. I used the res because it was the cheapest I could find at Micro Center. That was before I knew of cheap ebay stuff.
I am also interested in connecting a aio block to a custom loop because the nzxt block looks really beautiful but I am not satisfied with the performance
Right on, I can't wait to try it out. There's a used $40 120mm AIO on Craigslist that I should pickup before it's gone.
You said"bike" and i got excited. Thought you were a tech nerd and motorcycle rider like me!
mountain bike
MTB Scotland Yes. I know. That's why I said "thought".
Last week my 5 yr old Kuhler 620 started making gurgling noises and the temps would periodically spike to 70+C (i5-2500). I suspect permeation. Luckily i have a spare CM Hyper TX3 which while noisier will not suffer from permeation! On the cheaper AIO's like my 620 its probably not worth refilling.
I used dustilled water....filled it till it bleeded out from other end of loop....temps were terrible...75-86c at idle. He said we did test.... but i am not sure....coz it was able to maintain temp of around 25-30 earlier with coolant ...
I am guessing that most of the Corsair ones aren't serviceable at all? I have a nearly 7 year old H100(non-I) that I would like to clean out and replace the fluid.
sm00419 you can, the older astek and coolit ones hace a small screw under the top cover for filling, easier though to just take off the cold plate
I have the same unit and I'm curious about servicing it as well. Any luck on your end?
When you have the same measuring cup as PC Jesus
Hey Steve. I just turned on my PC today and the temps climbed to 80+c by the time I booted into windows (5930k with a H115i), same thing happens in BIOS so it's not a windows process. I have a feeling that the pump has died since it no longer clicks. I've tried reseating the cooler and checking all connections, and thermal paste application was excellent both times. Any ideas? Only bought the cooler in Feb so I guess an RMA is a valid option.
#BackToMyDarkRock3
Check Corsair link for the pump rpm.
I've been told the newest gen Asetek pumps have some QC issues. Too many pumps that break too soon. I don't know how much truth there is to that, but it's possible your pump died.
And yeah, RMA is definitely the way to go.
Unilythe yea she ded. No vibration from the block and pump speed reporting is gone
also soak the cooper plate in Coke overnight to clean then scrub with a fine tooth brush
If you replaced Glycol + water mixture with pure water or mixture wilth less glycol that probably is what given you a performance uplift.
Water has significantly greater heat capacity than pretty much anything so adding glycol to it makes it a little bit worse.
WarmSoftKitty how about bacteria, algae, mold buildup?
Keep making content! Stay outside of the box.
An important question that should be asked or answered, before some one tends to refill a Water Cooler without actual Water Reservoir/Tank. Is there actually a small pocket of air inside it, or is it filled to the brim? Because, We all learned that in school.
High temperature has expanding effects. Air can be compressed, so no biggie. Water how ever, can not be compressed!
Long story short, if the user refiled the AIO to the max, without Air inside. Is there a chance for the AIO to burst? Cause temps?
I'm pretty sure the reason these AiO's use the tubing that they use is because these tubes can expand a little bit, which fights this problem.
We in the first world are deep into the disposable nightmare.
Nothing is meant to be maintained or repaired.
Just replace the thing with the latest greatest every four years.
Before considering one of these I highly recommend you watching my video on the huge problem with them ua-cam.com/video/g-YgNSclpC8/v-deo.html
I feel like overfilling the AIO would make it cool so much better.
Until the heated water expands, because their is no air pocket. And then burst either the tubing or the pump case.
Good dem cooling...
expansion of rubber hose (elasticity) >> thermal expansion of water from a 20c delta. I have mine filled to every last drop (took a good amount of time shaking, and adding with a syringe, but it works great. And actually mine has steel hoses, so they would expand less than rubber hoses. Worked just fine pulling over 300w on my FX-8350 (past 9590 speeds). If that won't heat it up, that only leaves the i9 series.
Get radiator coolant, Asian engine mix, about 1/3 coolant and 2/3 distilled water.
Now how do I refill and h60 lol I saw a video about some dude getting clear tubing and an actual reservoir of eBay
Alex Villalobos remove the cold plate, also the hoses are 1/4" size. One problem though with adding a res is the pump does not have enough power to draw the fluid, i did this with a h100i and ended up adding a cheap phobya helper pump running at 50% power to keep the pump block fed liquid.
Charles Pack I’ll just refill. I have an i5 4590 so temps are never bad but dam is there sound of an empty aio annoying it’s so loud as I could hear the water moving like if it was a waterfall or something lol
Alex Villalobos i did a thermaltake water 2.0 120 with clear tubes and refill, its basically the same unit as a h60 and worked well afterwards, just use a glycol based coolant like thermaltake or dp ultra so you dont get corrosion
What about adding a small/cheap res to the system, for easier re-filling and future cleaning, etc.?
Could you run this test on refilling a EK XLC Predator 010 1.1 & EK XLC Predator 360 1.1?
In 2023, this video did not age well with the Enermax slime issue
i fixed my loud pump with distilled water and sprayed some wd40 in the mix...
I refilled my AIO with battery water, runs fine...
submerse would be fast
When you are early and there is no comment to read ;-;
Fezbeed f.u
my question is can you use regular car antifreeze, as it has all the anti corrosion and biocides in it already.
The Divine Hammer's Woodworks not really, your temps would be slightly worse and the platic and hoses could react badly with it.
could the correct ratio of the 2 liquids be about the same as the 50/50 automotive coolants. I think it is a 50/50 gallon bottle???
You can just refill with automotive antifreeze unless they use some weird plastic (I use 100% antifreeze in a water cooled tablet I made. I didn't dilute it because I use a rusty steel pipe radiator mixed with copper block in my nuclear reactor Fallout 4 theme). It will get rust chunks within 2 or 3 days with distilled water, or antifreeze has lasted rust free for almost a year now, so I'm a big fan of anti-freeze, hasn't messed with my hosing or submersible pump yet.
Use something like VW G12 or Japanese car coolants without silicates or 2-EHA. Don't use green coolants. Also don't use these with PETG tubes
Try drinking the old water and see what happens!
Drink it? Pfft vape that shit😎
Would be just like drinking antifreeze, you would die
Charles Pack Propylene Glycol and ethylene glycol aren't the same thing.
HnK Alex still wouldnt recommend drinking it lol.
HnK Alex AFAIK both are used in different types of antifreeze.
For just one or two degrees difference? All the trouble and your warranty?
Just let it be. If you want a big difference, build a custom Waterloop.
And after a couple of years you probably buy a new one.
Did you watch the video? Steve explicitly stated the purpose of this experiment isn't to increase performance. It's a proof-of-concept for AIO owners to maintain baseline performance over long periods of time.
Justin Bernardo I did, I’m just saying. After 4/5 years you will probably buy a new one.
This entire exercise is to prove you don't HAVE to buy a new AIO after 5 years if your unit is serviceable.
Justin Bernardo that’s a option indeed. But after 5 years I will swap pc parts. Because there are better Watercoolblocks on the market.
Sounds like you would want to go with custom loops. If you want to upgrade blocks often, it would be more sensible to just change blocks. Besides that, a custom loop will outperform an AIO anyways.
AIO's are easy to refill, so its like throwing away a custom loop every time your low on water, its pretty wasteful when it takes very little effort. You also wouldn't be going with AIO if you wanted the best performance in the first place.
Custom loop... It's really not that hard, and really, in the end easier to maintain. That's the right answer. I understand that many cases don't have enough room for a true custom loop system... The right answer, get a bigger case or choose a different cooler option (like air cooling). Don't get me wrong, it's cool that you proved it could be done, but it seems like more effort than it's worth (although, the AIO is usually much cheaper in the first place). After building my first custom loop a few weeks back, I can't believe that I even bothered with the AIO that I used in the first place. The AIO is still in the machine and running, because it was dedicated to the CPU. The custom loop, that cools my two graphics cards... Both keeps the temps under 50c no matter what I do to them as far as overclock/load... CPU or GPU.
As much as I love my loops, the last thing you want in a pc that has a long lifespan is a custom loop. Also an aio is cheaper than a full loop (although ek is doing a good job of changing that)
The biggest reason to buy AIO's is the price. Custom loops is a niche, which is why many people use fish tank pumps, to avoid paying a premium for nearly identical parts. You can buy an AIO for your CPU and a separate one for your GPU for less than the cost of a similar performance custom loop. Obviously AIO's are not viable if you want the CPU and two GPU's, but SLI and crossfire are dead.
James Mastroianni, I think that it all depends on how exactly you set it up, I can see where it can be a real pain in the ass. Fortunately, I have what essentially is a Borg Cube, the Thermaltake X9. So the 480mm radiator is mounted along the bottom of the case. The 400ml reservoir and pump are mounted in the front top half, essentially where it can never leak on the motherboard or drives. The reservoir fill is also the highest point in the system, making it super easy to top off. Basically, I made it very easy to have enough space to make it idiot proof (because I am that idiot that it needs to be idiot proofed against).
ac3ofspades878 good points, with one point of contention, SLI is not quite dead yet. Two 1080ti's in SLI is a thing of beauty when gaming. My 1080ti's were initially used for mining, however the great state of CA jacks up the electric rates so high as to negate the usefulness/profitability of these GPU's for mining... So I am using them for gaming, and I must say, I am pretty thrilled with the performance.
There are multiple ways to build systems, and many good reasons to use a CLC or an open loop. One doesn't always need to be superior to the other.
we all know now that they are junk-last about 6 months
Makes me wonder if other mfr's will follow suit with the idea of refilling and hype the crap out of that as a sales pitch. Then again maybe none because longevity of product and end user repair is regarded as lost future revenue, which of course is a BS way of thinking.
Who needs to worry about liquid coolant and water when you can have the NH-D15 that's so much more quieter, cheaper/cost-effective, and risk free than these lousy Asetek coolers? If you're using an ordinary mainstream processor or not overclocking, air cooling is just a so much easier, risk free, and quieter experience.
This isn't an Asetek cooler.
I'd counter that many users of AIO's may also be looking for aesthetics.. making this more visually appealing for some users.
Excalibur I have a basic ass h60 and it looks nice
I have experience with both air and AIO liquid coolers and I personally prefer air. That being said, those AIO coolers are far easier to mount if your mobo is already inside a case and I don't see any additional risks with them. They're not pressurized systems, if there's a leak you're going to see it after opening the packaging. Noise levels can often be higher with the pumps working but not all units are bad in that regard. They also offer more versatility in that radiator mounting points can be very creatively placed by case manufacturers, which allows for unique layouts and improved air flow. Just imagine trying to shove that NH-D15 in a mini-ITX gaming case. On the other hand there's quite a few of those with 240 rad support.
Also, the single most important thing: Noctua uses feces colored fans and to people who can see color that is often a problem. Every time I see one of their fans I wonder how they stay in business. Most people probably don't know about Be Quiet!.
Dude I'm not sure what you're smoking but that Noctua cooler, as good as it is, is not less than AIOs. It's almost $90 and there are plenty of AIOs on the market that are less expensive.