Manchester & Salford. Five MORE Historical survivors
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- In this video we visit five historical survivors in Manchester and Salford. Firstly we visit the town of Radcliffe and look at two Industrial weirs on the river Irwell. These weirs provided water to two goits. Hutchinsons Goit and Bealeys Goit that fed Bleach works and a Paper mill in the town. Secondly we look at an old pack horse bridge. the old Blackford bridge on the river Roch near the town of Bury. Then we go to Weaste in Salford to look at some salford corporation surviving tram tracks for the early 1900's. Off to castlefield in manchester to look at some Roman remains. Finally we look at an old water drinking well, possibly Georgian in Manchester city centre. This well was situated near the infamous Little Ireland and most certainly played a role in its history.
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This may not be the place to ask this, but as I can see your enthusiasm for Manchester gone by, and it's architecture, I wonder if you would be interested to have something my mother gave me, which is a scrapbook compiled by her father around 1910, consisting of about 50 newspaper articles talking about the buildings and parts of Manchester. the articles are all written by a Mr T Swindells, described as the author of a book entitled "Manchester Streets and Manchester Men". Some of the later articles are headed "Manchester of the Past", and are said to be specially written for the paper. Titles include such things as "The beauties of the sylvan district of Ancoats". I live in Haslingden, but could probably post it to you. My mother has no idea why her father compiled this book, which is self bound, with brown paper pages, and I did have a handwritten note with the book explaining that it was made around 1910 in my mothers curlicue script handwriting.
Let me know if you think it may be of interest to you.
Regards
Alan Partington
You might want to prompt Martin again if you haven't heard from him by now!
I really enjoy these mini explores as much as the big ones, history is all arounds us and you help show the little signs from our past, wonderful Martin, well done to you and the guys.
Sunday with Martin, James, and five more bits of history… it’s a good day 😊
Edit: 5:01 Brilliant 😄
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Couldn't agree more, such a treat to sit down on a Sunday evening. And the five interesting things series is just a fab format.
I deliver on Lower Chatham Street every day and I never knew about the well. Absolutely fascinating! I will be taking a look tomorrow. Thanks for sharing Martin.
Not so much pieces of historic trivia as small nuggets of historical gold Martin. Many 🙏
Great to see the large weir and archimedes (arky-me-deez) screw, at Radcliffe. Also, the old pack horse route. We still have the Pack Horse pub in Royston, South Yorkshire. Our old pack horse bridge is above a long disused quarry, behind the Co-op car park.
Excellent to see the original tram depot clock tower kept. More developers should take note.
Caligula, Martin? Tut. Chuckle.
Lower Chatham Street well - fascinating.
Best of all, thanks for having a shave.👌 Let's not be going there again, okay?
How'd you know it wasn't pronounced "Are-kimmy-deeze"?
It's like the Radio Times should be the "Raddy-otto-meeze"! 😆
@@Aengus42 As a post-graduate qualified teacher of Functional English, Dyslexia specialist and 17 years experience has taught me, amongst other things, how to 'sound out' words to make them easier to pronounce.
@@quickclipsbyjmj No doubt.
But did that experience rob you of a sense of humour too?
I fear it may have done...
@@Aengus42 No. Not at all. You might have been joking, instead of extracting the urine. I couldn't take the risk. I thought it better to show the correct pronunciation for in case one of Martin's viewers wasn't sure how to say it.
So that must mean an Arch is actually an Ark.🤭🤭
I’m glad that James is a mainstay in your videos now, it’s like when Dr. Who teamed up with Maryanne, it just works. Love your work
At some point before 1 June 1907 Bury council had claimed that half the old bridge was theirs - and demolished “their” half. The locals were upset because it was a right of way and they used it to get to the bleach works or to Radcliffe. They asked for it to be put back, but Bury council wasn’t admitting anything (or paying for it) and no other council wanted to pay up either, so it must have stayed demolished… (Bury Times 1/6/1907)
23:02, that's the mechanism to manually set the points. At every tram (not only back in the days but modern trams as well) all have an steel "stake" to switch the points. Sometimes because the automated switching fails, sometimes because they only can be hand switched. The old(er) systems around depots were all manual switches.
The rebuilt of the backwall of the depot was not only because of the new windows in it but also because backwalls of depots have a hidden feature in it. Those walls are build as "easy to break" - when a tramcar wouldn't stop in the depot, it would break through the wall/doors at the end instead of crashing into the wall. The wall was build in such way the bricks would come easily out of the wall, preventing the depot from collapsing if a tram would hit the backwall. A tram crashing into the street behind the depot would effect less casualties or damage than the collaps of the depot.
You beat me to this reply by 4 months. That'll teach me for not scrolling down before adding my own comment about the points 🤣 These switches look like they were single bladed too.
When you said "lower Chatham Street" I shuddered, having lived in horrific student halls there for a year almost 25 years ago. Can't believe I walked past that well almost every day.
i really like these ones you do like this Martin, as always good work chap, an many thanks for all your endless perseverance putting these together for us each week i do love a little bit of history on sunday, top marks :)
Thank you
You should do a video on Compstall, just over werneth low in Hyde - sandwiched between Tameside and Marple. It’s a mill town built by George Andrew in the early 19th century. One of the mills is still there and there’s a huge weir and plenty of industrial remains at the man made reservoirs that supplied the mills
I like this guy. Enthusiasm! Passion! Knowledge!
Well said Martin … I certainly appreciate the “trivia” you’re bringing light to … thank you 🙏
Thanks Nigel
I love the industrial heritage , the dank , gloomy , and gritty past
Social History at its finest. Great work Martin!
Thanks Paul
I remember looking in the woods next to old blackford bridge and finding the old dye works along with a massive dump of bottles, some still with what looked like dye inside, its probably still all there!
Loved it. I visited Bealey's Goit some years ago and noticed (I think) that the sluice mechanism was made in Kilmarnock, so I contacted the museum there for further information. Loved the well and the bridge - not seen before. Often pass Weaste "tram depot" on my way to Weaste Cemetery, but had no idea that they only kept the front wall ! Many thanks Martin and James.
I am not from your area but I do love the Industrial and urban history of the British Isles, and your Anneka Rice impression, now to find the clue ;-)
Great to see more tram track. The well looks like it has a cover as there is a straight line by hole 1. Also learned that the word Goight is not just an insult used in Red Dwarf.
Love Red Dwarf!!!!
Hi Martin, Hutchinson's goit supplied water to the East Lancashire Paper Mill in Radcliffe, where I worked as Mill Chemist. It fed into the 'city tea' lodge which was just alongside Church st. I remember the 'watermen' who looked after the lodges and goits that fed the mill. They would regularly clear the weeds from the goit - happy days !! Andy.
Another excellent video, quickly becoming my favourite UA-camr Martin. Thank you for doing these 😎
Cheers Dave
Spring Gardens and Fountain Street. Now I know where the names came from. Thanks Martin.
Another brilliant video Martin! You guys do Manchester and it’s storied history PROUD
Hi Martin, James and the crew. Some further trivia there is a capped off well in the Cruz101 club in the village. When the club first opened it was just an iron grid on top but as clubbers used it dump empty cans/bottles it was capped off with a solid capping. I am sure I can remember the Weaste tram/bus depot had opening doors on the frontage with Eccles road with tram rails running onto Eccles Road as well as on that side road. Also I am sure these double height doors were part of an attempted preservation order as they were ornate and metal? coated. Perhaps something to whet your curiosity. Cheers DougT in Mancs
Thanks for the info Doug, interesting about the well
Fascinated by the well!
Awesome history but please stop running ! I'm knackered just watching 😜.
Come on time for some regional variety. Warrington, Widnes, StHelens and Runcorn still have some really interesting industrial heritage hiding in plain sight.
The metallic box next to the tramtrack are the box to shift the track i two directions. The tramdriver had a long stick with a "key" that fitted into the hole. When turning it he could make the track shift from side to side...
Hi Martin great video and greetings from Cornwall
Greetings to Cornwall
So glad you covered Bealeys weir, occasionally I’ve delivered to DHL opposite, when you exit and turn right you can’t miss the weir. When there’s little water going over, it’s a beautiful structure.
Loving your channel, excellent work
Martin, your use of maps is great for the story, great work. A mistake on google earth, "I can't believe it." "Run James Run" priceless.... Little stories of historic trivia are just as important as the big stories or you could say "There is nothing trivial about history." Well well well Martin this was another great watch, and your narration is full of enthusiasm. Well, time to start the BBQ. Thanks to you and your team. How long do the batteries last in the torch?
Just love this history of Manchester thanks Martin and James
Think I may start following these dudes.... never boring and, in my book, every day is a school day.... great information. Well thought out.... run, James, run... n get the tea on!
I worked at Bealeys bleaching and dyeing company on Dumers Lane Radcliffe in the late 1960s and early 70s
It was a very old fashioned company, using lots of river and towns water water for processing fabric. They had been very forward thinking at times - supplying their own water from the river originally - and had a steam turbine to produce their own electricity.
During the 3 day week in the 70s[ due to union unrest across the country] the company were not allowed to run, even with producing their own electric, as this would have been seen as having an unfair advantage over other dyeing plants.
The company closed in the late 1980 - 90s period and is now a housing estate.
On the of the road was Bealeys Maternity Home. Started by the original mill owners.
just fabulous. great watching, brilliant.
Love old tram lines history
Another Smashed It production by Sir Martin.I love all your work,but this truly appealed to my imagination. As you walk through Angel Meadow.I literally see the hardworking people who lived and too often died young there. You know I hate romanticizing poverty so I think honoring all of this city’s past both rich and poor is critical.Too often today people think they have it bad.and ok there is more than some acknowledge,but your work honors this city l fondly say adopted me. When I walk into Salford my first time,a bloke from across the pond,due to your incredible work I shall feel a kinship. I know it is an old promise,but yes pints are on me mate, I shall be honored to meet you when l fly into Manchester sometime in 23,and I hope it is ok to say your work and friendship from afar have gotten me through a lot. Survivors Manchester based in Salford brought me back from a rough place,and your videos have been equally of my heart. Thank you Martin,,
Happy New Year Martin and thanks for another very interesting video. I hope future generations watch and learn from your extensive research ☺
Thank you Dilwyn
Haven't even watched this yet, but I KNOW it's right down my alley! 😍
Cheers Adam
Really good Martin great watch
Cracking little gems! That collapsed bridge was my fav and that well, how fascinating, you wouldn't want to lose your keys or phone down there! 😳😁
Excellent Martin! All
Five!! I live near the old bridge and when I went for a walk down there I had funny looks from the residents in the houses, so
Put me off! Lol. Well done !!!
Excellent social history. It may be small but it's very important! 👍
Wow! Another great video. That well is amazing. Keep up the great work Martin.
Martin defines the word "enthusiasm" through his activities.
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Excellent historical snippets of Manchesters past. ❤️
Thanks Guys for taking me along with you today !
Well done Martin. Loved this👏👏👏
Loving the Archimedes Screw in action, old technology brought to life in a modern era
Excellent vid as always,, tram tracks still visible on Bennet Street opposite Rostron avenue, leading into the old tram depot, which was the Olympic freight depot of Hyde Road.. keep posting the vids.. 👍
Thankyou! Fantastic as ever!
Hi Martin, What a great series of videos, what was even more interesting to us was when you visited Blackford Bridge, where we live.. in fact more to the point , you showed a series of photos and in one of them photos, with the houses, in fact our house was in that photo, where could i get a copy of that photo. I’m not sure if you were aware but we found out that the demolished works buildings opposite from us did in fact used to be a bleach works, also it used to be a tannery, the houses we live in (in the photo) were originally built in 1842 and are addressed as ‘Old Bridge End’ and were of course, just off Manchester Old Road. Another snippet we were told was that the reason the bridge was half demolished was originally from an agreement between the Manchester Old road ran between Whitefield & Bury and it a boundary between the two areas, Bury and Whitefield agreed to demolish the old bridge, Bury did their part, but Whitefield decided not to complete their part, so hence it is half demolished.
And another great video buddy 👍 👏 👌 😀 thanks
The bridge is really beautiful
Excellent. Absolutely fascinating as always.
The interesting thing about the weaste depot tram tracks is what they were connected to. The tracks that you showed us turned into Hessle St which was the street behind the depot. There it split into two tracks which entered the building through two seperate doors. Immediately inside was a "traverser" which was a set of sliding tracks that slid in a recess in the floor. The tram would go onto the traverser and this slid along sideways to line up with one of nine "track lanes" in the garage. The tram then drove off on to its allocated lane. In the morning the trams would drive off through points at the front of the garage though one of two doors out onto Eccles new Rd. There are pictures of this traverser, Hessle St and a garage track plan in the book Salfords Tramwasys vol 2 by Edward Grey.
At 16:48 I think you're describing a railway line. you can see the curve junction just above the road junction. That thing at 23:10 is most likely where they inserted the lever to change the points. A quick Google tells us concrete was invented around 7000BC. It'd be nice to drop a plumb line down that well.
I love these "trivia".
"Run, James, run!" It's like some bizarre video game...
I gotta tell ya, I’ve been watching your channel for a while now. Came across it by UA-cam suggestions while looking at mine exploring channels . I use to live in Pennsylvania, now in Florida, and have been a history buff since I was in elementary school. Pennsylvania has a lot of historical buildings and mines. But compared to the UK it’s nothing. I love the way you explain the sites you visit, not just go there and say what it is and leave. Someday I would love to visit there and just tour the country, not for the ‘touristy’ places, but for the hidden architectural things. Thank you for showing the places you do, it really brings to light how old and beautiful your country is.
Loved this Martin always go to that weir in Radcliffe
Thanks for another great video. Have a happy and healthy 2022.
Very interesting and thank you for all your work. Blackford Bridge suggests that there was a ford across the river at one time. In 1906 a man died after falling from what was described as the ruins of the bridge. I assume that it wasn't maintained after the building of the present road as a turnpike in 1827. Another ruin in that area worth viewing ( if it's possible to get near), is the Mount Sion water pump in Radcliffe
I want to get to that RJ
@@MartinZero I'm a new convert to your website and despite the fact that I'd lived in Salford for the best part of 80 plus years and by word of mouth only heard of the places you have filmed and commentated on what a eye opener it's been! My Father born in 1914 told me that in his childhood he went to see the damage done by the landside in Higher Broughton and of the crowds of people it drew into into this very opulent area of the city.
Wow Martin you took your life into your hands walking over the old Stonebridge
Good work.
Martin! Another first class video Thanks! Beloved and I were transfixed.
Thanks you Martin for a nice video see you next week
Love these little finds, thanks Martin, brilliant as always.
Cheers 😃
A triumph! Especially the authentic Roman footings. I love this format, Martin, well done.🇯🇪
Another good one. Thank you Martin.
Great double act Martin & James marvelous film
Thank for posting this, I was born in Hope Hospital in Salford & lived in Eccles, when I was 5 we moved to Wales but still have Family on my dads side so go up now & then!
Good to see you back. Happy New Year from Bill the Mancunian in Western Australia.
I remember the old tram lines , was having a wander round there a while ago. Smashing video again Martin, cheers, Slurp
Fascinating, thankyou!
Indeed brilliant vlog!
Martin. Excellent mate as ever and very interesting.
The wording on the points at Weaste that you couldn't clearly read, would most probably have read "Edgar Allan of Sheffield," the makers of many of the UK's tram track and points and the world's too for that matter.
And yes, that box next to the track with the unclear writing on it, would operate the points with a "points iron" or bar.
Thanks Martin, enjoyed that.
Fantastic video Martin. Back in the 90s I used to pass Weaste tram depot regularly. Yes the front fascia is original. At the rear in yard, the tracks fanned out to enter the back of the depot. In later years I think it was being used for warehousing.
Thanks John yeah I remember the bus depot
@@MartinZero The Water well was also fascinating Martin. Reminded me of in Keith's book about the former 'Wishing Well Cafe' that had a water well in the corner. I was just born abit too late to have witnessed some of these gems in Manchester! ;-)
That was just brilliant loving the old bridge and the well, really interesting along with the old black and white pictures and maps. I enjoy Sunday nights with these historical tours around the region. Stay safe and Happy New Year.
Lovely tour again Martin, ps the goatee suits you sir 🥰
Happy New Year Martin and James, I’m looking forward to watching many more of your most interesting and enjoyable explores in 2022.
Thanks Paul Happy new year
Thanks for another great video. That well has me intrigued.
Brilliant loved the film
Brilliant video also a good history lesson.
Fantastic guys, this is great. 15 mins walk from my home have walked some of this route.. Thanks guys. Being in a wheelchair I can't walk it anymore. Keep the trivia coming
Great video Martin like history of great of Manchester like u channel
Hi Martin, thanks for the shout out 👍 glad you managed to do the goits/ weir in Radcliffe. Great video as always. Ste
No problem, thanks for the info
This sort of stuff is brilliant. Places you just walk by, literally under your feet, without knowing. Keep 'em coming! Love it.
Bit late to watch this one, but thank you lads, cracking upload! :)
Thanks a lot for the very interesting video! I love the variety of history and heritage you have there! I really like little places like this where you can still see details of what was. Greetings from Germany! :-)
Just found your channel.very good to watch.
The part of salford where you found the tram lines and said about the landslide, the actual place we used to call the lanny , short for the landslide. We used to play there as kids.
we lived at 325 great clowes street
Fascinating, thank you
Thanks for doing these videos Martin. It saves me ever having to go to that hell hole called Manchester myself haha
I'm really enjoying your videos. Great historic insights! I'm a Mancunian, born and bred hut haven't lived there for ages now. Presently living in South West France but planning a pilgrimage to visit some of the old sites you have kindly uncovered. Please keep this up.
Thank you very much.
Great video and SUPER interesting.
If you think that bridge is cool Martin, you should check out Cromwells bridge at Hurst Green in Bowland, not too far from you! Amazing place with amazing history pal! Keep up the good work, best channel on UA-cam!
I know Weaste like the back of my hand as i served my time there as a Decorator over 40 years ago now but you missed one of the best parts of its history because just over the road from the bus depot across the M602 stood Henry Winterbottoms mill and that was the place i started my career as a Decorator .The old part of the mill no longer remains as its now new housing just leaving half the old site but there was even more of it before the motorway was built .Henry Winterbottoms was an associate of Karl Marx and Joseph Engels back in Victorian times ,a famous book was written something called the dark satanic mills or something like that ,my memory is fading ! the mills were the place the book described .Back in 81 as a 17 year old i would be left on my own with the keys to the whole site which had closed the year before .It was a fascinating place to explore at the time and my photographic memory can picture every inch of the place .In or about 83 i shown a BBC film crew around the place who were doing a film on Karl Marx ,i was in that film but have never traced it since .
Frederick Engels’ book is called ‘The Conditions of the Working Class in England in 1844’ (if that’s the one you mean 🙂) and is absolutely fascinating - the reason being it is observations of the time, not an historical observation. He describes going to one of the mill towns (possibly Blackburn£ when the mill workers in Manchester and surrounding areas supported the anti-slavery lobby in the US. The working classes refused to work American cotton and so many of the mill owners closed the mills and put them out of work to starve. A Quarry owner described to Engels how it caused him great distress when mill workers turned up at the quarry looking for work: “the spinners’ hands are so soft to avoid snagging/breaking their threads. If I give them work their hands will be ruined and they won’t be able to return to their trade’. This isn’t an historian’s thoughts, it is Engel’s observations in 1844. He also describes the slums of Angel Meadow,. The book is like time-travel instead of looking through an historian’s rose coloured spectacles. I can highly recommend 🙂
great info
Great video interesting thankyou.
Great stuff, that second wierwas awesome. Keep um coming. God bless
Corker wasnt it
Glad you had a shave- you started to look like Techmoan's grandad 😲. Great video as always Martin - the well was the highlight for me as a real connection to the absolute poverty of the time.
I loved the Well