Can the Vizards Achieve Full Hollow Transformation Like Ichigo? Kubo's Answer!

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  • @Goremejy
    @Goremejy 5 днів тому +28

    I think the main issue holding the vizards from further evolving, is due to the trauma from how they gained the power. It seems like they still understandably hold resentment towards Aizen for putting this on them, which also prevents them from fully accepting the new power. While it’s not like the case with Ichigo, I think it’s similar in that they need to accept the hollow as a part of themselves, rather than some foreign entity. This IMO is key to the vizards obtaining ressurcion

  • @manuelacosta9463
    @manuelacosta9463 5 днів тому +44

    The Vizards unleashing their full Hollow forms will be something to behold. If the hell arc is a full revival/continuation of the saga we may still see that, especially given how dangerous hell's demons have shown themselves to be.

    • @evanroberts5045
      @evanroberts5045 5 днів тому

      Technically hollows are demons

    • @sidcomegys4154
      @sidcomegys4154 5 днів тому

      How so, we have seen that zanpaktou sprits are stronger than hollow spirits. They would have to be able to use bankai and Resurrection at the same time. Just look at tosen.

    • @victormorales8990
      @victormorales8990 5 днів тому

      @@sidcomegys4154 there was no indication of Tosen using bankai with his resurrection, Tosen only used a hollow mask then Resurrection.
      We only have seen Ichigo achieve a fused form so far, but Ichigo situation is just vastly different. The hollow is already part of the zanpakuto a more natural hybrid so to speak.

    • @victormorales8990
      @victormorales8990 5 днів тому

      I hope the visored hybrid build gets actually explained in anime or hell arc manga one day.
      Its very confusing determining the potential, we see aizen mock the visoreds calling them fake arrancar, but is it because Urahara stabilized their souls?
      educated guess option 1
      We can make educated guesses, that the visoreds can never Resurrection due to their inner nature of never wanting the hollow power, so like yumichika always insulting his zanpakuto
      by calling it the wrong name, its true potential is never reached.
      educated guess option 2
      Another alternative, maybe there is a literal scientific bleach lore reason, the visoreds are unable to display that power, and when aizen mocked them. It wasn't a jab at them being unable to accept the full hollow powers and achieve a higher level, but maybe he said that in the most literal sense. The experiment was a pure failure for his intended result.

    • @UnnaturalPower
      @UnnaturalPower 5 днів тому

      @@victormorales8990 I feel like Aizen mocked them because they simply don’t have perfected Hollowfication. Tōsen claimed to be better than the Vizards and when he Hollowfied, his Hollowfication had spread to his chest area. Hollowfication appearing in other parts of the body, besides just summoning the mask, also happened to Kensei and Mashiro when they first Hollowfied. I think the additional pieces of Hollowfication like Tōsen had and what Kensei and Mashiro originally had is a sign of “perfect” Hollowfication and until they reach that level they won’t be able to achieve Resurrección. And I don’t think they can achieve perfect Hollowfication because none of them have good relationships with their inner Hollow, besides maybe Mashiro.

  • @dmar3651
    @dmar3651 5 днів тому +5

    The reason Kubo never thought about it, is likely because he never intended to show it more than once as a quick way for Ichigo to win the fight.

  • @TheUnboundedJSouls
    @TheUnboundedJSouls 5 днів тому +21

    Even though Kubo never really thought about it but Kaname literally has a full hollow vizard form which you can say that he is the only one who has a full controlled full hollow form plus the only vizard to have a resurrection. I've said this in a different video but I believe that Kaname is the definition of a vizard who was able to unleash the full potential of it.

    • @Oromanowarful
      @Oromanowarful 5 днів тому +2

      This seems a pretty good take, unless I'm forgetting someone I can't recall anyone with shinigami power becoming a hollow and maintaining such control.
      Ichigos form was different since his inner hollow wasn't imprinted into an asauchi at the time he hollowfied, so I think the vizards would have a different route to take if they were to become full hollows.. their zanpakuto would probably be sealed away if they became fully unsealed hollows.
      Another issue though is they were infected with hollow reiatsu so they may not have individual hollow spirits within them like ichigo always had with white being inherited from masaki along with old man zangetsu.

    • @millasboo
      @millasboo 5 днів тому

      Kubo did say the other vizards could achieve something similar 4:04

    • @loganhayse8771
      @loganhayse8771 5 днів тому

      ​@@Oromanowarfulmaybe Ginjo

    • @7Vile7
      @7Vile7 4 дні тому +1

      Kaname really is underrated in the way he expanded what a shinigami with a hollow infestation really could be. Everything Ichigo did was so distant because he really wasn’t a Visord at all but Kaname literally put on display the stepping stones the visords could access for power.
      Sadly Kaname fight with Sajin literally explained to us why Kaname was able to use the hollowification to the extent he did and why the Visords never will. Simply because Kaname threw everything he knew about being a shinigami away and as the Visords in the TYBW are trying so hard to fit back into Soul Society, that’s something they’ll probably never do and never embrace being hollow.

  • @cary4603
    @cary4603 5 днів тому +14

    As it pertains to Ichigo's Hollow form, the alleged "Vasto Lorde" form, Ichigo appears to resemble the Hollow named White that attacked his parents. Having said that, none of the Vizards have that distinct link. Even Ichigos hollow form when his hollowification was originally taking over was different from the Vasto Lorde form as it was more like a bulky standing lizard with claws and a long thick tail. It didnt have the sleek appearance with the mask and the blade horns on the side of his head.

    • @evanroberts5045
      @evanroberts5045 5 днів тому

      @@cary4603 White is Zangetsu now

    • @diablo.the.cheater
      @diablo.the.cheater 5 днів тому +10

      @@evanroberts5045 Not really, that is a bad interpretation, Zangetsu IS NOT White and White IS NOT Zangetsu. White IS Ichigo, thanks to the asauchi-like nature that Ichigo inhereted from White, he was able to form zanpakuto spirits without being a spirit or having an asauchi. But since he made Zangetsu by using properties that came from a hollow-asauchi thing, the spirit came as a shinigami-hollow power spirit. Any resemblance to White from Zangetsu is because Zangetsu resembles Ichigo who in turn resembles White in his hollow nature.
      The confusion comes because before it was revealed who true zangetsu was, zangetsu was called white ichigo by the fandom, because well, that is an apt description. But the Hollow White is not "white ichigo"/Zangetsu, the Hollow White just became one of the building blocks of Ichigo and the nature and souls that Ichigo got from this allowed him to form Zangetsu inside of him, but at that point White didn't exist anymore, only Ichigo.

    • @TheDarkGBJ
      @TheDarkGBJ 5 днів тому +1

      ​@@diablo.the.cheatermakes sense

  • @millasboo
    @millasboo 5 днів тому +8

    2:36 I mean arguably Kensei actually had something similar when he first turned

  • @OreezOfficial
    @OreezOfficial 4 дні тому +3

    Considering he gave the same hollowfication to tosen, this answer becomes even weirder.

  • @cd5sircoupe
    @cd5sircoupe 5 днів тому +13

    Ya know, most of us fans back in the day figured Ichigo's transformation was unique to him based on the circumstances around everything involving Ichigo. Not to mention just how much the story emphasized the Vizards being failed experiments, incomplete, etc.
    I don't believe Kubo's "yeah golly, guess I never thought about that. It's a cool idea though!". Not in the least. He gave Tousen a full treatment as a perfected Vizard, seems like he forgot that part.
    I think it would be accurate to call Ichigo's form v Ulqiorra a Resurrection, considering we've seen the base hollow it was modeled on and how similar they were, same for Ulq. Tousen's was uh, quite frankly a massive disappointment but I get the vibe that Kubo at the time just didn't give two shits about shinigami/hollow hybrids other than Ichigo. He needed a compelling mini boss so he gave Tousen some steroids for a little bit.

    • @corruptangel6793
      @corruptangel6793 5 днів тому

      Tosen isn't a perfect vizard. Tosen discarded his Soul Reaper powers for a full ressurection because of how much he hated Soul Reapers.
      A perfect vizard would be a perfect blend of Soul Reaper and Hollow. Not one or the other. Something closer to Ichigo's Horn of Salvation. Being able to use a ressurection and a Shikai/Bankai simultaneously.

    • @cd5sircoupe
      @cd5sircoupe 5 днів тому +1

      @@corruptangel6793 Ok uhm no, he definitely did not discard his soul reaper powers. He very clearly used Suzumushi before going mask form in the beginning of that fight with Komamura/Hisagi.
      Stop being so dense. Ichigo is a special case unlike anything else.

    • @corruptangel6793
      @corruptangel6793 5 днів тому +2

      @@cd5sircoupe Tosen didn't have a bankai anymore. That's what I meant. He gave it up in favor of a full ressurection.
      Yeah, Ichigo's special. That doesn't change the fact that a "perfect" vizard would combine Soul Reaper and Hollow powers. Not choose one or the other.

    • @corruptangel6793
      @corruptangel6793 5 днів тому

      @@cd5sircoupe when he activates Ressurection, he loses his Zanpakuto and Soul Reaper powers to become a full-fledged hollow

    • @cd5sircoupe
      @cd5sircoupe 5 днів тому +1

      @@corruptangel6793 There is nothing to suggest with 100% certainty Tosen no longer had a bankai, that's pure speculation on your part unless Kubo has outright said as much somewhere.
      Tosen was outright infatuated with his new-ish powers and skillset, and it certainly seemed like that was the first time he used them judging on what he said after going Res.
      He was fully bought into the hollowfication hype train, of course he was like nah fuck using my boring shinigami powers I'm gonna use this new shiny shit instead since it's better.
      He also never explicitly states anything about throwing away his shinigami power, on the contrary most of the debate between him & Koma is focused around why Tosen became a shinigami and what that meant to him...
      He was meant to be the ultimate version of the shinigami/hollow hybrid, whereas the Vizard group were taken out of the oven too early. Ichigo isn't even in the same category because he's a full 4 part hybrid, at least you recognize that.

  • @AnujRama
    @AnujRama 5 днів тому +1

    It makes total sense If you think about it tosen resurreccion mirror to his Bankai and his hollow mask have extra accessories like shoulder pad and chest plate so meaning the Visored must have something similar before achieving Resurreccion just like Kensei full hollow form have Gauntlet and tendrill like in his back and mashiro have leg armor/Greaves it would be awesome in cour 4 if the Visored atleast achieve complete hollow form or Bankai/Resurreccion hybrid form

  • @Atticus-Catnipp
    @Atticus-Catnipp 5 днів тому +8

    I’d like to know if the Vizards will go resurrection in cour 4. They deserve it

  • @tater8960
    @tater8960 5 днів тому +3

    4:50. that is just the ressurecion kubo already said the vizoreds can achieve in the old question. that shinji would not be what a fully holloied shinji would look. he would look like a full monster like full hollw ichigo.

  • @xcannabistokes5677
    @xcannabistokes5677 4 дні тому +1

    I don't think they'd have the same relationship with their hollow's so I doubt they'd be able to do with it what ichigo can. In a way you could say ichigo's zanpaktou's power is the power of hollowfication. He was born with it merged into his shinigami powers. Even Nimaiya says "This hollow is your zanpaktou Ichi." Zangetsu is a zanpaktou that just happens to be a hollow.
    I think if a visord was to fully go hollow it'd be the end for them.

    • @carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255
      @carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 3 дні тому +1

      What about Tosen though? It is clear that his hollow kinda merged with his Zanpakutou, with his resurrection command being an altered version of his Bankai's name.

    • @xcannabistokes5677
      @xcannabistokes5677 2 дні тому

      @@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255 Not sure about this one to be honest. It's possible it could have something to do with the hogyoko being in its beginning stages when the visords underwent hollowfication.

  • @ericquiabazza2608
    @ericquiabazza2608 5 днів тому

    As people have explore already
    Hollow, Shinigami, quinzi, etc are al base on Shinto
    Yet the dacotomy of Shinigami/Hollow ALSO Follow the presently popular Young theory of the Shadow and Ego (Persona)
    SPECIALY SO when you concider the Zanpakuto is derive from the shinigami self, the ideal self, and hollows are more primal, so primal they become Animal and become spadas when they Seal their instincts in their sword, with the resureection being a release of said seal.
    This is also a core on ichigo's personality as his instincts are like kenpachi, a fighter, yet he supresses it for his self impose responsability, thus when a fight gets good is when Shirosaki gets out.

  • @thejaredmyers
    @thejaredmyers 5 днів тому +1

    2:30 The Visored's when training Ichigo knew what was happening to him and told him if he went full hollow they would have to kill him. So them knowing about it would imply that they could do it, but, unlike Ichigo since the Hollowfication on them was unnatural if they ever did, that would be the end of them. No reverting back. I understand what Kubo said, but either he forgot or the translation to English changed the context significantly. I'm going to have to rewatch these episodes now. 🤣

    • @corruptangel6793
      @corruptangel6793 5 днів тому +2

      They went through it when Aizen hollowfied them. They managed to make it out thanks to Urahara.
      I think what Kubo is saying is that the Vizards are failed experiments (as Aizen said called them) who only managed to control their masks and didn't think more of it. Like if he made the initial character charts and then set them aside to focus on other things. He didn't take the time to explore potential avenues for the Vizards to evolve further

  • @Kunaimaru
    @Kunaimaru 20 годин тому

    I think Tosen, Ichigo, Kensei and Mashiro have the same form, you may call it holowification or resurection but is the same thing. First step mask, second step the whole body. Ichigo just had an evolution of the hollow transformation. Like growing from adjukas class to vasto lorde class, more human-like. Tosen and kensei just adjukas class, Mashiro... maybe a vasto lord class from the start. They all have to train or subdue the inner hollow in order to willingly transform as Tosen did.

  • @maciekwucow3989
    @maciekwucow3989 5 днів тому +6

    Yes they can if only they are the main characters.

    • @NEONlights-lb8um
      @NEONlights-lb8um 5 днів тому +2

      Don't be silly. They literally already did transform into their full hollow forms. The vizards have a different form because their power isn't the same as ichigo's. People like you don't pay attention

    • @maciekwucow3989
      @maciekwucow3989 5 днів тому +1

      @NEONlights-lb8um You didnt get the joke are you?

    • @tater8960
      @tater8960 5 днів тому

      @@NEONlights-lb8um their fully hollow form would be ressurecion like kubo said would be possible to do. if kubo had real interest in the vizoreds he would make some of them use this full ressurecion

    • @UnnaturalPower
      @UnnaturalPower 5 днів тому

      ⁠@@NEONlights-lb8umFull Hollow form is Resurrección. Tōsen is the only Vizard we have seen perform a Resurrección.

  • @dandredawkins2885
    @dandredawkins2885 5 днів тому +1

    The fact that kubo nvr even thought abt ways to give them a power up the vizards are doomed😭

  • @afanofstuff9123
    @afanofstuff9123 5 днів тому

    Ok i know Kubo hates the hell movie but we have seen him take concept and bits from the movies to use in the manga. (example valley of screams)
    So in the hell movie it forces out your hollow side ichigo just using his sword forced him to mask up and him masking up forced him to hollowfy which makes sense his swords abilities are connected to his hollow.
    So i wonder if in the hell arc that gets kept imagine the vizards going to hell not knowing that and any use of a hollow ability is magnified forcing them to completely hollowfy. what ever you call that state id call it a uncontrollable resurrección.

  • @jaimeflor4181
    @jaimeflor4181 5 днів тому

    I haven’t heard the name “Shirosaki” in a long time! Anyhow, seeing these forms would be interesting. I know we won’t, but it would be cool if Kubo sketched them out.

  • @thejaredmyers
    @thejaredmyers 5 днів тому

    4:15 I LOVE the idea that Ichigo's Vasto Lorde form was actually his Resurrección. 💯

    • @vastolorde6194
      @vastolorde6194 5 днів тому +1

      He had the mask on his face, it's a full hollow form, not a ressureccion. Horn of salvation is when all his powers are in equilibrum, and when the hollow powers are under control is like an arrancar form, even the fact that had just one horn instead of two seems to indicate that horns of salvation is like an arrancar form with shinigami and quincy powers, similar to how Ulquiorra had 2 horns in hollow form and one in his arrancar form. Kubo also confirm that Ichigo can obtain ressureccion, meaning that his vasto lorde form and horn of salvation are not his ressureccion, but his full hollow form and his arrancar form. In his ressureccion, ichigo would probably had 2 horns again, and it will be a mix between his full hollow form and horn of salvation, similar to how arrancars ressureccion looks like a mix between their arrancar form and their original hollows form, it's like they are "wearing" their power like an armour in ressureccion form.

  • @Wasnt-1
    @Wasnt-1 4 дні тому

    the real question is what if there's a dimension where all gotei 13 members requires to have hollow powers in then meaning from a normal member to the captain commander have hollow transformation would it make that version of the gotei 13 more powerful than the current one ?

  • @SolarEclipse28
    @SolarEclipse28 5 днів тому

    Well, Tousen went full hollow, and there's nothing that indicates they are any different from Tousen. Idk how they'd learn to do it though, unless someone like Nel teaches them.

  • @traverserred
    @traverserred 5 днів тому

    Ichigo went full hollow against uqiorra because he died and had unfinished business, orihime calling to him made him turn into a full hollow.

  • @kiddeath1302
    @kiddeath1302 5 днів тому

    But wouldnt the mastery or ability to manifest the hollow mask mean that the vizards do have inner hollows as well?

  • @gsomv
    @gsomv 4 дні тому

    I mean, Tōsen did master visored resurreccion, so i see no reason all other visored couldn't master it as well.

    • @lindonbrass3191
      @lindonbrass3191 4 дні тому

      Kaname abandoned his shinigami powers in favour of the hollow powers, so it’s likely the Visoreds would have to completely abandon their own powers and stop being shinigami to do the same thing, which we know they probably wouldn’t do I guess

  • @Sanji_Vinsmoke_69
    @Sanji_Vinsmoke_69 5 днів тому +1

    please give us fully hollowfied forms in rebirth of souls lol

  • @pellipel13
    @pellipel13 5 днів тому

    I always called hollow ichigo hichigo

  • @chrishale7480
    @chrishale7480 2 дні тому

    I’m sure they can but I doubt they can control it.

  • @DAMASCUS-OG
    @DAMASCUS-OG 5 днів тому

    Am I first