My OrangeStorm Giga STILL DOESN'T WORK
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Sadly, my Elegoo OrangeStorm Giga still has issues, and I don't trust it.
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Seems everyone else got the Orange Storm and Joel got the Lemon Storm.
That needs to be its name
No. He got the Prusa XXXL.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino that is an elegloo not a Prusa
@@Deviled_EG Whoosh.
r/woosh
Sounds like Joel got the 'normal customer' model.
Yes, I'm over getting Factory Project Status printers right out of the box. Except in my case, manufacturers only answer the first "Hey, this is factory broken", fix One thing, then promptly block your email and leave you to your own solves for the rest of time.
I can really feel the frustration you're feeling here. Such a bummer that it's been so hard to get this thing working!
I know I’ll get there, just wish it was sooner.
Joel is like a disappointed coach who's kid is constantly faling at football and he knows he can't give the kid special treatment
That’s SO TRUE.
FINALLY! Someone that is calling elegoo out rather than promoting everything they produce. That makes you a leader Joel and nothing is cooler than that. Springs in 2024....no.
I've been very happy with my Elegoo printers. Of course, if you get an early unit, there are often problems.
And big printers are just tricky to tune and run no matter what.
@@t.m.breuel2670 I agree that there are always issues that crop up with new printers that have new features, but leveling a bed and extruding filament should not be two of them.
Yes every printer has its flaws. However, it's time we as a community hold them to a higher a standard. It's the least we deserve. They charge a premium for these printers we should expect no less. It's crazy to think Elegoo R&D thought the bed leveling and thermodynamics of the Giga were ready for prime time.
It makes him a critic, not a leader.
My first printer was an Elegoo and it almost caused me to give up the hobby so im not surprised you're having trouble with this thing.
I was scared just about that, i bought an Anycubic Kobra 2 Neo for 160€ two Months ago.
Putting it together was easy following the instructions, first startup no problems, did the Autolevel thing...
No problems till now, im happy with the Speed and print quality, very good printer for beginners in my Opinion. It worked right out of the box.
Me too! I returned my first Elegoo printer lol.
I have 2 Neptunes and a Jupiter (Jupiter is a resin printer) and I love them. The Neptune bed leveling and the plate leveling on the Jupiter were frustrating aspects of getting into printing but looking back it was just frustration with the learning curve. Now leveling is easy and failed prints are rare. I went with Elegoo because of the positive things people had to say about them on YT and Reddit.
@@TERMICOBRA Yeah it is definitely a learning curve thing. I brought a neptune 4 as my first printer and it was a huge pain in the ass. But that was just me being new to 3D printing and expecting it to be simple. Once I stopped treating the thing like a magic device, learned how to level properly, figured out how to configure the slicer, and actually designing prints to be 3d pritner friendly, things started working smoothly.
Print failures always suck but on a printer this big, I imagine the frustration is about 4x as much and also costly in terms of filament. Reliability needs to be the #1 priority with printers this size. I can feel your pain! 😩
So we’re using real names now 😂🤘
Man that was painful to see. Really sucks you’ve had non stop challenges with the Giga. I’m still waiting on a number if updates from elegoo in issues I called out to them
Hahha :)
HAHA too funny! I agree on the fixes we have all asked for, and hoping they get them to us soon!
Even though you guys are having challenges, you are the lucky few who get to test the printer before the public! I'm sure that feels really cool to be apart of even though issues are happening. Thank you for pointing them out for the vast majority of people who will be buying one in the future!
I'm hoping production costs don't kill them addressing early issues you guys are seeing. A front spool mount option makes worlds of sense, a longer power cord (even if it is just a few feet longer) would be nice, and it is sounding like we need some corner angle supports in increase rigidity, and reduce vibrations.
Somebody needs to beta test new printers and give feedback, so the average consumer later gets smoother experience.
But how do you feel about that? (Manufacturer sending free printers for you to beta test, bug hunt etc, spending time and nerves), is it fair?
This video is so valuable even though the process is frustrating. There will be backers who experience these exact issues and you are showing them things to look for and how to adjust them. We all read in the comments of the ( blank ) user group on Facebook how some people have no issues and other are tortured by their printers. You got the lemon for sure. And don’t worry you will always be in the cook kids crowd!
5:24 Q.C. Passed sticker. LOL
Seems to be a common issue with Elegoo products. Their latest printers and laser "cutter" were half-baked product as well.
This kind of experience is what I had with my Elegoo resin printer.
When you use 4 toolheads on one x axis, you can't assign different compensation heights from a mesh to each toolhead. You can't even use a mesh at all since the point value would apply to all toolheads. There are many more design flaws for a machine this size and I'm really looking forward for more content on that. I appreciate your work, effort and passion so 🖐back to you!
This is why I get what Elegoo did (not that I agree with it) - one of the major concerns about the Sovol SV04, even with the Z-axis offset adjustment knob on its second extruder, is that an uneven bed will lead to only Extruder 1 having accurate Z-axis compensation and Extruder 2 will be too close or too far away without warning. Same thing with the Stacker 3D S4XL we had at my last job - getting one print head properly leveled with the insane 9-point leveling system was hard enough, we gave up after getting two of the dependent print heads leveled because #3 and #4 were impossible to keep in the same plane.
All that being said, Elegoo's independent bed quadrant leveling system is still really dumb. A flat plane is defined by three points, a subject that has come up many times over the last 5-10 years when talking about printer beds with four leveling knobs...having nine adjustment points is a recipe for failure. Having nine adjustment points times four bed quadrants is possibly a Geneva Convention violation being committed on Elegoo's customers. Not that any ideas I have are necessarily any better, but for a ridiculously large and expensive printer maybe some pancake stepper motors to live adjust the Z-offset for each print head isn't all that terrible?
@@justinchamberlin4195 A plane is defined by 3 points is absolutely correct mathematically, but across a bed this size the real world is going to come knocking. That bed is going be sagging if you don't have supports across its face, all those springs and screws allow you dial in something resembling co-planar to the print head axis. Where just having 3 adjustment points either the bed is going to need to be heavier and stiffer than the entire rest of the machine to hold itself 'flat' against its own weight or the whole frame of the machine is what you are adjusting instead, which then means your probably wanting to build a delta printer...
And being so huge with only 3 points of contact/support the bed will then take on a major warp as it heats no doubt, not to mention as it had to be made so much heavier and stiffer to be even close to flat in the first place it has way more thermal mass to heat, so consumes way more energy to get to temperature. So by having all those screws and springs it really helps - the bed expands as heated but is now constrained much nearer the expected position because it is constrained across its whole surface and the small gap between the quadrants allows for each one to expand without actually having to deform out of plane, and the bed doesn't need to be super expensive thick and heavy to hold itself flat...
Then you have the simple practically that making a single piece bad that large with heater is going to be hugely wasteful of energy whenever you are not needing all 4 quadrants, nearly impossible to ship etc.
Seems like they have some quality control and design issues with the hot end but the mechanical concept is about as good as it can be in the real world. If you are not willing to put the effort in to calibrating your giant printer and its many heads you probably didn't need it in the first place... Or you have the money to build the machines upfront and printers that never stop running so you don't pay the huge heatup costs often to make a giant cast iron bed viable...
On the upside, you are helping a LOT by having these issues and getting by them while we watch. Its SUPER important research at this point
Oh Joel, your video reminders me badly to my experience with my craftbot flow idex. What I mean, I was back in the days only one step away from throwing 4000 euro out of the window. And the only reason why I not doing this: it’s a heavy metal beast and I don’t want to make damage to the more expensive windows :)
I can understand you so much! And I thought every really every people out there with experience in 3D printing understand that as well.
I have so many memories
with printers over the time.
The rage, the disappointment but otherwise: the Hoppe and excitement then the printer printers.
I’m wish you to never give up!
This is too big for the window
@@psxtuneservice Joel could throw it at Microsof Windos instead, might do a dent...
Sharing your honest experience is very much appreciated. Great video, Joel!
Hello Joel, we feel very sorry to see the interruption in your OrangeStorm Giga printing process. Regarding the issue of nozzle clogging, it's suggested to adjust and increase the clamping force of the extrusion clamp. When extruding rapidly, insufficient clamping force can lead to material piling up. Please refer to the specific operating steps on page 15 of the user manual. Additionally, we will promptly provide you with an update on the latest firmware version. Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to test the initial engineering prototype of OrangeStorm Giga. Your feedback is precious to us, and we look forward to your future updates.
Don't sell things that don't work as advertised
Typical Elegoo
Promise big, deliver an unfinished beta product, blame the customer, play stupid, release half baked firmware that makes things worse, give up, announce the next big thing, rinse and repeat
When I first saw these landing in UA-cam land i saw that 4 bed configuration and 'nope'd' right out. Seeing this many issues (across the board, not just your Joel) is just very disappointing. This thing is under engineered and considering the amount of videos i've seen, getting over-hyped, when it needs to go back to the drawing board. This model is experimental at best and I'm sad to see you go thru this much frustration. Here's hoping Elegoo can do better for you and especially for anyone who paid money for this machine when it eventually reaches production.
Production versions start arriving this month. Fixing time is short!
OMG, thank you for pointing out the key on the bed mesh level. The number of times I've seen someone go "My printer's bed is a taco/mountain range/so out of spec/not flat" etc. and they show the pic... and then I look at the key and it's like < 0.4mm difference from highest to lowest... I just sigh and go "you're looking for reasons to complain". So explaining "this looks like a mountain BUT LOOK AT THE KEY" brought a small tear to my eye and I wish people would actually pay attention to that instead of the picture. (cue waiting for people to show in the comments saying they do look at the key).
I can understand the frustration around the bed leveling. My first printer (2016) had 4 screws to adjust level and you adjusted it with a torx. You ran leveling and it would say "the front left screw needs to be turned 735 degrees clockwise". Wait, what? Done. "the rear left screw needs to be turned 64,024 degrees counter clockwise" ... excuse me while I go to the forums and ask what the heck. Seeing the latest Prusas, Bambu, and... honestly, I'm not sure if anyone else does it to the same perfection that those 2 do, but being able to just go "here's a bed plate, print" and to go on with your life. I don't know how so many are still going back to square 1. It just feels like someone missed the memo on what users want.
The sad part for me is "this is how you kill someone's love for printing" especially if it's their first printer, or perhaps the only one they can fit. Reviewers have become the beta testers, meaning the reviews can't be trusted as it's almost certain to be different when it comes out. You're not the first UA-camr who got some very hyped machine and got issues with it and continued to have issues after talking with the company and getting replacements, while others post their prints... and while I doubt you'll get villainized like they did, I do still worry it becomes the outlier that gets ignored but could be indicative of additional problems that get ignored.
I hope you get that success.
Hell will freeze right over before I. buy that or any other Elegoo printer. If Elegoo can’t get a working printer out to a UA-cam presenter, how do they expect to get one out to regular home hobbyist.
sorry to hear about the issue! I have been lucky it was super quick to put together and honestly I did not level the bead (outside the software leveling) and it works good so far nothing failed yet and im about to start a huge print that will be on all 4 beds. fingers crossed
My first thought seeing all these Giga is that I don’t want to bend over to the floor to pick up a print. I like that you built a stand for it.
That table has been a lifesaver!
My most jaw dropping realization from this was actually that 1200W is reasonably close to the limit of a normal circuit in a US household. That's so comically low. For us EU-ians, outlets normally do 3680W (16A * 230V). Of course you don't usually run anywhere near that, but you should be able to.
Seriously appreciate your honesty Joel. I have a problem with established companies using KickStarter to launch a new product, it is an affront to what kickstarter was intended for. I will never pre-order another 3D printer long as I am breathing. I pre-ordered a Qidi Xmax3 and it was a nightmare with all the issues I have had along with stuff that was broken and over-tightened from the factory. I just had to rebuild the entire CoreXY system which forced me to disassemble almost the entire printer, took about 3 days to complete and had to get my engineer son in law to help with belt routing. The big issue I see with all of these companies is they are not normal end user friendly. Those of us who have mechanical and electronics skills can muddle their way through repairs, but the average person cannot, and they have zero options for taking the printer to a repair shop to have the work done. I think it would be disturbing to know how many 3D printers are sitting broken in the corner of someone's basement collecting cobwebs because they are left out in the cold by a seriously flawed customer support model that has become the norm.
I wonder if the problem could be with the tension or slack on the filament. If you print something in farthest corner from the spool, then move to underneath the spool, unless your printing is using up the slack, it's going to be building up a lot of slack in the line. Slack which could end up pushing on the filament in the extruder, rather than the extruder pulling it.
Joel, when i found your channel it was at the beginning of my 3DPrinting experience. You shared the ups and downs of 3DPrinting.
Many years later you're still sharing your experiences now that 3DPrinting has advanced. To that is say... Thank You!
Your ups and downs with the new styles and advancements is still and truly a benefit to the 3DPrinting community.
Aww that’s really kind of you to say! Thank you!
Dang Joel, this is rough. I feel you though.. I have had some failures happen too, and will detail them in my video that's coming up soon. I also printed the Fixumdude Intercepter and love it! But it was some work getting there for sure. I hope you get it up and working becuase we all can't wait to see what huge things you print next!! Remeber kids, the bigger the printer, the bigger the fails! haha
As you work for or receive payment in kind from Bambu labs, it is difficult to understand your opinion.
@@NLPexperts I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I don't work for bambu lab, And their brand has nothing to do with this printer. Can you help me understand what you are saying? A lot of us review a lot of different printer brands and also get paid affiliate money. If people buy said printers. Does that mean you don't trust anybody's points because we all get paid somehow from all different companies?
@TheEdgeofTech you are a Bambu 3d printer affiliate, in your own words. In the comment you are criticising their competition. In English, we call this payment in kind ingenuine promotion.
@@NLPexperts I understand what you are saying, but all of us have affiliate links. Are you criticizing Joel because he has had a bad experience with this printer, but has affiliates for other printers? I said I had a good experience too. I have printed some crazy stuff with my Giga and will do a video soon! I just did a bridge test and got 800mm bridging! That's crazy cool! So actually I like my machine, but it does have it's quirks too!
Glad someone telling it as is and not sugar coating it. 👍
You are actually the second person on youtube I have seen, where the nozzle hits the plates and damage them.
I could tell you need a hug. It's going to be ok. I promise. But seriously, THANK YOU, I'm glad it's you, not me. Elegoo will listen to you and not me. Great public service.
Reliability in producing such volume is a priority IMO
I hope these details get knocked out before mine arrives in August, but I would rather wait additional time if they guarantee I won't have large print anxiety.
the extruder issue is not exclusive to the OrangeStorm Giga, neptune 4 users have been complaining about it since the printer was released last year, and by the look of the internals, its almost the same design save for the new hotend
Hey! This 3D printing concept is getting wild! Instead of the usual filament, what if we built objects layer-by-layer from the inside out? Imagine a spinning container where we spray a special resin or even tiny wires, one layer at a time, with a UV light to cure it all in place. We could even have a robotic arm pick and place small components inside as we build! This way, we could create objects with different materials on the inside and outside, or even sneaky compartments hidden within. It's like building a treasure chest layer by layer! This might be a simpler way to get started with this "inside-out 3D printing" idea. What do you think? Could this be a cool new way to make things?
You're a lot more patient than I'd be. Hopefully they sort it
Your frustration and experience is the foundation for helping this product become great one day. It sucks, but your frustration now is helping avoid thousands of customers' frustration in the future. Thanks for the work you do.
I double dog dare you to have Bob Marley singing "Jammin" in the background next time. Better yet, compile a clip of nothing but jamming and clearing instances with that song playing, then follow with a revelation video of that problem solved and include intro song of Don't Worry Be Happy". GOOD LUCK!
Sorry for the frustration you are experiencing, that is exactly why I don't have an elegoo orange storm. I saw so many people having issues with the smaller elegoo fdm printers that I canceled my pledge for the storm. Figured I would wait until they figured out how to make a reliable printer before I got into their fdm eco system. I already played all these games with my first printer, a creality ender 3. My Bambu just works! My Uniformation GK2 just works. Why can't Elegoo figure this out?
I absolutely know the feeling you have right now Joel, I went through the same thing with my creality ender 3 s1 pro, problem after problem. Finally I said enough and got a Bambu Lab P1S. Never looked back, best of luck with the Elegoo LemonStorm Giga
I appreciate alpha testers such as yourself, and the beta testers to come much later. With luck and hard work, this product may be ready for consumers in a year or two.
I empathize with your pain and frustration, Joel. At least Adobe was paying you to be a beta tester.
Omg I actually chuckled out loud.
It's a bummer that you are having such a hard time with this printer everyone else seems to be having a blast with, but at least you are discovering some really important things they can improve on.
Most everyone I know with this machine has had the nozzle carve into the build plate.
first thing i would have done. run down to the glass shop and have a custom mirror cut that is the full build size of the bed and use that instead. you would probably have a better easier time leveling a single piece of thick mirror glass than the 4 individual plates. you will lose a tiny bit of Z but if you make the mirror thick it will be VERY flat.
I wonder to what extent it’s bad luck - mine has been relatively trouble free so far. But, given about 10 content creators have gotten an Orange storm Giga, a 1 in 10 failure rate is concerning.
Cool video Joel. Thanks for letting everyone know about this.
I have a Neptune Max 4, and leveling that crap took MONTHS! it worked great for about 1 month then went to hell and after many upgrades it's working "ok", ended up buying a bambu lab p1s for smaller prints and only use the Max for anything that won't fit on it.
With the Giga, technically I have FOUR Neptune 4 Max printers ;)
@@3DPrintingNerd indeed, I feel your pain! Good luck my max doesn't seem to work with the bed mesh, and you'll likely only get the best result with their dated cura software 😵
@@nooblaI have a Neptune 3 Max and use Prusa Slicer, And sometimes the Elegoo Cura software. The machine operates flawlessly, After I discovered a software issue.
When I first got my machine. It worked flawlessly. So, I tried my hand at customizing some settings, And started getting bad prints.
So I changed all of my settings back to default. But even after reverting to the default settings.
The machine still wouldn't print as good as it did when I first got it.
After a couple months. I needed to reformat my pc, And reinstall everything. Because I like to keep my pc running in peak condition.
It was then that I realized it was never the machine that was causing the printing issues. It was something going on with the slicer software.
Because even though I changed the slicer settings back to default, The prints still looked like garbage.
But after the pc reformat, And reinstalling drivers and software. The machine was printing as good as new again.
Haven't have a single issue with the machine since then.
This is exactly the (delivery) status I feared and why I didn't jump on board.
I keep seeing these: "Quick, quick, put something together, we need something for marketing" printers.
And then in half a year they realize that the "quick, quick mess" can't be made to work because far too many things have simply been "designed" incorrectly (if anyone has designed anything at all and not simply improvised something on the spot). And then? The thing is simply declared dead and ignored and the next marketing stunt is pitched on Kickstarter.
This sounds like a word for word re-telling of my Elegoo Neptune 4 experience. It feels like a huge win if you can even get to what should be out-of-the-box performance. The hardware's all there, just doesn't seem to want to use it the right ways.
I mean this in the best way possible, but I'm glad you're struggling. Because it's you, Elegoo must take you seriously, which means these quirks need to get resolved, and the rest of us gain the opportunity to buy an affordable giant printer with a better chance of working for us. We all really appreciate your patience!
This is just like my Kingroon KLP1 issues. I cannot trust the machine and so it was sold dirt cheap to someone that wanted my headache
It sounds like you must've got the printer intended for Uncle Jessie. (Seriously, that dude has so many problems with machines that perform flawlessly for other people, I'm convinced he gets sent ones that are screwed up on purpose.)
The printer not realising there's a plug is about the only thing the X1C doesn't automate, so I very much feel your pain. I can usually just print out the rest of the part and then solvent-weld them together, but that wouldn't be very viable in your case. Good luck!
(Also, 13 Amps?! My crappy townhouse only has a 60 amp MAINS feed. I'm suddenly very glad I decided this was way to big to be useful, because that printer would be using up 25% of my entire home's electrical capacity.)
Interesting how different the experience is to Dr.D-Flo
There are a fair number of people with this machine, and everyone has had a different experience. That's not a good thing :(
Dr.D-Flo's issue with the limit sensor getting ripped off by the exposed filament wasn't great either... sounds like a product that's still in Beta phase.
We call that a typical elegoo experience 😂 even if it prints well out of the box, just wait because hell is going to break loose very soon
It sounds a lot like its retracting too far I started having those issues with my ender 3 pro after upgrading to a all metal hot end. Got through the first print fine but it used minimal retraction everything else would fail once it had to really retract. clogged in the exact same way formed a plug you couldn't push in hard to pull out and works great the second you cut off the plug or change filament (until the next time it needs to retract hard again).
Big enough to sit in and print a hat on your head. That's what I've always wanted.
sounds to me a 3dprinter company is yet again using paying costumers for beta testing.... You'd think we are past that at this point in time...
To be fair joel is the most patient and understanding person I've ever seen, he doesn't get mad and yell or hit it with his car he works for a solution in situations others would walk away mad
@@TheNetworkingGuy tell that to the Ender 7
Except they aren't, he literally said it at the end it's a review unit and it's supposed to be done to get feedback so the Kickstarter backers don't have to deal with this.
TBF they aren't selling them yet, and this is roughly what I'd expect from a Kickstarter printer.
What do they expect, they support an established company in a product that doesn't gain anything from crowdfunding. It's the own fault of anybody who ordered it.
Gamers are starting to realize that one shouldn't pre-order, maybe one day 3d printing people will learn it as well.
I hope I will buy a Giga one day, but that's only if it's actually a decent quality product. Same reason I only just now ordered a Prusa XL - I know it's real world strengths and weaknesses
To be fair 3D printing is still a new thing. I don't expect it to be as easy as your every day office printers.
Dang. Hope to see this machine printing gloriously big things soon. It has so much potential
I really hope so too.
Thank you, Joel, Your info has made it clear that I will never buy an Elegoo OrangeStorm Giga or any other product from this company. Also If somehow won one in a raffle I would make sure to sell it or give it to my most hated enemy.
I have a neptune 3 max that has been flawless.
I would hope that elegoo pays you full msrp back for that printer, you've earned every penny. Keep up the great work !
according to my understanding the probe offset was totally wrong at the beginning. If the mean value of the mesh is appr. -5mm fade out cannot work. On my printers I try to keep mesh mean at 0. This is the way it is intended (as I understand it).
It feels like a trip back to printing 10 years ago
Yeah this has been a constant issue with the Neptune 4 line of printers. Elegoo keeps claiming that they are working on new firmware for the last 4ish months without any updates. I gave up and bought a bambu lab. Its to much heart break and time for me to continue working on the printer
The Elegoo 3 Max is the biggest paper weight I own. It also dug into the print bed and wrecked itself.
Joel is like joy personified. So to see him actually get mad you KNOW it's bad!
gutted to see you having problems, love my Elegoo machine and had high hopes for this one, let’s hope they take onboard your feedback 👌
I run klipper on my original ender 3 and I have had bed leveling issues for awhile. I finally changed my start gcode to load mesh everytime. It helped.
For my ender 3 the biggest thing that fixed my bed leveling issues was getting a glass bed. Now I rarely have to adjust it.
I love that after watching this, I looked at my 4 Plus and thought "aw good job, little guy". I used to feel it was too large for my office.
I just assembled mine today and left the Lychee Slicer office with a (little bigger than usual) benchy printing that looked nice after 1h30 of printing. The assembly, leveling, vibration compensation, and such were no problem. I'll start big prints tomorrow. It's sad to see that you had such a bad experience with the printer.
Hey Joel, thank you for trouble shooting for us - and please keep up the good mood, because at the end, you will have the printer that has made the greatest sacrifices for the 3D print community. 🙂
Working at a shop that sells Elegoo printers, it's nice to see the process you're having to go through, which makes me feel a bit more prepared if we ever actually get these printers in for sale. Not that I think we'd be able to fit them anywhere xD
that voltage bit you said at 10:03 should be a pinned comment on every review for this printer
You don't want rigid posts for the bed mounting, you need something you can compress. Silicone vacuum tubing would be my suggestion. The Sovol SV06 Plus ships with rigid standoffs, making it impossible to adjust the bed.
I still think this is a REALLY cool printer for the money if you could get it at the $1250 price. Over that, I mean it becomes a bigger question, pun intended. It could use some more development and improvement. Hope yours is in fully working order soon! Maybe be the first to mod it and just through an Orbiter and more standard extruder on it, hahaha. With a big ol' nozzle like it should have!
A far cry from a plug and play Prusa, but a good source of content. You'll get at least a dozen videos out of it.
I like people who don't try to review the machine like it's supposed to read your mind and spit out a print.
I agree, the fact a machine this big doesn't have a sensor to detect jams in the hotend could mean HUGE wasted prints and time. An addition like that seemed COMPLETLY obvious, how could they not include it, even if they had to charge a little more? I'd gladly pay a little extra for peace of mind. As is, every print is a potential time bomb just waiting to jam. Come on Elegoo don't rush this out with a million issues. I backed you guys on Kickstarter, I was looking forward to this, but if all it bring is headache, I'm out.
Man the newest 3d printing tool the hacksmith lightsaber get me one of those!!!!
It comes in SO HANDY
This review is like you managed to get a transcript of all of my experiences using my Neptune 2 and 3.
Lol the Red Giant Universe license warning is so relatable. Thank you for the honest thoughts! We don't always get those from "reviewers"
I feel your pain Joel. It took me back to bed levelling all of my sprung mounted beds from over the years in one go 😢 like a recurring bad dream. Thanks for your efforts with this and helps to make us mere mortals know that we are not alone when we get printer strife. 😂
hahaha. we all stand together, arms linked, and looking skyward towards a future of no bed springs. :)
@3DPrintingNerd Ha ha, please PLEASE printer manufacturers NO MORE SPRINGS. We don't like them, printers don't like them and the springs clearly hate us!!! So do us all a favour, NO MORE SPRINGS.
An Elegoo printer that’s released before it’s ready. What a surprise. Sounds like my experience with the Neptune 4 max I ended up returning.
Tbf this is still a preproduction unit
@@BelviGER My Neptune 4 max wasn’t. Hopefully they get the bugs sorted out but they don’t have a good track record.
This is so crazy. I didn't expect that the biggest problem with this printer would be the extruder and hotend. But yeah, this entire build platform is not a very good idea. How do you keep the bed springs from changing the level over time?
It's incredible that a machine that should pump huge amout of plastics for hours pulling close to 1500watts has no failsafe to save prints. Such a waste of money and ressources! Let's hope the next video isn't titled: OrangeStorm Giga waste of time!
I _really_ hope that isn't the title of the next OrangeStorm Giga video :)
No Joel, you're awesome! Keep at it so we can see what cool things you decide to print with it!
Hopefully your troubleshooting will benefit others that get this monster printer.
I got so excited and bummed at the same time when I saw your video. I was wondering how there were able to make this monster for so cheap, because they use people like you for testing and development!
Having the screw adjustment is a pain but great to have. With Prusa printers we do the nylock mod to do the same thing. The problem with rigid posts is that as the bed goes through heat cycles it warps and rigid posts do not compensate properly for for the warp. Prusa does use rigid posts and those beds are not flat.
You should definitely add for the "mesh" section the setting "zero_reference_position: 400,400" and make sure do your z_offset calibration at 400,400. And you should load the plane measured before you do z_offset calibration. That will ensure your probed plane is meaured to be around plus/minus zero and not from minus something to minus something and it will ensure you don't drive into the bed. What you encountered is a config error because Elegoo didn't realized some config changes needed for newer version of Klipper.
I had a very similar jam issue with a printer before, the solution for me was lowering retraction to an absurdly low number or completely off, it gets the printer work but it does lower print quality. The issue for me was that when the printer retracted, the filament was still soft or molten and would expand, but then it would be bigger than the diameter of the heat break and so couldn't push itself back into the hotend. I have no idea if it's the same issue but I hope this helps!
well for direct drive i use 0.5mm and its good enough.
I was there during that live!!!
I still had fun! :)
Yeah you did, Reds!
This is also my experience with an Elegoo Neptune 4... leveling the bed takes forever, and it'll straight up plunge the head into the print bed if you have the wrong build plate on... they also have no info on their website about which is the right build plate to buy if you need a new one. It came with all the leveling screws maxed out at the lowest setting... I've had the head crash a couple of times for seemingly no reason, and at least once because I tried to use a different print bed.
Getting prints to stick is also a nightmare.
So sad. Thabk you for your hard work. The company should pay you as a beta tester!
i feel the pain regarding elegoo printers. been fighting to get a great print with mine. should have sent it back when i got it with the defects it had instead of trying to fix it. think you got a real consumer model and not the ones custom built for the advertisers, er i mean youtubers
Yes, definitely needs a better filament sensor. May try installing a BTT Smart Filament Sensor v2 on the system, it has the clog detection for if the filament stops moving.
Thanks for this video. Your final comment was what struck me, about your trials being beneficial in ensuring KS backers don't go through the same issues. Is that realistic given Elegoo are shipping out to backers this month (according to Grace Lau)?
An Elegoo product that doesn't work? Who would have thought?!
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Honestly, given they haven't even finished fixing the Neptune 4 series' issues, I thought it was baffling they decided to release this as a product. No surprises that it's also been a nightmare thus far
@@Superchunk-k2h Genuinely find it baffling that the Neptune line of printers are still so broken yet Elegoo decided to put resources into this as a product. It was only going to end up in disaster
a printer with a bed that big, having a reliable extruder should have been the first thing that company made sure worked flawlessly (or like you said had some sort of sensor so if it did jam, you could finish the print job even if 1200watts was being wasted just sitting idle while you slept).
One more note. I love the fixed build plate style of my FLSUN delta printers. No plate adjustments, I'm just terrible at doing that!!
Even in the duplication configuration like your animation showed what you're describing's not going to work if you adjust the nozzles and not the bed then one nozzle will clear its part of the bed but then as the other nozzle moves left to right if that nozzle is lower and the left side of the bed is higher it's going to crash into the bed
What you need is all four nozzles at exactly the same height relative to each other which means you have to adjust the level at the bed plane not at the nozzle plane which means you need to adjust 36 screws
Do you know? - as I look at the developments in 3D printing, what do I see, bigger, faster, heavier. They are printing rocket nozzles for heaven sake - mind blowing. What isn't being done apparent! Printing extremely small on a micro-millimeter scale. What would that look like? I think there could be some very interesting possibilities.
Finally, a creator who has the same problems as us, ordinary charging users with elegoo, creality anycubic etc.