Dead Poets Society - "Rip it out" scene
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let's be honest if every teacher was like him no one would skip school.
yes
We would also not have textbooks 😂
There’d be a lot more young boys committing suicide. That’s for sure
I had some really great teachers like him and stopped going to school anyways. Life is about living and some see a classroom as a cage.
so true OMG 🤣
Poetry is meant to be understood not calculated
Not necessarily even 'understood', rather 'felt'. But I get your point
And appreciation of it subjective, not something that can be rated objectively.
How does one measure literature by empirical means? Do they take the number of words divided by the chapters or stanzas, then multiply every syllable, solve for X? Excrement indeed.
Hi, Pranav. That's your opinion, indeed, I would agree with you. But what does that have to do my point? Cheers.
@@Meesterlijker I'd say the fact that you felt it means you've understood its message.
This scene gives a perfect example of the difference between classicism (rationalism) and romanticism (emotion).
Well I think those two literary periods are unfitting to describe this scene, sure romanticism prefers a focus on the emotions, while classicism shows a preference for reason and logic. However, they overlap, particularly classicism is familiar with emotion, such as nostalgia. So I think that two more fitting literary periods would be the Enlightenment (rationalism) and Storm and Stress (emotion).
Or between art and science.
In my high school American Literature class, we also had a poetry book with a terrible introduction. My teacher said we could rip it out like in Dead Poet’s Society. When we read the poem “O Captain! My Captain!” we stood on our desks.
Poetry books probably don’t have introductions anymore 😂
@@Coneman3 Lol probably not. Or kids might be using their iPads/ebooks.
"Rip and tear...."
"You're not going to go to Hell for this..."
"I don't hear enough RIP!"
That photo from Good Will Hunting of his platoon...
OH MY GOD! Robin Williams was the Doom Marine!
Even if it had been the Bible, I don't think they'd have gone to hell for this.
this movie had a treasure trove of great scenes - a shame more people can't see beyond their noses when teaching children about life
this is a battle - a war - and the casualties can be your hearts and souls - truer words were never spoken
One of my favourite movie scenes. J Evans Pritchard is a perfect example of a non-creative person trying to explain the creative process. Something he has absolutely ZERO comprehension, so he relies on his own rigid, mathematical formulas to try to figure out how creatives draw outside the lines. And because of his total lack of imagination, still comes to the conclusion that you MUST draw inside the lines. If you want to have creative kids, give them a pen and a blank piece of paper. If you want to raise dullards, give them colouring books.
this scene altered my brain chemistry forever
My 7th Grade English teacher was just like this. My favorite teacher of all time
I admit this reminds me of that episode of The Office when Michael Scott starts ripping the pages out of the student's economic textbook. Given that Michael is a big Robin Williams fan, this scene was probably his inspiration.
I remember Van Wilder 2 scene.😂 "Damn, these pages aren't getting ripped even this book is of 1600's! Throw the entire book out!"
Teacher like that is like a breath of fresh air, not just another brick in the wall
"That you are here-that life exists and identity,
That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse." -----Walt Whitman
It just hit me. "You will learn to think for yourselves again! That's why I badgered you all into destroying a perspective I don't agree with!"
For all this movie's pretense, it's actually pretty anti-intellectual. This scene is a great demonstration of that. Rather than having a spirited intellectual discussion about the technical, aesthetic, and philosophical aspects of poetry and literature, and to what degree they can be objectively analyzed, he blithely declares another academic's perspective 'excrement' as though it were objective fact then tells his students to cause damage to a textbook for no discernable reason.
well yeah if the point he's trying to get across is "think for yourselves" then them annihilating the idea of "think only inside this stated box" then he got his point across pretty effectively. it wasn't "an" opposing point of view, it was the complete antithesis of the message he was trying to get across
In order to become a free thinking spirit, one first needs to learn to defy framed thought patterns such as the one by Pritchard.
@@Robert-hz9bj JJ. ROBERTS
No, he then goes into explaining why he wanted them to rip out the introduction. He wanted them to understand that poetry is important and not something you just measure.
I was brought to tears at the majesty of those words and that riveting performance. For a moment, wished I for that vigor of youth and those past times of boundless optimism. But alas, there is today only disinformation, a Ministry of Truth, filth and plastic excitement and manufactured desolation and war.
theres a party in my tummy (so yummy so yummy)
8 years ago today the world lost Robin Williams😰❤️
August 11th, 2014
If you freeze the video at 2:02 you can see the opening paragraph as Neil, and later Cameron, read it, and you can see it is a complete match. However, it looks like Neil read two paragraphs if you look closely.
I think Mr mcallister learned a lesson from keating aswell. At the end of film he's teaching students outside like keating
Yes, that's the idea of him teaching the class outside and using the building parts to teach Latin words.
Goosh, How come we never had teachers like this
- Mr. Keating... I didn't know you were here...
- I am! 😁
Oh, I took this so literally when I saw this in the theater! LOL!
I really like this scene.
The Fugitive 1922-1925 were some of the best poetry.
This hit me hard❤
This is why Charlie was the best student for Mr. Keating.
I disagree. Charlie needed Keating the least. He didn't need much coaxing because on a visceral level he was already the most free thinking of the group.
Cameron is the only one who copies what Keating puts on the board, notice? And when he hears Keating's analysis, he crosses it out. Seeing that moment in the theater got a laugh from the audience.
This film was a huge influence on how I taught in the classroom for 31 years...had an A to Z idea about a daily lesson, but it
was a stream of consciouness path. No better way to teach Am Hist and Philosophy. Used this film in my Phil class. Kids
loved this film...compared it with "Blackboard Jungle". Miss my classroom...too much bullshit now...
He called the introduction for what it was : BS. Just look at the chalkboard a little more closely.
I just noticed that for the first time. But the BS is really initials for Byron and Shakespeare, which were in the intro. Keating just used first letters for everything except the GREAT to save time.
In a similar vein, I find musical analysis by musicologists to be of similar merit and usefulness.
This scene, in part, made me want to be a teacher.
How often do you tell them to rip up their textbooks?
It inspired me to be a teacher as well.
@@MrOdsplut It inspires me too. If I had the resources, I would try to replicate this scene.
I tried to do this with my physics students but I got fired :(
Did you tell your students to rip the Newton's laws' pages from their books?
Oh, like Keating, huh?
something similar should be done in most economics lessons that simplifies human actions and preferences of millions of people into curves
Crimes of Keating:
Crime 1: Destruction of property.
1:23 With that Sweater and Glasses, the actor playing Neil; Robert Sean Leonard. Kinda looks like Steve Ditko era Peter Parker.
I think this “ understanding poetry” IS important in 2024 considering AI. Often AI poems are missing meter, figures of speech,objective and how the objective is rendered.
3:27 - What was the original line that was dubbed?
Rip Robin Williams
Wilsoooon!!!
❤❤❤😊😊😊
Robin: Rip and Tear
Demons:
Art is subjective. Mostly. If you try to hard to pin it down, you "Miss the Forrest for the trees". The woods are pretty and quiet. And amazing on their own. But more so shared with like minded company. Too often we analyze an experience rather than fully live it.
Two things that don’t match: numbers and words; you can’t apply mathematic to poetry
What happened to scenes like this?
Not enough CGI, diversity and LGBTQ kissing going on.
Does anyone know if that second "...and you, may contribute a verse." was scripted or improv'd!
It almost seemed improvised. Would like to know
Great movie. I actually went to see it before popular. Each time I watch it gets better perhaps. Not sure this reflects actual learning experience. Join the conversation. Is this a great movie? Why or why not?
I saw it in the theater and when Cameron crossed out the graph he copied because Mr. Keating put it on the board, the audience laughed.
What a game changing play. Momentum swings very pivotal in team ball. Unity!
...and for the rest of them, let them continue to choke while granny runs after them with a weed whacker gumming on a cracker! 🍘
Love this movie, love this scene and love Williams, but I gotta be honest, I kindda agree with dr. Pritchard PhD… I think he has the right of it.
Did they have paper shredders back then?
I think so, but what were they going to do, have the students line up in front of one to shred the pages?
I have to ask, did anything like that ''graph'' concept in the textbook preface ever actually exist? Or was it just some bullshit made up by the movie to give the instructor a fictional ''establishment'' villain to rebel against?
As best I can tell, it's made up, as is the whole "J Evans Pritchard" character.
@@joshweiner4645 I figured. Few things are more insufferable than a person, movie, novel, or show feeling smug for defeating a fictional straw-man of their own invention...
There is actually something worse than just a rationalist approach to poetry criticism. The Humanities are now overrun by political idealogues who wish to destroy the essential heart of Literature by perverting it towards rescuing the unrepresented minorities and debasing the standards of Literature studies. Read Harold Bloom for wise insight and deep literary criticism.
@@Robert-hz9bjSo do you think that a fictional script should only draw it’s names and figures from real life? Your criticism of this element of the film is confusing. It’s worth mentioning that there are academics out there who approach poetry similarly to this “strawman”. I looked up if Pritchard was real as well after seeing the film, I hated the notion of his character so much! In my search I also came across “real” scales on which to measure poetry. I think they’re all bullshit :)
Fantastic movie except the suicide
What suicide? The movie ends at the play and Neil and Todd get married and live happily ever after
Scribblomation Which version of the movie did you watch!?
@@georgeso4364 The better one ):
@@drwilsonstoenailpolish3194 AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for giving that away, you blabbermouth!
❤
I'm sure everyone has noticed, but when Keating gives the waste basket to Neil to pass around, his lips do not match what he is saying.
I’m still gonna use the Pritchard method, it sounds good
What Dr. Perrine/Pritchard was trying to say is that some works of literature are more important than others. This is an idea that should be engaged with, not dismissively ripped out.
Agreed
He didn't recycle all the pages that were ripped out.
Now when the Nazis did something like this they were rightly condemned. When the Soviets pulped the material of Boris Pasternak, they too were rightly condemned.
In fact if this film was intended as a film about 'a cult' then indeed it is a masterpiece. But really for that to have been the case, it would require a DPS 2. There wasn't one, so I assume it is simply a piece of Hollywood pap.
You have clearly missed the entire point of this scene
@@imakequestionablechoices7446 Hi, you are clearly a fan boy/girl. As such you assume I misunderstand - it's convenient. I understand the scene, it's not complicated. It's the protagonist's response that is the problem.
Now, if you'd been just a little curious you'd have understand, from my examples that that was my concern.
But then cult thinking has no room for curiosity.
@@peterdowney1492 Actually, I've never watched the movie, simply fell down a youtbue wormhole. The point of this scene is not to form a cult, in fact it's intentions are the opposite. The thinking demonstrated in the book that poems must be measured to prove their greatness is instead what leaves no room for curiosity. Whilst I do not condone the destruction of literature and do very much understand the significance of the oppression of knowldege and critical thinking throughout history. Furthermore, whilst I agree with you that that is a serious subject, this scene is not about the ripping of the books. It is partly about grabbing attention, not only of the students in the movie, but that of the audience and as such many books had to suffer, but it is more importantly about the liberty of thinking in the world of poetry. Poetry is so vast and versatile, lending itself to many a format and subject, that it is infact near impposible to compare or' measure' poems as the book instructed students to do so.
@@imakequestionablechoices7446 Hi, I haven't read beyond your first two points. You haven't watched the film??
How can you hope to put the scene in context without having done so? You then say the intention was not to set up a cult. I never said it was his intention. I think you need to read what it is I've written. Be curious and stop shooting from the hip. Cheers.
@@peterdowney1492 apologies if I misunderstoood something in your comment, english is only my third language. That said, you sould read beyond those first two points, after all, how can you hope to put them in context without having done so. That said, I do agree with your encouragment of curiosity, it is important to maintain critical and logical thinking especially in this day and age.
This could also be interpreted in a different way. That not everything taught in school or in books is correct. That our societies are full of flaws and contradictions.
I hate the way they make a hero out of this Keating bastard. I agree with most of his pedagogical insights and strategies except the way he let down that boy who had trouble with his dad was awful.
💀
He's not professional.
Good
As a mathematician, I ended up hating my English classes because they precisely treated poetry and literature in a mechanical way. I don't want literature and poetry to be treated the way mathematics and science to be treated. There is beauty in math, but it is an entirely different beauty than in literature.