Thanks man Someone had to address this issue. Developers are giving up their time and money to contribute to the community so it is is our responsibility to help them and give them the respect they deserve.
First, it's my pleasure to post this. It's important that we make it clear, open source is a community, and we need to be good members of that community.
Over the course of the last year or so I've made an effort to reach out to project developers to let them know I'm interested in featuring their project and to let them know that they may get an influx of traffic on their project as a result. I've also encouraged my viewers to go support the project on their repository pages and whatnot. I think what you're doing in this video is great. The explanation of what "free" means will hopefully help others do better.
To provide a point of view from someone on the other side of this, seeing my software featured, explored and positively spoken about on videos like those that you and @AwesomeOpenSource have put out, is a great feeling and has been a big motivator in development and taking the project further. I can relate to the comments featured in this video though for sure. The social dynamics and demands of open source can hit hard, and in ways you're not prepared for, especially when starting out from a perspective of just wanting to share a cool thing you made.
1. Hope you are doing well my friend! 2. Thank you for your words of support, and for being an open source advocate! 3. Love your channel. 4. When you're ready, let me know and we'll do some awesome open source content together. 5. Thank you for supporting and helping move open source forward with your content.
Thank you so much for making an open source project as awesome as Bookstack! I use it all the time, and love it. You are the exact reason I make open source content. Because I love open source, and want to see it thrive.
I appreciate this video/topic. We live in a world were people are too entitled. They expect everything but give nothing. Like you said, most open source is volunteer time towards something people are passionate about. I had a blog for a little bit but I took it down because I was tired of being treated like crap by people who complained about everything. I'm a bigger person than they are but I was tired of emails and IMs from angry Karens. Its sad. I gladly support prodjects and people like yourself. Keep up the good work
Thank you. And yes, sadly this is just how some people are. The ones who abuse the system are really and truly the minority out of us all, but they are a very loud minority. So we need to be an even louder majority.
The "free" in free software is quite possibly one of the greatest sources of confusion about the open source model, philosophy and movement. Thanks for making this much needed video. More of us need to appreciate FOSS developers and projects should also be monetised or support feature development through crowdfunding, etc. Btw, when you get time, please check out the new all-in-one Mail Server by Stalwart Labs which supports both IMAP and JMAP.
Thanks for the input, and for watching. I'd love to see more crowdfunding efforts in open source for sure. I'll definitely check out Stalwart Labs. Thanks for the suggestion.
Hello Brian, that is absolutely right and I have to realize that I also had the same expectations of the creators of open source software. Thank you for opening my eyes with this video to the fact that open source software is a gift that should also be considered as such. I'll definitely keep that in mind for the future.
Thanks so much for your input on this subject. It is mind blowing how some people have these "It is all about me" attitudes in this day and time. Us oldtimers just have a different way about us, we are actually appreciative when people spend time and money to provide something costfree that helps us. ( I turned 75 last election day). But I have been doing computer tech stuff since the early 80's, and still do stuff for family and friends and whomever I can assist. I appreciate you and your bringing great projects to our attention. Yes, some of your videos are quite lengthy, but in most cases the length is beneficial because of the details. I for one, appreciate you and what you do. Best Regards from a fellow nerd in North Florida
Great Video. Nowadays that's how people treat "Free" things. I try my best to donate to all Open Source projects i use. When i have an issue i try my best to resolve it if I can't I'll search around for an answer.
This! I’ll probably make a Wiki page on it eventually, but i want to document my thoughts on “Open Source Taxes”. Basically make a list of various OS Groups and how one would kind of divy up donations to all of them. Once i get a more stable income with my new job and whatnot i *really* want to dive in on all that. Haven’t done so yet due to all that, but granted the other stuff is great, but in our current economic system, people just need *money* and as you said, even small amounts add up. Thanks as always for the great video!
Funny enough, they could just be someone having a tough day. They may just be frustrated because they watched a video from 2 years ago, that doesn't exactly work now. I think it's important that we as a community help solve problems, and encourage better interactions. It's not always easy, but if a community does it together, the few will either fall into that same method of interaction, or move on.
@@AwesomeOpenSource you are absolutely correct, however it is more than ever a forgotten attitude to be thankful. So: Thank YOU for your AwesomeOSS content!! 👍
@@AwesomeOpenSource If everyone had the patience and empathy which you so eloquently portray, life (online or offline) would be much more pleasant for everyone. Stay safe and well, wherever you are, and thank you.
Breaking changes...this is what I see becoming a common practice in Open Source. Software design is about managing change so that things don't break. But these days, I see projects just changing the name of packages, functions, etc and breaking things. I understand the need to be respectful but its a two way street.
When you get access to someone's passion project, you are often at the mercy of their passion. Sometimes that means they break something to try and make it better, easier to adapt later, more flexible for the future. It's their hobby. If you are concerned about the change breaking something, work with them, talk it through. Become a member of their team / community, and help solution it out with them.
This is not a concern about open source its about people and their behavior and not being respectful. Nowadays people think its okay to demand, be rude and insult as they are on the internet and will not be charged with anything. Most of them are just in open source so they dont have to pay anything but not living it. I am glad there are people like you who make usefull tools and try to get things running on open source so I can go away from MS and Android. Never ever it comes to my mind to insult or demand things which are impossible or not needed from such developers. I would ask if it will possible yes, but with no time frame. So the title on this video is a bit wrong as the problem is not with open source its with bad people and people who think they can do that.
You make good points in your comment, as it's not so much the tool that may be at fault, but more so to do with the users' attitudes and abilities. Unfortunately, there are many trolls and mindless people online who don't appreciate anything or anyone, even when it is given for free and with kindness. Stay well, wherever you are.
It is indeed about the people, and not open source. As advocates of open source, my hope is that we can help change the interactions people are willing to have with our communities. This will help ensure the developers and communities want to stay with the project for longer (at least I believe it will).
@@AwesomeOpenSource dont know if it will succeed as this behavior is also in so many other places as well. It starts with that, that so many think its okay to just throw waste on the ground even if a basket is 2 steps next to that person. Its a society problem which grows and grows. I still hope as you do that at least it will change in some small places but in public it probably wont.
I'm very glad you've put this message out, because it needs to be made clear (especially to those who always expect something for nothing) that someone's hard work has gone into producing what they're using. Appreciation and respect towards those who make your online life easier and fun should go without saying, so unfounded criticism isn't helpful to anyone. I'm a recent subscriber to your channel, and know zilch about computers or the programming involved. All I know is that, ten years ago (at age 62), I started using the internet for the first time and had no-one to teach me anything. Without meeting so many kind and helpful people (on G+ to begin with), it would have been a far more difficult learning process. There seems to be far less giving, and much more taking in the world around us now, so if you get what you give in life, there must be a lot of losers out there. We can all learn to agree to disagree at times, without any animosity. Stay well.
Any time I run into a bug, I try to be as helpful with what I've got. I don't contribute code, or make demands, or anything on that line, but I always am respectful. That said, I've considered putting some of my apps online for OpenSource. NO ONE, and I mean NOT A SINGLE PERSON would want to use my stuff because it's geared for ME and my USE. BUT, that doesn't mean that someone couldn't get some knowledge out of what I'm doing, or the reverse. I'm super fearful of getting into what that Reddit poster experienced myself. BUT, being that I've worked for tech support, dealt with these kinds of idiots that make demands, I honestly have zero issues, and will not lose sleep over just shutting down the thread or ticket and tag things with "Will not do" and be done with it with no further explanation.
It is all about do what makes you happy, and helps you do what you need to do. If you're starting a business on your open source project, set it up like a business. If not, then treat it like a hobby, and the rest will fall into place naturally over time.
Hey everyone, first off, the series about running a business on opensource is awesome! I am a super small MSP and margins are tight! With that said I am slowly moving over to open source platforms and the things that I am sticking with I will my money where my mouth is. Overall even if put half of what I am paying for the tools I am paying for right now I will be saving tons of money and will be able to enhance my clients experience without having to pass the cost over to them (in most cases). Just wanted to put that out there and see if anyone has any advice or pointers as I go down this road.
Glad you like the series. One thing I'd really like to find is the open source tools that allow you to setup your own Auth provider, something like Authentik, Authelia, Ketcloak, etc can make simply accessing the various applications feel more cohesive. But just starting out, be sure to learn your tools really well.
I think the "Free economy" has contributed to this. With all the "Free" stuff (social media platforms, search engines, games, etc... paid for by advertising, analytics (spying one you), micropayments, or other indirect means). People have developed a sense of entitlement, and have become disconnected from fundamental economics, (trading a good or service we created, for a good or service someone else created). In open source, tt seems people throw out a project in good faith, with the anticipation others will at least contribute code, or kudos, which are both reasonable goods/services with which to transact, so long as said developer's other core needs (food, water, shelter...) are already met. But so many have become so disconnected from economic fundamentals that they just expect to be given whatever they want without giving anything in return. That is not a sustainable model, period. That could ultimately kill open source, which would be a true tragedy.
Agree totally. I think we as a community of open source advocates and enthusiasts are responsible to help move that needle back the other way a bit. Through education, understanding, and positive interactions.
I'm currently studying for certs for IT, so my income is not the best I got a home lab, love trying out all these projects For the ones I deploy to my home lab, I give at least a dollar One day I hope to be able to start contributing more, whether that would be code or cash
@@jashmaniar Yeah, paying a compliment to a UA-cam creator with a video where they are (properly) venting about a problem with the open source community that has always existed since open source came about is a bad thing. I don't need your condescending comment from me paying a compliment to the creator. It has nothing to do with you.
I have an issue now with not a opensource thing but with my network gear and IPV6. I cant solve it by myself but I cant find anyone who helps me. I even would pay for it. I even asked professionals but it seams they earn not enough out of it so they say no 😞
If you are running the hardware maker's software, definitely send your question to them. They usually have a forum or contact option on their site. If you are using open source software like pfSense, OpenWRT, DD-WRt, OPNSense, then for sure go post on their forums for help. They all have great communities.
@@AwesomeOpenSource thats nice of you but the issue I have is that I dont know how to configure my ubiquiti Dreammachine with provider specific ipv6 settings and how to configure my internal network.
Charge for all of it. No motivation. Guess it'll take a while. 99% of [F]OSS I use, I could honestly take or leave. I Try not to have the "you must do this for me" (I code, I might be able to help); but also; I wish the project readme's and sites reflected their actual size, scope and everything else, so I'm never told "Hey, go make this work" when the project (which might have been sold) is lacking in some maturity, and honestly, I'm just not that into it.
Support the devs financially if you can, be thankful, be kind. Really easy things to do. Just don’t be a jerk and be thankful for all the amazing things you get because other people are willing to give it away.
Dude, You are so correct ! Even in the corporate world I often hear " Well, you work in I.T.. You should know how to fix it !" Yes, I do work in the I.T. Department. I am a Linux Admin. I don't have access to the Windows servers. You, need to contact (Insert name here) since he is the windows admin. Only one person I would do it for...he signs my checks. and he knows better that to ask me to do anything on Windows.....I'd Rather get scurvy than work on a Windows server. That being said the Win Admins don't have access to any of the Linux servers. I just wish that my manager would retire. Life would be sweet.
Talk with your friends abut donatimg money. It works very well for me. They might need help with making a list of open source tech they use and some insider knowledge about which projrcts are vital regardimg their survival. Also, show them how to find information regarding how to donate money to their choosen projects. Most people have no problem with supporting initiatives they like. It's often trivial things that stop them. Help them to start a habbit of thinking about these matters and they will follow. All parties are winning this way, because people like to feel that they're doing the right thing.
Thank you for this great suggestion. I, sad to say, am guilty of not properly helping the viewers know how to donate to the various projects I show. I've done it a few times, but I need to do it on every video. So, my resolution is to add that as a segment from today forward.
@@AwesomeOpenSource A hint then: a lot of projects enabled donations over LiberaPay in the last year or so. It occours that when there's a way to have one centralized way / a hub where one can see and manage one's donations, it simplifies the process a lot. It's a very easy to use platform with good operational and moral principles. One thing I was able to "deploy" among friends, an example of what works well - when they buy a new phone and I help them to de-google it (awareness in this field is on the raise even among normies) I also mention that I will help them with the choice of the smartphone if they can give 10% of the budget to 5-7 projects that are crucial to free adroid future. I help them make an intelligent cost/benefit choice and I serve as an enabler toward de-googling, in exchange they freeley donate to the projects. This way with time a habbit is being formed. Next time they will be making a purchase they will also remember about those projects on LiberaPay they bet some money on previously, and they will donate again. With me or without my help, I suppose their awareness is risign this way and the whole open source system getting helalthier. What I find surprising is that it all goes very, very smoothly! Whay didn't they donate anything in the past then? Only because they haven't been thinking about THE ECOSYSTEM and it foundation at all. No one was talking with them about it! After a quick indroduction even a non-technical person indeed feels grateful to the creators of projects she's using if she understands that her and their futures are TOOGETHER. A bond is being formed this way. A remote, virtual one, but a working one, nontheless. I sometimes tell them a story or two how amazing are people standing behind a given project, and that it often is one or two people who run the show. Not a whole, well resourced team. Knowing that, people can think for themselves, and they conclude that the projects they like won't survive without help, which is a logical conclusion. In your case you could make a movie once a month about - just for instance: a) a reminder about a "responsible open source user" donation toward the projects one uses; b) your ideas about what projects need more support than the others. TBH your recommendation regarding (b) might be a trigger to a lot of people who would like to help, but they don;t know where to start and, what's more important, why. Someone's opinon, a call to action / help, if presented with confidence will help a lot I think. A hint, a commend made here and there, when done regularly can make wonders!
Everyone has a attention span beyond what you mentioned but everyone doesn’t listen it’s contextual to the topic. People listen to what interest them 👍🏽 Mac used are cheap some are expensive just depends on who is doing the selling
Issue, I think is, a Mac laptop isn't 500 bucks. They start at $1000 and go up from there. You might find one for $900 on the refurb site. If it's anything recent, which would be the point at this point, I just don't think $500 will get you there. Besides that point, I don't think a person who makes a project in their spare time should have to invest in another machine if it doesn't provide him / her any benefit. These are just my thoughts on it. Doesn't mean I'm right (I rarely am).
@@AwesomeOpenSource Best Buy 750.00 but not sure the point of back n forth on prices. If someone wants a mac it’s accessible to them just the same as any other computer. Macs just tend to hold better value over time.
I found a program called JSdisplament that was awesome for use with Blender 3D. I don`t believe it was open source but the developer got so many requests that he decided to no longer maintain it or even provide a copy and the community lost a really cool tool.
@@nullvoid3545 I'm sorry but you are assuming the program is an addon for Blender. It was an executable to generate displacement images in PNG format. Blender could then use those files to create something like hull plating or some other sci-fi type images.
This has been a known issue. Some people demand and act like dicks when the dev is just putting his work out there for others with usually very little contribution in either dev help or throwing some cash at them. Think of the work not hitting the public because of this. If I find an issue and they have github I'll report and help fix sometimes going as far as providing access to the box throwing the issue.
There is no shielding devs from this. When you put shit out in the open it will always be like this, be it code, a blog or youtube videos. Devs should expect this and change their attitude to stop being pushovers
Or we could all just do better. Treat each other better. It starts with us, then we spread it to those we love and care about, and eventually we have a world that's just a little better than it was yesterday.
I was going to pass this comment up, worried you're just trolling me, but decided to respond anyway. I live in this world I talk about every day. I choose how I view it. I choose how I take in the good and the bad. It's hard though, please don't misunderstand. I was a police officer for 10 years, and saw the worst of the world every day all day. I left that work, and had a hard time getting all of that 'horrible' out of my mind. I finally decided to start looking for the good, and stop waiting for the bad to pop up. The news shows you all the horrible things going on, because it gets higher ratings than a heart warming story. The social media giants do the same thing as the news. They use us for their own gain. I choose to go and seek out the good, and the amazing. I try, every day to be grateful for what I have, who I have, and where I am. It's not hard, but it does take some effort on my part.
I like unraids approach (yes it's not foss) in that they have forums but also youtubers like yourself for how tos and guides plus a new hire an expert service from the community.
That's pretty cool. It would be great if the open source projects could support that model. I think the issue is it's often 1 person on his / her volunteer time, and when you add up creating a forum, moderating it, and building a trusted community of experts, providing any support for them (which you really would need to do), you end up having much much less time for the thing you love.
I agree with the content of the video, but I still think that open source projects shouldn't ignore UX problems. Issue threads on that kind of thing are often just closed, ignored, go stale and there's lots and lots of developers that just don't get why UX is important. I've had developers and maintainers act rude to me because they thought the feature or what have you was entirely pointless and I was stupid for even thinking it lol. That kind is rarer though, but UX ?ignorance? (Is that the right word?) sadly isn't.
Keep in mind, that while UX has been around for a while, it's still relatively new to a lot of developers. Most developers at companies I worked for in the past, as well as the one now, are not UX experts. We, in fact, have UX experts that try to guide us. A lot of times, it is literal ignorance of UX. It's not intentional, and even to me, a lot of UX "best practices" seem crazy. I've always been a 'lead them down the right path' over 'tell them every time they do something wrong'. But UX says you should let them click a button even if all the required fields aren't filled, then give them an error about it, even when the required fields are clearly marked. Same goes for not disabling buttons. I understand that for screen readers disabled buttons just using the normal disabled mode is bad, but you can 100% create a component that can be "disabled", read out that way, and allow you to tab to it with just the smallest amount of work. Anyway, I understand your frustration completely, but in this case it wasn't that a person wanted a UX change, but for the developer to target a completely new platform, that happens to require a specific, and expensive, piece of hardware he didn't have. There are lines, and we all have to be wary of them for sure.
Everyone should consider donating $ or time to open source projects they use and find helpful. Some users do not fully understand open source or are simply rude (the Trumps of the world) and start demanding stuff either without contributing anything or that $1 which they feel entitled them to hours of tech support or some Apple hardware LOL😅 the lack of attention span in young generation is definitely an issue too and many do not spend time on RTFM.
I've been working to teach my daughter and niece about RTFM...they are starting to get it...now I can almost give them a stare and they know what I'm about to say. That said, I want to make the manual approachable. I hope that's a good contribution for some.
report problem yes (more detail the better). but never make demands and harassing the contributors is a big no no 🙄 nothing in this world is truly free. even the barest minimum for people offering free software and updates, the very least that can be done is offer respect, appreciation and not be so entitled. If able, do donate and support your favorite devs.
This definitely needs to be said. We should (and I do) contribute either time or $ back to the open-source community. To be fair though, the biggest leechers of open-source are corporations, who leech off a free (as in cost and freedom) project and don't ever give anything back.
The biggest leechers? Try looking at the list of kernel contributors and tell me that. In the web hosting space almost every major project is in one way or another primarily supported by corporations. The only reason Linux is relevant today is because as it turns out, the GPL2 is actually a very good tool which allows companies and individuals to collaborate on mutually beneficial infrastructure without legal issues getting in the way. The majority of serious work that gets done in the linux ecosystem is done by people being paid to do it. Let me go ahead and double down on this theme. While libre software has been wildly successful for high interest, common infrastructure projects. It's been a near total failure for niche interest projects. Take libre games for example, very few good ones, fewer still that have really pushed genres. The reason for this is simple, we live in a society where whatever else you do, you need to make money to live. So this automatically pushes unpaid positions developing libre software into a second class category. The free software/gnu philosophy, like possibly all philosophy, does a great job making detailed and accurate observations about social phenomena. While at the same time making piss poor, harmful, and dogmatic prescriptions. As I said, GPL2 is great for high interest common infrastructure projects where multiple companies and individuals are incentivized to fund development for mutual benefit. However most software out there is not going to attract that level of interest and development, and that's where we shouldn't be advocating for full libre licensing, but rather for paid, closed licensed, open source, for the purpose of trust in function and auditing. Steam is a clear demonstration on the power of accessible markets to create and distribute software. The indie game development world was tiny and mostly unsuccessful before Steam. In fact most major foss games today predate steam. It also took Valves investment into proton to bring wine to a point where today most windows games can be played on Linux by simply pressing "play" in Steam with no tinkering. We need to drop the stigma around closed licensed, paid software on linux, while continuing to advocate for such software to be open source. We need a universal commercial software distribution system like steam/apple store/google play, that provides a market for such software on linux. These topics are why the linux desktop continues to be non-viable for the vast majority of people and businesses.
It's definitely a benefit to have companies like Canonical, Microsoft, IBM, and so many others who contribute to open source. It's easy to see them as the big bad corporate guys, and easy to forget that they help push open source forward on many projects. There are definitely those who don't contribute back. But I hope someday we'll be able to get them on board the OS train too.
We make it good. We support open source, we provide positive feedback, we help take the stress away, and provide solutions. We give when we can, and be grateful for what we get. It's not hard to change our mindset. We just have to decide to do it. It starts with us.
@@heritic1hero I feel sad for you that in your world view, the only possible motivator is money. Keep up the great videos @AwesomeOpenSource, I have learned a lot here.
@@darkskysteve7029 money is simply others people's time and effort in the form of a dollar bill. If people give you money for something, that means they value what you do for them enough to spend a apart of thier life and work for what you created. It's a very very moral system of living. And it feels very rewarding. Doing something out of the greater good however, whatever that means, isn't something to be pursued. In the most extreme it even kills people!! :p
I have been "doing" the Open source thing for a very long time, and I have communicated with many developers and the law of averages apply. But the pendulum swing overwhelmingly towards the developer, there are a lot more (percentage wise) Developers who get out of the bed on the wrong foot than there are users/contributors who "demand" to be heard. I have faced many very aggressive, developers who carries the chip on the shoulder. For some reason the USA is fueling this notion that "If you don't like my stuff" then get out of the house. It is fake and nonsense that only good comments are allowed, I am not from the US and we got basically the right to criticize, leave negative or call the developer an arse just as long as I don't break a law Of MY Country, The put themselves out there and as long as nobody "Bothers" them they are fine but God forbid if you got something negative to say. It comes with the territory, you step onto a battle ground, expect to be shot. It is simple as that. If they can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Now that does not give anybody a reason to act like a buffalo, but to say "It is Open Source" therefore it is free and I wash my hands off it, is not good enough. Opensource projects are forked over and over and the and the garbage completely out pace the worthy ones. My advice is take the Code and make it your own.
Calling someone an arse at best does nothing and at worst upsets them. Objective criticism is a much more preferred approach and it implies being positive, not being personal and having something to suggest. Also an important thing to consider before criticising somebody - did they ask? If they did not, a wise thing may be to not say anything at all
I'm from the US. I don't feel I have to worry about what anyone says. It's a simple thing of "kill them with kindness". Everyone has a bad day. Everyone has stressors in life. The internet has given a sense of anonymity that makes people more bold, and often more rude and thoughtless. I get plenty of comments I could read in a negative tone. I could read yours, right now, with an angry voice in my head, and completely miss your points about the simplicity of not using something that doesn't meet your needs. Instead I choose to read it as an earnest comment, intended to provide insight, and helpful thoughts. it's a mindset, and we can all foster change. "Kill them with kindness."
Thanks man
Someone had to address this issue.
Developers are giving up their time and money to contribute to the community so it is is our responsibility to help them and give them the respect they deserve.
First, it's my pleasure to post this. It's important that we make it clear, open source is a community, and we need to be good members of that community.
Over the course of the last year or so I've made an effort to reach out to project developers to let them know I'm interested in featuring their project and to let them know that they may get an influx of traffic on their project as a result. I've also encouraged my viewers to go support the project on their repository pages and whatnot. I think what you're doing in this video is great. The explanation of what "free" means will hopefully help others do better.
To provide a point of view from someone on the other side of this, seeing my software featured, explored and positively spoken about on videos like those that you and @AwesomeOpenSource have put out, is a great feeling and has been a big motivator in development and taking the project further.
I can relate to the comments featured in this video though for sure. The social dynamics and demands of open source can hit hard, and in ways you're not prepared for, especially when starting out from a perspective of just wanting to share a cool thing you made.
1. Hope you are doing well my friend! 2. Thank you for your words of support, and for being an open source advocate! 3. Love your channel. 4. When you're ready, let me know and we'll do some awesome open source content together. 5. Thank you for supporting and helping move open source forward with your content.
Thank you so much for making an open source project as awesome as Bookstack! I use it all the time, and love it. You are the exact reason I make open source content. Because I love open source, and want to see it thrive.
I appreciate this video/topic. We live in a world were people are too entitled. They expect everything but give nothing. Like you said, most open source is volunteer time towards something people are passionate about. I had a blog for a little bit but I took it down because I was tired of being treated like crap by people who complained about everything. I'm a bigger person than they are but I was tired of emails and IMs from angry Karens. Its sad. I gladly support prodjects and people like yourself. Keep up the good work
That reminds me with mastodon. People allegedly complain about the ux (allegedly) but the ui for the mobile app is very nice and quite light.
Thank you. And yes, sadly this is just how some people are. The ones who abuse the system are really and truly the minority out of us all, but they are a very loud minority. So we need to be an even louder majority.
The "free" in free software is quite possibly one of the greatest sources of confusion about the open source model, philosophy and movement. Thanks for making this much needed video. More of us need to appreciate FOSS developers and projects should also be monetised or support feature development through crowdfunding, etc.
Btw, when you get time, please check out the new all-in-one Mail Server by Stalwart Labs which supports both IMAP and JMAP.
Thanks for the input, and for watching. I'd love to see more crowdfunding efforts in open source for sure. I'll definitely check out Stalwart Labs. Thanks for the suggestion.
Hello Brian, that is absolutely right and I have to realize that I also had the same expectations of the creators of open source software. Thank you for opening my eyes with this video to the fact that open source software is a gift that should also be considered as such. I'll definitely keep that in mind for the future.
My pleasure!
Thanks so much for your input on this subject. It is mind blowing how some people have these "It is all about me" attitudes in this day and time. Us oldtimers just have a different way about us, we are actually appreciative when people spend time and money to provide something costfree that helps us. ( I turned 75 last election day). But I have been doing computer tech stuff since the early 80's, and still do stuff for family and friends and whomever I can assist. I appreciate you and your bringing great projects to our attention. Yes, some of your videos are quite lengthy, but in most cases the length is beneficial because of the details. I for one, appreciate you and what you do. Best Regards from a fellow nerd in North Florida
I appreciate it, truly!
Great Video. Nowadays that's how people treat "Free" things. I try my best to donate to all Open Source projects i use. When i have an issue i try my best to resolve it if I can't I'll search around for an answer.
Great attitude, and awesome that you try to support those projects you love! Thank you for being an open source advocate!
This! I’ll probably make a Wiki page on it eventually, but i want to document my thoughts on “Open Source Taxes”. Basically make a list of various OS Groups and how one would kind of divy up donations to all of them.
Once i get a more stable income with my new job and whatnot i *really* want to dive in on all that. Haven’t done so yet due to all that, but granted the other stuff is great, but in our current economic system, people just need *money* and as you said, even small amounts add up.
Thanks as always for the great video!
My pleasure, and send me that blog link when you post it!
I call them the OSS user karens... Entitled to everything but did not contribute a second...
Funny enough, they could just be someone having a tough day. They may just be frustrated because they watched a video from 2 years ago, that doesn't exactly work now. I think it's important that we as a community help solve problems, and encourage better interactions. It's not always easy, but if a community does it together, the few will either fall into that same method of interaction, or move on.
@@AwesomeOpenSource you are absolutely correct, however it is more than ever a forgotten attitude to be thankful. So: Thank YOU for your AwesomeOSS content!! 👍
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If everyone had the patience and empathy which you so eloquently portray, life (online or offline) would be much more pleasant for everyone. Stay safe and well, wherever you are, and thank you.
Breaking changes...this is what I see becoming a common practice in Open Source. Software design is about managing change so that things don't break. But these days, I see projects just changing the name of packages, functions, etc and breaking things.
I understand the need to be respectful but its a two way street.
When you get access to someone's passion project, you are often at the mercy of their passion. Sometimes that means they break something to try and make it better, easier to adapt later, more flexible for the future. It's their hobby. If you are concerned about the change breaking something, work with them, talk it through. Become a member of their team / community, and help solution it out with them.
This is not a concern about open source its about people and their behavior and not being respectful. Nowadays people think its okay to demand, be rude and insult as they are on the internet and will not be charged with anything. Most of them are just in open source so they dont have to pay anything but not living it. I am glad there are people like you who make usefull tools and try to get things running on open source so I can go away from MS and Android. Never ever it comes to my mind to insult or demand things which are impossible or not needed from such developers. I would ask if it will possible yes, but with no time frame. So the title on this video is a bit wrong as the problem is not with open source its with bad people and people who think they can do that.
You make good points in your comment, as it's not so much the tool that may be at fault, but more so to do with the users' attitudes and abilities. Unfortunately, there are many trolls and mindless people online who don't appreciate anything or anyone, even when it is given for free and with kindness. Stay well, wherever you are.
It is indeed about the people, and not open source. As advocates of open source, my hope is that we can help change the interactions people are willing to have with our communities. This will help ensure the developers and communities want to stay with the project for longer (at least I believe it will).
@@AwesomeOpenSource dont know if it will succeed as this behavior is also in so many other places as well. It starts with that, that so many think its okay to just throw waste on the ground even if a basket is 2 steps next to that person. Its a society problem which grows and grows. I still hope as you do that at least it will change in some small places but in public it probably wont.
I'm very glad you've put this message out, because it needs to be made clear (especially to those who always expect something for nothing) that someone's hard work has gone into producing what they're using. Appreciation and respect towards those who make your online life easier and fun should go without saying, so unfounded criticism isn't helpful to anyone.
I'm a recent subscriber to your channel, and know zilch about computers or the programming involved. All I know is that, ten years ago (at age 62), I started using the internet for the first time and had no-one to teach me anything. Without meeting so many kind and helpful people (on G+ to begin with), it would have been a far more difficult learning process.
There seems to be far less giving, and much more taking in the world around us now, so if you get what you give in life, there must be a lot of losers out there. We can all learn to agree to disagree at times, without any animosity. Stay well.
First, glad you're learning, and improving your knowledge with me. Second, it's really not hard to be kind, it's just a decision we each have to make.
Great advice! Everytime I create a GH issue I start with the opening sentence "Thank you so much for this amazing FOSS project!"
Love that!
Any time I run into a bug, I try to be as helpful with what I've got. I don't contribute code, or make demands, or anything on that line, but I always am respectful.
That said, I've considered putting some of my apps online for OpenSource. NO ONE, and I mean NOT A SINGLE PERSON would want to use my stuff because it's geared for ME and my USE. BUT, that doesn't mean that someone couldn't get some knowledge out of what I'm doing, or the reverse. I'm super fearful of getting into what that Reddit poster experienced myself. BUT, being that I've worked for tech support, dealt with these kinds of idiots that make demands, I honestly have zero issues, and will not lose sleep over just shutting down the thread or ticket and tag things with "Will not do" and be done with it with no further explanation.
It is all about do what makes you happy, and helps you do what you need to do. If you're starting a business on your open source project, set it up like a business. If not, then treat it like a hobby, and the rest will fall into place naturally over time.
as Stallman did put it: Free as in free speach, not free as in free beer
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Hey everyone, first off, the series about running a business on opensource is awesome! I am a super small MSP and margins are tight! With that said I am slowly moving over to open source platforms and the things that I am sticking with I will my money where my mouth is. Overall even if put half of what I am paying for the tools I am paying for right now I will be saving tons of money and will be able to enhance my clients experience without having to pass the cost over to them (in most cases). Just wanted to put that out there and see if anyone has any advice or pointers as I go down this road.
Glad you like the series. One thing I'd really like to find is the open source tools that allow you to setup your own Auth provider, something like Authentik, Authelia, Ketcloak, etc can make simply accessing the various applications feel more cohesive. But just starting out, be sure to learn your tools really well.
I think the "Free economy" has contributed to this. With all the "Free" stuff (social media platforms, search engines, games, etc... paid for by advertising, analytics (spying one you), micropayments, or other indirect means). People have developed a sense of entitlement, and have become disconnected from fundamental economics, (trading a good or service we created, for a good or service someone else created). In open source, tt seems people throw out a project in good faith, with the anticipation others will at least contribute code, or kudos, which are both reasonable goods/services with which to transact, so long as said developer's other core needs (food, water, shelter...) are already met. But so many have become so disconnected from economic fundamentals that they just expect to be given whatever they want without giving anything in return. That is not a sustainable model, period. That could ultimately kill open source, which would be a true tragedy.
Agree totally. I think we as a community of open source advocates and enthusiasts are responsible to help move that needle back the other way a bit. Through education, understanding, and positive interactions.
I'm currently studying for certs for IT, so my income is not the best
I got a home lab, love trying out all these projects
For the ones I deploy to my home lab, I give at least a dollar
One day I hope to be able to start contributing more, whether that would be code or cash
Any amount is better than nothing. The more we can give over time, the better things will be for sure. Best.
I like the newer opening you have been using over the older one. Both were good, but the newer one is better. Thanks for the content you produce!
Read the room dude
@@jashmaniar Yeah, paying a compliment to a UA-cam creator with a video where they are (properly) venting about a problem with the open source community that has always existed since open source came about is a bad thing. I don't need your condescending comment from me paying a compliment to the creator. It has nothing to do with you.
It's my pleasure, and I appreciate it.
No worries my friend.
I have an issue now with not a opensource thing but with my network gear and IPV6. I cant solve it by myself but I cant find anyone who helps me. I even would pay for it. I even asked professionals but it seams they earn not enough out of it so they say no 😞
If you are running the hardware maker's software, definitely send your question to them. They usually have a forum or contact option on their site. If you are using open source software like pfSense, OpenWRT, DD-WRt, OPNSense, then for sure go post on their forums for help. They all have great communities.
@@AwesomeOpenSource thats nice of you but the issue I have is that I dont know how to configure my ubiquiti Dreammachine with provider specific ipv6 settings and how to configure my internal network.
Charge for all of it. No motivation. Guess it'll take a while. 99% of [F]OSS I use, I could honestly take or leave. I Try not to have the "you must do this for me" (I code, I might be able to help); but also; I wish the project readme's and sites reflected their actual size, scope and everything else, so I'm never told "Hey, go make this work" when the project (which might have been sold) is lacking in some maturity, and honestly, I'm just not that into it.
Totally understand where you're coming from.
Support the devs financially if you can, be thankful, be kind. Really easy things to do. Just don’t be a jerk and be thankful for all the amazing things you get because other people are willing to give it away.
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If You send money to an Open Source project, You'll be suprised how fast a new version will be available.
Every dollar helps, no doubt.
Dude, You are so correct ! Even in the corporate world I often hear " Well, you work in I.T.. You should know how to fix it !" Yes, I do work in the I.T. Department. I am a Linux Admin. I don't have access to the Windows servers. You, need to contact (Insert name here) since he is the windows admin. Only one person I would do it for...he signs my checks. and he knows better that to ask me to do anything on Windows.....I'd Rather get scurvy than work on a Windows server.
That being said the Win Admins don't have access to any of the Linux servers. I just wish that my manager would retire. Life would be sweet.
Hang in there my friend.
Talk with your friends abut donatimg money. It works very well for me. They might need help with making a list of open source tech they use and some insider knowledge about which projrcts are vital regardimg their survival. Also, show them how to find information regarding how to donate money to their choosen projects. Most people have no problem with supporting initiatives they like. It's often trivial things that stop them. Help them to start a habbit of thinking about these matters and they will follow. All parties are winning this way, because people like to feel that they're doing the right thing.
Thank you for this great suggestion. I, sad to say, am guilty of not properly helping the viewers know how to donate to the various projects I show. I've done it a few times, but I need to do it on every video. So, my resolution is to add that as a segment from today forward.
@@AwesomeOpenSource A hint then: a lot of projects enabled donations over LiberaPay in the last year or so. It occours that when there's a way to have one centralized way / a hub where one can see and manage one's donations, it simplifies the process a lot. It's a very easy to use platform with good operational and moral principles.
One thing I was able to "deploy" among friends, an example of what works well - when they buy a new phone and I help them to de-google it (awareness in this field is on the raise even among normies) I also mention that I will help them with the choice of the smartphone if they can give 10% of the budget to 5-7 projects that are crucial to free adroid future. I help them make an intelligent cost/benefit choice and I serve as an enabler toward de-googling, in exchange they freeley donate to the projects. This way with time a habbit is being formed. Next time they will be making a purchase they will also remember about those projects on LiberaPay they bet some money on previously, and they will donate again. With me or without my help, I suppose their awareness is risign this way and the whole open source system getting helalthier.
What I find surprising is that it all goes very, very smoothly! Whay didn't they donate anything in the past then? Only because they haven't been thinking about THE ECOSYSTEM and it foundation at all. No one was talking with them about it! After a quick indroduction even a non-technical person indeed feels grateful to the creators of projects she's using if she understands that her and their futures are TOOGETHER. A bond is being formed this way. A remote, virtual one, but a working one, nontheless.
I sometimes tell them a story or two how amazing are people standing behind a given project, and that it often is one or two people who run the show. Not a whole, well resourced team. Knowing that, people can think for themselves, and they conclude that the projects they like won't survive without help, which is a logical conclusion.
In your case you could make a movie once a month about - just for instance: a) a reminder about a "responsible open source user" donation toward the projects one uses; b) your ideas about what projects need more support than the others. TBH your recommendation regarding (b) might be a trigger to a lot of people who would like to help, but they don;t know where to start and, what's more important, why. Someone's opinon, a call to action / help, if presented with confidence will help a lot I think.
A hint, a commend made here and there, when done regularly can make wonders!
Thank you for your video, I found a small bug here's how to reproduce it. At 7:45, you wrote patence instead of patience.
I appreciate it. Thanks for letting me know. Maybe I'll leave it...we all make mistakes.
maybe changing the terminology to 'Freedom Software' would distinguish it from freeware and freemium
It would definitely help. Education is the key. I'm working to educate anyone who wants to learn...and maybe a few who I sneakily teach along the way.
Everyone has a attention span beyond what you mentioned but everyone doesn’t listen it’s contextual to the topic. People listen to what interest them 👍🏽
Mac used are cheap some are expensive just depends on who is doing the selling
I can see your point. As for the Macs, I think "cheap" and "expensive" are definitely subjective terms.
@@AwesomeOpenSource can’t be subjective. If you got 500 bucks a windows laptop well you got 500 bucks for a Mac laptop.
Issue, I think is, a Mac laptop isn't 500 bucks. They start at $1000 and go up from there. You might find one for $900 on the refurb site. If it's anything recent, which would be the point at this point, I just don't think $500 will get you there. Besides that point, I don't think a person who makes a project in their spare time should have to invest in another machine if it doesn't provide him / her any benefit. These are just my thoughts on it. Doesn't mean I'm right (I rarely am).
@@AwesomeOpenSource used/refurbished macs have a wide price range my friend
@@AwesomeOpenSource Best Buy 750.00 but not sure the point of back n forth on prices. If someone wants a mac it’s accessible to them just the same as any other computer. Macs just tend to hold better value over time.
I found a program called JSdisplament that was awesome for use with Blender 3D. I don`t believe it was open source but the developer got so many requests that he decided to no longer maintain it or even provide a copy and the community lost a really cool tool.
Given that Blenders python API is GPL his addon was too, he just didn't know it.
This is just exactly what happens. It's sad, so support those devs when you get the chance, ins some way.
@@nullvoid3545 I'm sorry but you are assuming the program is an addon for Blender. It was an executable to generate displacement images in PNG format. Blender could then use those files to create something like hull plating or some other sci-fi type images.
@@jonathan2260 Oh. my bad. Thanks for the correction!
Awesome video! Thanks for that! well said!!!
Much appreciated! and Thank you for supporting open source!
Don’t change the fact that you have long form content, please. I actively avoid the short, useless, empty videos that have become the UA-cam norm.
Not to worry my friend, this is my way.
This has been a known issue. Some people demand and act like dicks when the dev is just putting his work out there for others with usually very little contribution in either dev help or throwing some cash at them. Think of the work not hitting the public because of this. If I find an issue and they have github I'll report and help fix sometimes going as far as providing access to the box throwing the issue.
That's an awesome way to support those project you love. Thank you.
Thank you for saying what u said.
You are so welcome. Thanks for being a part of this community.
Thanks for talking about this.
My pleasure!
There is no shielding devs from this. When you put shit out in the open it will always be like this, be it code, a blog or youtube videos. Devs should expect this and change their attitude to stop being pushovers
Or we could all just do better. Treat each other better. It starts with us, then we spread it to those we love and care about, and eventually we have a world that's just a little better than it was yesterday.
@@AwesomeOpenSource Sorry. Be nice all you want - good! BUT we don't live in don't live in that world
I was going to pass this comment up, worried you're just trolling me, but decided to respond anyway. I live in this world I talk about every day. I choose how I view it. I choose how I take in the good and the bad. It's hard though, please don't misunderstand. I was a police officer for 10 years, and saw the worst of the world every day all day. I left that work, and had a hard time getting all of that 'horrible' out of my mind. I finally decided to start looking for the good, and stop waiting for the bad to pop up. The news shows you all the horrible things going on, because it gets higher ratings than a heart warming story. The social media giants do the same thing as the news. They use us for their own gain. I choose to go and seek out the good, and the amazing. I try, every day to be grateful for what I have, who I have, and where I am. It's not hard, but it does take some effort on my part.
4:39 me spending 4 quid a month in signal donations
That rocks!
I like unraids approach (yes it's not foss) in that they have forums but also youtubers like yourself for how tos and guides plus a new hire an expert service from the community.
That's pretty cool. It would be great if the open source projects could support that model. I think the issue is it's often 1 person on his / her volunteer time, and when you add up creating a forum, moderating it, and building a trusted community of experts, providing any support for them (which you really would need to do), you end up having much much less time for the thing you love.
I agree with the content of the video, but I still think that open source projects shouldn't ignore UX problems. Issue threads on that kind of thing are often just closed, ignored, go stale and there's lots and lots of developers that just don't get why UX is important. I've had developers and maintainers act rude to me because they thought the feature or what have you was entirely pointless and I was stupid for even thinking it lol. That kind is rarer though, but UX ?ignorance? (Is that the right word?) sadly isn't.
Keep in mind, that while UX has been around for a while, it's still relatively new to a lot of developers. Most developers at companies I worked for in the past, as well as the one now, are not UX experts. We, in fact, have UX experts that try to guide us. A lot of times, it is literal ignorance of UX. It's not intentional, and even to me, a lot of UX "best practices" seem crazy. I've always been a 'lead them down the right path' over 'tell them every time they do something wrong'. But UX says you should let them click a button even if all the required fields aren't filled, then give them an error about it, even when the required fields are clearly marked. Same goes for not disabling buttons. I understand that for screen readers disabled buttons just using the normal disabled mode is bad, but you can 100% create a component that can be "disabled", read out that way, and allow you to tab to it with just the smallest amount of work. Anyway, I understand your frustration completely, but in this case it wasn't that a person wanted a UX change, but for the developer to target a completely new platform, that happens to require a specific, and expensive, piece of hardware he didn't have. There are lines, and we all have to be wary of them for sure.
2:14 every signal user!
I'm not on signal but sounds interesting. Are you saying all the users think they should be guaranteed support?
Everyone should consider donating $ or time to open source projects they use and find helpful. Some users do not fully understand open source or are simply rude (the Trumps of the world) and start demanding stuff either without contributing anything or that $1 which they feel entitled them to hours of tech support or some Apple hardware LOL😅 the lack of attention span in young generation is definitely an issue too and many do not spend time on RTFM.
I've been working to teach my daughter and niece about RTFM...they are starting to get it...now I can almost give them a stare and they know what I'm about to say. That said, I want to make the manual approachable. I hope that's a good contribution for some.
report problem yes (more detail the better). but never make demands and harassing the contributors is a big no no 🙄
nothing in this world is truly free. even the barest minimum for people offering free software and updates, the very least that can be done is offer respect, appreciation and not be so entitled. If able, do donate and support your favorite devs.
Exactly!
This definitely needs to be said. We should (and I do) contribute either time or $ back to the open-source community. To be fair though, the biggest leechers of open-source are corporations, who leech off a free (as in cost and freedom) project and don't ever give anything back.
The biggest leechers? Try looking at the list of kernel contributors and tell me that. In the web hosting space almost every major project is in one way or another primarily supported by corporations. The only reason Linux is relevant today is because as it turns out, the GPL2 is actually a very good tool which allows companies and individuals to collaborate on mutually beneficial infrastructure without legal issues getting in the way. The majority of serious work that gets done in the linux ecosystem is done by people being paid to do it.
Let me go ahead and double down on this theme. While libre software has been wildly successful for high interest, common infrastructure projects. It's been a near total failure for niche interest projects. Take libre games for example, very few good ones, fewer still that have really pushed genres. The reason for this is simple, we live in a society where whatever else you do, you need to make money to live. So this automatically pushes unpaid positions developing libre software into a second class category.
The free software/gnu philosophy, like possibly all philosophy, does a great job making detailed and accurate observations about social phenomena. While at the same time making piss poor, harmful, and dogmatic prescriptions. As I said, GPL2 is great for high interest common infrastructure projects where multiple companies and individuals are incentivized to fund development for mutual benefit. However most software out there is not going to attract that level of interest and development, and that's where we shouldn't be advocating for full libre licensing, but rather for paid, closed licensed, open source, for the purpose of trust in function and auditing.
Steam is a clear demonstration on the power of accessible markets to create and distribute software. The indie game development world was tiny and mostly unsuccessful before Steam. In fact most major foss games today predate steam. It also took Valves investment into proton to bring wine to a point where today most windows games can be played on Linux by simply pressing "play" in Steam with no tinkering. We need to drop the stigma around closed licensed, paid software on linux, while continuing to advocate for such software to be open source. We need a universal commercial software distribution system like steam/apple store/google play, that provides a market for such software on linux. These topics are why the linux desktop continues to be non-viable for the vast majority of people and businesses.
It's definitely a benefit to have companies like Canonical, Microsoft, IBM, and so many others who contribute to open source. It's easy to see them as the big bad corporate guys, and easy to forget that they help push open source forward on many projects. There are definitely those who don't contribute back. But I hope someday we'll be able to get them on board the OS train too.
@@entelin Your rant is pretty incoherent.
@@AwesomeOpenSource Why would you assume those are the corporations I was referring to?
@@liquidmobius Feel free to give an example.
Trying to understand the down voting on this video 😕
I don't even look at he down voting, so it's all good for me.
The biggest motivation to do work is to get paid to do it. Unfortunatly, open source will never be good.
We make it good. We support open source, we provide positive feedback, we help take the stress away, and provide solutions. We give when we can, and be grateful for what we get. It's not hard to change our mindset. We just have to decide to do it. It starts with us.
@@AwesomeOpenSource Feelings aren't a good motivation to do your absolute best and dedicate your life to it. Srry
@@heritic1hero I feel sad for you that in your world view, the only possible motivator is money. Keep up the great videos @AwesomeOpenSource, I have learned a lot here.
@@darkskysteve7029 money is simply others people's time and effort in the form of a dollar bill. If people give you money for something, that means they value what you do for them enough to spend a apart of thier life and work for what you created. It's a very very moral system of living. And it feels very rewarding.
Doing something out of the greater good however, whatever that means, isn't something to be pursued. In the most extreme it even kills people!! :p
A good and true video topic.
Thank you for the support!
I do not have *patence* 😁
Hahaha. I left it in after someone told me about it, because... well... I'm human and prone to mistakes, just like the next guy.
@@AwesomeOpenSource it's all good!
I have been "doing" the Open source thing for a very long time, and I have communicated with many developers and the law of averages apply. But the pendulum swing overwhelmingly towards the developer, there are a lot more (percentage wise) Developers who get out of the bed on the wrong foot than there are users/contributors who "demand" to be heard. I have faced many very aggressive, developers who carries the chip on the shoulder. For some reason the USA is fueling this notion that "If you don't like my stuff" then get out of the house. It is fake and nonsense that only good comments are allowed, I am not from the US and we got basically the right to criticize, leave negative or call the developer an arse just as long as I don't break a law Of MY Country, The put themselves out there and as long as nobody "Bothers" them they are fine but God forbid if you got something negative to say. It comes with the territory, you step onto a battle ground, expect to be shot. It is simple as that. If they can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Now that does not give anybody a reason to act like a buffalo, but to say "It is Open Source" therefore it is free and I wash my hands off it, is not good enough. Opensource projects are forked over and over and the and the garbage completely out pace the worthy ones. My advice is take the Code and make it your own.
Calling someone an arse at best does nothing and at worst upsets them. Objective criticism is a much more preferred approach and it implies being positive, not being personal and having something to suggest. Also an important thing to consider before criticising somebody - did they ask? If they did not, a wise thing may be to not say anything at all
I'm from the US. I don't feel I have to worry about what anyone says. It's a simple thing of "kill them with kindness". Everyone has a bad day. Everyone has stressors in life. The internet has given a sense of anonymity that makes people more bold, and often more rude and thoughtless. I get plenty of comments I could read in a negative tone. I could read yours, right now, with an angry voice in my head, and completely miss your points about the simplicity of not using something that doesn't meet your needs. Instead I choose to read it as an earnest comment, intended to provide insight, and helpful thoughts. it's a mindset, and we can all foster change. "Kill them with kindness."
Reddit is a wasteland.
It is, and I'm look forward to more people moving to kbin and lemmy, but until some of my favorites move, I do like to follow them.
5:55 ah yes capitalism
Indeed. Life costs.
never look a gift horse in the mouth..it is just rude:)
Indeed it is.
We need a free and open source platform to help giving money to developers who develop free and open source software!
... oh wait....
It would be great if the open source porjects would simply make it easier to find how to donate to them. Sometimes it's a real search.