Hobbits are naturally hard to detect. Virtually invisible to most, if they hide. Also, Smaug had never encountered a Hobbit and was unfamiliar to their scent. Smaug could smell a dwarf burglar a mile away. Hobbits were even unknown to Treebeard, one of the oldest inhabitants of Middle Earth, at least 11,000 years old.
‘Smaug & Sauron’ The Quest of Erebor bit in Unfinished Tales (which contains many of the information shown in this video) has always been one of my favorite stories in Middle Earth as it expands the relatively simple story of The Hobbit by showing just how important Thorin and Co.’s adventure (and Bilbo joining it) was in determining the fate of Middle Earth.
In lieu of the insulting statements from the actors about the Rings of Power being "the story Tolkien never wrote" I do feel like that one moment from the first Hobbit film between Galadriel and Gandalf really is the "scene Tolkien never wrote". I mean how perfect is that exchange? It perfectly encapsulates Gandalf's dynamic with the world around him and gives insight into how he makes his choices. My favorite part is it shows how Gandalf, a Maiar, is just as susceptible to the things of the world as Sauron is, only in Gandalf's case, he lets compassion, courage, and fear influence his actions. Why else would he choose Bilbo Baggins, of all the people in Middle-Earth, to join him on his quest? Is it just me who feels that way?
The ROP is vastly different from the triology. As they said: "everything that Tolkien never wrote". Means it has NOTHING to do with Tolkien at all. Whereas you said a "SCENE that Tolkien never wrote". Remember, who wrote the LotR? Who chose Bilbo Baggins? Is it Gandalf or JRR Tolkien himself? I can see well enough since the first age, Sauron overlooked Beren to have a design on Silmarils. Bec he is powerless human being, just a servant of the more powerful elves. Sauron is more warry of the elves than the men at the time. He thought its Fingond who have the design on the silmarils, but he is very wrong. He didnt know that the silmarils is the bride price of Thingol for Luthien. Fingond has no plan to steal it. He was there bec of his OATH to the Ring of Barahir, which is in the possesion of Beren at the time. So Sauron killed Fingond but imprisoned Beren only. Until such time Luthien came and rescued Beren but its too late for Sauron bec he was wounded by Huan. Then come the third age. Sauron made his mistake all over again, by overlooking the hobbits. Aside from the fact the hobbits are smaller people and more powerless than the men and more than in hiding in their own place and have no cares of the outside world affairs. I think Gandalf has more than the instinct or insight for that.
@@evenstar1608 It is as Gandalf himself said. "Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I have found that it is the small, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love" That's as close to Tolkien as you can get without Tolkien himself.
@@iconicnzz6414 Or as it is as Peter Jackson can be. Remember, PJ had said they promised themselves not to put their politics on the movies. It is what we can say too in our perspectives or interpretation on the essence of the book. Not the "Everything that is Not Tolkien". Such an arrogance and disrespect of Tolkien.
@@evenstar1608 ah, so it had nothing to due with the fact that Bagins, Brandybuck, and Took were basically the equivalent to princes of the Hobbits because of their lineage, no much different than Aragorn, Legolas. Sam and Gimli be the two that were ennobled by their action during the war of the ring. Tolkien heroes are either nobles or ennoble by their action, they are doing a duty or stepping up to a duty.
I've read The Quest For Erebor and Gandalf was certain that Sauron would attack Lothlorien and Rivendell and with Smaug he'd most likely be victorious. Gandalf had tried to convince the White Council, but was always gainsaid by Saruman who was searching for the Ring in the Anduin River himself and only changed his mind when his spies told him that Sauron had started searching the river near the Gladden Fields where Isildur was killed. Gandalf was also certain that Sauron would not let an assault on Erebor happen unless he had other things on his mind that made an attack upon Dol Guldur extra important. Thorin did not want Bilbo to come and even Gandalf's warning about having a foresight didn't scare him very much. He told Gandalf that maybe he had a foresight or was merely crazed from too many worries. Gandalf replied that he certainly had enough concerns with one of them being a "proud dwarf who asked him for advice with no claim on me that I can see" and then doesn't listen to him. He finally convinced Thorin by telling him that he was fond of this hobbit and if you treat him right he'd have Gandalf's gratitude for the rest of his days. That affected Thorin more than the warnings and he agreed Bilbo could come.
"Bilbo was very rich and very peculiar, and had been the wonder of the Shire for sixty years, ever since his remarkable disappearance and unexpected return." -- The Fellowship of the Rings, "A Long-expected Party"
Eru Ilúvatar obviously wanted the good guys to win and often intervened directly (ressurecting Gandalf, making Gollum fall in to the abyss). I can't think of any scenario where Sauron would have won.
There is one; If the men of Middle Earth had fallen to the same sort corruption as those of Numenor had. Eru doesn't help those who do not want to be helped. This is reflected in both his reaction to Numenors turn to evil, as well as the mission that is given to the Istari; They aren't there to hold the darkness back themselves, but to guide the free peoples in doing so.
SAURON N SMAUG would be a deadly alliance but not because of brute power but the intelligence and knowledge each brings. In retrospect SMAUG was killed by a bolt that pierce his opened skin, once can say that the alliance of men dwarves and Elf would have thousands of those bolts flying in the air that will eventually kill Smaug. But Sauron was inches away from defeating the Alliance if not for Isuldur being lucky and cutting the ring of power from Sauron’s finger. Needless to say Smaug would have tilted Sauron’s fortune and will more than likely spell the doom of the Alliances.
Yes, Smaug could have been a powerful ally, but could Sauron have persuaded the dragon to give up even one coin of his hoard or leave it unguarded? In many ways, that vast treasure could have been more valuable to Sauron than Smaug. With all that gold, Sauron could have bought whole mercenary armies and bought alliances.
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the Fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
I don't really like how Galadriel is put up as above Gandalf or Elrond, she's shown as a perfect saint, when in reality out of all of the Elves we actually see she is the one with a darkness most hidden in her heart of hearts.
I don't believe she was as powerful as Gandalf as the resurrected as the white, & much of her power was in her ring of power, not sure about the darkness? after all she did pass the test
Not a massive point, but as an observation that fine tunes the meaning - rather than me being a pedant - when Gandalf is discussing what type of hobbit he wants he says “a foundation of the SOLIDER sort - i.e. “someone more solid” not “soldier”, which would give an inaccurate and misleading military aspect. A subtle distinction! (See 7:10 mark in the video)
I love this channel. Helps pass the time greatly throughout my day. Hobbit stories and Dwarven stories and elves and humans and wargs and orcs and eagles and wizards etc... these stories you have covered. Thoroughly I might add. What about the Boars. Those lovely creatures the dwarves use as mounts. Or more on the evil men. Like the rise of khamal. The 2nd to the witchking. Idk. Love the channel though. Keep it up ❤
The screen character does not make the sneak and cunning ability of bilbo the hobbit very apparent. He just looks clumsy and prone to get himself into trouble to require saving by others until he finds the ring
Smaug & Sauron I never too much wondered why Gandalf chose Bilbo, ad much as what Gandalf actually expected to happen. In a way, Gandalf can afford to just say "I don't have to worry about things; they'll sort themselves out better than I could ever try and force them", assuming that there was a plan beyond even him. It wouldn't take an army to seige the dragon, and the right people would find the right place, at the right time. Still, Gandalf was sending them off to deal with a dragon, and so long as it lived, it was a problem, so ge expected them to kill Smaug, somehow. I just wish we had a better idea how he might've thought they'd pull it off, especially once he withdrew to go deal with the Necromancer. I also wish Smaug could have been useful. I frequently complain about how little it felt like Sauron used his supernatural power, allies, and crafting skill to fight his enemies; he mostly just used simple soldiers, and power through numbers strategy. None of the Orcs were "special"; none had superior skills, or kit crafted by Sauron. He didn't seem to use his power to fight on his own behalf. A great, flying seige engine, impervious to many weapons, and bellowing gouts of withering flame, could have gone a long way towards really pressing the advantage, and making the heroes have to work for the win. I liked the story, and I know Sauron was doing stuff, but the D&D Dungeon Master in me wished he would seem more monstrous, and a supernatural threat, instead of what we got.
BROKEN SWORD Here`s a really big "What If" for you! We know that Sauron wanted his Ring of Power back, and Smaug coveted all things made of gold. So, what if Smaug had killed Bilbo with his dragon-fire when Bilbo was searching for the Arkenstone, and the dragon-fire exposed the gold ring in Bilbo`s pocket. Would Smaug have understood what the little golden ring was, and if so, would He have used it himself, or just tossed it in his big hoard of Dwarf gold to be long forgotten? Now...If Sauron then discovered that Smaug now had the Ring, would He have attacked the Lonely Mountain to get it back? Hmmmmmm..!
@@TheBrokenSword the whole thing ua-cam.com/video/0wY9GL99USA/v-deo.html if you can wait until end seeing man throwing axes, weilding sword, shooting bow,,,,i just found ound out i'm not 37 i'm 52...missed few years teaching combat, kept me young
Smaug & Sauron Yes, I believe that the outcome would be different. If you see on how the battles at Erebor went during the war of the ring... If Smaug was still there, then there would be a huge threat from the north. As there was no defense from the dwarves there... Sauron would also have spare soldiers ready to battle at another place. Since he didn't need to send soldiers to Erebor because of Smaug allready be there. I have no clue if the Elves from Mirkwood would be able to slay a dragon like Smaug. Plus, I wonder if the Army of the Dead would be able to kill such a dragon. IF Smaug would join Sauron, he probaply would ask something of great worth in return. Also, if the war was over in favor for Sauron (or Sauron would win anyway), Smaug probaply could have his eyes set towards Mordor, like some sort of betrayal like Saruman did. I know Smaug really loves gold. But I have no idea if the rings of power would have the same effect on Smaug as normal gold, or would enlarge his 'love' for gold. And since Sauron would probaply be having the One Ring anyway if he'd won the war... I also wonder, if Smaug would joing Sauron, why wouldn't there be any other dragons (or large creatures) join Sauron?
- a retconned explanation that didn't happen anywhere in the original book, to cover-up the fact that Gandalf chose him, just to _d*ck_ with him for saying "Good Morning" to him.
For the answer, all you have to do is replay the scene from the movies when Gandalf is trying to decide whether to choose Bilbo Baggins (who was sitting outside his Hobbit hole smoking a pipe) or his next door cousin Bozo Baggins (who was passed out in the garden with his pants halfway down his legs). Then Bozo Baggins let out a loud belch and Gandalf decided to talk to Bilbo.
It is always an interesting question why Gandalf gets involved with the Dwarves. Looking at the bigger story Gandalf knows how big a threat Smaug could be if he joined Sauron. Kind of makes me realize that Gandalf is just using the Dwarves and not really caring of they succeded our not, as long as Smaug was defeated.
Melkor had glaurang, are far more powerfull duo., Between the Mormegil & the Valar wrestler they finished them both, forever & lets face it Sauron had Orcs, Melkor had legions of Balrogs & was amost as powerfull as Manwe
No its not & you should know why he involved himself with the great dwarf lords in previous ages, ? No . for the same reason he involved himself with the elves, the hobbits, Tom bombadil & radagast, to give & recieve council & he stayed with bombadil for some yrs after the war of the rings.does that answer your question?
@@markbritton6798 I might have phrased it a bit harsh but he does not seem as concerned with the Dwarves and their adventure as he does with the Fellowship. Half of the Hobbit, Gandalf is off doing other things.
I think it would have made a big difference, just one dragon was able to hold its own against army’s.. even thranduil knew the danger of going against Smaug
Dont forget the dwarves had heat resistant Helms & armour. your ascribing too much power to the Drakes,& their were far worse drakes killed by single men & elves! Smaug was a pussy cat compared to those in previous ages
@@Aurora-qn2dx Not at all, it came from my dad who said " all good things must come to an end" he'd pause & add that is way, but it implies so must all all bad things end
I think that the greed of sauron and smaug would have been too great for an alliance to be a long lived venture. I believe that the people of Middle Earth seeing their impending doom upon the horizon would have had to choose their new master sauron or smog. I think they would have picked smog.
Smaug joining Sauron would've been curtains for the free peoples. Imagine having an asset like Smaug in any of the sieges for example, Helms deep and Minas Tirith would've been burnt to the ground and completely overrun.
@@markbritton6798 I am sorry but I have been reading the books for over 40 years - but Bilbo knew of Gandalf and Gandalf knew a little of Bilbo (and much of his parents), not much more.
@@georg.camerone56 having just written a long description of how Gandalf had to know bilbo, so i make this short, he is a maia spirit Olorin he dwelt in lorien as lord of dreams he had access to the Valar, mainly neiia he knows everyone Probably
@@georg.camerone56 In short he was an awesomely powerful spirit, a maia olorin, of lorien as the lord of dreams,i think i posted it elswhere?in more detail
Who really knows what made smaug any different from any other drake, they all have a soft spot even gauthrang had a soft belly, what made smaug different? i be surprised if anyone can tell me that answer. i know but do you?
Purely from military point of view if smaug will join forces with Saron forces many things will go differently..Minastirith will collapse, as well as osgiliath defences will not hold delayed Eye forces to cross bridge s, and probably whole hobbiton will be burn into ashes long before any party will gather there to carry on with ring mission..
@@TheBrokenSword Was there something special about the archers or bows of Dale? I understand that Gandalf feared Smaug not knowing part of his gem covering was weakened, but surely each of the havens of good have talented archers, and he would have been confident of getting at least _one_ elf to bear a bow against a dragon. I suppose the forces of evil might have parleyed with Smaug and pointed the weakness out, or Smaug, not going to battle in anger might have taken the time to check his armour over - but I can't help to feel that a great archer could have overcome Smaugs - let's face it, pretty but compromised armour design. With Smaug being defeated by the men of Dale - unless there is something special about them, then the great elf or human warriors could have performed the same feat, even with Smaug patching up his armour, and then, his felling would have dismayed the enemy?
I just remembered, the black arrow! Of course, without that, the other strongholds would have few weapons capable of felling Smaug! Now to check to see if you have a video on the story of the black arrow!
@@PippetWhippet there’s really nothing saying the Black Arrow was anything but a family heirloom. I think the key was the thrush overhearing Bilbo tell the dwarves of the missing scales near Smaug’s armpit and then telling Bard. Being an heirloom, Bard was hesitant to shoot the black arrow until he had exhausted all his other arrows. Knowing he was in a desperate and grim situation, he knew the last arrow must count and it did!
@@marcusaurelius9577 More like Bilbo becomes an Israel obsessed sympathizer and doesn’t let anyone else speak during the books/movies because he rewrote all the dialogue for himself. He’s a good fit for a hobbit, though. Same height. Just add the really obnoxious nasal voice that sounds like it’s coming from a boy who hasn’t hit puberty and you’ve got Benbo Bagpiro.
@@thebadaids on obsessed Israel sympathizer that seems quite ridiculous to say because he’s Jewish so of course he loves his nation I mean of people group Who have not had a homeland for almost 2000 years and were kicked out of every nation they went to Can you let people speak ever seen interviews scene he’s quite patient to let everyone talk no it’s not his fault for being a fast talker that’s just who he is and for a guy who has a mind Like a Gatling gun
@@marcusaurelius9577 I’m Anglo Saxon, guess that means I have to say we’re right all the time and bring the subject up over and over. I’m way, way more conservative compared to anything else and the guy is incredibly annoying to listen to. Hard to take him seriously, especially awhile back ago when he got shit on in a debate and just threw a tantrum, called a conservative a leftist and stormed out of the interview lmao. Great guy, definitely should be taken seriously and there’s no reason why he got turned into a meme.
@@thebadaids that’s pretty ridiculous to say if you mean Israel’s existence I guess you have to If you find him annoying then you shouldn’t watch him and talking about a debate here’s one thing not everyone wins a debate you will learn from them and everyone has become of me so it’s not a wonder it’s the Internet Seems like you haven’t watched a lot of his stuff or that you used one thing judge of character on everything he does which one thing does not define a person same as A mistake doesn’t define you for life
As Gandalf resurrected to the white he was basically immortal. No weapon could harm him but this is barely touched upon in the films & rarely commented on, iv yet to see another?
Of course I would choose Bilbo! The lad looks like a splitting image of Ben Shapiro. Quite useful if you're trying to destroy a dragon... Or at least, its left wing.
I love LotR so makes. I know it’s off topic but it’s so infuriating Amazon is using such an insane amount of money to turn Tolkien’s work into a joke. Imagine that kind of money in the right hands to make LotR content that’s accurate to the source. Think GoT type of work and world building with the same financial backing with the technology of 2022 but the charm and respect the LotR movies had. Instead, we’re going to get a politics course and a product of affirmative action. Tolkien is rolling over in his grave.
@@rossburnett9546 Lmao, because we’ve already seen the cast, snippets of the show being incredibly lore breaking. Plus, oh, IDK, the fact that Amazon have such a great track record when it comes to making a series based on its source material. Hell, they even have a high fantasy series they ruined already in “The Wheel of Time.” Come see me when it comes out so everyone can point and laugh at you.
So all these self proclaimed Tolkien fans cant answer a simple question, the movies bought in a load of pretenders. What made smaug almost impenetrable? il give you a clue. It was not his scales? If you dont know stop pretending you do!
I ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT A MONTH AGO & HAVE NOT RECIEVE AN ANSWER TO DATE, NEITHER FROM A FELLOW FAN NOR THE BROKEN SWORD EXPERTS, I COULD HAVE ANSWEDERD EVERY QUESTION WHERE NONE HAVE ANSWERED MINE? MAYBE YOU SHOULD PAY ME FOR THOSE QUSTIONS THAT CAN ONLY BE ANSWERED BY ME. iM GONNA GIVE UP SOON & MOVE ON INSTEAD OF WASTING MY TIME
Aw no he a whole lot more than that!, iv already posted his origins as olorin but im gettinb board with the complete lack of response. If you dont know the answers to my questions say so cos maybe iv got my answer by then & could enlighten some. Tolkien fans really! ?
Hobbits are naturally hard to detect. Virtually invisible to most, if they hide. Also, Smaug had never encountered a Hobbit and was unfamiliar to their scent. Smaug could smell a dwarf burglar a mile away. Hobbits were even unknown to Treebeard, one of the oldest inhabitants of Middle Earth, at least 11,000 years old.
yes and they are also weak and small
‘Smaug & Sauron’
The Quest of Erebor bit in Unfinished Tales (which contains many of the information shown in this video) has always been one of my favorite stories in Middle Earth as it expands the relatively simple story of The Hobbit by showing just how important Thorin and Co.’s adventure (and Bilbo joining it) was in determining the fate of Middle Earth.
In lieu of the insulting statements from the actors about the Rings of Power being "the story Tolkien never wrote" I do feel like that one moment from the first Hobbit film between Galadriel and Gandalf really is the "scene Tolkien never wrote". I mean how perfect is that exchange? It perfectly encapsulates Gandalf's dynamic with the world around him and gives insight into how he makes his choices. My favorite part is it shows how Gandalf, a Maiar, is just as susceptible to the things of the world as Sauron is, only in Gandalf's case, he lets compassion, courage, and fear influence his actions. Why else would he choose Bilbo Baggins, of all the people in Middle-Earth, to join him on his quest? Is it just me who feels that way?
I agree whole-heartedly!
The ROP is vastly different from the triology. As they said: "everything that Tolkien never wrote". Means it has NOTHING to do with Tolkien at all. Whereas you said a "SCENE that Tolkien never wrote". Remember, who wrote the LotR? Who chose Bilbo Baggins? Is it Gandalf or JRR Tolkien himself? I can see well enough since the first age, Sauron overlooked Beren to have a design on Silmarils. Bec he is powerless human being, just a servant of the more powerful elves. Sauron is more warry of the elves than the men at the time. He thought its Fingond who have the design on the silmarils, but he is very wrong. He didnt know that the silmarils is the bride price of Thingol for Luthien. Fingond has no plan to steal it. He was there bec of his OATH to the Ring of Barahir, which is in the possesion of Beren at the time. So Sauron killed Fingond but imprisoned Beren only. Until such time Luthien came and rescued Beren but its too late for Sauron bec he was wounded by Huan. Then come the third age. Sauron made his mistake all over again, by overlooking the hobbits. Aside from the fact the hobbits are smaller people and more powerless than the men and more than in hiding in their own place and have no cares of the outside world affairs. I think Gandalf has more than the instinct or insight for that.
@@evenstar1608 It is as Gandalf himself said. "Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I have found that it is the small, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love" That's as close to Tolkien as you can get without Tolkien himself.
@@iconicnzz6414 Or as it is as Peter Jackson can be. Remember, PJ had said they promised themselves not to put their politics on the movies. It is what we can say too in our perspectives or interpretation on the essence of the book. Not the "Everything that is Not Tolkien". Such an arrogance and disrespect of Tolkien.
@@evenstar1608 ah, so it had nothing to due with the fact that Bagins, Brandybuck, and Took were basically the equivalent to princes of the Hobbits because of their lineage, no much different than Aragorn, Legolas. Sam and Gimli be the two that were ennobled by their action during the war of the ring. Tolkien heroes are either nobles or ennoble by their action, they are doing a duty or stepping up to a duty.
I've read The Quest For Erebor and Gandalf was certain that Sauron would attack Lothlorien and Rivendell and with Smaug he'd most likely be victorious. Gandalf had tried to convince the White Council, but was always gainsaid by Saruman who was searching for the Ring in the Anduin River himself and only changed his mind when his spies told him that Sauron had started searching the river near the Gladden Fields where Isildur was killed.
Gandalf was also certain that Sauron would not let an assault on Erebor happen unless he had other things on his mind that made an attack upon Dol Guldur extra important. Thorin did not want Bilbo to come and even Gandalf's warning about having a foresight didn't scare him very much. He told Gandalf that maybe he had a foresight or was merely crazed from too many worries. Gandalf replied that he certainly had enough concerns with one of them being a "proud dwarf who asked him for advice with no claim on me that I can see" and then doesn't listen to him.
He finally convinced Thorin by telling him that he was fond of this hobbit and if you treat him right he'd have Gandalf's gratitude for the rest of his days. That affected Thorin more than the warnings and he agreed Bilbo could come.
Right. Bec basically dragons are greedy and Smaug will be easily corrupted by what wealth Sauron would offer him, in exchange of his help.
"Bilbo was very rich and very peculiar, and had been the wonder of the Shire for sixty years, ever since his remarkable disappearance and unexpected return." -- The Fellowship of the Rings, "A Long-expected Party"
Eru Ilúvatar obviously wanted the good guys to win and often intervened directly (ressurecting Gandalf, making Gollum fall in to the abyss). I can't think of any scenario where Sauron would have won.
There is one; If the men of Middle Earth had fallen to the same sort corruption as those of Numenor had.
Eru doesn't help those who do not want to be helped. This is reflected in both his reaction to Numenors turn to evil, as well as the mission that is given to the Istari; They aren't there to hold the darkness back themselves, but to guide the free peoples in doing so.
I love this channel. Deserves a lot more attention
This and red book are the best tolkien channels IMO.
Excellent video 👍❤️ would love a collaboration with Nerd of the Rings
SAURON N SMAUG would be a deadly alliance but not because of brute power but the intelligence and knowledge each brings. In retrospect SMAUG was killed by a bolt that pierce his opened skin, once can say that the alliance of men dwarves and Elf would have thousands of those bolts flying in the air that will eventually kill Smaug. But Sauron was inches away from defeating the Alliance if not for Isuldur being lucky and cutting the ring of power from Sauron’s finger. Needless to say Smaug would have tilted Sauron’s fortune and will more than likely spell the doom of the Alliances.
Yes, Smaug could have been a powerful ally, but could Sauron have persuaded the dragon to give up even one coin of his hoard or leave it unguarded? In many ways, that vast treasure could have been more valuable to Sauron than Smaug. With all that gold, Sauron could have bought whole mercenary armies and bought alliances.
Smaug & Sauron video!!!
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the Fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Borimer would've had a very different ending
I don't really like how Galadriel is put up as above Gandalf or Elrond, she's shown as a perfect saint, when in reality out of all of the Elves we actually see she is the one with a darkness most hidden in her heart of hearts.
I don't believe she was as powerful as Gandalf as the resurrected as the white, & much of her power was in her ring of power, not sure about the darkness? after all she did pass the test
Let's not forget she was one of the elves not born in the middle Earth and that she possessed knowledge from the two trees...
Not a massive point, but as an observation that fine tunes the meaning - rather than me being a pedant - when Gandalf is discussing what type of hobbit he wants he says “a foundation of the SOLIDER sort - i.e. “someone more solid” not “soldier”, which would give an inaccurate and misleading military aspect. A subtle distinction! (See 7:10 mark in the video)
Smaug & Sauron 2024: Building a better Mordor. 😛
Awesome video
Thank you 😁
I love this channel. Helps pass the time greatly throughout my day. Hobbit stories and Dwarven stories and elves and humans and wargs and orcs and eagles and wizards etc... these stories you have covered. Thoroughly I might add. What about the Boars. Those lovely creatures the dwarves use as mounts. Or more on the evil men. Like the rise of khamal. The 2nd to the witchking. Idk. Love the channel though. Keep it up ❤
Bilbo had a touch of common sense.
The screen character does not make the sneak and cunning ability of bilbo the hobbit very apparent. He just looks clumsy and prone to get himself into trouble to require saving by others until he finds the ring
Ok but why is Bilbo Ben Shapiro in that cursed thumbnail
Smaug & Sauron
I never too much wondered why Gandalf chose Bilbo, ad much as what Gandalf actually expected to happen. In a way, Gandalf can afford to just say "I don't have to worry about things; they'll sort themselves out better than I could ever try and force them", assuming that there was a plan beyond even him. It wouldn't take an army to seige the dragon, and the right people would find the right place, at the right time. Still, Gandalf was sending them off to deal with a dragon, and so long as it lived, it was a problem, so ge expected them to kill Smaug, somehow. I just wish we had a better idea how he might've thought they'd pull it off, especially once he withdrew to go deal with the Necromancer.
I also wish Smaug could have been useful. I frequently complain about how little it felt like Sauron used his supernatural power, allies, and crafting skill to fight his enemies; he mostly just used simple soldiers, and power through numbers strategy. None of the Orcs were "special"; none had superior skills, or kit crafted by Sauron. He didn't seem to use his power to fight on his own behalf. A great, flying seige engine, impervious to many weapons, and bellowing gouts of withering flame, could have gone a long way towards really pressing the advantage, and making the heroes have to work for the win. I liked the story, and I know Sauron was doing stuff, but the D&D Dungeon Master in me wished he would seem more monstrous, and a supernatural threat, instead of what we got.
Wow awesome glad to see these awesome discussions
Thank you 😁
Smaug & Sauron!
BROKEN SWORD Here`s a really big "What If" for you! We know that Sauron wanted his Ring of Power back, and Smaug coveted all things made of gold. So, what if Smaug had killed Bilbo with his dragon-fire when Bilbo was searching for the Arkenstone, and the dragon-fire exposed the gold ring in Bilbo`s pocket. Would Smaug have understood what the little golden ring was, and if so, would He have used it himself, or just tossed it in his big hoard of Dwarf gold to be long forgotten? Now...If Sauron then discovered that Smaug now had the Ring, would He have attacked the Lonely Mountain to get it back? Hmmmmmm..!
Sean Kelly-then what if Sauron possessed Smaug's body and used that as his engine of destruction?
he's a really big if how much did amazon pay them
@@brolly2612 What??? Your comment doesn`t make any sense!
Smaug and Sauron.
Splendid! great answer
Thank you!
@@TheBrokenSword the whole thing ua-cam.com/video/0wY9GL99USA/v-deo.html if you can wait until end seeing man throwing axes, weilding sword, shooting bow,,,,i just found ound out i'm not 37 i'm 52...missed few years teaching combat, kept me young
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Yes, I believe that the outcome would be different.
If you see on how the battles at Erebor went during the war of the ring... If Smaug was still there, then there would be a huge threat from the north. As there was no defense from the dwarves there... Sauron would also have spare soldiers ready to battle at another place. Since he didn't need to send soldiers to Erebor because of Smaug allready be there.
I have no clue if the Elves from Mirkwood would be able to slay a dragon like Smaug.
Plus, I wonder if the Army of the Dead would be able to kill such a dragon.
IF Smaug would join Sauron, he probaply would ask something of great worth in return. Also, if the war was over in favor for Sauron (or Sauron would win anyway), Smaug probaply could have his eyes set towards Mordor, like some sort of betrayal like Saruman did. I know Smaug really loves gold. But I have no idea if the rings of power would have the same effect on Smaug as normal gold, or would enlarge his 'love' for gold. And since Sauron would probaply be having the One Ring anyway if he'd won the war...
I also wonder, if Smaug would joing Sauron, why wouldn't there be any other dragons (or large creatures) join Sauron?
Sauron is back in the intro!
- a retconned explanation that didn't happen anywhere in the original book, to cover-up the fact that Gandalf chose him, just to _d*ck_ with him for saying "Good Morning" to him.
Imagine Smaug gets sent to helms deep or pelennor fields. Game over
Bilbo looks like Ben Shapiro in the thumbnail no offense to Mr Baggins
So glad I’m not the only one who saw this!
Smaug joining Sauron
For the answer, all you have to do is replay the scene from the movies when Gandalf is trying to decide whether to choose Bilbo Baggins (who was sitting outside his Hobbit hole smoking a pipe) or his next door cousin Bozo Baggins (who was passed out in the garden with his pants halfway down his legs). Then Bozo Baggins let out a loud belch and Gandalf decided to talk to Bilbo.
It is always an interesting question why Gandalf gets involved with the Dwarves.
Looking at the bigger story Gandalf knows how big a threat Smaug could be if he joined Sauron.
Kind of makes me realize that Gandalf is just using the Dwarves and not really caring of they succeded our not, as long as Smaug was defeated.
Melkor had glaurang, are far more powerfull duo., Between the Mormegil & the Valar wrestler they finished them both, forever & lets face it Sauron had Orcs, Melkor had legions of Balrogs & was amost as powerfull as Manwe
No its not & you should know why he involved himself with the great dwarf lords in previous ages, ? No . for the same reason he involved himself with the elves, the hobbits, Tom bombadil & radagast, to give & recieve council & he stayed with bombadil for some yrs after the war of the rings.does that answer your question?
@@markbritton6798 I might have phrased it a bit harsh but he does not seem as concerned with the Dwarves and their adventure as he does with the Fellowship.
Half of the Hobbit, Gandalf is off doing other things.
@@markbritton6798 Still, it would have been a great asset
I think it would have made a big difference, just one dragon was able to hold its own against army’s.. even thranduil knew the danger of going against Smaug
Dont forget the dwarves had heat resistant Helms & armour. your ascribing too much power to the Drakes,& their were far worse drakes killed by single men & elves! Smaug was a pussy cat compared to those in previous ages
Bilbo Shapiro in the thumbnail
Question of the day- no because "So comes snow after fire, and even dragons have their endings.” - J. R. R. Tolkien
Is that so! i referyou to north korea
Where does that quote come from, im just interested, it's one iv either forgotten or not encountered
Its the same as saying " All good bad things must come to an end?
@@markbritton6798 it is from the Hobbit books,Bilbo said it. What it means is that evil always comes to an end sooner or later.
@@Aurora-qn2dx Not at all, it came from my dad who said " all good things must come to an end" he'd pause & add that is way, but it implies so must all all bad things end
Smaug & Sauron. If you please! 😄
Yes I would like a video on that smaug and sauron
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I think that the greed of sauron and smaug would have been too great for an alliance to be a long lived venture. I believe that the people of Middle Earth seeing their impending doom upon the horizon would have had to choose their new master sauron or smog. I think they would have picked smog.
Smaug and Sauron :) For sure!
Perhaps I am afraid and Bilbo gives me courage.
I think an alliance between Smaug and Sauron would have spelled trouble for middle earth
Well that was the plan
More please
Smaug and sauron...❤
Yes, Smaug and Sauron plz!
Oh, like he had a plethora of choices!
Great video! Smaug and Sauron plz!
Thank you!
Would ever be doing a video on Prince imrahil of dol amroth and it's people's
It’s on the list 😁
Smaug joining Sauron would've been curtains for the free peoples. Imagine having an asset like Smaug in any of the sieges for example, Helms deep and Minas Tirith would've been burnt to the ground and completely overrun.
More divine than chance
Excellent video as always-but does anyone else think that Bilbo looks like Ben Shapiro in the thumbnail
Because of Bilbos bursting pantry 🍖🍗🍞🥩🧇
Well, no family and no responsibilities.
Bilbão Bolsonaricó é o melhor hobbit de todos.
I feel Smaug would try betray saron
Because Bilbo showed out a little with the smoke rings. Gandalf don’t play like that.
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Yes he does they had a smoke ring blowing contest & gandalf won
Bilbo looking like Ben Shapiro in the thumbnail…. Another great video!
Okay, why does Bilbo look like Ben Shapiro in the thumbnail though?
Can you do a video on the Christian themes and influence in the Lord of the rings series
It’s on my list :)
Please dont leave religion to the religious, if you do a Christian theme i might have to kill myself
If smaug had lived the north would have fallen and the goblins armies would have surrounded gondor and rohan
If he knew Bilbo before, why did Bilbo not know Gandalf at the start of the Hobbit -book? or did I miss something?
You missed something! & you didnt read the book!
@@markbritton6798 I am sorry but I have been reading the books for over 40 years - but Bilbo knew of Gandalf and Gandalf knew a little of Bilbo (and much of his parents), not much more.
@@georg.camerone56 having just written a long description of how Gandalf had to know bilbo, so i make this short, he is a maia spirit Olorin he dwelt in lorien as lord of dreams he had access to the Valar, mainly neiia he knows everyone Probably
@@georg.camerone56 In short he was an awesomely powerful spirit, a maia olorin, of lorien as the lord of dreams,i think i posted it elswhere?in more detail
Who really knows what made smaug any different from any other drake, they all have a soft spot even gauthrang had a soft belly, what made smaug different? i be surprised if anyone can tell me that answer. i know but do you?
Glaurang scuse the mix up
gauthrang was the sword that ened him
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Smaugron?
Why did you make the thumbnail for bilbo look like Ben Shapiro 😂
I have no idea who that is 😂😂
@@TheBrokenSword Shapiro is a right-wing gadfly. Your thumbnail does not really look like him that much.
I thought That too!
Because Tolkien told him to.
Yes, Smaug and Sauron plz
Courage
Purely from military point of view if smaug will join forces with Saron forces many things will go differently..Minastirith will collapse, as well as osgiliath defences will not hold delayed Eye forces to cross bridge s, and probably whole hobbiton will be burn into ashes long before any party will gather there to carry on with ring mission..
Agreed! It wouldn’t be pretty for the forces of good!
@@TheBrokenSword Was there something special about the archers or bows of Dale?
I understand that Gandalf feared Smaug not knowing part of his gem covering was weakened, but surely each of the havens of good have talented archers, and he would have been confident of getting at least _one_ elf to bear a bow against a dragon.
I suppose the forces of evil might have parleyed with Smaug and pointed the weakness out, or Smaug, not going to battle in anger might have taken the time to check his armour over - but I can't help to feel that a great archer could have overcome Smaugs - let's face it, pretty but compromised armour design.
With Smaug being defeated by the men of Dale - unless there is something special about them, then the great elf or human warriors could have performed the same feat, even with Smaug patching up his armour, and then, his felling would have dismayed the enemy?
I just remembered, the black arrow! Of course, without that, the other strongholds would have few weapons capable of felling Smaug! Now to check to see if you have a video on the story of the black arrow!
@@PippetWhippet there’s really nothing saying the Black Arrow was anything but a family heirloom. I think the key was the thrush overhearing Bilbo tell the dwarves of the missing scales near Smaug’s armpit and then telling Bard. Being an heirloom, Bard was hesitant to shoot the black arrow until he had exhausted all his other arrows. Knowing he was in a desperate and grim situation, he knew the last arrow must count and it did!
thumbnail looks like ben shapiro
It would be pretty funny to see Ben Shapiro Bilbo Baggins he destroys the orcs with knowledge and he drives the feminist dragon crazy with reason 😂🤣
@@marcusaurelius9577 More like Bilbo becomes an Israel obsessed sympathizer and doesn’t let anyone else speak during the books/movies because he rewrote all the dialogue for himself. He’s a good fit for a hobbit, though. Same height. Just add the really obnoxious nasal voice that sounds like it’s coming from a boy who hasn’t hit puberty and you’ve got Benbo Bagpiro.
@@thebadaids on obsessed Israel sympathizer that seems quite ridiculous to say because he’s Jewish so of course he loves his nation I mean of people group Who have not had a homeland for almost 2000 years and were kicked out of every nation they went to
Can you let people speak ever seen interviews scene he’s quite patient to let everyone talk no it’s not his fault for being a fast talker that’s just who he is and for a guy who has a mind Like a Gatling gun
@@marcusaurelius9577 I’m Anglo Saxon, guess that means I have to say we’re right all the time and bring the subject up over and over. I’m way, way more conservative compared to anything else and the guy is incredibly annoying to listen to. Hard to take him seriously, especially awhile back ago when he got shit on in a debate and just threw a tantrum, called a conservative a leftist and stormed out of the interview lmao. Great guy, definitely should be taken seriously and there’s no reason why he got turned into a meme.
@@thebadaids that’s pretty ridiculous to say if you mean Israel’s existence I guess you have to
If you find him annoying then you shouldn’t watch him and talking about a debate here’s one thing not everyone wins a debate you will learn from them and everyone has become of me so it’s not a wonder it’s the Internet
Seems like you haven’t watched a lot of his stuff or that you used one thing judge of character on everything he does which one thing does not define a person same as A mistake doesn’t define you for life
Bilbo in your video pick resembles Ben Shapiro
the thumbnail looks like Gandalf chose Ben Shapiro
As Gandalf resurrected to the white he was basically immortal. No weapon could harm him but this is barely touched upon in the films & rarely commented on, iv yet to see another?
Cheap labour! Hobbits didn't cost that much 😁
😂😂
So funny that you used Ben Shapiro as a hobbit in the thumbnail. 😂
Smaug and sauron would have won and the world would have been in darkness
We all know why... Gandalf says it himself in the books and the movie. Don't need your explanation
Why is Bilbo Ben Shapiro in the thumbnail?
Of course I would choose Bilbo! The lad looks like a splitting image of Ben Shapiro. Quite useful if you're trying to destroy a dragon... Or at least, its left wing.
I love LotR so makes. I know it’s off topic but it’s so infuriating Amazon is using such an insane amount of money to turn Tolkien’s work into a joke. Imagine that kind of money in the right hands to make LotR content that’s accurate to the source. Think GoT type of work and world building with the same financial backing with the technology of 2022 but the charm and respect the LotR movies had. Instead, we’re going to get a politics course and a product of affirmative action. Tolkien is rolling over in his grave.
Why don’t you wait for the show to come out before actually passing judgment.
@@rossburnett9546 Lmao, because we’ve already seen the cast, snippets of the show being incredibly lore breaking. Plus, oh, IDK, the fact that Amazon have such a great track record when it comes to making a series based on its source material. Hell, they even have a high fantasy series they ruined already in “The Wheel of Time.” Come see me when it comes out so everyone can point and laugh at you.
" Amazon is using such an insane amount of money to turn Tolkien’s work into a joke." - no, they are not.
@@thebadaids "Come see me when it comes out so everyone can point and laugh at you."
@@TheDanEdwards Annnnnd, here’s the corporate shill. The cycle is complete. Was wondering when you’d show up.
Bilbo Baggins is... Ben Shapiro???
Video 127
So all these self proclaimed Tolkien fans cant answer a simple question, the movies bought in a load of pretenders. What made smaug almost impenetrable? il give you a clue. It was not his scales? If you dont know stop pretending you do!
I ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT A MONTH AGO & HAVE NOT RECIEVE AN ANSWER TO DATE, NEITHER FROM A FELLOW FAN NOR THE BROKEN SWORD EXPERTS, I COULD HAVE ANSWEDERD EVERY QUESTION WHERE NONE HAVE ANSWERED MINE? MAYBE YOU SHOULD PAY ME FOR THOSE QUSTIONS THAT CAN ONLY BE ANSWERED BY ME. iM GONNA GIVE UP SOON & MOVE ON INSTEAD OF WASTING MY TIME
still no answer, i thought someone might be able to provide me with the right answer ? Another site maybe
Really happy to see your channel getting less then 10k views. There is some justice in this world. I am only here to down vote
Who care;s youl never know! anyway
Gandalf is basically Middle-Earth's Magnus Carlsen.. simply checkmating around with his Hobbit pawns
Pulled a botez gambit almost at the end.
@@mattrogersftw Sauron just wasn’t paying attention
And that Dwarves.
He really does not care if the Dwarves regain the land as long as Smaug was destroyed.
Aw no he a whole lot more than that!, iv already posted his origins as olorin but im gettinb board with the complete lack of response. If you dont know the answers to my questions say so cos maybe iv got my answer by then & could enlighten some. Tolkien fans really! ?
@@markbritton6798 well, that sure was a whole lot of whatcha-talkin-bout-willis for me
Because using small children was frowned upon
But they're no accountable according to law...
😂😂
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 so we can still use them?
Excellent!!
Great video
Thanks!!
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what is it ? You think if you say smaug & sauron enough times it'l happen? or some twat will give you insight into a non event?
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