Part 2 🔥 SUBTLETY ROGUE PvP DUELS 1V1 - WARMANE 3.3.5 WotLK Classic[Mage,Warlock,Hunter,Shaman] 2021

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  • @NibbaiWotlk
    @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому +2

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      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому

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  • @ellioth8917
    @ellioth8917 3 роки тому +15

    Since you seem to be having trouble with frost mages as 5.5k gs, I'll give you a strat I tend to use that works well.
    Run full PvE gear. You need damage to break his 2x ice barriers on Warmane's Blackrock realm due to pre-duel cds. Open with premed + ambush. This next step depends on a few things as well as your own reaction time. If his barrier remains intact and he has no fingers of frost/frostbite proc, evis him to break barrier. If fingers/frostbite does proc, you need to forfeit that eviscerate and go for another ambush before going into cloak. If we're talking about mages who aren't average, i.e. they're spamming deep freeze the whole time waiting for a shattered barrier/fingers/frostbite proc, you're going to have to cloak much earlier than this as you spam damage, it usually gives out the same result of them blocking. If we're talking about the first scenario where you can ambush and evis at the very start, shattered barrier procs, vanish it and open with another ambush. It's quite likely at this point he has fingers proc from your abilities and autos, so use cloak before using another eviscerate. Due to full PvE, this tends to drop them to almost about half health, although even if they rebarrier and you didn't drop them this low, it's still fine, just read on. The pressure at the start was intended for him to feel pressured into using ice block when we use our cloak, which is what we want. After he comes out of block, blind him and do something to bait his trinket (first aid or pretend like you're going to go reset and move away from him, I often find the 2nd option better so you're not in range of frost nova, also seems more of an urgent situation for the mage to trinket, also he feels comfortable he has range). Mage trinkets, shadow dance, shadow step and cheapshot him. Mage sees you stepped him, so he blinks the cheap. After you did that cheapshot, you're going to preparation to reset step's cooldown and step him again into a full kidney (often will find premed is juuuust coming off cd at this point, make sure to use it before kidneyshotting else you'll only have 3cb from that dance step cheap. If you're unsure if you'll have it available, just sap him at the start and use premed so it goes on cd and wait a few seconds before opening, it will guarantee it's off cd when you need it). He now has no block (even with cold snap he has hypothermia), no trinket and no blink all while sat in a full shadowdanced kidney from a rogue in full PvE gear. Basically he's dead. Even if he rebarriered on your opener and you didn't drop him to half health it doesn't really matter with your damage output whilst he's unable to act. If he popped pet at some point and novas you while you're dancing or you get frostbitten, you're going to have to use that vanish from the 2nd prep to break it, but that means you're going to lose your dance bar, so make sure you've got ambush and kidney bound outside of dance bar (I assume you have kidney bound outside of dance, but you're currently now on your stealth bar, just make sure you have it usable whilst this is active). As a sidenote here, if you use 2nd vanish to break a pet nova/frostbite after you dance step cheapshotted him, and you then shadowstep his blink, do NOT throw in a cheeky ambush before kidneyshotting even though you're in stealth, just kidney him from stealth and go into ambush evis spam (in case anyone wasn't aware, that's how you burst in dance. Ambush evis, ambush evis. Gives energy back from Relentless Strikes so you can do more damage. If you just spam ambush you're going to run out of energy and then just auto for 5 years whilst you pool, use an ambush once you finally reach 40 energy, then wait another 5 years). If you throw in that ambush from stealth before kidneyshotting, the mage can do something like turn to face you and then you kidney and don't have his back (you'll break his barrier and shattered barrier will nova you). He could also deep you here and now you got no cds. Frostbite can also proc and ruin your day. GG, all because you couldn't wait those few extra seconds to damage him. Kidney from stealth lets you be behind him 100% of the time ready for your burst in shadowdance, even with shattered barrier/frostbite proc, so just forfeit the maximum-value mindset you have with your cds and see vanish as a gnome racial in this scenario. You've got more than enough damage to kill him with dance up after kidneyshotting, so don't get greedy. Just hold out those extra few seconds before going for damage.
    This of course can go many ways and it doesn't guarantee you're going to win, but that's the general premise of a strat. For example he can pop mirrors during cloak and put another barrier up rather than blocking, meaning there's no clear run later. Or he could deep freeze your vanish at the start of the duel when you saw he had a fingers proc, which makes it a double-whammy of losing damage and now you're on the ropes rather than him. This is just one of those duels which can go a lot of ways, but this is just one way to beat them. You'll often find that the fundamentals of dueling mages revolve around the premise of using a certain ability to make them use theirs to exhaust their defensives (block, trinket, blink) and then catch them in a stun, often with a prepped shadowstep. The order of this often changes, like you could shadowdance to force a block for example and then use cloak to force a blink perhaps, the order changes around a lot, but the premise is the same. I just tend to find the strat I mentioned is the most consistent method.
    As a sidenote, if they deepfreeze and poly you, it's pretty effective to use trinket as he uses the poly and then go for more pressure, since even if he does a snap deep or re-pollies you, it's such a short duration on each before you're then going to be back on top of him again that it barely does anything. Then you can try going for a kill before DRs come back up. I've seen one rogue do this and then vanish step ambush every nova, just going for raw damage to force their cds before using cloak and dance later.
    Hope you or anyone else may find this helpful. If anyone else has any strats regarding this feel free to chime in as I'm sure there's more out there.

    • @mansnreyes
      @mansnreyes 3 роки тому +3

      Just commenting this for later use. My friends main is a frost mage and I can't kill him no matter how much I try. Will try your strat and comment later if it was succesfull ^^

    • @victorkorol220
      @victorkorol220 3 роки тому +2

      Nice strat there 👌

    • @philjackson_powerlifting
      @philjackson_powerlifting 2 роки тому +2

      bro what wall of text haha u a freal

    • @Micrologus5
      @Micrologus5 2 роки тому +2

      Thanks for taking the time. Great tutorial on how to beat frost mages

    • @ivangadzhanov
      @ivangadzhanov Рік тому

      I open FM with the standard max dmg opener, premed cheap shot eviscerate dance ambush kidney ambush eviscerate ambush ambush, it's normally enough if I don't get a kill, or he pops defensives and manages to run i'd restealth and wait for his mirror image to expire not allowing him to drink with distract, normally the opener bates the first ice block, then when i restealth and prep i bait the second one, after that if he doesn't cancel block and try to freeze i can restealth easily, if he does try to freeze I'd blind and aim to restealth, but when i see him block I tend to sprint away to prevent frost nova, on the 3rd opener he's dead meat cos he has nothing left, most people don't get that duels are a battle of attrition.

  • @patrikbogdan6008
    @patrikbogdan6008 3 роки тому +17

    why this dude hasnt got tons more of views? his contents quality is impeccable

  • @AntcnyLutskii
    @AntcnyLutskii 2 роки тому +10

    Great video and very helpful tips! What I recommend is to change your Tab button from "target enemy" to "target enemy player", this way you won't be targeting pets after you've lost your main target. Helpful against hunters and mages

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  2 роки тому

      Thats actually very helpful tip! Thanks

  • @vankowe6338
    @vankowe6338 3 роки тому +1

    But seriously though, I love you

  • @Def2ual
    @Def2ual 3 роки тому +2

    Even with your breakdown of the fight.. I couldn't do this .. Heaven help those that you target .. Great content

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому +1

      Haha thanks, but trust me this isnt anything special, just a little bit of practice 🤣

  • @kamikaze25
    @kamikaze25 3 роки тому +3

    This is one of the best of the best video you've made.. very impressing that you put such effort into it :)

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому

      Thanks mate! I appreciate it! 😁

  • @erinckar
    @erinckar 3 роки тому +1

    I was wishing this video yesterday omg its a miracle :dDdd

  • @Kraflyn
    @Kraflyn 3 роки тому +2

    wow, you put an extra effort in this one, good job! \o/

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому

      Thanks i tried my best and broke keyboard dueling frost mages 🤣

  • @nigatronbadgaaalxd1007
    @nigatronbadgaaalxd1007 3 роки тому

    Was been waiting for pt 2 thanks

  • @flaregun8921
    @flaregun8921 3 роки тому

    Got fun dueling you! I'm one of the SPs here :)

  • @nfc14g
    @nfc14g 2 роки тому +1

    Dude, gold content. Thank you. 15 warlocks dislike this video

  • @ImminentRegicide
    @ImminentRegicide 3 роки тому +1

    Do you prefer feral or sub? Thanks!! Trying to figure out what my alt will be.

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому

      Both classes are really good, cant really decide 😁

  • @lowzyyy
    @lowzyyy 3 роки тому +1

    High quality as always, gj bro 😀

  • @Arnaeos
    @Arnaeos 2 роки тому

    More !! great video and details !

  • @xavilla4
    @xavilla4 3 роки тому +1

    One question Feral druid is more worth to play? or rogues have more damage and cc?

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому

      Both Feral druids and Sub rogues are extremely viable in PvP thats all you need to know. Just play class you like more and you feel more comfortable with :D

    • @xavilla4
      @xavilla4 3 роки тому +1

      @@NibbaiWotlk Thx for response i will try both and decide. TY bro.

  • @wowmadness7934
    @wowmadness7934 3 роки тому +1

    Great videos as always!

  • @ScapEAusNZ
    @ScapEAusNZ 2 роки тому

    is there any reason why u never seem to use eviscerate? and when you shadow dance u just spam ambushes without evisc either? thoughts??

  • @SuperO59
    @SuperO59 3 роки тому +1

    vs frost mages I used to do something, I would prep and not use the combo points, then I would garrote and instantly kidney and dance, you can get some good damage in the opener, not saying it's a bullet proof tactic, but I won some duels this way

  • @deviouscat4571
    @deviouscat4571 8 місяців тому

    Also a trick against Priests: You should shadowstep sap them once their Weakened Soul debuff ends. Sap them three times so they can't use shield, open with cheap shot and start doing damage from there.

  • @bc8851
    @bc8851 2 роки тому

    Hello, thank you for video,
    I tried your opening vs demo destru but I couldnt cloak fast enough! It seems like succub cast faster than my global couldown, how can you explain it? Maybe I need more haste? I am 67 haste atm.
    Nice video tho, I really apreciate watching it, and I learned a lot since duellling is my favorite thing in the game!

  • @Macgregerson
    @Macgregerson 2 роки тому

    Watching your vids helped me to continue destroying rogues on my warlock

  • @memsyzabiymimozg9132
    @memsyzabiymimozg9132 3 роки тому +2

    Nice vid like always... But when u play vs destro lock it's better to open with garrote and slince warlock 'casue if u do ambush u will get shadowfury>seduction- even average lock will stun you with it if see waylay istead of silence.

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому +2

      Yeah thats true, didnt think bout that. Luckily i used garrote instead

  • @promtik8519
    @promtik8519 3 роки тому +5

    You are good, some tactics do not work against people who have 2k + duels, but these are still great tactics to start learning as a rogue, and I have to admit you are great at making your videos clear to everyone. But what about frost mages? I agree that this is a rather difficult pvp, but nevertheless it is so interesting and it is this fight that teaches you how to give your cooldowns correctly, and it is not impossible for sure. I made a little video where I duel with a mage who had 15k duels. I was completely in the starter gear like the mage, and yet I won a total of 5 duels with 9 (only recorded a few). And this was not the best magician with whom I fought yet. And I will say from my own experience that with an equal item, the chances are almost equal for both, 50-50. I'm not trying to say you're bad, I love your videos and wish you the best of luck with that. I just want to say that mages are actually killed in the sub rogue :) (if you want proof just go to my channel and watch "Starter rogue vs frost mage some pvp")

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, sure bro i agree with everything you said. Im far away from good rogue i just make videos for youtube and play all classes, so i never had time to master 1 class... i play wow only for youtube videos, so i dont really have time to do something beside making videos. Yeah, i will check the video, rogue is specific class and people love to master it.I rarely win duels against guys who have more than 3k duels, which is normal because i come to character play it for 6-7 days and make video and i sont play it till next time (5+ months) haha. But i can say that i learn really fast when i duel someone better than me, but god.. frost mages made almost break the keyboard

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому

      I just weatched your video, it is really awesome. I saw one rogue opening with Ambush and i tried and did pretty well, but in that time i was already on end with nerves so i quit. Btw i know this guy he play Frost and Fire talent. Second duel you used Cloak and Shadowdance without forcing his Iceblock, which every good mage would counter easily. Third is your win.Fourth duel wtf was that, you landed full Kidney and he was standing in place?(why not Blink), after that he used Iceblock and you were waiting to Gauge him.. i mean he is the one who dictates when he will leave the Iceblock, and turn around call pet istant freeze dp>poly gg(you were out of vanish). I mean he is rarly using pwt at all?

    • @promtik8519
      @promtik8519 3 роки тому

      @@NibbaiWotlk nah, you are good, really, much better then 70-80% of rogues in 1x1, i think this is because you know main mechanics of pvp, and plays all classes, and your videos really teaching peoples, thats nice, continue like this :3

    • @promtik8519
      @promtik8519 3 роки тому

      @@NibbaiWotlk he cant blink because i kicked his arcane school

    • @promtik8519
      @promtik8519 3 роки тому

      @@NibbaiWotlk and i used cloack and sd in second because there i was kicked his frost school as well

  • @ivangadzhanov
    @ivangadzhanov Рік тому

    IDK why locks start duels vs rogues with Suc, i'd start with VW, absorb the initial burst, coil, fear summon succ and then it has a bigger chance of pulling a charm off, since most likely most rogues would trinket the fear.

  • @letshoofit1236
    @letshoofit1236 2 роки тому

    I'm a hunter main was wanting to see rogues pov. I couldn't help but support you in the last duel as the hunters name was phedopile, so good job taking out that horrible sex offender.

  • @JesterPiero
    @JesterPiero 3 роки тому

    We need more if this man.. great job

  • @striker7729
    @striker7729 Рік тому

    bro you have the meta figured out lol

  • @talibanherzi9917
    @talibanherzi9917 3 роки тому

    FAVOURITE my bro love ypu so much

  • @sotuki5396
    @sotuki5396 3 роки тому

    i swear this guy is good with every class lol

  • @mishamisha7342
    @mishamisha7342 3 роки тому +1

    Nibbai i love your videos , by any chance can u make a video talking about tier list of most op pvp classes and your favourite ones? (most fun in your opinion) Thanks!!!

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks, but im not sure i can make such video. PvP is much more complex than pve, there is a lot of different variables to include when making tier list for pvp...

    • @mishamisha7342
      @mishamisha7342 3 роки тому

      @@NibbaiWotlk Thanks for the answer bro!, okay could u at least consider the most fun classes in your opinion? Big hug!

  • @noykungoo7202
    @noykungoo7202 3 роки тому

    About frost mages i have to agree with you, i also watched that video you put there and it rarely goes that way. You have to have really good burst and a lot of practice.

  • @andreyromero3596
    @andreyromero3596 3 роки тому +1

    good vid bro, mm hunter pleaseee

  • @keentenajeros744
    @keentenajeros744 2 роки тому

    Hey man ive been watching your rouge videos last month until today its so amazing super skilled asf .. i just wanna ask is your healthbars an addon or just a normal in private server ?

  • @tripollijordan6453
    @tripollijordan6453 3 роки тому +1

    Hunters look easy but as you say... the better the hunter the trickier to beat, never goes as planned

  • @nikolamaksimovic6338
    @nikolamaksimovic6338 3 роки тому +1

    The gas is going 🔥🔥

  • @smt2890
    @smt2890 3 роки тому +1

    i am looking for that addon : when u use any skill, after cd, skill splash on middle screen ( means:ready), u have it, but i cant find that bro help me pls

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому

      Cooldown Pulse addon. It writea in description bro

    • @smt2890
      @smt2890 3 роки тому

      @@NibbaiWotlk ty bro

  • @freelybia8911
    @freelybia8911 3 роки тому +1

    Do you planning some duel with froat mages, your frost video is a little bit old it seems to me that you improved so muxh since then. ALl the best 😀

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому

      Maybe i should do one really 🤷‍♂️

  • @bubunakopia3240
    @bubunakopia3240 3 роки тому

    Hi bro, one question, can you tell me what lock spec is best for pure 1v1, affli or destro

  • @Tys_edit
    @Tys_edit 8 місяців тому

    Bro what is your main class?❤

  • @MrStR1K3Rify
    @MrStR1K3Rify 3 роки тому

    GJ man. Show us talents you are using and please make updated Subtlety pvp guide.

  • @user-ns9ks2ec1y
    @user-ns9ks2ec1y 3 роки тому

    are you change a talents?

  • @flooffers2082
    @flooffers2082 3 роки тому

    I wonder how do you duel ret pallys as sub rogue

  • @BaraPersson
    @BaraPersson 3 роки тому

    Do you play on Icecrown or Blackrock?

  • @jovkec
    @jovkec 3 роки тому

    Jel mozes napraviti isti ovakav video sa mm hunterom

  • @v.slavov
    @v.slavov 3 роки тому

    Hey man I would love to see some Demo Lock BGs Action. I run it with talents for Drain Life as a filler spell with Spirit over Haste for Immolation aura dmg, Mostly PvE Items with a bit of resil from pvp set.
    Or you could just run the Noob Big Casts build for oneshoting too...but at that point the other specs do it better.

  • @izoxoi419
    @izoxoi419 Рік тому

    By any chance someone can tell me what is the song at 5.45 ?

  • @Jimmyyyt
    @Jimmyyyt 3 роки тому +2

    Good music

  • @bdub8972
    @bdub8972 8 місяців тому

    How to beat frost mage
    Here’s a good strat I use on my 2v2 partner when dueling. we are 2200 rated in wotlk classc. I found the most efficient way to get high skill mages to burn CDs is open with Ambush, cloak and spam ambush evisc until they block or blink, if you’re not doing enough damage (or they side run to not give u their back)to get them to block or blink hit cheap shot before shadow dance expires, that will 90-100% cause the blink. Shadow step kidney after that gets block. Then you blind, they trinket, vanish prep shadow step cheapshot and it’s over. If they don’t trinket the last blind save shadowstep and open with ambush, you’ll get stuck in frost nova, vanish shadowstep ambush eviscerate. Gotta be quick before he puts his ice barrier back on.. and FYI if at any time in this fight you are able to kick the mage while he is casting a FROST spell, he can’t ice block or nova and you just won.

  • @spirna6057
    @spirna6057 3 роки тому

    this was very helpfull, thx

  • @Goatji999
    @Goatji999 3 роки тому

    Can you do some soloq arenas or 2s

  • @alikhanzaipoulaiev2120
    @alikhanzaipoulaiev2120 2 роки тому

    Good duels, but you should stop spamming umbush when you have 5 combo point always use evicerate it deals more dmg and gives you 25 energy back which means more dmg as well.

  • @victormiasco3872
    @victormiasco3872 3 роки тому +1

    Nice one

  • @ПавелКазимиров-щ6ф

    Nice win noob destro 👍

  • @fajrinsani8665
    @fajrinsani8665 3 роки тому

    Make warrior duel series please.

  • @markelofid3529
    @markelofid3529 3 роки тому

    You played vs really unskilled people

  • @danialmoradi1896
    @danialmoradi1896 9 місяців тому

    Rouges are Insane

  • @Say04
    @Say04 3 роки тому +1

    Yeeeeeeeees 2nd part

  • @eddude299
    @eddude299 3 роки тому

    Nice video bro also can I have your addons pls

  • @ИгорьИгорь-к3ы1р
    @ИгорьИгорь-к3ы1р 2 роки тому

    fantastic !

  • @jeremycavite9659
    @jeremycavite9659 3 роки тому

    Hi nibbai, can you do warrior duels part 2 pls thank you 😊

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  3 роки тому +1

      Im not sure mate, havent play Warr for a while :D

    • @jeremycavite9659
      @jeremycavite9659 3 роки тому

      I'm sure you can still do it! You're pretty good at every class 😊😊 Thanks for replying! 💕

  • @slendfreddy709
    @slendfreddy709 3 роки тому

    Can a Bis Rogue beat a Bis Ret??

    • @heroldjaras9909
      @heroldjaras9909 3 роки тому

      no. also dk with 1400 resilience blood dk a rogue cant beat. i would say average frost/unholy dk with 1050k resilience a rogue can beat. also average warrior with 1050k resilience a rogue can beat.

  • @pukiainstainvardo3613
    @pukiainstainvardo3613 3 роки тому

    To bratee

  • @Midgardwow
    @Midgardwow 2 роки тому

    2 Videos and not a single duel vs frost mage, i will do my video against classes that i win too

    • @NibbaiWotlk
      @NibbaiWotlk  2 роки тому

      Do whatever you want just as i do

  • @revolucioneri87
    @revolucioneri87 3 роки тому +1

    addons?

  • @KAjo07
    @KAjo07 2 роки тому

    is it necessary to make guide for poor ele shaman ? wtf xD

  • @rickylahey3229
    @rickylahey3229 3 роки тому

    Do a voice rev.

  • @seabseanbo5588
    @seabseanbo5588 3 роки тому

    More enhance please

  • @JoaoGomes-zv8up
    @JoaoGomes-zv8up 3 роки тому +1

    Lol. Fouz player

  • @Trinitroniukas1
    @Trinitroniukas1 3 роки тому

    In this video your oponents are very low skilled