This Is The Largest Fast Charger Site On The East Coast! Full Technical Tour
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2023
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Tesla's commitment to building stations ahead of demand volumes is impressive. Many of EA's 4-charger stations went from empty to overwhelmed in just a year and they seem unable to cope with it.
This kind of site will definitely help with traffic as the switch to NACS happens. Even if a vehicle takes up ‘two’ spots there should be enough to go around.
If you park on the parking line instead of in between the lines then CCS1 cars don’t have to take up two spots. This isn’t actually an issue.
Tesla has been expanding pretty massively this year. Just in Wisconsin, they opened about 6 superchargers, with another 4 on the way (need more up north though). Interestingly, they have at least two sites where they're installing superchargers, but it doesn't show up on their "Find Us" supercharger map, Johnson Creek which is the halfway point between WI two largest cities Milwaukee and Madison. Another one is being built in Manitowoc as well, just southeast of Green Bay.
The Johnson Creek one is of particular interest because it's located in a Kwik Trip, which is a large regional gas station in the area. They've been resistant on hosting EV chargers, but I feel this one will get utilized a lot since it's a charging desert between those two aforementioned cities.
With the upcoming other EV's that will be utilizing superchargers, I have a feeling that these sites will fill up very quickly, prompting more demand for superchargers. And hopefully more businesses willing to host them to cater to EV drivers much in the same way gas stations do for ICE car drivers.
I'm glad to see more towing option superchargers!
We really enjoyed the technical dive - thank you, Branden! Can’t wait to see a V4 some day…
I’ll be doing V4 content as soon as I can!
Good review Brandon I remember hearing about this site when it came online a few weeks ago. I will say, the lot and the entrance driveway seem a bit tight, I bet it’ll get a bit clogged up going in and out when it gets busy and there are multiple cars trying to back into spots.
In the last 3 years, I only charge my EV car twice outside my house. With a 250 mile range, I am good 99% of the time. My other car, which uses gas, I have waited 20 minutes at Costco in line for gas. So for the long trips where I might have to charge 30 minutes, go to the bathroom, get food, etc
Temple, TX Buc-ee’s you visited on I-35 with 48 posts.
Just did a 14 charging stop road trip round trip at unique superchargers I hadn't visited before. It's amazing how much variety of sites there is compared to just a few years ago. We had 3 Bucee's out of those 14, and I would have to say those were among the best. Fort Valley GA was by far the busiest I've ever seen an establishment, easily handling a full parking lot of people plus 4 buses that arrived together when we first arrived. Of the 14 stops, only Brunswick GA had a frustrating lack of travel amenities.
Each of our stops averaged under 25 minutes for pretty deep charges per the default Tesla nav, which we trusted nearly completely this trip. However it still amazes me you can be between 2 superchargers and "recalculate" your route several times and get different solutions as the "best" charger location for your trip. I know that nav will auto-shorten your trip legs to a closer supercharger, but its a shame that it doesn't also go the opposite direction when you can easily reach a more distant charger on your route.
Thanks for the video. Planning to stop and check this one out today.
Another great video Branden!
I haven't been to this new Dillon one yet I need to check it out! I avoid that SC Buc-ees I went once and it was nuts. It took forever to get into the parking lot and to the Superchargers. I definitely prefer the easy in and out Superchargers and don't really care about Buc-ees.
That’s the future right there. Well, that and level 2 chargers at every parking space in grocery store parking lots.
Low power and / or large scale power shared DCFC at grocery stores make more sense than L2 IMO.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of costs for different types of charging deployments, inclusive of grid interconnection and charging hardware by density/unit count. For example, what is cost to install 4 x 350kW (~1MW peak load via DC bus local distro) vs 15 x 25kW chargers (375kW peak load site level) vs 15 x 8.3kW AC + 10 x 16.6kW (290kW peak load site level). How will these costs change as the hardware gets more common and commoditized?
@@brandenflaschhow would the cost of 50 low power DC stalls compare to just putting 50 240v outlets in a parking lot? Does it save cost to just have an outlet and let the user use their own cable over putting a full station in each parking slot?
The costs will be coming down significantly. Currently commercial L2 deployments are far too expensive outside of Tesla.
@@brandenflaschhave you done a video on these costs? I would love to see a full breakdown of it.
Chargers up front will be good for CCS cars with fender located connectors. This is a great location as most CCS cars will probably aim for Florence for an EA charging station. Nice drone footage.
Can't wait for the CCS to Tesla adapters.
Dillon SC is I-95 at the border with North Carolina. Near South of the Border. Also, lots of people would go Dillon to get married because of the lax laws of SC.
1 exit south of South of the Border 😅
I know Dillon about 7 miles south but people do not relate South of the Boarder with Hamer SC or Rowland NC as much as Dillon.
Nice coverage-need more of these huge sites in the NE!
I hope one day they will build more charging parks lile this throughout the country! Definitely need one in Chicagoland area!
Wow, great video, and great explanation of the supporting infrastructure layout! I get that the dispensers are optimally laid out in “strings,” without pullthru gaps between dispensers; but why, why, WHY, with all of that real estate, did they not layout pullthru spaces at the ends of each string??? For the company leading the way in highway fast DC charging, that seems surprisingly myopic.
That one site has more chargers than all the supercharger locations in Oklahoma!
Thank you for your service! As for the site, I appreciate what Tesla is doing but I wish they also did (solar) awnings, restrooms, porous pavement (tiles), etc But nobody comes even close to future-proofing their charging like Tesla.
Those all add cost but limited benefit.
Halifax, NC is about be the largest.
Nice site review. Branden, do you know anything about supply chain issues with the transformers used at Supercharger sites? I heard Elon Musk mention an issue with getting transformers, but I'm not sure if he was referring to those that are typical at SC sites. The reason I ask, is there has been a planned site in Destin, FL, permitted last March, and nothing has happened with it. BTW, it was the top voted SC site in 1st quarter 2023. Someone on one of the Tesla forums said they spoke with a FPL contact, and they said the site transformers were taking 12-18 months to procure. Have you heard of this issue?
Transformer timelines are *highly* variable but 12-18 months is a typical timeline I’m hearing.
@@brandenflasch Thanks man!
Another great video!!!
I don't know if I'm misunderstanding kVa, but a 1,500 kVa transformer would supply up to 1,200 kW of power. Two of those transformers means that the 40 stalls share up to 2,400 kW of power. Theoretically, that would mean that if all 40 stalls are in use and everyone's state of charge is low enough, then the cars are all limited to 60 kW. Am I completely misunderstanding something?
Edit: at 6:02 you also mentioned that the v3 cabinets are 387 kVa per cabinet. That would mean that each cabinet can put out a max of 310 kW. That's far lower than I expected.
What power factor are you assuming for those calculations?
If the average traveler charges for 20 minutes, then a station would open every 30 seconds. Btw that MY color is sick!
I enjoy Branden's technical reviews as I find the infrastructure and the electrical design of DC fast charge sites interesting. The myth that all V3 stalls can support 250 kW is actually sort of true. When you plug in your Tesla to any stall, you will get 250 kW if you car can accept it. This is different than V2 where you have to share power with the adjacent stall if it is being used.
This is accomplished not by providing enough power to run all of the stalls at 250 kW at the same time. Instead, knowledge of statistics and Tesla car's power curve is combined with power sharing between many stalls (20 stalls at this site). This is the smart and cost effective way to provide a good charging experience for customers in the real world, not some fantasy world where 20 cars with < 10% SOC all plug in at the same instant.
It’s going to be very interesting when Rivians, Lightnings, etc can use Superchargers and hold high power for much longer than Teslas.
Nice site review, Tesla is going to be the Exxon Mobil of the 2030s as far as fueling stations. Is it on Tesla or on the site host for things like a canopy? I'm guessing site host, and they're probably not cheap, but that's gonna be HOT in the summer.
Popeyes, Cookout and Zaxby’s not bad
Where is the unit for cars/trucks with trailers?
There aren’t any
There's a few pull in spots. At least the one closest to the corner would work fine with a trailer if it's not busy.
@@brandenflasch The four stalls that were pull-in, instead of back-in, looked like they would be good for trailers. Not as good as pull-through, but way better than unhitching.
@@georgepelton5645 they’ll block everyone else if you have a trailer sticking out
It seems there are no stalls suitable for vehicles with trailers?
There are not
@@brandenflasch hrrrm. seems like an oversight with the Cybertruck coming out - I will be towing with it when I get mine
Do you work for or used to work for the charging industry outside of UA-cam?
Yes
To bad there isn't any trailer pull throughs.
SC must be on Tesla’s xmas list 😂
You now, that was a really good explanation and all. But there's something you didn't cover, what the heck is a Zaxby's?
Hahaha it’s just a fast food chain in the south. I’ve never had it 🤷♂️
@@brandenflasch their tongue torch wings are pretty good if you like spicy wings.
@@LearningFast well I’m a vegetarian 🤷♂️
You're not missing anything, just another lame chicken fast food joint.
Zaxby’s is an alternative to Chick-Fil-A for those who don’t want the dogma.
Yeah um I live here and not surprised you’ve never heard of it lol
I haven’t lived in NC that long
Rivian compatibility ?
No
I kind of want to know what the history is here. This doesn't appear to be hosted and is a former restaurant pad. Does Tesla own the property?
I looked at property lines and the Popeyes landlord owns it
I’m bout to put those prefab units to shame!!!
Good luck with that
It looks like you just visited Zaxby’s from the crumbs in your beard! 😂
I thought I got them all 🙃🤦♂️ I had just eaten a Buc-ees beaver tail
Good to hear about this spot. We’re heading back to FL from Boston tomorrow. I’ll definitely put it on my list of spots to check out.
Thanks for the update. Will note this location on my navigation for next trip down to Florida.
Charging stations need to be built in the same manner as gasoline pumps, easy in and out, canopies, and trash n windshield cleaners....
How long would a new gas station survive buildings pumps this style???
Demand better!!
You’d have half the stalls
Not in the world, Norway has more superchargers per capita…
I don’t agree with people getting in supercharger habits. I would guess most just follow whatever the Nav tells them to go to.
I think it depends on if you do the same drive frequently or not
I never follow what the Tesla navigation says I navigate to my favorite Superchargers. Then sometimes I will try out new ones like this one.
I see what Tesla recommends for supercharger stops, but I always pick where to stop based on where I will be when lunchtime arrives, and what restaurants are nearby. I do get in the habit of stoping at the same place when there is a restaurant that I like to stop at.
Only weird people would wait a half an hour to charge a car. EV's suck until they make them on par with gas cars fueling up.
I guess I’m weird then
How many people run errands which require parking their car in public for 30 minutes regardless of their vehicle?
Next time you stop to fuel up start a stopwatch and see how long you are stopped for. Did you go to bathroom? 5-10 minutes? Did you go through the drive through at a fast food restaurant? 15-30 minutes? People will wait in a fast food line for 30 minutes but still think a 15 minute charging stop is way too long. Most times I have stopped to charge the charging finishes before I am done getting food and going to the bathroom. Range anxiety is a myth if you can use the Tesla Charging network.
Sorry Branden its still TOTALLY USELESS FOR THOSE TOWING A CARAVAN!
Weird -and, dare I say, morbid-people prefer inhaling fumes from ICE vehicles.