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Hi Terri, My main boundary is being treated with kindness & respect. Seems like common sense but have put up with narcissistic abuse more times than I'd like to admit. Our boundaries don't matter with those people bc they know everything & are always "right". They have no shame about being selfish, unfair, or rude (even with family members). How do I set my own boundaries without feeling selfish or inflexible, like them? This is a struggle perhaps bc of the (controlling & negative) way it's been displayed by those close to me most of my life. I'm able to stand up for myself assertively yet fear the repercussions when I do (with certain family members) - seems futile to desire a healthy relationship, even in the final years.
My ex bf said I was controlling because I said I wasn't ok with him taking my dog on a winter road trip without me and staying in another state, then meeting up with me a day or two later on his way back home. I told him he could take his dog that was 2 yrs old, but my dog wasn't going. Our meet up location was on the way to where he wanted to go to, so I said just drop her off and then go the rest of the way. He said no I was being controlling. I tried to explain no I'm saying I don't want you taking my 16 yr old dog on a 2-3 day road trip without me. He said I didn't trust, was trying to sabotagehis plans and being controlling. My question is, was I being controlling, I felt like it was my boundary. I never said he couldn't go or couldn't take his dog, I felt it was too much for my dog and my heart and said no.
@@karynwebster6384has he abused it dog. Why don't u trust him with the dog. Also I expect him to trust u with his dog. Is it dog disabled or need meds . But at the end it's ur dog. But seems like u don't trust him with ur pet
@jborrego2406 She was 17 years old and developing weird behaviors. She has rarely been anywhere without me. He also has very different ideas on how to deal with an injury than I do.
You are so not alone ❤️ I have a boundary basics video that might help with that here: ua-cam.com/video/BPPXnKvHcAc/v-deo.html I usually recommend a "resentment inventory" because starting with what is bothering us can be easiest.
Finally someone who manages to put it really well into words. It isn’t a boundary if it’s threatening my independence and it isn’t a boundary if it’s something that you knew from the start/ from early on that it wouldn’t work with what you imagined our relationship would look like. If it’s something that you saw is my way of being but instead of quiting or compromising you go: “yeah, give it a couple more weeks and I can change that about her!” That is not a boundary. If you’re trying to reshape me into someone else, that is not okay, if I am becoming someone else it is not your choice to reshape me. You can voice your opinion and take it or leave it.
Terri, this is SO apt! I get accused of being "too sensitive" when I RE-state my boundary of insisting that I am spoken to with respect. The dueler says I'm trying to control the way she speaks to me. So over the abuse. Get OUT! Thank you for showing this up for what it is, brilliant explanation, and example, Terri. ❤
Cheers to her for being a model . There s nothing wrong with wearing bikini s and feeling great about yourself. I only learnt two years ago about boundaries. I used the word boundaries on someone a month ago and they were so shocked . I’ve experienced a lot of the control issues telling me how to spend my money telling me how to dress don’t wear that it makes you look chubby. The sad thing this is my mother and brother .including internet control monitoring my phone sick and unhealthy. Just because this was normal in my moms family it’s not ok with me . I’m breaking the cycle of these bad behaviour s .Yes I can dress how I want . But Terri the reason people like you is because you genuinely care about people . I love boundaries 😊
I am so sorry you're experiencing this with your mother and brother, and I am also glad you're breaking the cycle and seeing how boundaries are helpful for you ❤️
I’m so glad to hear your take on the issue. Thanks to BB, I knew how unhealthy it was and was bummed to see how many people including females were defending him. Let’s make BB required reading in classrooms. 😊
@@erikavaleries Good guess and also a great answer but I was referencing her book Boundary Boss. I’ve read it like 5 times and new stuff sticks each time.
Refusing to respect boundaries and encroaching on someone else's, is a form of coercive control. Whether people want to admit it or not. What is also coercive control, is causing difficulties in someone's life, because they won't do exactly what you want. I had to turn someone in who used to work an le job, because he's off psychiatric medication again, and has gone straight into psychosis, posting gaslighting and insanity all over the internet again. I already made a pre -emptive phone call for a psych inpatient, so he can be stabilized on meds and not avoid liability for his actions, when it comes to court time. He's ruined the lives of several people, and is STILL arrogant enough to keep riding back and forth across the neighborhood, in spite of the fact he's made all the neighbors feel a bit homicidal. (Most people are pissed when you constantly make disruptive noise when they are sleeping, including during the day) The excuses I've heard from this guy are really out there. Last I knew, he was claiming he had some sort of magical powers, which is the red flag for a psych ward stay.
hello lovely Terri - - once again - another great podcast! Thank you for saving me emotionally. I have your book, took your class, read your newsletters and watch all your youtubes. So helpful! This one on boundary control and manipulation reminds me of most of my relationships and my abusive marriage. I am not that same person anymore. I will not tolerate this behavior anymore. Thank you for all you do to help us -
Thank you Terri. I'm seeing things a lot more clearly. If you've been in it for a long time you have to go way back to see if the signs of coercion was there.
Hey Terri, can you write a book for all women on how they could potentially test men before they get so invested that they end up being controlled and abused. This should be in school curriculum for women the cardinal rule is to never invest more in a relationship than you can afford to lose, and I applied Brady for standing in her power to that fool, it’s too bad she didn’t see the or him for what he is at the cause. He completely wasted her precious valuable time. Good on her. Women need to be taught in childhood, to stay strong with super great self-esteem, and to hold their power
"Women need to be taught in childhood to stay strong with super great self-esteem and to hold their power" 🙌🙌 Agreed! I did write a book about boundaries, called Boundary Boss, and I believe that setting boundaries early and often when dating will give you great information about a person. If your date cannot respect your boundaries, pushes back, or makes you feel 'wrong' for having them, that can tell you a lot. I also often tell clients to "pump the breaks" if they feel like things are moving too fast. If your person doesn't respond well to you being away for a weekend or a week, that may also be a warning sign.
Always listen to your gut. If you’re in a relationship and you start to feel like you’ve done something wrong, you’re the bad guy, you’re feeling bad about yourself, your not worthy and you are second-guessing yourself…those are very big red flags. Either run quickly or talk with someone to get a different perspective.
Oh yeah! I had a boyfriend that told me my shorts were too short, my hair was too blonde and that I purposely position myself when we go out so people will come and talk to me. Much more sicko stuff after I broke up with him. Exactly what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing 💗
I love you, Terri and I'm so glad that I've found your channel. You're always very well-spoken. Many times it's like someone switched the lights on. This video made me question my relationship. Can you, please, elaborate on this subject in your future videos? Thank you for your awesome work!
Thank you, I am so glad my videos are helpful 💕 I'm not sure which aspect has you questioning your relationship, but I have done other videos on manipulation. These may help: ua-cam.com/video/QdzSgcXNIoQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/XOQDvsK5qcA/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/PM8LtRxeFDQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/jh16UgGI0Lc/v-deo.html I also have a video on trauma bonds coming out next week.
Thanks Terri, I think there is alot of misue of psychology at the moment- especially around boundaries, gaslighting and nassastic behaviour. I also think people are so unexperieced at setting boundaries that they often do them in disfunctional way. Or people who can set a healthy boundary are labelled as demanding or difficult because people don't know how to respect other peoples boundaries to build a functional relationship. If only we were taught this at school. Thanks for opening the discussion. 😊
Theory of mind/ lack of mentalisation plays a big part in this. I am not you. I am who I am and will be who I am. Amen. I always think, if someone doesn't like what their partner is doing, step back, breathe, and go in with curiosity and acceptance. We cannot change or influence our partner period. If James love apples and Joshua hates apples, that is ok. Joshua don't need to break up or stop James from doing what he loves, eating apples. If James offers Joshua an apple, it's ok for him to say, no thanks, but thanks for asking. That's a boundary.
Yeah, I totally agree. There’s definitely a huge difference between boundaries and coercion. I’ve lost track of the numerous times that I was sexually coerced and not just by men also by women, from late teens into mid 20s. It was before I was willing to admit that I was a lesbian, but that’s a whole other topic. I think for me it stems from growing up in a home where you can’t say no to adults, everybody is you know right except you, and having to be self sacrificing and please other people. Which unfortunately also led to me being raped at 17. Just now at 35, I’m really starting to set boundaries and protect myself, and not allow myself to be put in situations that could do potential harm and leave lifelong scars.
I am so sorry you experienced coercion repeatedly, Olivia 💕 I am glad you're taking the steps to avoid harmful situations. That is a great way to show yourself love!
This video hit me incredibly hard. I recently lost a relationship where these were huge. We had set very clear boundaries for what we were comfortable with and what we were not. Then another man showed up. Everything you listed except for physical abuse he did. Guilt tripping, coercion, master manipulator, control other people. Even stuff I don't think you listed like lying and complaining about people behind their back. He did all of this but I ended up being labeled as the controlling one because of the boundaries me and her set together. I didn't even enforce the boundaries i didn't know how. And for whatever reason, being it the love bombing he was doing or something else, she refused to see what he was doing was wrong. And she chose him over me. I'm sorry for trauma dumping this was just so spot on for our situation and this video taught me so much for the future.
Hello! I’ve followed you for a while, but realized I haven’t introduced myself. So, hi from the PNW. Thank you for sharing all of your content over the years. Truly transformative and door opening for doing some good self reflection. 🎉
What if you didn't realize something was a dealbreaker for you at the beginning of a relationship because you ignored your own feelings about it? Said to yourself that you shouldn't be so difficult? And realized later (after you've grown) that it is indeed a dealbreaker and you're now communicating this in your relationship. Hope that isn't seen as control... For me this is a new insight (or at least: a dealbreaker you're now ready to live by)
You have every right to grow and change. And you have every right to your dealbreakers. So have the conversation and then you must be willing to let the chips fall where they may. ❤️
Often times people get into relationships not knowing what their boundaries are until they are crossed. As soon as they are crossed, that is a conversation that needs to be had between you and your partner quickly to determine if it is a dealbreaker or if the other person is able to respect that boundary.
Great video but now I have many questions. How do you deal with family members who have boundaries ("normal" to extreme) which seem to keep you at a distance? They're admittedly stubborn & set in their ways, display several NPD traits (eg, need for control & order, gaslighting, polarized thinking, condescension), and use excuses for lack of interaction. I've accepted the fact that NC/grey rock is better for my own mental health due to some stressful situations over the years, yet I struggle with guilt bc time is precious due to my dad's age & health conditions. His wife is the covert one, likely contributing to the rift... Or is she? 🧐🤔
What your describing sounds less like boundaries and more like control issues, and I am sorry you're experiencing this 💕 NC and grey rock to protect your mental health sounds like a good idea. As for the guilt, I have a video that might help: ua-cam.com/video/a-A3aGzGb2Q/v-deo.html You have to honor your experiences and feelings, too. There might be something to mourn here as well. ❤️
I wish I could like this video as many times as I have watched it and listened to it while working (I'm an artist now, no longer flying commercial freight so I get to multi-task even MORE! 😂), and just slurping up the very real and extremely important differentiation of boundaries vs. control. Thank you is "manini" (hawaiian dictionary...😅) for what you have given...us.
So into this the last few months where I realized I have so much desire for control. But in my case, it is not like these examples that you mentioned, it is more a strong desire for controling my whole life(+perfectionism🙄), and also other people but I am just trying not to do that. Please, can you talk about that? Perfectionism,desire for controling everything and that deep crave for everything to be done in a specific(my) way. Like, I don't want to control my kids one day and I am afraid I will .....dear Terri, so much warm greetings from Croatia❤🥰❤
Hey there 💕 I have done some videos on perfectionism, and high-functioning codependency has a big control aspect to it, which is what a lot of my videos are about! Try these: ua-cam.com/video/U3-0NcbTbYE/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/G6HVyMRsRks/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/T6RWDteCfWg/v-deo.html Ultimately, a lot of it comes from our childhood as well. If you grew up with a perfectionistic parental impactor, that may have influenced your behavior (because you had to prove your worth for love in that kind of dynamic). I also recommend asking yourself the 3 Qs when the need for control arises: 1) Who does this person remind me of? 2) Where have I felt like this before? and 3) Why is this behavioral dynamic familiar to me? 💕
I'm trying to get some independence and do have some friend from a line dance class. He is charming and convincing. He upped his game and it didn't work. The newest was not to admit he lost or misplaced a book from a neighbor so he said I was reading it. He took the blame and put it on me. He made me a part of his deception. Now I can try to convince my neighbor which would make me look questionable. I made it clear I am not going along with this. I told him he should just tell him. It's between them.
@@terri_coleI found that book. It had fallen behind the cupboard he keeps his lunch cooler and possessions on. After he returned it, I asked if he explained it to the neighbor. He did not.
@@terri_cole You are most welcome! I appreciate all that you give back and the passion you have! I have learned so much. And thank you for following up with a reply!
I was starting to get good at setting boundaries like with my mom but my problem is I always let them slip and I feel she takes advantage of my boundaries too
It is so difficult to set boundaries with our closest family members because we have been doing the same dance with them the longest. ❤️ Give yourself some grace, and don't be afraid to set consequences if your mom oversteps your boundaries.
Wow, that's why I felt so bad when my partner seemingly fully accepted me with my child- free lifestyle. My partner loved me that way for 3+ years (enough time to bond). Then, out of the blue he decided he didn't love me because I didn't suddenly want children. But I never wanted them and said that from the start. He accepted me from the start, then he discarded me with zero remorse, no empathy, and he blamed me for his cold discard, which according to him was due to me not wanting children (as if we ever agreed to having kids)...I felt heartbroken, and later I realized he lied about wanting kids because he started dating right away an older lady who was not into having kids because she already had a child from her previous relationship. Eventually I further realized that in spite of the heartache, he did me a big favor by removing himself from my life.
Exactly - dysfunctional boundry bullies call boundries controling..... been there..... My brother does that and I get it..... My father is a self-centered selfish manipulative covert narcissist..... I understand how traumatized people who dont understand boundries.... have not done the work to understand the borders of responsibility ...... they misuse these usually helpful psychology terms....
I have toxic relatives who have been doing this for years. Also, divorce now 4 years. My ex was somewhat like this. He played both side. My toxic relatives have been the real devil by doing a lot of this. I went through hell, and they still do messed up stuff and try to act like what they be doing is normal. Bs. Respect, boundaries and no tracking and attempts to control. When they start mess over the truth. Tracking the phone as well. I see who really needs help. It is very toxic and unhealthy. I'm 44 years of age, not a little child of theirs or property
I’m really struggling with the gray area of this stuff. I didn’t have boundaries in the beginning of our relationship and now, 9 years later, I’m learning about them and I want to make sure I’m applying them the right way. So many of these things in this video I am relating to but I don’t know how to navigate it.
Have you checked out my book, Boundary Boss? It's available in libraries as I wanted to make it as accessible as possible. ❤️ That's the easiest place to get all my boundary info. I have tons of videos about boundaries on my channel: www.youtube.com/@terri_cole/search?query=boundaries I would also say that setting boundaries later in a relationship when you didn't know about boundaries at all beforehand is a different situation than what I am talking about here. In this specific example, Jonah Hill was attracted to Sarah Brady because of what she posted on her Instagram, and then later turned around and told her to stop posting that content (and essentially, to stop living the lifestyle she had). If you approach your partner and lovingly tell them you've realized you have desires and limits after self-reflection, have an open conversation about it, AND you give your partner time to adjust, that is not coercive control. I hope that makes sense ❤️
I agree with the definitions. But what about if you state you don’t accept the fact your boyfriend maintains and entertains close communication / connection with and ex, who’s been “on and off” and creates a trigger to your behaviour? What if you state this nicely as a boundary and you respond by being respectful with your own behaviour towards any exes? What if the person in front of me is not respecting this despite promising he’ll do? This escalated to coerciveness after some point I believe, because you love this person and you don’t want to lose him
My Ex would use his BPD diagnosis to say “flooding” and would stop any conversation. It was always about winning. He was manipulative and abusive using therapy language
Thank you so much for this Terri. I, recently have been thinking a lot about boundaries! Someone like me always worries, Am I enforcing my boundaries or am I being vindictive?
I wonder how many multitudes of actors, actresses and models had to divorce in order to rescue both their careers and identities. Bette Davis famously explained the cause of her various divorces in this manner: "None of my husbands was man enough to become Mr. Bette Davis." If you don't want an actress to continue acting after marriage, then don't date actresses. If you don't want a model to continue modeling, then don't date models- or date one with a law degree who plans to make a career change after saying "I do." Models, actresses and artists don't do what they do just for the sake of one man or person or to seek a mate (although some might, let's be honest). Most do what they do because that's what they do, and it ain't just for YOU; it is to create great art and to be valued, in more than one way, for their natural beauty and abilities. It's tragic that some people destroy the thing they love by asking them to become their SOLE/Soul possession.
Any chance you have a video on boundaries vs control when it comes to parenting kids? Much of what you talk about is labeled by a teen as control, but are actual boundaries the parents put in place to protect their kids. Thanks!
I don't tend to talk about boundaries and kids as that's not my specialty, but if you haven't yet, I recommend checking out Dr. Becky Kennedy as she has great parenting advice and talks about boundaries ❤️
I had a falling out with a friend and she refused to speak to me about what happened between us, saying that was her boundary. Basically she said I was allowed to talk to her about anything except that. Is that boundaries or control?
My husband and I are very confused. Our teen son is dating a girl that comes from a traumatic background. She is now controlling him by telling him that WE are controlling him. She accuses us of controlling him with money, rules, limits on time they can spend together. He is in his last year at home so yes, he will have more independence next year, but while he is under our roof, we believe it is our right to have our own limits, rules, and boundaries for our son. She is threatening to break up with him if he does not "put his foot down" and tell us that we can not control him or them or limit their seeing each other whenever they want. He is 18 and she is 17 btw. Some of the things you are calling "control" sound like "parenting" when it is a parent/child relationship. The girlfriend believes she has the moral high ground that parents should not control their kids but instead let them be free to follow their conscience (which is how her parents parent.) Something feels very off here. We feel that she is controlling us by telling us we are controlling. Does that make sense? We fell crazy! Can you please shed some light?
There are times when parenting can be a form of control, but that doesn’t mean you are controlling your son in an unnecessary way, although it might be helpful for you to reflect and ask yourself if that might be happening. What role does control play in your life in a general sense? What are your fears if you’re unable to maintain control? With your son’s girlfriend, it sounds like you’re stuck in a difficult position with her having very strong opinions about your parenting! I’m holding space for you as I imagine that’s incredibly difficult to navigate. It sounds like it’ll be important for your son to know that you respect his opinions and value his individuality, while also wanting him to understand that you have his best interest at heart. ❤️
With all due respect I see different. Before she entered your son’s life, he already had his rules and it sounds that he was following those rules. Now this girl comes to the picture and to me it seems she does not like for exemple, your son needs to be at home by 10 pm! But she wants to hang up until 11 pm! She is trying to break your rules. As you said her parents probably do not have no rules for her! To me controlling starts at a young age. Can your son start to see a physiologist? I have a teen daughter and it is much easier for them to talk to estrangers than talk to their parents. Maybe he can open up to the professional.
Is it controlling to budget with your partner and try to limit spending on frivolous things?? I feel like that’s necessary. Like what if your partner wants to buy a sports car you can’t afford, and then they tell you you’re controlling when you tell them they can’t do that?
Budgeting is an important part of being financially stable and figuring out how to do it together or apart is what every couple has to do. I had a client who insisted on having separate finances with her husband because he was financially irresponsible and she had had bad experiences in the past. There's a great book that might help you called, Money: A Love Story by my pal Kate Northrup. ❤️
I agree, insofar as he knew this was her life, before they met. It was ludicrous to assume he could impose 'boundaries', which, in effect, require her to become an entirely different person. Even if she'd deigned to comply, how he thought she would be happy, for any length of time, is deluded. One tiny caveat is that he doesn't clarify what he considers "boundaryless, inappropriate relationships with men". For my part, that would be a prerequisite in any such relationship; but maybe that's just me (again, depending on his definition). Quite how a 'surfer/model' satisfies sponsors and promotes herself, without bathing suit pictures, is beyond me. All that said, his 'requirements' do infact mirror my own. The difference is I'd never even begin a relationship with someone perfectly content with a life that I couldn't tolerate. It would be disasterous for both parties, in my opinion. His text may have been perfectly reasonable, if she'd worked as a secretary/mechanic/nurse etc... AND he'd laid them out on the first date. Personally, if these boundaries are discovered to be already well and truly breached, I'd explain (again, on first discovery) that we could not have a successful relationship. I see no point in attempting to change a person who is perfectly content with the life they've carved out. I could never provide the life that keeps them happy. As you may suspect, I'm not in a relationship and struggle to imagine finding a modern woman I could tolerate (or would tolerate me!😊). It strikes me that one big difference between "boundaries" and "manipulation/coercion" is not necessarily the actual words, but the context.
Thanks for sharing- context does matter! As you said, "how he thought she would be happy, for any length of time, is deluded." It's one thing to set boundaries at the beginning of a relationship, it's another to suddenly decide to have them months in.
We cannot make someone see what they are not ready to see. ❤️ I know it is painful. If you've already tried and they cut you off, then it might be time to take a step back. Be there for them if and when they do recognize it.
If he had stated that from the get go would it have been not coercive? At the beginning of my relationship my partner had all of these girls he had slept with on his social media and was always in contact with them I said I am not comfortable with that so I have no idea why you need to be in contact with them all when youve had a sexual relationship. I guess thats coercive but it made me feel so insecure.
It is a boundary request if you set it up from the beginning as a deal-breaker and he agreed to not be in touch with all his exes. It sounds like you mentioned it but he did not agree. I'm sorry you're experiencing that 💕
Me and my boyfriend had an argument yesterday and he was accusing me 😢 he was upset about my Facebook accounts 😢 asking if I create another Facebook account and that its affecting his trust I'm losing his trust 😢 but he still said babe are you there. I wanted space after that terrible fight. He said and saw I was being bullied on facebook. But he wasn't handling it very well. He was handling to harsh 😢😢 he was yelling and swearing at me on phone yesterday .
I'm so sorry you're going through this rough time with your boyfriend 💕 It's also okay to say, "Please stop yelling and swearing at me. It's making me upset. If you don't, I will need to hang up to give this space to cool down." You have every right to tell him that and follow through on it.
@@terri_coleyup I did actually tell him to stop swearing yelling because he wasn't very calm. But he said no I'm pissed. He still did it today again because he was still pissed off at all these fake accounts of me. He's like I'm just trying to protect you. but It just didn't feel like at all he was only making me more upset and cry. He did say he hates making me cry and that he was sorry for getting mad at me. I also did say if you don't trust me just walk out of my life there's the door just shut the door. Cuz usually relationships don't survive with trust issues I don't think. For me dating somebody with trust issues is tough because I constantly have anxiety of losing his trust. Won't his trust issues ever go away? Because I don't like the way he acts I don't like his trust issues it is awful 😔 it's hurting me affecting me his trust issues. I even told him I'm going to leave Facebook. But he doesn't want me to leave Facebook.
He doesn't get a say in how you manage your social media. You have the right to leave your account whenever you want. You also have a right to tell him what you said here: "It doesn't feel like you're protecting me. What would actually make me feel supported is this..." (and then say what feels true to you). If he apologized for getting mad at you and continued to act angrily, then his words aren't aligning with his actions. As to whether his trust issues will go away, that depends on whether he is willing to do the work to examine them or not. Is he open to going to therapy or getting counseling? Is he open to talking about it honestly? If not, then they may not go away. Trust issues aren't something that disappear, unfortunately. But it IS tough to date folks with trust issues, so I want to validate that for you. 💕 Ultimately, it's up to you whether you want to continue this relationship or not. Someone having trust issues could be a deal-breaker for you. You have a right to that. And some relationships do survive breaches in trust, but it takes a lot of work and commitment to do so. 💕
@@terri_cole ya I told him to stop doing that stopped yelling swearing. I even said if you don't trust me just walk out of my life and close the door. Because your trust issues is effecting me. because I don't really want to be around someone if they don't trust me. I love and care about him but but his actions is out of control I don't know if there's help out there or something that will help him over come this? He gets angry way to quity.
Hi Melina, I don't offer 1:1 coaching or therapy anymore as I'm trying to help make mental health information more accessible on a global level through my videos, courses, and books. 💕
Dear Terri, if you see this, please tell me, when your partner says i met you when you had this body( curvy 60kgs) and but because now you are so thin (43kg - i lost kilos due to mental anxiety disorder and family/health trauma), i dont want to have sex with you until you get back in shape. And he means it. He has not chased me for sex for 8 years now. We are together 10. Ichase him, and it happens very rare ( 10 times year max). And i am only 30 and he is 36. What is that? His boundary or control? Or something else that i cant find the words for? I admit i didnt try do get back in shape until now, i assume its because i wasn't feeling ready to try
I watched your video about vulnerable narcissists and then started looking for a way to deal with "mine". Only to come here and realize I have become controlling and manipulative. Probably not to the degree you talk about here (yet) but how on earth did this happen? I've become a screaming, demanding, eye rolling bitch. I'm pretty sure I wasn't before. Talk about toxic! Now that I have heard this, I can recognize what is happening when it is happening, I hope. Once again, I have to get back to therapy. I do not want to be the person I've become. Just because he's got problems doesn't mean I had to become a problem.
I am witnessing you with so much compassion ❤️ Self-awareness is so critical and it is great you're able to recognize it when it's happening, and also that therapy may help. I am cheering you on along your journey ❤️
Wow this could be taken out of context and used very well against Christian based marriages, if you think man will be silent about spouse putting herself out there, you expect men to do their part and more yet when it comes to women then measure is completely different..and God forbid you point something out that you have concern with..
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The guilt glue from the inside and the shame roping from the outside I’ve allowed has nearly destroyed me
Hi Terri, My main boundary is being treated with kindness & respect. Seems like common sense but have put up with narcissistic abuse more times than I'd like to admit. Our boundaries don't matter with those people bc they know everything & are always "right". They have no shame about being selfish, unfair, or rude (even with family members). How do I set my own boundaries without feeling selfish or inflexible, like them?
This is a struggle perhaps bc of the (controlling & negative) way it's been displayed by those close to me most of my life. I'm able to stand up for myself assertively yet fear the repercussions when I do (with certain family members) - seems futile to desire a healthy relationship, even in the final years.
My ex bf said I was controlling because I said I wasn't ok with him taking my dog on a winter road trip without me and staying in another state, then meeting up with me a day or two later on his way back home. I told him he could take his dog that was 2 yrs old, but my dog wasn't going. Our meet up location was on the way to where he wanted to go to, so I said just drop her off and then go the rest of the way. He said no I was being controlling. I tried to explain no I'm saying I don't want you taking my 16 yr old dog on a 2-3 day road trip without me. He said I didn't trust, was trying to sabotagehis plans and being controlling. My question is, was I being controlling, I felt like it was my boundary. I never said he couldn't go or couldn't take his dog, I felt it was too much for my dog and my heart and said no.
@@karynwebster6384has he abused it dog. Why don't u trust him with the dog. Also I expect him to trust u with his dog. Is it dog disabled or need meds . But at the end it's ur dog. But seems like u don't trust him with ur pet
@jborrego2406 She was 17 years old and developing weird behaviors. She has rarely been anywhere without me. He also has very different ideas on how to deal with an injury than I do.
I totally agree, boundaries are intended to keep one safe. To use them for anything else is manipulation.
“You know what buddy, I don’t give a shit what you like!” AMEN AMEN AMEN. Thank you Terri 🙏🏽
You are so welcome ❤️ Thanks for being here!
I have not grown up with healthy dynamics in the family and honestly I am still confused what's okay and what's not.
Im learning too
You are so not alone ❤️ I have a boundary basics video that might help with that here: ua-cam.com/video/BPPXnKvHcAc/v-deo.html I usually recommend a "resentment inventory" because starting with what is bothering us can be easiest.
I'm learning too, good to hear these boundary distinctions Terry and
thank you for the video link as well.
So helpful~ 😊
Same here. Its hard but we have to be vigilant.
Thank you! I see people twist therapy speak to use against others.
It seems to be getting more and more common!
Terry this is why I don’t like Codependency either. It is used to pathologies attachment
Finally someone who manages to put it really well into words. It isn’t a boundary if it’s threatening my independence and it isn’t a boundary if it’s something that you knew from the start/ from early on that it wouldn’t work with what you imagined our relationship would look like. If it’s something that you saw is my way of being but instead of quiting or compromising you go: “yeah, give it a couple more weeks and I can change that about her!” That is not a boundary. If you’re trying to reshape me into someone else, that is not okay, if I am becoming someone else it is not your choice to reshape me. You can voice your opinion and take it or leave it.
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@@RecreationalUseOnly what do you mean by “rationalising hoe’ing out with toxic friends”
@@terri_coleSometimes it is after marriage.
Terri, this is SO apt! I get accused of being "too sensitive" when I RE-state my boundary of insisting that I am spoken to with respect. The dueler says I'm trying to control the way she speaks to me. So over the abuse. Get OUT! Thank you for showing this up for what it is, brilliant explanation, and example, Terri. ❤
Thank you for sharing this example as well 💕
Cheers to her for being a model . There s nothing wrong with wearing bikini s and feeling great about yourself. I only learnt two years ago about boundaries. I used the word boundaries on someone a month ago and they were so shocked . I’ve experienced a lot of the control issues telling me how to spend my money telling me how to dress don’t wear that it makes you look chubby. The sad thing this is my mother and brother .including internet control monitoring my phone sick and unhealthy. Just because this was normal in my moms family it’s not ok with me . I’m breaking the cycle of these bad behaviour s .Yes I can dress how I want . But Terri the reason people like you is because you genuinely care about people . I love boundaries 😊
I am so sorry you're experiencing this with your mother and brother, and I am also glad you're breaking the cycle and seeing how boundaries are helpful for you ❤️
I’m so glad to hear your take on the issue. Thanks to BB, I knew how unhealthy it was and was bummed to see how many people including females were defending him. Let’s make BB required reading in classrooms. 😊
Thank you so much, Megan ❤️❤️ Glad BB helped!
Who is BB? I was guessing Brene Brown?
@@erikavaleries Good guess and also a great answer but I was referencing her book Boundary Boss. I’ve read it like 5 times and new stuff sticks each time.
@@meganengland3252 oh! Great to know! I need to read it now. Thanks for answering!
@@Patricia_Stewart337 thanks!!
Refusing to respect boundaries and encroaching on someone else's, is a form of coercive control. Whether people want to admit it or not.
What is also coercive control, is causing difficulties in someone's life, because they won't do exactly what you want.
I had to turn someone in who used to work an le job, because he's off psychiatric medication again, and has gone straight into psychosis, posting gaslighting and insanity all over the internet again.
I already made a pre -emptive phone call for a psych inpatient, so he can be stabilized on meds and not avoid liability for his actions, when it comes to court time.
He's ruined the lives of several people, and is STILL arrogant enough to keep riding back and forth across the neighborhood, in spite of the fact he's made all the neighbors feel a bit homicidal. (Most people are pissed when you constantly make disruptive noise when they are sleeping, including during the day)
The excuses I've heard from this guy are really out there. Last I knew, he was claiming he had some sort of magical powers, which is the red flag for a psych ward stay.
My boundaries tell others what I will and won't tolerate. My boundaries dont control what others do or say.
I love it
Plain speak finally
It makes sense because it makes sense.
hello lovely Terri - - once again - another great podcast! Thank you for saving me emotionally. I have your book, took your class, read your newsletters and watch all your youtubes. So helpful! This one on boundary control and manipulation reminds me of most of my relationships and my abusive marriage. I am not that same person anymore. I will not tolerate this behavior anymore. Thank you for all you do to help us -
I appreciate you, Linda ❤️ "I will not tolerate this behavior anymore" 🙌🙌
Thank you Terri.
I'm seeing things a lot more clearly. If you've been in it for a long time you have to go way back to see if the signs of coercion was there.
So true 💕
Hey Terri, can you write a book for all women on how they could potentially test men before they get so invested that they end up being controlled and abused. This should be in school curriculum for women the cardinal rule is to never invest more in a relationship than you can afford to lose, and I applied Brady for standing in her power to that fool, it’s too bad she didn’t see the or him for what he is at the cause. He completely wasted her precious valuable time. Good on her. Women need to be taught in childhood, to stay strong with super great self-esteem, and to hold their power
"Women need to be taught in childhood to stay strong with super great self-esteem and to hold their power" 🙌🙌 Agreed!
I did write a book about boundaries, called Boundary Boss, and I believe that setting boundaries early and often when dating will give you great information about a person. If your date cannot respect your boundaries, pushes back, or makes you feel 'wrong' for having them, that can tell you a lot.
I also often tell clients to "pump the breaks" if they feel like things are moving too fast. If your person doesn't respond well to you being away for a weekend or a week, that may also be a warning sign.
Always listen to your gut. If you’re in a relationship and you start to feel like you’ve done something wrong, you’re the bad guy, you’re feeling bad about yourself, your not worthy and you are second-guessing yourself…those are very big red flags. Either run quickly or talk with someone to get a different perspective.
Oh yeah! I had a boyfriend that told me my shorts were too short, my hair was too blonde and that I purposely position myself when we go out so people will come and talk to me. Much more sicko stuff after I broke up with him. Exactly what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing 💗
I am so glad you were able to get out of that relationship ❤️
I love you, Terri and I'm so glad that I've found your channel. You're always very well-spoken. Many times it's like someone switched the lights on.
This video made me question my relationship. Can you, please, elaborate on this subject in your future videos?
Thank you for your awesome work!
Thank you, I am so glad my videos are helpful 💕 I'm not sure which aspect has you questioning your relationship, but I have done other videos on manipulation. These may help:
ua-cam.com/video/QdzSgcXNIoQ/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/XOQDvsK5qcA/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/PM8LtRxeFDQ/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/jh16UgGI0Lc/v-deo.html
I also have a video on trauma bonds coming out next week.
Thanks Terri, I think there is alot of misue of psychology at the moment- especially around boundaries, gaslighting and nassastic behaviour. I also think people are so unexperieced at setting boundaries that they often do them in disfunctional way. Or people who can set a healthy boundary are labelled as demanding or difficult because people don't know how to respect other peoples boundaries to build a functional relationship. If only we were taught this at school. Thanks for opening the discussion. 😊
I feel you, Renee ❤️ These terms do get thrown around a lot and there is so much dysfunction as none of us were taught these things!
Theory of mind/ lack of mentalisation plays a big part in this. I am not you. I am who I am and will be who I am. Amen. I always think, if someone doesn't like what their partner is doing, step back, breathe, and go in with curiosity and acceptance. We cannot change or influence our partner period. If James love apples and Joshua hates apples, that is ok. Joshua don't need to break up or stop James from doing what he loves, eating apples. If James offers Joshua an apple, it's ok for him to say, no thanks, but thanks for asking. That's a boundary.
Yeah, I totally agree. There’s definitely a huge difference between boundaries and coercion. I’ve lost track of the numerous times that I was sexually coerced and not just by men also by women, from late teens into mid 20s. It was before I was willing to admit that I was a lesbian, but that’s a whole other topic. I think for me it stems from growing up in a home where you can’t say no to adults, everybody is you know right except you, and having to be self sacrificing and please other people. Which unfortunately also led to me being raped at 17. Just now at 35, I’m really starting to set boundaries and protect myself, and not allow myself to be put in situations that could do potential harm and leave lifelong scars.
I am so sorry you experienced coercion repeatedly, Olivia 💕 I am glad you're taking the steps to avoid harmful situations. That is a great way to show yourself love!
@@terri_cole sexual coercion isn’t considered rape, is it?
I agree with you 100%....those were not boundaries. Thank you Terri for all your videos....they have really helped me....
I am so glad my videos have been helpful for you ❤️
This video hit me incredibly hard. I recently lost a relationship where these were huge. We had set very clear boundaries for what we were comfortable with and what we were not. Then another man showed up. Everything you listed except for physical abuse he did. Guilt tripping, coercion, master manipulator, control other people. Even stuff I don't think you listed like lying and complaining about people behind their back. He did all of this but I ended up being labeled as the controlling one because of the boundaries me and her set together. I didn't even enforce the boundaries i didn't know how. And for whatever reason, being it the love bombing he was doing or something else, she refused to see what he was doing was wrong. And she chose him over me.
I'm sorry for trauma dumping this was just so spot on for our situation and this video taught me so much for the future.
I am witnessing you with so much compassion ❤️ I'm glad the video was helpful for you.
I had to LOL with how passionate Terri was in this video. Fbombs and all, I loved it! 😂🎉❤
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I just thought of the movie. Sleeping with the enemy. It's scary.
Thank you so much
I suffered this and it was so helpful to have it articulated and clarified
I am so sorry you experienced this kind of control, though I am glad the video was helpful 💕
Hello! I’ve followed you for a while, but realized I haven’t introduced myself. So, hi from the PNW. Thank you for sharing all of your content over the years. Truly transformative and door opening for doing some good self reflection. 🎉
So glad to have you here, Kayt ❤️ Thanks for taking the time to comment!
What if you didn't realize something was a dealbreaker for you at the beginning of a relationship because you ignored your own feelings about it? Said to yourself that you shouldn't be so difficult? And realized later (after you've grown) that it is indeed a dealbreaker and you're now communicating this in your relationship. Hope that isn't seen as control... For me this is a new insight (or at least: a dealbreaker you're now ready to live by)
You have every right to grow and change. And you have every right to your dealbreakers. So have the conversation and then you must be willing to let the chips fall where they may. ❤️
Often times people get into relationships not knowing what their boundaries are until they are crossed. As soon as they are crossed, that is a conversation that needs to be had between you and your partner quickly to determine if it is a dealbreaker or if the other person is able to respect that boundary.
Dang Terri you just so clearly explained that by flipping the script!!
I'm glad the example was helpful ❤️
Great video but now I have many questions. How do you deal with family members who have boundaries ("normal" to extreme) which seem to keep you at a distance? They're admittedly stubborn & set in their ways, display several NPD traits (eg, need for control & order, gaslighting, polarized thinking, condescension), and use excuses for lack of interaction. I've accepted the fact that NC/grey rock is better for my own mental health due to some stressful situations over the years, yet I struggle with guilt bc time is precious due to my dad's age & health conditions. His wife is the covert one, likely contributing to the rift... Or is she? 🧐🤔
What your describing sounds less like boundaries and more like control issues, and I am sorry you're experiencing this 💕 NC and grey rock to protect your mental health sounds like a good idea. As for the guilt, I have a video that might help: ua-cam.com/video/a-A3aGzGb2Q/v-deo.html
You have to honor your experiences and feelings, too. There might be something to mourn here as well. ❤️
self harm as a form of control - "if you leave me I'll....... " this hurts so much
I wish I could like this video as many times as I have watched it and listened to it while working (I'm an artist now, no longer flying commercial freight so I get to multi-task even MORE! 😂), and just slurping up the very real and extremely important differentiation of boundaries vs. control. Thank you is "manini" (hawaiian dictionary...😅) for what you have given...us.
Terri, you are exactly right!
So into this the last few months where I realized I have so much desire for control. But in my case, it is not like these examples that you mentioned, it is more a strong desire for controling my whole life(+perfectionism🙄), and also other people but I am just trying not to do that. Please, can you talk about that? Perfectionism,desire for controling everything and that deep crave for everything to be done in a specific(my) way. Like, I don't want to control my kids one day and I am afraid I will .....dear Terri, so much warm greetings from Croatia❤🥰❤
Hey there 💕 I have done some videos on perfectionism, and high-functioning codependency has a big control aspect to it, which is what a lot of my videos are about! Try these:
ua-cam.com/video/U3-0NcbTbYE/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/G6HVyMRsRks/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/T6RWDteCfWg/v-deo.html
Ultimately, a lot of it comes from our childhood as well. If you grew up with a perfectionistic parental impactor, that may have influenced your behavior (because you had to prove your worth for love in that kind of dynamic). I also recommend asking yourself the 3 Qs when the need for control arises: 1) Who does this person remind me of? 2) Where have I felt like this before? and 3) Why is this behavioral dynamic familiar to me? 💕
@@terri_cole thank you, will work on that definitely, I think there is so much freedom when we don't try to control😊
Love this book and am deep in my boundary lessons. Thank you so much for information and it's helping so much!
So happy to hear it's helping you! 💕
Your kimono matches your eyes and complexion ! ❤
I'm trying to get some independence and do have some friend from a line dance class. He is charming and convincing.
He upped his game and it didn't work. The newest was not to admit he lost or misplaced a book from a neighbor so he said I was reading it.
He took the blame and put it on me. He made me a part of his deception.
Now I can try to convince my neighbor which would make me look questionable.
I made it clear I am not going along with this. I told him he should just tell him. It's between them.
Good for you!! 👏👏
@@terri_coleI found that book. It had fallen behind the cupboard he keeps his lunch cooler and possessions on.
After he returned it, I asked if he explained it to the neighbor. He did not.
Loved your book! Love your work! I have been using your tools! Thank you 🙏 ❤
I am so happy to hear that, Sally ❤️ Thank YOU!
@@terri_cole You are most welcome! I appreciate all that you give back and the passion you have! I have learned so much. And thank you for following up with a reply!
I was starting to get good at setting boundaries like with my mom but my problem is I always let them slip and I feel she takes advantage of my boundaries too
It is so difficult to set boundaries with our closest family members because we have been doing the same dance with them the longest. ❤️ Give yourself some grace, and don't be afraid to set consequences if your mom oversteps your boundaries.
Thank you Teri...
Very helpful, much appreciated.
So glad it was helpful ❤️
Great video as always Terri. I love your work and so appreciate you!!!
Thank you so much ❤️ I appreciate you spending your time here!
Wow, that's why I felt so bad when my partner seemingly fully accepted me with my child- free lifestyle. My partner loved me that way for 3+ years (enough time to bond). Then, out of the blue he decided he didn't love me because I didn't suddenly want children. But I never wanted them and said that from the start. He accepted me from the start, then he discarded me with zero remorse, no empathy, and he blamed me for his cold discard, which according to him was due to me not wanting children (as if we ever agreed to having kids)...I felt heartbroken, and later I realized he lied about wanting kids because he started dating right away an older lady who was not into having kids because she already had a child from her previous relationship. Eventually I further realized that in spite of the heartache, he did me a big favor by removing himself from my life.
I'm so sorry you experienced that 💕
Exactly - dysfunctional boundry bullies call boundries controling..... been there..... My brother does that and I get it..... My father is a self-centered selfish manipulative covert narcissist..... I understand how traumatized people who dont understand boundries.... have not done the work to understand the borders of responsibility ...... they misuse these usually helpful psychology terms....
I have toxic relatives who have been doing this for years. Also, divorce now 4 years. My ex was somewhat like this. He played both side. My toxic relatives have been the real devil by doing a lot of this. I went through hell, and they still do messed up stuff and try to act like what they be doing is normal. Bs. Respect, boundaries and no tracking and attempts to control. When they start mess over the truth. Tracking the phone as well. I see who really needs help. It is very toxic and unhealthy. I'm 44 years of age, not a little child of theirs or property
It IS toxic and unhealthy. Good for you for recognizing that after all of these difficult experiences ❤️❤️
I’m really struggling with the gray area of this stuff. I didn’t have boundaries in the beginning of our relationship and now, 9 years later, I’m learning about them and I want to make sure I’m applying them the right way. So many of these things in this video I am relating to but I don’t know how to navigate it.
Have you checked out my book, Boundary Boss? It's available in libraries as I wanted to make it as accessible as possible. ❤️ That's the easiest place to get all my boundary info. I have tons of videos about boundaries on my channel: www.youtube.com/@terri_cole/search?query=boundaries
I would also say that setting boundaries later in a relationship when you didn't know about boundaries at all beforehand is a different situation than what I am talking about here. In this specific example, Jonah Hill was attracted to Sarah Brady because of what she posted on her Instagram, and then later turned around and told her to stop posting that content (and essentially, to stop living the lifestyle she had). If you approach your partner and lovingly tell them you've realized you have desires and limits after self-reflection, have an open conversation about it, AND you give your partner time to adjust, that is not coercive control. I hope that makes sense ❤️
I agree with the definitions. But what about if you state you don’t accept the fact your boyfriend maintains and entertains close communication / connection with and ex, who’s been “on and off” and creates a trigger to your behaviour? What if you state this nicely as a boundary and you respond by being respectful with your own behaviour towards any exes? What if the person in front of me is not respecting this despite promising he’ll do? This escalated to coerciveness after some point I believe, because you love this person and you don’t want to lose him
This might be a deal breaker for you, and you have the right to have deal breakers. I did this video on it: ua-cam.com/video/fn8Av478FHw/v-deo.html ❤️
That’s literally what’s many men do!!! 🤦♀️
Thank you for this video. It was very informative.
You are so welcome, thanks for being here 💕
My Ex would use his BPD diagnosis to say “flooding” and would stop any conversation.
It was always about winning. He was manipulative and abusive using therapy language
😂😂I have no idea who those two people are but I completely understand your point!
Glad it was still useful! 💕
Thank you so much for this Terri. I, recently have been thinking a lot about boundaries! Someone like me always worries, Am I enforcing my boundaries or am I being vindictive?
You're welcome ❤️ I hope it was helpful!
@@terri_cole "I had as lief have been myself alone." - William Shakespeare - 'As You Like It'
Thank you for this, so important!
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Thank you .. this is very helpful 🙏🏻
I am so glad to hear it was helpful! ❤️
They pervert the word boundary.
You can say that again!
Love ur book!
Thank you so much ❤️
Thank you for this.
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I wonder how many multitudes of actors, actresses and models had to divorce in order to rescue both their careers and identities. Bette Davis famously explained the cause of her various divorces in this manner: "None of my husbands was man enough to become Mr. Bette Davis." If you don't want an actress to continue acting after marriage, then don't date actresses. If you don't want a model to continue modeling, then don't date models- or date one with a law degree who plans to make a career change after saying "I do." Models, actresses and artists don't do what they do just for the sake of one man or person or to seek a mate (although some might, let's be honest). Most do what they do because that's what they do, and it ain't just for YOU; it is to create great art and to be valued, in more than one way, for their natural beauty and abilities. It's tragic that some people destroy the thing they love by asking them to become their SOLE/Soul possession.
Well said, thank you ❤️
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Any chance you have a video on boundaries vs control when it comes to parenting kids? Much of what you talk about is labeled by a teen as control, but are actual boundaries the parents put in place to protect their kids. Thanks!
I don't tend to talk about boundaries and kids as that's not my specialty, but if you haven't yet, I recommend checking out Dr. Becky Kennedy as she has great parenting advice and talks about boundaries ❤️
@@terri_cole Thanks, I will do that!
I had a falling out with a friend and she refused to speak to me about what happened between us, saying that was her boundary. Basically she said I was allowed to talk to her about anything except that. Is that boundaries or control?
Control, and I'm sorry your friend is refusing to speak about this ❤️
Boundaries a fence around your own property. Not on your neighbors property or your neighbors fence on your property.
K. I. S. S
Keep It Super Simple
My husband and I are very confused. Our teen son is dating a girl that comes from a traumatic background. She is now controlling him by telling him that WE are controlling him. She accuses us of controlling him with money, rules, limits on time they can spend together. He is in his last year at home so yes, he will have more independence next year, but while he is under our roof, we believe it is our right to have our own limits, rules, and boundaries for our son. She is threatening to break up with him if he does not "put his foot down" and tell us that we can not control him or them or limit their seeing each other whenever they want. He is 18 and she is 17 btw. Some of the things you are calling "control" sound like "parenting" when it is a parent/child relationship. The girlfriend believes she has the moral high ground that parents should not control their kids but instead let them be free to follow their conscience (which is how her parents parent.) Something feels very off here. We feel that she is controlling us by telling us we are controlling. Does that make sense? We fell crazy! Can you please shed some light?
There are times when parenting can be a form of control, but that doesn’t mean you are controlling your son in an unnecessary way, although it might be helpful for you to reflect and ask yourself if that might be happening. What role does control play in your life in a general sense? What are your fears if you’re unable to maintain control? With your son’s girlfriend, it sounds like you’re stuck in a difficult position with her having very strong opinions about your parenting! I’m holding space for you as I imagine that’s incredibly difficult to navigate. It sounds like it’ll be important for your son to know that you respect his opinions and value his individuality, while also wanting him to understand that you have his best interest at heart. ❤️
With all due respect I see different. Before she entered your son’s life, he already had his rules and it sounds that he was following those rules. Now this girl comes to the picture and to me it seems she does not like for exemple, your son needs to be at home by 10 pm! But she wants to hang up until 11 pm! She is trying to break your rules. As you said her parents probably do not have no rules for her! To me controlling starts at a young age. Can your son start to see a physiologist? I have a teen daughter and it is much easier for them to talk to estrangers than talk to their parents. Maybe he can open up to the professional.
Is it controlling to budget with your partner and try to limit spending on frivolous things?? I feel like that’s necessary. Like what if your partner wants to buy a sports car you can’t afford, and then they tell you you’re controlling when you tell them they can’t do that?
Budgeting is an important part of being financially stable and figuring out how to do it together or apart is what every couple has to do. I had a client who insisted on having separate finances with her husband because he was financially irresponsible and she had had bad experiences in the past. There's a great book that might help you called, Money: A Love Story by my pal Kate Northrup. ❤️
I agree, insofar as he knew this was her life, before they met. It was ludicrous to assume he could impose 'boundaries', which, in effect, require her to become an entirely different person. Even if she'd deigned to comply, how he thought she would be happy, for any length of time, is deluded. One tiny caveat is that he doesn't clarify what he considers "boundaryless, inappropriate relationships with men". For my part, that would be a prerequisite in any such relationship; but maybe that's just me (again, depending on his definition). Quite how a 'surfer/model' satisfies sponsors and promotes herself, without bathing suit pictures, is beyond me.
All that said, his 'requirements' do infact mirror my own. The difference is I'd never even begin a relationship with someone perfectly content with a life that I couldn't tolerate. It would be disasterous for both parties, in my opinion. His text may have been perfectly reasonable, if she'd worked as a secretary/mechanic/nurse etc... AND he'd laid them out on the first date. Personally, if these boundaries are discovered to be already well and truly breached, I'd explain (again, on first discovery) that we could not have a successful relationship. I see no point in attempting to change a person who is perfectly content with the life they've carved out. I could never provide the life that keeps them happy. As you may suspect, I'm not in a relationship and struggle to imagine finding a modern woman I could tolerate (or would tolerate me!😊).
It strikes me that one big difference between "boundaries" and "manipulation/coercion" is not necessarily the actual words, but the context.
Thanks for sharing- context does matter! As you said, "how he thought she would be happy, for any length of time, is deluded." It's one thing to set boundaries at the beginning of a relationship, it's another to suddenly decide to have them months in.
@@terri_cole - Totally agree.
How can you help someone that you see this happening to? or is there anything you can do if they have cut you off and don't recognize it?
We cannot make someone see what they are not ready to see. ❤️ I know it is painful. If you've already tried and they cut you off, then it might be time to take a step back. Be there for them if and when they do recognize it.
@@terri_cole Thank you. I am learning so much from your videos and book. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
The therapy words “boundaries” and I am sorry Terri I don’t like Codependency either. I prefer Attachment style. It pathologies commitment imho
If he had stated that from the get go would it have been not coercive? At the beginning of my relationship my partner had all of these girls he had slept with on his social media and was always in contact with them I said I am not comfortable with that so I have no idea why you need to be in contact with them all when youve had a sexual relationship. I guess thats coercive but it made me feel so insecure.
It is a boundary request if you set it up from the beginning as a deal-breaker and he agreed to not be in touch with all his exes. It sounds like you mentioned it but he did not agree. I'm sorry you're experiencing that 💕
Dealing with coieceve control right now my dad is very narcissistic and he acts very hypocritical.
I am witnessing you with compassion ❤️
Me and my boyfriend had an argument yesterday and he was accusing me 😢 he was upset about my Facebook accounts 😢 asking if I create another Facebook account and that its affecting his trust I'm losing his trust 😢 but he still said babe are you there. I wanted space after that terrible fight. He said and saw I was being bullied on facebook. But he wasn't handling it very well. He was handling to harsh 😢😢 he was yelling and swearing at me on phone yesterday .
I'm so sorry you're going through this rough time with your boyfriend 💕 It's also okay to say, "Please stop yelling and swearing at me. It's making me upset. If you don't, I will need to hang up to give this space to cool down." You have every right to tell him that and follow through on it.
@@terri_coleyup I did actually tell him to stop swearing yelling because he wasn't very calm. But he said no I'm pissed. He still did it today again because he was still pissed off at all these fake accounts of me. He's like I'm just trying to protect you. but It just didn't feel like at all he was only making me more upset and cry. He did say he hates making me cry and that he was sorry for getting mad at me. I also did say if you don't trust me just walk out of my life there's the door just shut the door. Cuz usually relationships don't survive with trust issues I don't think. For me dating somebody with trust issues is tough because I constantly have anxiety of losing his trust. Won't his trust issues ever go away? Because I don't like the way he acts I don't like his trust issues it is awful 😔 it's hurting me affecting me his trust issues. I even told him I'm going to leave Facebook. But he doesn't want me to leave Facebook.
@@terri_cole he's was taking his trust issues out on me.
He doesn't get a say in how you manage your social media. You have the right to leave your account whenever you want. You also have a right to tell him what you said here: "It doesn't feel like you're protecting me. What would actually make me feel supported is this..." (and then say what feels true to you). If he apologized for getting mad at you and continued to act angrily, then his words aren't aligning with his actions.
As to whether his trust issues will go away, that depends on whether he is willing to do the work to examine them or not. Is he open to going to therapy or getting counseling? Is he open to talking about it honestly? If not, then they may not go away. Trust issues aren't something that disappear, unfortunately. But it IS tough to date folks with trust issues, so I want to validate that for you. 💕
Ultimately, it's up to you whether you want to continue this relationship or not. Someone having trust issues could be a deal-breaker for you. You have a right to that. And some relationships do survive breaches in trust, but it takes a lot of work and commitment to do so. 💕
@@terri_cole ya I told him to stop doing that stopped yelling swearing. I even said if you don't trust me just walk out of my life and close the door. Because your trust issues is effecting me. because I don't really want to be around someone if they don't trust me. I love and care about him but but his actions is out of control I don't know if there's help out there or something that will help him over come this? He gets angry way to quity.
I would really love to have a conversation with you. How can that be possible ?
Hi Melina, I don't offer 1:1 coaching or therapy anymore as I'm trying to help make mental health information more accessible on a global level through my videos, courses, and books. 💕
oh reddit would have FLIPPED the F out if she did the same thing to Jonah Hill..the usual thing... ok for men to do, not ok for women.
Dear Terri, if you see this, please tell me, when your partner says i met you when you had this body( curvy 60kgs) and but because now you are so thin (43kg - i lost kilos due to mental anxiety disorder and family/health trauma), i dont want to have sex with you until you get back in shape. And he means it. He has not chased me for sex for 8 years now. We are together 10. Ichase him, and it happens very rare ( 10 times year max). And i am only 30 and he is 36. What is that? His boundary or control? Or something else that i cant find the words for? I admit i didnt try do get back in shape until now, i assume its because i wasn't feeling ready to try
I watched your video about vulnerable narcissists and then started looking for a way to deal with "mine". Only to come here and realize I have become controlling and manipulative. Probably not to the degree you talk about here (yet) but how on earth did this happen? I've become a screaming, demanding, eye rolling bitch. I'm pretty sure I wasn't before. Talk about toxic! Now that I have heard this, I can recognize what is happening when it is happening, I hope. Once again, I have to get back to therapy. I do not want to be the person I've become. Just because he's got problems doesn't mean I had to become a problem.
I am witnessing you with so much compassion ❤️ Self-awareness is so critical and it is great you're able to recognize it when it's happening, and also that therapy may help. I am cheering you on along your journey ❤️
Wow this could be taken out of context and used very well against Christian based marriages, if you think man will be silent about spouse putting herself out there, you expect men to do their part and more yet when it comes to women then measure is completely different..and God forbid you point something out that you have concern with..