Seeing as Albania can only take one province, and it is a Reconquest CB, he will just GIVE YOU ALL OF THE LAND. I have seen this many times before. Wait it out. Save 177 dip.
Bro you need to stop having the start of the video dead silent it gets me everytime and makes me turn up my volume and then youre like HELLO AND WELCOME BACK IM ARUMBA
Hell yaa, that's exactly what I saw, take all the warscore you can spend on asia minor coast and hope skanderbro returns the rest, even if he doesn't you still have the cores for next war
Arumba, with patch 1.24 you can hire out condotierri, like a 20 stack or smth, then use the automatic template "fixer" that can be accessed when clicked on a army so if you use like a template of 1k, you can effectively hire out a army for the cost of 20k, with only 1k Also, Trust the Skanderberg
I think trusting him is better, because whatever the skanderbro will give him, he can just declare his offensive war right away and get the rest plus other provinces and keep the trust high
check if Albania wants anything but their cores back, if not I think its safe to assume he will use the other warscore to give your provinces back. At least that is what the AI usually does.
I don’t use the Condottieri feature very much and this game inspired me to use it more in my current play through as The Netherlands... worked pretty well. I love watching other players and applying strategies to my games. Keep em coming man!
I want to say to trust your ally, but the Empire is in no condition to take such a risk. If the AI spites you it is almost game over. Those diplomatic points and loss of trust, what are they worth to you? Is it really that much of a gain to avoid paying that price vs. walking away without your cores? Play this like it is life-and-death.
I'm not sure if this works, but I say sign a separate peacedeal. This guarantees that you get all of your land back, but it also removes the warscore from your own participation and occupation. Thus, your allies can keep fighting (EDIT: sadly, you won't be able to send condottierri due to truce) and then they can demand EVEN MORE from the ottomans, as they now have more warscore to spend on other things than returning your cores.
RoverStorm you can't rent out condottieri to countried that are at war with countries you have a truce with. So he wouldn't be able to support them in the war after making the separate peace
Skanderbro will give you cores back, but probably not all of them and almost certainly not Edirne. It's still worth trusting him. You can get Edirne back in a later war.
Hey Aruma, im glad youre doing this campaign again. Byzantium is one of my favorite starts/civs. Im watching this on my second monitor while I do my "OP custom nation on a randomly generated new world, extended timeline" run which is a blast. Have you ever thought of doing a custom nation new world run? Either to take over the world or just find the best national power combos and make a superpower nation
Stay til you can get all cores, it's too much of a gamble to stay longer, it's worth the diplo points to be sure Otto's neck is broken, with the land going to you.
In my experience you can separate peace and the Albanians still give you parts of your cores back. I'd recommend taking Edirne and the fort in front of Const. They will re-siege Greece in no time
Trust! Albania does not have many other options for a peace deal anyway, since the occupation was transferred to you there is no risk of him giving everything to Venice. It might be worth checking the ledger to see how much ducats the ottos have because money is really the only thing skanderbeg may ask for beyond their own core and possible the one province for Serbia
Dont trust the AI when it comes to peace deal chances are youll only get 2 or 4 of your cores becuase the AI will prob justvreturn cores to serbia candar and caraman trust me ive seen it happen
I can't believe this. Arumba is clearly some sort of computer witch, I never get this lucky with my Byzantium runs! At this rate he'll have the Mare Nostrum achievement by the 17th century! KUTGW!
On my Byzantium play on this patch, I allied Albania, I signed a separate peace for 3 provinces and something else, and then Albania still returned the rest of my cores back when they signed their peace. It was glorious.
Skanderbro to the rescue! Joking aside I think you should stick and wait, the amount of warscore and diplo required is quite steep. If Skanderbro gave you the occupation he should most likely give you these provinces in the peace deals (considering it wouldn't cost him anything).
The cyan/turquoise/teal colours are on the border of blue and green and people often argue about whether colours in this range are green or blue. For me Venice is green, but then again I have a TN monitor (and an old one at that), so it could just be that my monitor is rubbish at colours. Also the precise colour settings on your monitor could affect it as well.
How did you get those occupations? Skanderbeg himself told the Venetians to relinquish their occupation to the glory of Rome! You better let him do what he wants!
It was a few patches ago, but I had an AI ally grant use return core to give a province I was occupying (the only one I had a claim on, the only one I wanted out of a war where I had 98% participation) to my rival. So yes, you can return core even if someone else occupies it. At least you could.
I believe you got the occupations from Venice because he occupied Epirus first, and since noone else in the war bordered it, he kept the occupation. You however actually directly border his occupations, and since they aren't in coring range for him, upon your arrival in the war the game changed ownership of the occupation to the nearest war participant within coring range.
Yeah I'd be surprised if he does. Still hopes he trusts in skanderbro. Feels more role-playing and less gamey if that makes sense. Even if edirne might have to wait
Skanderbro will be a much better bro with you being in a more powerful position than you have now. Pay the cost, snap up the territory as soon as possible.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think the rule is that a defending nation can only call in a nation as long as they're not losing by 25%. I don't think there's a limit in the other direction. Also, core return takes precedence over conquest, so I'm 95% sure that albania will return as many cores as possible before taking new provinces for themselves, especially provinces that are your cores.
Did you watch him get the three mountain achievement? He would re-roll the biannual pulse events... Personally I don't really have any problem with it, but I get how some people do.
A few patches back they made it so warleader could transfer provinces even after transferring them to someone else. Albania must have taken them back from Venice to give to you.
The AI has been rather good at giving land to allies since recent patches, to the point that i stopped betraying allies whenever possible just to role play. I had a glorious game as Hungary where both Austria and Bohemia kept giving me polish and venetian land in they're offensive wars even though they called me on favors. In my biz games when it comes to Albania they almost always give you back your cores even if you weren't on the war, so they will give you some cores back. The only problem is they might not give you all of them and you will be on with a long truce, so if you can get the war score i would peace out for all of the cores.
For what it's worth, and I'm not saying that it's incorrect to pronounce it your way, but the original Greek pronunciation of Basileus is said "VAS-ee-leffs" or if you like, vassal-effs! Just an interesting thing that I thought you might like to know.
i don't have "estates" tab in my game. You are the only dude I like to watch playing eu4, and the game you play seems different from mine. I can't set attitude towards other nations as well for instance. This whole dlc thing is so confusing. Isn't there a single economic pack to own everything? What do you have as dlc? What would u recommend me to buy? All of them? Vanilla only? Any particular "must" dlc?
So, I've read all 150 comments (and billion replies) and no one has any idea why would Venice transfer occupations to Arumba, I saw only suggestions if he should peace out separately or not. I have no idea either and I'm really curious why did Venice do that? Makes no sense.
Right. Quite probable. I totally forgot that he joined in afterwards (I watched it as soon as it came out, was 207-th viewer, earliest ever on his vid's). That's good to know.
I think the ottoman ai saw it was Arumba playing and just gave up. They knew they'd lost the second he said "hello and welcome back"
Hello and welcome, I am death, destroyer of worlds!
Seeing as Albania can only take one province, and it is a Reconquest CB, he will just GIVE YOU ALL OF THE LAND. I have seen this many times before. Wait it out. Save 177 dip.
CB rules don't apply to the defender.
Trust in Skanderbro.
He delivers.
He knows the truth
With such high diplomacy how could he not know what is right
Bro you need to stop having the start of the video dead silent it gets me everytime and makes me turn up my volume and then youre like HELLO AND WELCOME BACK IM ARUMBA
Maybe like, wait a second?
TheArhive it gets me everytime man, when I get the arumba notification patience goes out the window
Now I just want him to wait like 10 seconds just to troll his audience.
Just because you were invited to the table, and food is put in front of you, you cannot expect to be spoon-fed. Pay the costs. FOMO index is high
Its -25% war score that prevents allies in defensive war to join. You can have as much positive war score as you want.
There is a time limit though, I believe. You can't be called after 30 months.
None of the above! Take asia minor land for yourself and hope Skanderbeg returns cores to you anyway. Greed is always best
Hell yaa, that's exactly what I saw, take all the warscore you can spend on asia minor coast and hope skanderbro returns the rest, even if he doesn't you still have the cores for next war
ryx Great Belisarius
My vote is separate peace, you can't afford to lose this opportunity.
Edirne is key. If you control that you can prevent the ottomans crossing the straits, with enough galleys
Take the seperate peace
Trust in the great Skaderbeg
Trust in skanderbro, and also get aggressive in anatolia to ensure you have max participation.
In Skanderbag we trust
Arumba, with patch 1.24 you can hire out condotierri, like a 20 stack or smth, then use the automatic template "fixer" that can be accessed when clicked on a army
so if you use like a template of 1k, you can effectively hire out a army for the cost of 20k, with only 1k
Also, Trust the Skanderberg
Whatever happens you need to ensure you get Edirne. It's the most important province in any Byzantine run.
Trust in Skanderbro. Remember you can declare your own offensive war afterwards anyway.
I think trusting him is better, because whatever the skanderbro will give him, he can just declare his offensive war right away and get the rest plus other provinces and keep the trust high
Umm he will be at truce with Ottomans right? He wouldn't be if he was only sending condotieri but he takes part in the war as an ally.
Make a copy of the save. Trust in Skanderbeg. You have nothing to lose.
check if Albania wants anything but their cores back, if not I think its safe to assume he will use the other warscore to give your provinces back. At least that is what the AI usually does.
I don’t use the Condottieri feature very much and this game inspired me to use it more in my current play through as The Netherlands... worked pretty well. I love watching other players and applying strategies to my games. Keep em coming man!
I want to say to trust your ally, but the Empire is in no condition to take such a risk. If the AI spites you it is almost game over. Those diplomatic points and loss of trust, what are they worth to you? Is it really that much of a gain to avoid paying that price vs. walking away without your cores? Play this like it is life-and-death.
Trust in Skanderbro, he's a good dude
Trust no one. Not even your printer.
My Basileus you should trust your future alies
Albania will likely give you most of your cores back except for the capital in my experience
Pay! never trust the ai
I'm not sure if this works, but I say sign a separate peacedeal. This guarantees that you get all of your land back, but it also removes the warscore from your own participation and occupation. Thus, your allies can keep fighting (EDIT: sadly, you won't be able to send condottierri due to truce) and then they can demand EVEN MORE from the ottomans, as they now have more warscore to spend on other things than returning your cores.
RoverStorm you can't rent out condottieri to countried that are at war with countries you have a truce with. So he wouldn't be able to support them in the war after making the separate peace
Skanderbro will give you cores back, but probably not all of them and almost certainly not Edirne.
It's still worth trusting him. You can get Edirne back in a later war.
Defiantly worth the diplo points
"You've got a friend in me" starts playing in the background
Trust the bro. He won't let you down
What's a little lost diplo to multiple Byzantine flavor events that give you a lot of monarch points anyway?
Never trust the AI. Take your Destiny with both hands!
In Skanderbro we trust
Betray Skanderbeg. With the Ottomans defeated, he is your only obstacle now.
Do it.
Hey Aruma, im glad youre doing this campaign again. Byzantium is one of my favorite starts/civs. Im watching this on my second monitor while I do my "OP custom nation on a randomly generated new world, extended timeline" run which is a blast. Have you ever thought of doing a custom nation new world run? Either to take over the world or just find the best national power combos and make a superpower nation
Stay til you can get all cores, it's too much of a gamble to stay longer, it's worth the diplo points to be sure Otto's neck is broken, with the land going to you.
In my experience you can separate peace and the Albanians still give you parts of your cores back. I'd recommend taking Edirne and the fort in front of Const. They will re-siege Greece in no time
Trust Skanderbro, always trust the Skanderbro.
trust in skanderbeg!!
Trust! Albania does not have many other options for a peace deal anyway, since the occupation was transferred to you there is no risk of him giving everything to Venice. It might be worth checking the ledger to see how much ducats the ottos have because money is really the only thing skanderbeg may ask for beyond their own core and possible the one province for Serbia
Ensure it
Pronunciation tip:
EUBOEA = EVEA (First "E" like G"E"RMANY | Second "E" like "E"NGLAND | "A" like "A"RGENTINA)
I prefer the way (Romanized) Ancient Greek is pronounced (in this case, it's approximately like 'You Bee A').
Sign a seperate peace deal then hope that skanderberg will return some of your cores because you ally them
Dont trust the AI when it comes to peace deal chances are youll only get 2 or 4 of your cores becuase the AI will prob justvreturn cores to serbia candar and caraman trust me ive seen it happen
I can't believe this.
Arumba is clearly some sort of computer witch, I never get this lucky with my Byzantium runs! At this rate he'll have the Mare Nostrum achievement by the 17th century!
KUTGW!
poeple in the comments have way to much trust in the ai
killer30556 Because it's Skanderbro
On my Byzantium play on this patch, I allied Albania, I signed a separate peace for 3 provinces and something else, and then Albania still returned the rest of my cores back when they signed their peace. It was glorious.
Good guy Skanderbeg
He is the SkanderBro. Trust Albania !
Skanderbro to the rescue!
Joking aside I think you should stick and wait, the amount of warscore and diplo required is quite steep. If Skanderbro gave you the occupation he should most likely give you these provinces in the peace deals (considering it wouldn't cost him anything).
How is Venice green?
Imborahey Could've sworn its some type of blue, but then again I'm color blind.
Cyan / tyrquoise
The cyan/turquoise/teal colours are on the border of blue and green and people often argue about whether colours in this range are green or blue. For me Venice is green, but then again I have a TN monitor (and an old one at that), so it could just be that my monitor is rubbish at colours. Also the precise colour settings on your monitor could affect it as well.
Cant wait for the next entree for top 10 anime betrayals.
Who would win? Millions of angry Ottomans, or one tiny Albania boy?
"I can't say constantinople" -Arumba 2018
How did you get those occupations? Skanderbeg himself told the Venetians to relinquish their occupation to the glory of Rome! You better let him do what he wants!
trust in skanderberg
It was a few patches ago, but I had an AI ally grant use return core to give a province I was occupying (the only one I had a claim on, the only one I wanted out of a war where I had 98% participation) to my rival. So yes, you can return core even if someone else occupies it. At least you could.
Well for roleplaying you should trust Albania. Venice was so nice to give the cores back. They apologize for the fourth crusade
Things are coming up Basileus.
It is basically about if you need diplo points in this playthrough
Dont be cheap, it will cost you!
Arumba they will not return all your cores from my experience
Pay the diplo, Arumba. Better safe than sorry.
Trust in Skanderbro
Skanderbro for the entire series. Atleast try once not to backstab every living AI in EUIV. Skanderbro is best bro
Even if he backstab us we should keep him as a pet he's a good boy and should be protected.
Yeah, see best march potential there
I believe you got the occupations from Venice because he occupied Epirus first, and since noone else in the war bordered it, he kept the occupation. You however actually directly border his occupations, and since they aren't in coring range for him, upon your arrival in the war the game changed ownership of the occupation to the nearest war participant within coring range.
If you trust I doubt you get Edirne so I would probably separate peace.
Trust Skanderbro!
15 sceonds ago uploaded.
I was ready uwu
Never trust an elf. Pay the points and reclaim your rightfully Roman territory.
PAY THE DIPLO
Separate peace
Trust the trustworthy true fullness of Albania
save, see what they do, reload if they screw you over :D
Jaws Trock he cant hes in ironman. Theres so ways to get around it, but I dont think arumba will be doing that
too bad, then I'd say always pick what is 100% sure over what could be and potentially screw you over :)
You can savescum in ironman. You just need to rename the save before next month.
I said that there are ways to get around, I just dont expect arumba to do it
Yeah I'd be surprised if he does. Still hopes he trusts in skanderbro. Feels more role-playing and less gamey if that makes sense. Even if edirne might have to wait
Skanderbro can't send your cores to you when venice has the occupation of them
Venice does not have the occupation. Watch the rest of the video.
In skanderbag we trust!
19:31 Because Skanderbro told Venice to do so
Pay the diplo
Skanderbro will be a much better bro with you being in a more powerful position than you have now. Pay the cost, snap up the territory as soon as possible.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think the rule is that a defending nation can only call in a nation as long as they're not losing by 25%. I don't think there's a limit in the other direction. Also, core return takes precedence over conquest, so I'm 95% sure that albania will return as many cores as possible before taking new provinces for themselves, especially provinces that are your cores.
It’s just dip points. Take it when you can. You never know when that chance may come again.
Save the game, trust skanderbeg
if it fails, restart
Honestly wouldn't mind if he did that, he could just reload and pay the 177dip if Skanderbro fails him
its ironman
Did you watch him get the three mountain achievement? He would re-roll the biannual pulse events... Personally I don't really have any problem with it, but I get how some people do.
oh, I didn't really watch him at the time. I thought he doesn't do stuff like this, thanks for info
Dragoniar he usually doesn't on his youtube, twitch is where he goes for that stuff.
In which universe is Venice green? :D
That is blue! xD
It´s turquoise, so its as much green as it is blue. There´s the door -->
Workshop Red actually, it’s teal. Turquoise is a lighter blue.
There is no limit on calling people into a war. The 25 warscore and time limit are reasons for the AI.
Believe in Skanderbro !
Skandebro - the besttest of the best
trust him!
A few patches back they made it so warleader could transfer provinces even after transferring them to someone else. Albania must have taken them back from Venice to give to you.
The AI has been rather good at giving land to allies since recent patches, to the point that i stopped betraying allies whenever possible just to role play. I had a glorious game as Hungary where both Austria and Bohemia kept giving me polish and venetian land in they're offensive wars even though they called me on favors.
In my biz games when it comes to Albania they almost always give you back your cores even if you weren't on the war, so they will give you some cores back. The only problem is they might not give you all of them and you will be on with a long truce, so if you can get the war score i would peace out for all of the cores.
Never trust an AI in a Paradox Game, they always do weird things.
Have faith in the Stankybag
For what it's worth, and I'm not saying that it's incorrect to pronounce it your way, but the original Greek pronunciation of Basileus is said "VAS-ee-leffs" or if you like, vassal-effs! Just an interesting thing that I thought you might like to know.
i don't have "estates" tab in my game. You are the only dude I like to watch playing eu4, and the game you play seems different from mine. I can't set attitude towards other nations as well for instance. This whole dlc thing is so confusing. Isn't there a single economic pack to own everything? What do you have as dlc? What would u recommend me to buy? All of them? Vanilla only? Any particular "must" dlc?
In Skanderbro we trust.
well done, sir.
Pay! Pay through the nose. You need Edirne for a easy second war so make sure to get it before skanderderp white peaces or something equally stupid.
I would separate peace, too much of a risk not to
Skanderbro dude, trust him
SkanderTrust!
Trust skanderbro
I just tested if you can return cores while the province occupied by an ally and yes you can. FYI
Trust no one... except Skanderbag.
So, I've read all 150 comments (and billion replies) and no one has any idea why would Venice transfer occupations to Arumba, I saw only suggestions if he should peace out separately or not. I have no idea either and I'm really curious why did Venice do that? Makes no sense.
I guess his cores over ride everything else when they're in the same war.
the AI always transfers occupations even if they desire the lands if you have a core on said province. (from my experience)
Right. Quite probable. I totally forgot that he joined in afterwards (I watched it as soon as it came out, was 207-th viewer, earliest ever on his vid's). That's good to know.