If DCI wants to include woodwinds, they should either make a new separate class for ensembles with woodwinds or just give a bigger stage and emphasis on SoundSport. That way woodwinds get the marching opportunity, and the long-standing tradition and legacy of Drum Corps can live on, and ensembles can remain true “drum and bugle corps”.
ok guys i think it should be used as a solo or color like bluedevils violin solo, it adds color they should not be marching but can you imagine a sick alto jazzy solo in a middle of a blucoats ending i think you should look more into the rules
Although this is a controversial topic, it is a great opportunity for those band kids who believe they could never join DCI because they simply can’t play a brass instrument, some people just aren’t born for it. This is also a great opportunity for many more people to experience DCI and get DCI a bigger crowd. In addition, these woodwind players would have to audition either way so there is no possibility in the woodwinds bringing everyone else down because there would be no exceptions for them either.
I really liked how you were willing to listen to their reasoning. I totally agree with you on the all instruments policy. I've been in dci for 2 years and would like for it to stay as it is.
I mean we already have strings in the pit as well as a whole plethora of other color instruments. Woodwinds will never produce enough decibels to be used freely in marching and would likely just stay in the pit for quick solos. I don't see too much harm in that nor would it be all the different from where we are already at.
I don't really see the problem with the all instrument policy. It seems that it would introduce variety. We wouldn't want to restrict the possibilities that this policy could introduce. Corps themselves could decide for themselves how to implement woodwinds. They could write woodwinds in for a certain tone they want in a solo. Others could make an all woodwind corp. Either way, the ones that win are the ones that can be visually and instrumentally clean. It seems that this policy keeps getting beat over the head due to tradionalist fears over how DCI is a brass and battery based program (disregarding the colorguard for a second). However, I would like to point out that just because tradition exists, it does not necessarily follow that the tradition is good, or rather that the tradition is as good as we want it. If we want to help innovation and let more creative freedom, then support the all instruments policy.
I really hope the Any Instrument Policy does not pull through. I mean I see where they are coming from, but just NO!! Drum Corps is Drum Corps because of that brassy-esque sound! Adding woodwinds would not only mean more costs for corps who do go along with it, but massive outrage for "traditionalists" and people who love that brassy sound that DCI is known for. Maybe they should promote DCA more since their are some groups with woodwinds available there.
@@nitsua619 if i could heart your comment i would lmao. so many prospective members work their butts off just to get in, and to cut those chances even slimmer would be just cruel to those who really want it bad.
@@kendallkalen9066 EXACTLY!!! Which is why I really don't think that they should pass this. i mean if you want to do DCI then just learn a brass instrument, that's what I've been doing for the past 2 years and its going great.
If this goes through I will have spent the last two years of my life learning mellophone for nothing. That's just annoying. If you wanted to do DCI that bad, just learn a brass instrument. That's so stupid. I'm mainly a woodwind player and I think this is stupid. Even if it does go through, I don't think there will be many spots for it because they don't have the power brass does. It will (hopefully, if for some reason it goes through) probably be a solo thing. I wouldn't mind playing mellophone and then doing a sick sax solo. But yeah, I think this is stupid.
I agree with you (granted I'm old). I get that sax and clarinet players, flautists, oboists, et al. would like to march in a drum corps... but it's drum corps. If a clarinet player wanted to join the schools swim team, they wouldn't pass a rule to swim with clarinets. It's a drum and bugle corps. If you want to participate, learn brass or percussion. Some of the lines you've loved listening to over the years have had sax and clarinet players on the field performing as brass and percussion players.
Okay I understand not allowing some woodwinds but what about the loud woodwinds, like saxophone perhaps. We can play loud and at a high performance lever. I think they should allow some certain woodwonds
@Evan Lin yeah but why not have more diversity in DCI why can't woodwinds be in. Not to throw shade put I think they need Woodwinds because at some moments they all sound like truck horns. Js
Woodwind solos i think are a great idea. Certainly, for basic music, most woodwinds won’t be heard, but solos for woodwinds are great. I haven’t found any great ballads which high school marching bands have a lot of. Woodwinds add a different sound which is great, in my opinion for a beautiful ballad. Look at Hebron 2015 Tenor sax solo. If that was in DCI, holy crap
I'm a woodwind player in high school marching band and I don't agree with the all instrument thing, I think that what they might want out of the proposal is more musical diversity (mainly in solos with mics because as you mentioned you can't hear many instruments as well as brass and percussion). It would be weird in my opinion.
I hate the idea of woodwinds and non drum corps instruments. It's not that it's bad, per se. It's that it simply won't look or sound like DCI. BTW, is it me, or do all kids like Woody sound like they're stoned, pretty much all the time. Not looking for the looping either. Granted, I go back before DCI - I'm officially old, but I'm not the "drum corps has sucked since 1971" crowd.
All Instrument Proposal Fails. Also Bluecoats Tried to amend the proposal by modifying it to 6-8 Players for an ensemble performance. That amended proposal fails also.
Just do what almost half of dci does and LEARN THE PLAY A DRUM CORPS INSTRUMENT. I'm a flute primary and it was my dream to march drum corps.... so I learned mellophone. I didnt whine and say "that's not fair!" The people who march dci are passionate about music CLEARLY since they decide to pay a minimum of 2500 just to go so why not expand your talents by learning a new instrument? Why limit yourself to just woodwinds? Also, one has to have the drive needed to learn a new instrument to do basically anything in drum corps. It ain't like highschool marching band. Personally, learning the movements and technique was harder than learning the instrument. All inclusive proposal is trash.
I hope they don't ruin DCI with WW. Woodwinds are great for orchestra, symphony and for students to have grades in high school. ...and for band directors to fill spots marching. Don't try and fix something that's not broken! I can feel that whole "we should be included" vibe. Start a woodwind DCI. I say yes, in this case separation is for the best!
As a clarinet player, all I have to say is... fuck no. This is not our activity, if we wanna do it we have to join in some other fashion, I’ve learned percussion for 6ish years right now, and I love being in dci, but I cannot support adding woodwinds, like stated you’d have to double the corps size, and also we just kinda don’t fit with the style of drum corps at all, we barely fit in marching band proper but drum corps, I just can’t. We do not belong it’s as simple as that, logistically it’s not great, plus as a woodwind the prestige of marching is even bigger for me cause it means I have to learn something else. Do you know how many front kids are just happy to march because they are really just woodwinds, or how many cymbal lines use woodwinds, and that’s without even mentioning team time, those drum majors are badass and many of them are woodwinds, and realistically the switch from woodwind to brass... not that hard, it’s just not, different muscle motions and less keys that’s mostly it, it’s not hard to learn, and if you can’t be bothered to learn a new instrument for this historic activity and join it properly in a way that doesn’t force an activity wide reshaping of the culture and the destruction of its basic organizational tenants, you don’t deserve to march. I’m sorry but it’s just that simple, if you can’t be bothered to put in the minimal effort to learn a new instrument, or guard, or even just how to conduct then you have no right to be in this activity point blank period. Now that’s not to say I wouldn’t support some gimmicky things like the flute drumsticks used by top secret or solo parts standing in front ensemble land occasionally. But by no means do I support woodwinds in dci or anything else for that matter since it’s so open ended. No marching guitar line hooked through Bluetooth speakers, no marching strings lines period, absolutely not. I am not with it. The activity is brass and percussion for instruments, with some exceptions for solo parts as well as guitar and bass guitar in front.
If you ever realize that they would actually have to make dots easier because the woodwinds are located below the waist and all brass is above the waist.
No woodwinds. Please no woodwinds in drum corps. I played the saxophone going into my freshman year of high school. We had 27 saxophones but only 5 mellos. My band director called me up and said that I have to come into the first summer class and learned the mellophone so there would a balance to the middle voices in the band. I loved every second of that. I still played the saxophone in concert and jazz, but the mello was a great pickup. With that said drum and bugle is just that, drum and brass. Drum corps is not a marching band. It’s a whole different sound. If you want a marching band go to BOA. Bring back the trombones before you ever think about adding woodwinds.
im doing the same with battery, im looking to stay on sax for concert and jazz band but i want to switch to battery next year for marching band and hopefully for a future in dci and wgi
also if woodwinds were in dci then i would have learned battery for nothing as im already somewhat good on sax and after i graduate would probably already have a decent chance at being musically on the level of dci if they had woodwinds
I am almost totally against the woodwind thing, except for maybe solos. I think it would be really cool if they could have any instrument solos, but not any instrument marching. Anyone else think so? As a trumpet player 1st and a saxophone player 2nd, I think it it would be nice.
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if dci included woodwinds then it would just be another marching band, that's why dci is dci. it's tradition, and including woodwinds would take away the core foundation that drum corps were made on
Drum corps isn't easy. If you are a woodwind (I was) put the work in to learn a brass instrument. To make it "easier" for "excluded" people to march is a disservice to current and past marchers.
If DCI wants to include woodwinds, they should either make a new separate class for ensembles with woodwinds or just give a bigger stage and emphasis on SoundSport. That way woodwinds get the marching opportunity, and the long-standing tradition and legacy of Drum Corps can live on, and ensembles can remain true “drum and bugle corps”.
I can totally get behind this. I've done drum Corp for the past two years and am against this new proposal for woodwinds
THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I mean I don't know where Kathy gets this dumb idea that woodwinds should be involved, sounds more like BOA instead DCI.
If they were to do woodwinds I would say soloists or small groups of people who can play woodwinds and are in the ensemble/guard
I think they should only be included as mic’d solos Bc a group would not be heard let alone bring the power necessary
I do think woodwind soloist could be a very good addition and provide a lot of creative space for composers and arrangers
KEEP EM OUT.
I say this as a clarinet player, I learned baritone because the 2019 finals inspired me. I don't want it to be for nothing.
selfish let us *live*
ok guys i think it should be used as a solo or color like bluedevils violin solo, it adds color they should not be marching but can you imagine a sick alto jazzy solo in a middle of a blucoats ending i think you should look more into the rules
I am marchig2020 summer with Madison Scouts.
Bruh correct me if I'm wrong but bd won with a violin solo right? Oh yeah they did. SOLOS AND SMALL ENSEMBLES COME ON
Allow brass to double for solos on woodwinds as their micked
Sweet, I've always wanted to march Kazoo
RK900 I prefer the slide whistle
Nah, Marching Recorder in DCI would be better.
Although this is a controversial topic, it is a great opportunity for those band kids who believe they could never join DCI because they simply can’t play a brass instrument, some people just aren’t born for it. This is also a great opportunity for many more people to experience DCI and get DCI a bigger crowd. In addition, these woodwind players would have to audition either way so there is no possibility in the woodwinds bringing everyone else down because there would be no exceptions for them either.
If they want to do it they could learn another instrument. Or just do soundsport.
I really liked how you were willing to listen to their reasoning. I totally agree with you on the all instruments policy. I've been in dci for 2 years and would like for it to stay as it is.
Marching violins?
I mean we already have strings in the pit as well as a whole plethora of other color instruments. Woodwinds will never produce enough decibels to be used freely in marching and would likely just stay in the pit for quick solos. I don't see too much harm in that nor would it be all the different from where we are already at.
“..and girls” lmaoo
Oscar Cardoso that part played right as I saw your comment
Might as well call it Bands Of America if they do this
Throwback to when we thought there would be dci in 2020 😬😬
I'm done with DCI if this goes through😢finished!!
Sorry but no woodwinds, just no
It didn’t go through!
I don't really see the problem with the all instrument policy. It seems that it would introduce variety. We wouldn't want to restrict the possibilities that this policy could introduce. Corps themselves could decide for themselves how to implement woodwinds. They could write woodwinds in for a certain tone they want in a solo. Others could make an all woodwind corp. Either way, the ones that win are the ones that can be visually and instrumentally clean. It seems that this policy keeps getting beat over the head due to tradionalist fears over how DCI is a brass and battery based program (disregarding the colorguard for a second). However, I would like to point out that just because tradition exists, it does not necessarily follow that the tradition is good, or rather that the tradition is as good as we want it. If we want to help innovation and let more creative freedom, then support the all instruments policy.
I really hope the Any Instrument Policy does not pull through. I mean I see where they are coming from, but just NO!! Drum Corps is Drum Corps because of that brassy-esque sound! Adding woodwinds would not only mean more costs for corps who do go along with it, but massive outrage for "traditionalists" and people who love that brassy sound that DCI is known for. Maybe they should promote DCA more since their are some groups with woodwinds available there.
Kendall Kalen bring back the trombones before ever think about woodwinds.
it would also make it harder for brass to get in because the amount of brass would be subtracted from the amount of woodwinds joining
@@nitsua619 if i could heart your comment i would lmao. so many prospective members work their butts off just to get in, and to cut those chances even slimmer would be just cruel to those who really want it bad.
@@kendallkalen9066 EXACTLY!!! Which is why I really don't think that they should pass this. i mean if you want to do DCI then just learn a brass instrument, that's what I've been doing for the past 2 years and its going great.
If this goes through I will have spent the last two years of my life learning mellophone for nothing. That's just annoying. If you wanted to do DCI that bad, just learn a brass instrument. That's so stupid. I'm mainly a woodwind player and I think this is stupid. Even if it does go through, I don't think there will be many spots for it because they don't have the power brass does. It will (hopefully, if for some reason it goes through) probably be a solo thing. I wouldn't mind playing mellophone and then doing a sick sax solo. But yeah, I think this is stupid.
Logan Rogers same,I’m trying to learn trumpet or mellophone and I don’t want it to go to waste
If they do add it, it should only be used the same way trombones currently are being used, as solos or features.
I agree with you (granted I'm old). I get that sax and clarinet players, flautists, oboists, et al. would like to march in a drum corps... but it's drum corps. If a clarinet player wanted to join the schools swim team, they wouldn't pass a rule to swim with clarinets. It's a drum and bugle corps. If you want to participate, learn brass or percussion. Some of the lines you've loved listening to over the years have had sax and clarinet players on the field performing as brass and percussion players.
Okay I understand not allowing some woodwinds but what about the loud woodwinds, like saxophone perhaps. We can play loud and at a high performance lever. I think they should allow some certain woodwonds
imagine all of the nice sax solos tho
if dci allowed woodwind soloists that would be amazing, but allowing them to just be in dci is just a no for me
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I saw the announcement and I really do not want it to happen!! As a long time dci fan and 2020 auditione I really do not want this to change!!!
Why not??
Woodwinds are awesome
@Evan Lin yeah but why not have more diversity in DCI why can't woodwinds be in. Not to throw shade put I think they need Woodwinds because at some moments they all sound like truck horns. Js
WaVe 1XD for me j jsut feel like it will
Change the entire activity and design of dci
@@kaiyas8557 it's dci not marching band. Hence brass and percussion.
He really said and girls lmao
Woodwind solos i think are a great idea. Certainly, for basic music, most woodwinds won’t be heard, but solos for woodwinds are great. I haven’t found any great ballads which high school marching bands have a lot of. Woodwinds add a different sound which is great, in my opinion for a beautiful ballad. Look at Hebron 2015 Tenor sax solo. If that was in DCI, holy crap
I'm a woodwind player in high school marching band and I don't agree with the all instrument thing, I think that what they might want out of the proposal is more musical diversity (mainly in solos with mics because as you mentioned you can't hear many instruments as well as brass and percussion). It would be weird in my opinion.
I think it will be nice for woodwind to join dci but if they made a separated thing but just woodwinds it would be nice
Mmmm maybe a sax section but that's it. I don't think ALL woodwinds should be included.
Perhaps woodwinds should ONLY be used for off field Solos because it would provide a newer taste to DCI while keeping the DCI traditional feel
Brendan Wu I agree with that
Definitely agree.
Yes, just like BD's violin soloist lol
Bruh what about piccolos!
I hate the idea of woodwinds and non drum corps instruments. It's not that it's bad, per se. It's that it simply won't look or sound like DCI. BTW, is it me, or do all kids like Woody sound like they're stoned, pretty much all the time. Not looking for the looping either. Granted, I go back before DCI - I'm officially old, but I'm not the "drum corps has sucked since 1971" crowd.
All Instrument Proposal Fails. Also Bluecoats Tried to amend the proposal by modifying it to 6-8 Players for an ensemble performance. That amended proposal fails also.
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Just do what almost half of dci does and LEARN THE PLAY A DRUM CORPS INSTRUMENT. I'm a flute primary and it was my dream to march drum corps.... so I learned mellophone. I didnt whine and say "that's not fair!" The people who march dci are passionate about music CLEARLY since they decide to pay a minimum of 2500 just to go so why not expand your talents by learning a new instrument? Why limit yourself to just woodwinds? Also, one has to have the drive needed to learn a new instrument to do basically anything in drum corps. It ain't like highschool marching band. Personally, learning the movements and technique was harder than learning the instrument. All inclusive proposal is trash.
EPIC proposals
I hope they don't ruin DCI with WW. Woodwinds are great for orchestra, symphony and for students to have grades in high school. ...and for band directors to fill spots marching. Don't try and fix something that's not broken! I can feel that whole "we should be included" vibe. Start a woodwind DCI. I say yes, in this case separation is for the best!
i feel like saxes should be allowed but that’s it.
It really do Be like that sometimes • 11 years ago no
As a clarinet player, all I have to say is... fuck no. This is not our activity, if we wanna do it we have to join in some other fashion, I’ve learned percussion for 6ish years right now, and I love being in dci, but I cannot support adding woodwinds, like stated you’d have to double the corps size, and also we just kinda don’t fit with the style of drum corps at all, we barely fit in marching band proper but drum corps, I just can’t. We do not belong it’s as simple as that, logistically it’s not great, plus as a woodwind the prestige of marching is even bigger for me cause it means I have to learn something else. Do you know how many front kids are just happy to march because they are really just woodwinds, or how many cymbal lines use woodwinds, and that’s without even mentioning team time, those drum majors are badass and many of them are woodwinds, and realistically the switch from woodwind to brass... not that hard, it’s just not, different muscle motions and less keys that’s mostly it, it’s not hard to learn, and if you can’t be bothered to learn a new instrument for this historic activity and join it properly in a way that doesn’t force an activity wide reshaping of the culture and the destruction of its basic organizational tenants, you don’t deserve to march. I’m sorry but it’s just that simple, if you can’t be bothered to put in the minimal effort to learn a new instrument, or guard, or even just how to conduct then you have no right to be in this activity point blank period. Now that’s not to say I wouldn’t support some gimmicky things like the flute drumsticks used by top secret or solo parts standing in front ensemble land occasionally. But by no means do I support woodwinds in dci or anything else for that matter since it’s so open ended. No marching guitar line hooked through Bluetooth speakers, no marching strings lines period, absolutely not. I am not with it. The activity is brass and percussion for instruments, with some exceptions for solo parts as well as guitar and bass guitar in front.
They imply that people are "excluded" when absolutely no one is excluded from drum corps. Just learn a drum corps instrument...
If you ever realize that they would actually have to make dots easier because the woodwinds are located below the waist and all brass is above the waist.
No woodwinds. Please no woodwinds in drum corps. I played the saxophone going into my freshman year of high school. We had 27 saxophones but only 5 mellos. My band director called me up and said that I have to come into the first summer class and learned the mellophone so there would a balance to the middle voices in the band. I loved every second of that. I still played the saxophone in concert and jazz, but the mello was a great pickup.
With that said drum and bugle is just that, drum and brass. Drum corps is not a marching band. It’s a whole different sound. If you want a marching band go to BOA.
Bring back the trombones before you ever think about adding woodwinds.
Bring back trombones? When did they leave
#DCI IS BOA , BOA IS THE NEW DCI
im doing the same with battery, im looking to stay on sax for concert and jazz band but i want to switch to battery next year for marching band and hopefully for a future in dci and wgi
also if woodwinds were in dci then i would have learned battery for nothing as im already somewhat good on sax and after i graduate would probably already have a decent chance at being musically on the level of dci if they had woodwinds
I am almost totally against the woodwind thing, except for maybe solos. I think it would be really cool if they could have any instrument solos, but not any instrument marching. Anyone else think so?
As a trumpet player 1st and a saxophone player 2nd, I think it it would be nice.
I agree with no WWs
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if dci included woodwinds then it would just be another marching band, that's why dci is dci. it's tradition, and including woodwinds would take away the core foundation that drum corps were made on
Personally I think it’s a great idea.... I’m a woodwind I play saxophone and personally I believe some woodwinds can be heard
Drum corps isn't easy. If you are a woodwind (I was) put the work in to learn a brass instrument. To make it "easier" for "excluded" people to march is a disservice to current and past marchers.