Garrett Adelstein Bluffs & Dealing W/ Downswings | Real Poker Talk
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2018
- In anticipation of my podcast tomorrow w/ Garrett, I take a look at two MASSIVE bluff spots he faced lately and the table talk that we sometimes possess during a downswing. I will talk about why this type of negative self-talk is very bad for us and ways to escape from the negative cycle.
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If you have any questions for the podcast w/ Garrett tomorrow, let me know. It will be LIVE at 4pm EST HERE on my UA-cam.
Double A - Angling Alec lol
Could you ask Garrett why he always stands up to much his cards on big hands. Is he worries someone will flip his hand over? I feel for him, in downswing making all the wrong decisions. He's prob still crushing off stream.
Yes , whats his bankroll
Never going to tell his bankroll and why does it matter? He has enough to play aggro in the game.
Have you been playing at LATB since Black Friday? Or all over the USA?
Alec Torelli's stack size : 40,650 (240,650)
looooooooooooooooooooool
LMAO
He literally torched 75% of his following and 100% of his reputation with that play. Hope it was worth it Angle Torelli
@@undrwrldsk8fred Of course it would not be worth it, which is why it is obvious he didn't do it.
I get back to this video every few months and every time I find it more and more useful and insightful as I myself grow as a player.
Great content, man
such a great topic thank you joe ingram and garrett for your honesty and humbleness
I love Gman, he's my favorite player right now. I really appreciate U sayin that stuff about dealin wit negative thinking. I'm a smaller stakes Vegas reg & ive managed 2 curtail downswings by jus taking sum time off. Every time I take a leave after not feeling like I was playin my best I always come back clear headed wit tha past sessions in my rear view. Subscribed sir
I cannot wait for this podcast papi !!!! 😁😁😁😁
Pretty confident the volume on your channel tomorrow is going to crash youtube though 😂😂😂
haha
Just saw this video today. I really appreciate your analysis of the mental/emotional aspect of the game. My #1 Problem in poker is tilt. I’ll get a few bad beats in a session and end up punting off my stack in bad bluffs or calls. It’s so hard to quit in those positions though...
Really cool to hear that pros struggle with negative thinking too. I’m going to try harder to not let emotion interfere with my game. Thanks as always Papi!!
Joe could you ask Garrett,
1. if he still loves the game as much as he did when he first started?
2. if he's ever considered doing other things for income and maybe taking a step back from the game, as in if the high stakes start taking its toll, unless he just has a massive bankroll where it doesn't phase him anymore.
3. What his advice is on bankroll management and taking shots in bigger games is, whether to be really aggressive in taking those shots, etc.
4, What percentage he thinks that the the higher stakes, partically LA Commerce 10-20 and above, pros actually make good money, good money being at least 150-200K range on a yearly basis?
5. If he's ever had a losing year.
Thanks! Super looking forward to this podcast!
Just came here to read the comments from Zynga poker pro players.
No such thing as a good player just lucky player and player who stacks another. Who has more chips usually dominates with the bigger bets. That’s it,
lol im a zynga pro dont do us like that 😂 🤣 💀
Angling Alec it just rolls off tong so naturally. Lol
I loled so hard.
Kind of like cheating POS Postle
nice job chiTown, one of your best keeping it real videos .
Thx for the advice bro play tighter is a good way to start
nothing like waking up, firing up a JOEINGRAM video, and hearing "double A" and "backdoor bangkok"
I love Arts bluff sizing in this hand so much
Interesting spot. Pretty much the best hand to bluff with on that river blocking nut flush and nut straight.
this is real talk. i was going through this on my down swing and it was crushing me mentally. it literally drives you insane. i decided to stop playing the site i was playing, watched a little AllinPav's stream, realized a few things i was doing wrong, jumped onto ignition where the games are a little softer and theres not as much cheating and have won 4 tournies since with 3 straight weeks of winning. i know small sample but my mind set is 100% different then it was 3 weeks ago and if only i had stopped sooner and fixed the way i was thinking then my original dowswing may have not be so intense.
This is a good video.
Externalize or internalize emotion.
Usually I run my mouth like Garrett did a few times. That’s my style. Not sure if it’s the best way to handle difficult times.
Great topic
Hahahaha lol @6:06. You made my day Joey.
Went through a stretch like Garrett but it was worse I was making the right calls getting people pot committed and getting drawn out on. What made it worse was that it was all happening in three days just before a world poker tour event.
Thank you so much for this video!!! Ugh! Fell into a sick bluff on a down swing last week. A scream in the car ride home moment.
This video is amazing on so many levels. Great treatment of this subject, Joey.
When you are trapped in a difficult decision and your opponent turns to stone --- re-raise!
Poker Life Pod > Poker friends. Ty Papi
The first hand is a very good fold in my opinion if we are not being results oriented. The fact that it was a three way pot makes more unlikely for him to bluff. Also have to note that alec did call the flop and folded the turn which mean he could have a lot of jack x hands which will play that way . That makes more unlikely for gary to have a jack x hands which will be his primary bluff . And gary happens to hold both the blockers the ace of hearts and a jack which is perfect position for him to bluff this.
Double A - Anglin’ Alec Torelli - lmfao
that first hand is a clear fold. the other dude has 7-8 nutflushes that would shove for value and maybe 4 bluffs (if he turns AhTx into bluffs, TT blocks bluffs gary might have) that would use this size. People are going to want to play with you more if you are making a funny monologue about always being wrong than if you were sitting there counting hand combos out loud
The first bluff is amazing, he rep a lot of hands.. It's hard to make a good decision.. But the second in my opinion, when opponent check the river, you got to choose check back or bet call depends of the raise size.. 30 in a 102 pot is call for me.
But, KK doesn't block AA. AA is snap call for me too for 3.3 to 1 but, KK I would contemplate.
Great video Joe!
Regarding the KK hand -
I think it makes most sense to bet, bet, check it
Sure, it is impossible to call river raise
Nah, that river raise was too small. Dude just got too flustered to call.
Watching this happen to someone who is still one of the best high stakes cash game players in the world shows it happens to every poker player it's just how you deal with it.
It rlly sucks being such a huge poker fan living in fuckin Illinois where there's nowhere to play
would it have helped if he would have counted out the chips to call with b4 folding? I think he had enough behind to risk calling that set. im bad at counting chips watching this make me think this would help my decision
Great stuff papi
OMG GARRETT AND BIG PAPI ALL ON ONE STAGE??? my 2 favorite current players!! LETS GET IT
Bright and early. Thanks Papi!
"Alright, you got it buddy." *motions a fold and gives the cheesiest smile ever captured on camera*
Anglin' Garrett?
MrIwinyoulose I’ve already apologized to Art (who I consider a friend) for the "you got it" + pump fake chip toss a few seconds before mucking my cards. Although I was too tilted for any sort of rational thought by this point in the session and have never done anything like that in a poker hand in my life prior, there's no excuse that makes it okay. That combined with my aggressive whining in this hand, it’s just a bad look. I expect better of myself as someone who works hard to try to make the poker table a fun, parasite-free environment for all. For the keyboard warriors who are still deeply offended, Art texted me saying: “I don’t believe for one second you were intentionally trying to angle me.”
Garrett Adelstein Lol, apology accepted.
When PLO CashGame Livestream?
man i wish i was at the table i would ask angling alec every hand how much he has in his stack.
Yeah but checking ensures you ensures you the pot. It goes both ways. Instead of going for that thin value and getting bluffed off your hand you can win many pots that you will otherwise have to fold due to going too thin against capable players
Hahahahahahahahaha 'angling alec...'
Big difference between Garrett 2017/18 and NINETEEN!!!! He's a happier person now
Hey Joe, huge fan, keep it up
Thank you Lisa
Hey Joey! Commenting here and there, your content always amaze me. I wonder though, if there is anywhere I can see your interview with Alec Torelli. I havent found it anywhere and I think people really want to see how the stuff went down, and how he finally got shut down.
Would love an answer from you on this if you have the time.
datonegoneboi you can watch it at liveatthebike.com
It's not an interesting interview. It's basically just Joey not willing to accept Alec's story. They just go back and forth with it for what feels like an eternity.
He plays so lag that I think he’s gotta make these big calls. It’s like he’s playing the lag role and then folding monsters. So he’s secretly a nit that shows up on big river decisions
Ur forgetting that Art is also a poker pro and he could easily make this play with the absolute nuts because he puts Garret on a big hand like KK or AA, and that he cant fold
Question for G.A. 1) if he has a loose image that’s he’s cultivated why doesn’t he tighten up and he’ll still get the action
I dont think there is an issue w him voicing his thoughts there and I disagree that this is what happens when we are in a downswing. I think if his downswing was playing a roll in the decision he would've called which wouldve been a mistaken here even if he had the best hand. If you just consider the ranges here btn just doesn't have enough bluffs to justify calling with a set. When he rips river for 2x pot he is saying his only value hand is the nut flush and his bluffs contain the blocker obviously. When you think a lil more about it btn really doesn't have many off suit A's just AJ maybe a small % of his AKo combos.
What do you think about Garrett's fake-call angle @23:30 ?
18000rpm I’ve already apologized to Art (who I consider a friend) for the "you got it" + pump fake chip toss a few seconds before mucking my cards. Although I was too tilted for any sort of rational thought by this point in the session and have never done anything like that in a poker hand in my life prior, there's no excuse that makes it okay. That combined with my aggressive whining in this hand, it’s just a bad look. I expect better of myself as someone who works hard to try to make the poker table a fun, parasite-free environment for all. For the keyboard warriors who are still deeply offended, Art texted me saying: “I don’t believe for one second you were intentionally trying to angle me.”
Garrett Adelstein fair enough. I appreciate that you didn’t try to do a Torelli and deny it
You don't have to answer these questions and it's much appreciated. Good luck on your downswing and I hope you're back to crushing it as normal. It's exciting to see you play since a lot of your play is progressive and agile to the situations.
Song at the beginning??
does garrett ever play limit games?
double AA angleing alec torelli lol
This hand is so next level what a play ! Garrett much respect on your self awareness on what you said in this thread . What a bluff though
Garret is a black belt in jiu jitsu
i saw this clip live.. so sick.. felt bad for garret
props to gary for using his blockers and his play through out the hand to basically realize hes getting 95% of hands to fold river. played it like a champ.
and props to joey for making this real for all us small timers in the poker world, been here since stickyrice podcast keep it up
i feel he stalls his calls and uses banter to draw tells. he is constantly observing his opponents' reactions. of course, he gets frustrated, but the method is still the same. i dunno. just speculation, cuz i haven't heard anything about or from Garret concerning solid strategies.
I think the fold on the river is correct on the 2nd ✋. Bottom of your river value range, and villain can have a million credible hands that beat you.
it's hard but that's a call Situation I guess it's easy to judge when you see the whole cards And you're watching this hand develop The way I look at it Is that I'm already Pot committed Plus I have position
He’s not “running bad” he just made bad decisions with the best hand
Justin Hart what you're not understanding is that these hand examples of gman folding best hands are the outcome of the runbad not the run bad. Hes folding better hands here cause he's talking himself into results oriented runbad situations, in which the first thought is "oh of course I'm beat here" "I wanted to check so bad, why didn't I just check, I don't know" etc...
gman after watching him play is one of my favorite players but I think he's kinda falling off as of Recently although iv only see him play at live at the bike if heard he's lost some really big pots maybe that's why he folded the best hand here
The race?!?!
Interesting that Art put him on AA or KK when he has blockers for both. Gutsy play 99 out of 100 people couldn't bluff in that spot.
there's nothing wrong with folding that set of Tens, dont need to be so results oriented
Him and Ashton Kutcher
IMO Garrett makes a couple mistakes in the KK hand (Last Hand) My biggest question is why not just check back KK on river ? I mean are you really gonna be mad at yourself if you decide to check back river and Art has JJ or A10 and you think you missed value ? Its a clear Check back and scoop pot
Or bet and call
Garrett is way better than me so I can't criticize his game but I agree with you. The board is super wet and he does have showdown value.
You derps weren't listening to what was goin' on lol
I think Garret should be checking KKs more often and betting AAs more often. I don’t think he gets value from an Ah in that spot most Ah on this board have at least a pair. So when you have KKs and bet your opponent is way more likely to have AQ. You can say oh wait a minute he can also have KQ yes that is true however Art would fold KQo preflop but wouldn’t fold AQo which means blocking AQ here is way more important than blocking KQ or Ah. This makes AA a better value bet and a better bluff catcher. The best combo of AAs to bet and call a raise is the one that doesn’t block the suited combos of AT. Also I don’t think the AK is the best bluff by Art it was just in the moment I think AJss is a better bluff than AKo because the hands you want Garret to fold are KK and AA with AJ you block some AQs and at the same time don’t block KK. Where with AK you block KQ and AQ which really doesn’t matter because his raise is so small you need to block thin value bets rather than full houses.
Fuck I can so relate to this vid😢
Get @dougpolkpoker to review this hand
he shouldn't play and quit for weeks.... too tilted and too scare to call on the river once someone reraise with non-sense play...wtf
Wolves don't concern themselves with the opinion of shrimp
He uses his river opponents as a shrink
Why would he bet that much with his value range when in reality if he makes flush he'd bet a reasonable amount that he actually extracts value from worse hands but I don't think he'll actually overbet cause he's folding too much of the hands that he beats that he can extract value you from.
ScuffedComedy because if Garrett calls he wins more money, if he had the flush. He can balance his flush overbets with bluffs like he has. Garrett has been known to pay those off as well so it looks like a flush tbh
Oh that’s BecuAse he’s bluffing
And agreed there’s no way garret has a flush going bet bet getting there then checking and plus Gary has ace hearts so he would know not only that garrettt doesn’t have a flush but whatever he has wouldn’t be able to call an all in from a value perspective.
Justin Hart you are foolish to think anyone would fold a flush on the river
and you are foolish to believe i said that
we are both foolish
joey's teeth are too white and his eyes are too red lol
f feels bruh
If your making that lay down your playing to high for your bank roll. He snap calls at a 5 10 game.
it shows that he was just an average player that was running like god. anyone can play poker like the are greatest ever when they running hotter than the sun.
Very easy to criticize when you can see the cards and you’re not risking 100k of your own money.
Alec blows
Adelstein good
We know all that stop talking n dont u hold the game..b for was beter with out talking..
Way way toooo much talking not even about the hand just random offf trailes ....geeeezzzz
Haircut dude. Come on
Its not called a downswing its called being exploited and outplayed by better players !! I see all the praises when Garrett was running good but now hes playing against better players and playing against the same players on LATB and now he being outplayed by Gary and Art who now know his game
Way too much over analyzing
I stopped watching after I saw Angling Alec in the video