Nikon Z8 Vs Canon R5II | THE BEST 45 MP Camera
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Great comparison. I used all Nikon in the film era but switched over to Canon when digital began to predominate. Looks like Nikon has upped their game and make a really capable shooting machine.
Yes, I think it was 3 years ago for the Z6ii, I gave a bad review on their unit but looking at the Z8 today, they came a long way.
Damn, happy Z8 shooter here! Good to see it is still this good!
After 20y with canon I switched to Z8 very happily but this model has an issue with temperature when using more demanding video or fast fps shooting
Yea it improved a whole lot. I forgot which FW was it but it changed the system a whole lot. My Canon R5 ii will be used for just video. Photo wise I will stick with the Nikon.
Yes, Nikon needs to offer some of these AC cooling units. Would be awesome. They are pricey . $400 for the Canon and need to buy another battery since the fan itself will chew up the battery.
@@theCameraVilleget the z9, no more heating problem and only one system.
@@danielvilliers612 There is an issue with the Z9. Hopefully it was fixed. I went deep diving on that unit.
This is the best Z8 and R5ii comparison I’ve seen on UA-cam. Thanks for mentioning up front what you use, this was very objective and pointed out the strength’s and weaknesses of each. I think we’re all curious about the subject recognition improvements on the R5ii and how they compare but I’m not sure it’s possible to standardize a test of something like that as each will have different subjects it recognizes better so it’s tough to compare them without some massive test of many subjects which isn’t really feasible. I use a DJI mini and test all my cameras on a standardized flight path in Litchi app and that works well to test the regular AF-C hit rates as you can repeat the exact flight path and speed each time. The hit rate on the Z8 is quite high. Once again thanks for the work putting this together and I’ll definitely be back for your future reviews! Great work!
Thank you ~! I will say , I didnt want to make the video too long. We did the test live last week . One of the test was very basic, just me and a plain t shirt, no glasses or cap, Nikon was just a hair better on the AF. Once I wore my normal outfit, cap and glasses, Canon just don't recognize me as much. Just gives up. In fact it focus a lot on my mannequin. It was quite interesting. It just dont like folks who wear too much additional clothing that alters the face. Hopefully an update overhaul is near.
@@theCameraVille This is what people have noticed on the wildlife forums like Backcountry gallery where they're all using the flagships from the big three. It seems like depending on the dataset and training of the algorithm some are better at certain subjects than others but nobody has an overall advantage on everything. They'll probably just keep going back and forth with updates as they expand the subject detection datasets for each brand. When it works it's amazing but they still fail on certain things like you have found. Fortunately at least for my Z8 the non subject detect works really well, so as photographers we still have a job to do in learning our system and when to intervene. I noticed you use the Sigma 150-600 C and I still do as well, the lens is so much bang for the buck still amongst all the options.
@@kalimarus Yes~! I still have the 150-600 C. I actually bought it twice which shows alot on my commitment to the lens. I think I bought it for $800 new and it works like no other. One day when I get some good weather, I should compare it with the 180-600. I'm hoping for a major difference but we will see. Stay tune~!
I shot a documentary on my Z8 where we sat people down for usually 2+ hours. One day it was 95 degrees in this room and I shot the whole interview without the red temp warning coming on. It only did the yellow temp warning. People think Canon's cooling accessories are a bonus when its actually a bandaid for their bad passive cooling design. The Nikon doesnt need menu options for fan speed or a cooling grip attachment cause the Z8 doesnt have bad cooling.
Also, that exact same Tascam unit you showed has a Nikon version.
Canon requires R5II shooters to buy new expensive batteries just to unlock 8K recording. Nikon allows 8K recording on batteries from 2014. The newer EN-EL15C have higher capacity than the regular EL15 or 15B but it just changes your maximum record time. I got 1h15m with a 10 year old battery and around 1h45 with the 15c that came with the camera. But that doesnt matter, cause I can power the camera via USB-C from any power bank, a wall charger, or v-mount indefinitely.
Your basically proving my point. Its all cabled to do the same things vs the Canon which you dont need much cabling to do a run and gun setup. Your referring to a fully rigged setup which most system will do fine in.
As for the overheating, we had done several test already proving that Z8 overheats faster than Canon. Its not good to let your system run hot and it will introduce noise artifact down the road. A cooling unit should be involved with the Z8. This is why R5c is still in my setup because the Z8 needs to be overly rigged to just perform. R5c, turn it on and forget it. New Battery extends the usage and XLR needs no cable . Plug and play.
Again, Nikon needs to get their accessories in line. Sony also have fan units built in the system and Xlr with no cable. My old 2018 GH5, same thing, no cable for xlr, just hot shoe.
Its the simplicity where Nikon fails behind.
@@theCameraVille Do you think the Z8 heats up when taking too many photos or filming?
@@hoangthai1169 My climate is up to 40 degrees celsius in the summer. During one of the hottest weeks of summer I was shooting baseball in broad daylight, around 6000 photos were taken in 40 minutes and I only got a medium hot card warning and no warning for the camera body itself.
Shooting burst photo with the Z8 generates more heat than video, so I assume video is fine too. I've done 8K recording for hours on end with no issue.
The key reason to choose Nikon is lenses:
- the native Z mount lenses are overall of higher quality, Nikon offers many long lenses not available in RF mount, in particular for high end shooters and the gap is likely to extend further if rumors are to be believed. The only 2 RF significant lenses not available at the moment in Z mount are the 28-70mm f2.0 (but this is an awkward zoom range) and 28-105mm f2.8 if you don't mind a 1.5kg normal zoom lens,
- there are many more 3rd party lenses available for Z mount
- it is possible to adapt any Sony FE mount lens to Z mount with excellent AF, meaning that all Sony lenses can be considered as Nikon lenses as well. This is tremendous value and will never be possible for Canon RF mount.
Canon locks you in a narrow system with no significant advantage.
Also the focus breathing on Canon is a turn off. Its heavy and folks dont mention it much and once I do my comparison folks will see whats been going on
nikon z lens is excellent . ı used canon 24/100 and 70/200 f 2.8 . z lens are very differnet from canon
Disagree 100% don’t know how you come to this conclusion?
@@kevinastley2562 with what are you disagreeing exactly?
Great job on the camera comparison video! I really appreciated how straightforward and to the point you were with explaining the differences.
Glad it was helpful! I was really surprised with the results. We did this live on my instagram a week ago. Myself and many were freaked out with the results. Nikon came a long way.
Nikon is the best, finally someone tells the true fact about Nikon ❤❤
Yes, there is too many camera marketing reviewers these days. Its hard to tell who is who. Most of them didnt pay for anything or plan to even keep it for the long haul. I use both and its different from what they are saying.
@@theCameraVille I've been using the Z8 and R5 for weddings and events for some time now. There's no way the Nikon Z8 autofocus tracks better than the Canon R5, let alone the Canon R5II. Your test seems skewed towards Nikon. When you declare that Nikon is doing so much better, the joy in your voice is hilarious. To me, the comparison is useless and very misleading. Go and use it in a real-world scenario and make your comparison again. You are knocking UA-camrs, but you are doing the same thing.
@@nigerian-nightmare Sounds like a misjudgement on your end. Test seem skewed? as I did a live session before this video. I took QnA and on top of that, I even did a follow up. This is basically you arent using your gear correctly and you need to learn how to use the camera system. I already trashed Nikon in the past so that literally defeats your talking point. For someone that claims not to take me seriously, you love coming back for more . My guess, you take me seriously enough to leave paragraphs of replies. Continue to do this. I await your next response.
@@theCameraVille@theCameraVille, I watched your videos, but based on my own experience, I totally disagreed with you on this one. I love my Z8, but there is no way I will agree with you that the Z8 tracks better than the Canon R5II. No freaking way. My Canon R5 tracks better than the Z8, and the R5II is on a different level.
@@nigerian-nightmare
Currently Im working on R6ii vs R5ii. Still has this issue.
This will make you believe.
www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-jerky-af-frame-issue-confirmed-by-canon/
Basically the AF shipped wasnt good. Canon confirms it as well.
Where my hug man. Come here now. We need that hug baby
Damn, Nikon did a great job !!!
Yes, I was amazed by the responsiveness in the autofocus. Perhaps new firmware from canon down the road can even up the competition but for now, Nikon has caught up real quick.
Great video
Thanks for sharing.
I’ve been on the R6 for the past 4 years
My R5ii shipped today so I’m looking forward to the higher MP and better autofocus.
It was very interesting to see the low light autofocus comparison and your perspective on the other pros and cons.
So Much Appreciated, thanks for the Comparison - still struggling between the Z8 or Z9 (Shooting D850 and D810 at the moment)
Not a problem. Both are great but I will warn you, 3 years hits in December for the z9. New cycle should be soon. Z9 ii summer fall 2025.
Yes but like new used z9 can be had for just a few hundred more than z8 from reputable after market sellers with 6 month warranty. So if one wants to buy into Nikon or just update to a z8/z9 level camera,there is almost no cost difference to obtain the benefits in the z9, assuming drawbacks don’t outweigh them for any given buyer. Always a new camera on the horizon so “new model coming soon” is questionable reason for choosing a camera. Particularly with steep discount on used z9, probably notably less loss of value than z8 if one wants to upgrade to z9 II whenever is actually does come out.
@ so Nikon does a 3 year cycle so by summer we should hear rumbling on the Z9ii which would then Massively drop the z9 value
@@theCameraVille If they did a 3 year cycle there would be a z9ii out next month with the original released in Dec 2021.
Given z9 retail is $5500, id call a $4k price from quality aftermarket companies already “massively discounted”.
But if you mean brand new z9 at same $4k price that would certainly be even more attractive :-)))
@@livin1965 Dont take the 3 year break literal. Its 3 year and then a few rumors to build it up. It should be this coming year .
I dont think new Z9 will hit the $4K price mark as prices are set to increase based on recent camera news. Im expecting the Z9II coming in around $6000 and up.
Also depending where you live, here in the US, with the upcoming tariffs , Z9II will be over $6000+
Very interesting. Appreciate your hard work and highlighting the differences. Will think about getting the Z8 and adapting my Sony lenses to Z mount. Thank you and take care.
A ton of us are doing that as well. I have several Sony glass. Pretty fun!
I own both the cameras and prime telephotos for each of them. I do birding and I can practically see Canon being better in AF accuracy and speed. Nikon Z8 is good but Canon R5 mark II is superior. It’s far more easier for me to lock focus on small birds and birds in flight with Canon. RAW pre-capture in itself is worth it.
Canon R5II had an update and we did a live show for it. Using same glass and native glass, both time R5II fail. Now if you are using different telephoto lens with adapters and you never updated it, that is on you but the audience and I saw that the Canon R5II needs another firmware update as even in this video, low light autofocus you cant even do it with R5II. Good luck
@s.gharavi1614 Nope, because when the firmware came out, we did a live test on the the IG. People saw the issue remains still. Also we reviewed it vs the R6II.
ua-cam.com/video/VtF_CpvyFSU/v-deo.html
In fact my whole studio is all Canon if you are tuned in. In another words, you believe in fan boys that are faceless keyboard warriors . Cheers LOL
@@s.gharavi1614 Nah, you are another keyboard warrior that doesn't own jack. It makes sense because you spend your time getting into others peoples conversation that isnt your own. Then type whatever you want because you realize you aint got it but you want to sound like you got it lol. Trash on a Tuesday afternoon. Feel bad for you. Cheers kid
Great job on this....and keep doing the REAL work to show what cameras can and CAN'T do for us.
Thank you Matt my man my man my man~! Appreciated
Wow, some of those results were quite surprising for me. I was expecting that the Nikon has a better sensor in terms of dynamic range than the Canon. However most people seem to praise Canons AF and say that it is maybe THE BEST. Since a few days I am an owner of an R5 II myself and have yet to do some testing myself. But it was interesting to me that you mentioned that Canon has issues to track someone that wears more than a shirt. I noticed that when I took pictures of my daughter with my old R5. When she was wearing a hat or cap the AF would recognize her eye but the focus really was on the front of the cap.
The R5 was still the best experience I ever had with a camera and I assume the Mark II will be an improvement. As someone who only does photography as a hobby switching brands would not make any sense for me and even though others might be better the R5 II is a solid camera.
Hey~! I am so glad you also did this test. I also did this with my R5c and R6 . Yes, when it came to like caps ,hoodie, glasses and certain logos I was wearing, it threw the AF off.
When I removed my hat and glasses in this test, the AF on the Canon was very neck to neck with Nikon. Once I put everything back on, I was shocked and now its in this video.
So I dig a big deeper and I read this :
www.usa.canon.com/newsroom/2024/20240515-dev-announcement?srsltid=AfmBOopRp6cDz9F6Plmd0fRShDYe1WE2DNs8T7Nsi8IhOcJ0DBhul78A
The new generation AF for Canon starts with the R1. We might be still using more or less slightly better AF from the the first generation ( R5/R6 ). The new one should be more smarter.
I am still keeping my R5II. We just need to know when to switch to single focus when the AF acts up. At least we both are aware but thank you for leaving this reply. Appreciate your feedback.
A really detailed test, thanks!
Glad you liked it! appreciate your time mate~!
Great video. Brief and to the point and covered some areas important to me. Also surprised by the loss of face tracking by the R5II. As others noted based on the reviews online one would generally come away with the perception Canon AF is more reliable and tracks better. Your test seems to suggest that’s not necessarily the case. Thanks for taking the time to make this and sharing it.
Glad it was helpful!
ua-cam.com/video/VtF_CpvyFSU/v-deo.htmlsi=A4w8vAeJk3sQV1pf
I also checked the AF vs my R6ii and the results is the same. This tells me a firmware update is needed for R5ii.
Here In Finland z8 cost 3800 € and r5ii cost 5000€
Woah, Thats a ton. Thats $5,500 USD for R5II. Waah.
@@theCameraVille Same in Germany
I'm a bit surprised about the AF. I see some real AF comparison, with moving subject at fast pace, on a "little" roller coaster. The Canon R5 II was far more sticky and has less missed shots than the Nikon Z8. I can pointed out the video if wanted.
And I'm a Nikon Z8 user. I would add that in my experience, we can't rely only on the back screen/EVF to be sure that the focus is right on spot. I've got several images there the focus point on the images is definitely not there the focus was. And even the latest firmware, the Nikon sometimes miss the eye and go to the eye lashes. On a static spec, you can see that Nikon has far less Focus Point than Canon, and Canon cover 100% of the sensor.
www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-jerky-af-frame-issue-confirmed-by-canon/
We also discovered this on the live show before i posted this video. There are promoters on youtube and real reviewers. You need to find what you need.
Cheers
@@theCameraVille I know and thanks for the link. Let me share you this one :
m.ua-cam.com/video/ESoBsl7ohQk/v-deo.html
It’s in French but he really tested the main competitors on various condition for the stab, the AF, etc…
This is unbiased, and you can see that the Canon r5 is stickier on subject following and catch the eye. On burst shot there is more wasted photo on the Nikon.
For me that the only downside of the Z8. The deep learning algorithm is not perfect and it sometimes see eyes where there isn’t. And those eyelashes focus from time to time.
For the link you share, I hope for R5II that’s a software issue, otherwise…😂
@@random_dev Yup, Im sure its going to be a firmware update but interesting to see how the difference with promoter youtuber vs real reviews are these days. It makes buyers confuse lol.
Really interesting! You should compare dynamic range in video between the two. Based off what Ive seen it seems like the only advantage the R5mk2 has
Your hunch is also the same as my hunch as well. I will take a look at all the settings and see how can we manage this for a short form video.
On cined they have a database of Dr test, they have what has become useless today, the imatest synthetic benchmark and the latitude test. Look at the latter, the Nikon had a good 1 to 2 stop higher than the Canons that have NR applied to their raw.
luckily I saw this before i put my order! thank you
Your welcome. I also did my R6ii vs R5ii. Same results. Canon needs a firmware update
With the sales, you can get a Z8 for $800 cheaper than the R5 II. That $800 can go to a phenomenal 24-120 or 24-70 2.8... Canon prices are just insane.
L glass for weather sealing with no other options killed me considering the RF mount. They just want nose bleed prices and don’t offer enough performance difference to justify that. All I really want from the R5ii in my Z8 is RAW for precapture. Another thing Nikon has for wildlife is Autocapture which means you can get your camera way closer to subjects with shorter focal length lenses, something that Canon doesn’t have at all.
Yea, the raw capture is one thing that a lot of people are raving about for Nikon. No Jpeg, just RAw~ @nikonUSA
Yes, I think the refurbished had it for $3,000 for Z8. I got mines for $4,000 with all those crazy recalls lol. Good times.
Nikon is way better
If you are referring to autofocus , DR , color, and buffer. Yup. I cant disagree. When we ran the test live last week, we were all shocked. Canon got some catching up to do.
HUH? I thought Canon is superior AF with dual pixel AF???
@@emptyskullify Not anymore
@@emptyskullify Its old. The new AF is in R1. Nikon caught up and can detect fast.
Nikon z8 ✌🏻
Its got really good after 2.0
Do you think the Z8 heats up when taking too many photos or filming?
The question here is "Why all the UA-camrs still support that the Canon R5 and R5II is way better camera"?
They used to have better auto focus but after Z8/Z9 they don' t really.
Exactly my intro. I buy and use the gear. Some of the folks on youtube have a loaner for a few weeks and they have to do those pro canon videos to keep the machine happy. Im 99% sure Canon isnt interested in giving me a loaner.
@@theCameraVille I appreciate this comment so much lol. I think the r5II is an amazing camera but Nikon z8 came out swinging with features. It's good to see positive feed back on Nikon too
@@marqman05 Yes, watch in a month, most of those reviewers wont even be owning a R5ii .I will be owning one still and using it for the video side of the channel. Both are great tools for different things . Its really comes down to many logistical factors on the users end. I appreciate your comment~!
Both of them great cameras, but Nikon outperform Canon by middle price prime wildlife lenses - 400mm f4.5, 600 mm pf, 800 mm pf.
You are correct, so many great primes on the Nikon side. Also in my 100-500 RF test, there is heavy Focus breathing and that is such a pricy glass.
I’ve always been a Nikon shooter and needed to upgrade for a long time. I was thinking about jumping ship to Canon but this video has restored some confidence in Nikon. I think I need to rent both of these and have a play before I decide based on UA-cam videos.
Yup and after this video was uploaded, Canon confirmed AF issue and is trying yo fix it. We will see if they did because Their other models dont do this.
@@theCameraVille focus is one of the main issues I wanted to switch. The Z8 looks to perform really well but Canon have been nailing it for a long time. The Z8 looks so much cleaner when pushing the ISO and the dynamic range though. I’m torn.
I ran similar tests and my findings on the canon were far superior tracking and auto focus over the Nikon. The canon stuck much better and I had more keepers. Both great cameras but the Canon edged it for me. Canons biggest letdown was the buffering.
You didnt provide any background on the camera or lens you used. Nothing to show really there but just claiming Canon is the best? Sounds fishy to me there . Merry Xmas tho !
one thing that hardly any reviewer mentions is the nikon z8 has 0.8x mag evf and the canon only 0.76 this in itself to me is more important than the resolution much bigger view in EVF with the z8
That is nice to know. Im glad you shared it~!
Please be consistent eg Nikon left canon right otherwise a bit confusing. I’m Nikon user and was attracted to canon body size and weight and headline specs. But but the performance that matters autofocus and picture quality - Nikon seems to handle reality better. Wish it was 300g lighter tho
Please pay attention because in photography you have to pay extra attention to the target. It’s a test.
We share a passion for meticulous detail. Thanks for the hard work.
Two words for me; Nikon glass.
I'm returning to the business after a long absence. Several years down the road I want to get into documentary film making. By that time I expect to see the full bloom on the rose in the Nikon-Red merger, so I see that as a form of future proofing for buying Nikon gear. Any 8K video I shoot in the meantime probably won't need the heat dissipation required for long recordings. I shot weddings way back in the analogue era. The actual ceremony itself was the longest the video was ever running at one time...they're over in much less time than the Z8 will take to heat up, especially in a climate controlled environment, & almost all of them are likely going to be shot in 4K anyway.
The real estate market is my initial interest for now. Which of these two do you see as being a better option there? From what I saw, color accuracy & dynamic range probably come into play more for me, which means the Z8 is where I'm leaning. Would like your thoughts...
I believe in the next 2 years we will see the RED soon in our Nikons. The glass already is sharp on the Nikons.
However
I buy a ton of Canon glasses EF/RF . The EF , has that filmic look and can be used on Nikon, Sony , Lumix etc. RF glass I use are the small pancake sized , affordable lens that Nikon doesn’t make. Since I film in public here and there, I need a small compact size so canon fits a lot of the bill for my own work.
Until Nikon makes more compact lens, affordable value, I will be buying more RF over Z.
Great review! Super informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Omg as a canon shooter I’m really shocked about these results. I remember 2 years ago really everyone on UA-cam was laughing about Nikon because of their AF and now they have overtaken canon even though their Z 8 ist 2 years old 😱
Z8 is only a year and a few months old. Yup. Nikon has surpassed Canon. I remember their Z9 wasnt great when it first came out. My R6 did better in focus than that unit.
Today, Canon is just holding their new AF with the R1. Basically the Canon AF is dated.
been waiting for this test! thank you so much
You are welcome. Im glad you enjoyed the review. It was fun makng the video and I didnt know half the information till I actually made the video. I made my guess before hand but most of it was wrong. Nikon Z8 is pretty damn good for photo.
@@theCameraVille it seems like these companies got some work to do with these stacked sensors. The z6III suffers too but at least older stacked nikons are still holding up
What a fantastic test. Especially the AF test. I was always led to believe that Canon is a bit better than Nikon in AF. Your test dispelled that. Now I’m curious, please do the same test on the R1 if you can get your hands on it. It’s hyped to be the best if not the best AF currently on the market (probably until the A1 mark ii is released)
Couldn't agree more! We will see if R1 comes in. Good chance we will see an appearence
Many thanks for a very interesting and informative video. As a Canon shooter (5D IV) about to finally go mirrorless and get the R5 MkII, I’m quite shocked! Especially on the AF front after so many have raved about the R5 Mk II’s new AF.
The shadow and highlight recovery is also disappointing. Photons to Photos report that the R5 Mk II, allegedly, has slightly better dynamic range than the Z8 (in both electronic and mechanical shutter). I’m certainly not disputing your results though. After watching your video I downloaded the sample (underexposed) RAW files from DPReview, and I do agree that in Lightroom the R5 Mk II does exhibit significantly more colour noise when exposure is raised by 4 stops and shadows + blacks are each raised by 100%. (Obviously a very aggressive push but it certainly demonstrated the point). I wonder though whether Adobe’s profiles for the Mk II might be a bit suspect. When I pushed the same image in Canon’s own RAW processor (DPP) they were markedly cleaner (albeit you can’t exactly replicate Adobe’s shadow and blacks adjustment in DPP).
You have to also read the triangle on photons to photons. People forget about that part. If its circle , its pure raw. If its triangle, its baked, not true raw anymore. Once you bake a file, always they tend to lose the dynamic range. It is also label above the chart and its small text.
2 years ago, the plan was to move full Canon from Nikon. Made a video on it. To keep pipeline for the channel more streamline.
Then Nikon buys RED and seeing R5ii like this, Im a bit concern as to what I paid for exactly. Time will tell when firmware comes out. Untill then most folks are loving the precapture in raw when it comes to wildlife and clog2.
Tester, I have a question for you. When the telephoto zoom lenses were used to compare the camera's AF performance, were you in full manual mode on the exposure settings for both bodies? If so, why were the shutter speeds different? Was it because the overall scene lighting was different and the shutter speed was 'floating' to maintain the preset ISO and aperature?
The shutter speed was manually change to see which Af would still focus with the least amount of light. So hight the shutter, the better as long as the AF point is hitting the head of the bird and not the entire body.
Z8 is a big small camera with can be confusing menu system. It can get very warm doing photography in hot humidity weather. It has great video specs but can get super hot it's better to get a dedicated video camera
Thanks for sharing
I used an external battery and powered my Z8 for 1.5 hr video without problems. I haven't used the recapture yet, but Z8 has this too.
Yea, external are great but thats all rigging. I made a video on it a while ago and did a vmount test with the Z8 actually. Cables everywhere.
Looking for a compact solution being out and about. Need to be low key so folks dont see this huge thing while recording.
I love canon af system but I love nikon image quality (Nikon RAW File amazing)
www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-jerky-af-frame-issue-confirmed-by-canon/
We discovered this on our end.
I can't believe my eyes that Nikon beating Canon in terms of Autofocus.. wow.. Nikon's reputation is not good when it comes to autofocus, but, looking at this video changed my perspective 360°.. I'm planning to buy Z8 this week along with telephoto 160-600mm lens
After this video was uploaded, Canon sadly confirmed af issue and trying currently to fix it. Folks are asking the bigger youtuber why they didnt bother to catch it or mention it😂🤦♂️.
End of the month was given on FW update. We will see.
Manythings are missing and misleading, Nikon have Internal raw Recording also dedicated battery charging port that you can use powerbank to direct power and it won't heatup like canon u need external recorder
Canon has Internal Raw. Also while you can power nikon with PD but you will need a rigged system. Cables everywhere. It is possible, I mentioned it in the video. Its the convenience Canon is offering and with a fan at that.
@@theCameraVille yepp so we need to purchase extra accessories for this then how it's value for money, we all knw the original R5 heating issues, and the new version have mostly the same behaviour that's why canon provide this grip with fan .it's kind of modification accessory to the body
Yep I think it is s fair point as the Canon fan system us as big if not bigger than many ps system, and with video you do get a lot of cable anyway.
someone has been lying about how the Nikon AF works... I can say that the nikon has better AF than what some of these so called other UA-camR'S are saying....
GREAT JOB!!!
Yea, they typically are doing test in good lighting condition and since its a loaner, they need to make the company happy. Sad part is, half of them probably dont own a R5ii after. They would return it and call it. I own the unit and sadly not too happy with the results. Extra $500🤦♂️
I used my phone for raw photos. S24 Ultra can take them. I sold 1 photo, she paid 50 for it and I gave her a frame too. So, I would like either one for my nature and wildlife photography. Which one would you recommend for nature photography and wildlife?
No idea what you wrote there buddy.
@theCameraVille lol, i was texting fast and did not proofread. Give me a second to edit it.
Great video. Very useful thank you 👍🏻
Appreciate your time🙏🙏🙏
It might also be worth considering, if you're trying to choose between the two, that you can get the Nikon for a thousand dollars cheaper than the Canon.
Interesting review, I am going to buy one of these cameras. Another Nikon advantage is more interesting glass for wildlife, and the price as well...
Nice, yea the z8 currently has been holding up nicely. I’m still waiting on a new firmware from canon R5ii. I just finished a video on the R6ii vs R5ii and results were the same on the R5ii, needs an update
Well..... According to Jared Polin what you're saying certainly is not possible. And I mean heas a professional shouter/talker, thats gotta be worth something right?
I guess if you like to get shout at😂🤦♂️.
Excellent review thanks for yourbindepth review
Glad it was helpful!
thank you
You're welcome
Not the better AF focusing coming from Nikon! Internet says its impossible.
LOL! I said the same thing. I did my own comparison with these two cameras and got similar results but I thought I was doing something wrong only because every other youtuber said Canon was better. I shoot with both and honestly both are great cameras. Can't go wrong either way.
Yea, I even tried to tweek the Canon AF human tracking and still it doesnt stick as I thought it would. I think you saw me doing that behind the scenes😂🤦♂️..
The Nikon just snaps. Zero adjustments.
Yes, we are getting spoiled these days. Im amaze Nikon is very sticky over the Canon. I cant wait to test the R1 now. Gonna be interesting.
Was NOT expecting this, looking for my buy once cry once camera to go FF Mirrorless and was looking at z8 but canon just felt better in the hands. But for what I like to do (landscapes/wave photography) the z8 just seems better. I just didn’t like the boxy feel of the z8 and maybe how the one in store was configured but the evf looked really bad! 🤷🏻♂️ I guess I need to give it another good look
Me either. I was like paying $500 more than the previous R5, must be new improve tech.
After running this test, I am not happy about it the R5ii. It is a lighter camera btw . If you arent pushing and pulling more than 3 stops, the R5II should be fine. Anything more, you will see some color shifts no doubt.
I love my old R5.
How dare you call it olds mean person.
I really surprised that the R5II had trouble tracking. Very strange outcome imo. As a wildlife photographer, I was intrigued by the R5II but still I might move back to Nikon (from Sony) as I really love the wide range of birding lenses to choose from Nikon.
They are still on the 2022 AF system. Similar to my R6ii. The new AF is on the R1. Should be better . Yea low light is bad on Canon. If you watch my older video on the Nikon, couldnt even focus right 3 years ago on the same bird in this video. Even Z9 when it first came out, it was being outperformed bt my R6 I for bird tracking.
Now Nikon sticks and it sticks nice.
What about Nikon Z9 vs Z8? Which one will you recommend? I want the best hybrid camera
Z9 was awful and was behind Z8. There is an angle shot i can reproduce that nikon needs to fix.
they are so similiare body. z9 is very big
@@mehmetklc2933 We did a comparison video. there is an angle where the AF wasn’t aiming right on the Z9. this is after 3.0 FW too. We tracked this issue on the IG for 2 years. Still easily reproducible.
我使用Z8拍攝台灣熊鷹一年了，不論拍照或視頻的對焦與追焦，真的超級無敵滿意，可以說熊鷹出現時，NIKON Z8沒有一次讓我失望過，我正在等待Z9二代，已經預訂了，因為肯定NIKON這兩年來的不斷進化，並且完全以消費者需求為主，就這麼簡單，只要廠商不斷進步，且符合消費者需求的期待，不斷進行軟體更新，那消費者毫無保留，絕對還沒發佈時，就提前買單。
Yes a few years ago the Nikons werent doing well. I did this exact same test with the older models and Canon was very good. Right now, Z8 is very good and better than Canon R5ii at the moment.
@@theCameraVillehi I’m reading that Z6III DR isn’t as great as expected. So the Z8 surpasses the Z6III in DR? Is the Z6III better in any way apart from EVF realism? How do you find the Z8 ECF?
@@ST-fl5fy Yes, the Z6III took a hit in DR. Like in this video, it depends on what you are doing and needing. If you dont need all the DR and crazy low light AF, Z6III should be fine for most. But if you want the best of the best, Z8 looking mighty. I have Z6II and ZF currently. I skipped Z6III due to the issue I see with the R5II.
I am using the D5 and want to switch to the Z8, but I'm worried about overheating. Is it because of taking too many photos or filming?
@@hoangthai1169 拍照完全不會過熱也不會出現過熱提示，在台灣夏天，35-38度時，採用8K錄影，有時會出現溫度提示，但完全不影響使用拍攝。
Nikon give me pre capture raw.
Lol!! Mr Gates…. We meet again.. @Nikonusa please give us raw pre cap🤦♂️🤦♂️
It’s basically all I want in a firmware update. Z8’s been a great camera and I appreciate that I can get weather sealed lenses without being forced into L glass prices.
@@kalimarus lol yes. Nikon , please put that in your system. Dont you dare save it for Z9ii lol! Z8 can totally do it.
Please create a Nikon Zf vs Z50ii vs Zfc showing real world examples.
I would love to. I hope I get more inquiries to make this happen🔥🔥🔥
Canon does a lot of things right with the R5 mark ii. It has most things wildlife photographers need. High 30fps, precapture Raw. Those two features alone also at the price is already unmatched but like every other camera, no one is perfect. The downfall for Canon for wildlife photography is their lens lineup. After 6 years of the RF mount, there are still no mid range telephoto primes. Nikon released at least three 400,600,800 all in a span of two years. Canon still only nothing in between. It is either the best primes or the low end primes or zooms.
Yup I mentioned the first part of your claim in the video. If you need the first burst of 30fps , then canon. If you need to shoot longer duration over 5 seconds, Nikon would be the better choice. So just depends on how people are shooting.
Lens is correct. I notice Canon love doing more wide angle lens while Nikon does a ton of prime telephoto lens. This is also another reason why I film in Canon. Tons of wide angle option to record video. Pancake 16mm 2.8 FF is so low key.
@@theCameraVille Z9 and Z8 can shoot faster in jpeg. Still better than nothing and also has pre capture. I presume this generation of Nikons can’t do anything faster in raw capture. Probably has to be in mark ii
@@ryantang8146 Yup. Most people dont know this but shooters for nba/nfl, most of them shoot jpegs because they got to load off to the news outlet real quick. Maybe playoff and championship , important games, they would do raw but in general jpeg seems the go to.
@@ryantang8146 I think z8 and z9 can do near limitless buffer (far beyond capabilities of R5II) with the Nikon HE* raw format. All test images I’ve seen show no noticeable quality difference from the Nikon lossless raw format.
There is something wrong with canon R5 mk ii settings....
Nope. We did this on the live show before the youtube. All QnA were asked and all settings were correct. In fact we just did R6ii vs R5ii. Way different . Cheers
ı bought nikon z8 at tokyo . ı also use z6 ii . z8 is so fantastic . af is very fast and excellent. ergonomy is excellent
Totally agree, Its one of my system I use on a daily. Crazy how good it is in this package.
Do you think the Z8 heats up when taking too many photos or filming?
@@hoangthai1169 Explain your question. Need specific. If its 110F day outside, yes of course.
Canon is way more expensive in Europe. A canon 50 1.2L RF usually goes for 2500 here while my nikon 50 1.2S goes for 1900.with rebates or 2200 regular
Woah. That is wild . I didn’t know!? Which country do you live?
Romania@@theCameraVille
Nikon Z6iii vs Sony A9iii, Image quality, noise and autofocus please review....
Sadly I can’t. Sony will demonetize me if I do a review on their products. I missed 4 month of revenue. Never again.
Thank you for this test. Could you please do a second test with actual photos (like the ISO test) to see if the AF really does nail the focus in each camera? Thank you again for your work. It is good to see alternate views as sponsorship often clouds comments by reviewers by introducing bias.
Do you mean to see if every iso range affect AF tracking? I can run a test and see if its worth a show hmm. interesting
@@theCameraVille Yes. Thank you for replying.
@@theCameraVille I agree with Tiger.
Even as a Nikon shooter you need to make the cameras take photos during the af test since it could be the same situation with the Fuji XT5 & XH2 that lies about the af box being in focus when it's not.
@@JPCl No, because Fuji is known to have AF issue. I used to test them and its called black out and lag. Its in the Fuji system but too many fan boys deny it.
Z8 is flicker free. Doesnt have this issue
what is the adapter you are using for Canon's lenses on Nikon?
That would be the mighty Fringer company.
It's counterintuitive for Canon R5ii to perform less in autofocus than the Nikon Z8, considering the R5ii has a stacked sensor with twice as much auto-focus points.What the hell Canon?
The new Autofocus is in the R1. I tested the Canon vs Nikon in the past and Canon were better. Today, Canon isnt better than Nikon Z8. It is going to get interesting in 2025
@theCameraVille yeah, it'll be interesting to see what other magic bells and whistles all major competitors come up with.
I'd like a camera with no less than 40 megapixels, excellent dynamic range in low light and excellent autofocus tracking. It's also got to shoot in bursts of no less than 20 fps, and can also record in 4k 120p and hd 240p. Very little to no overheating with decent battery life too.
Right now I don't know if there's any such camera that has all those strengths. Usually there's trade offs of strengths for weaknesses, depending on the sensor size and megapixels.
Great content!! Can you do a video on the OM1ii please 🙏🏽
Woo I would consider~!@
very surprising results. my old r5 used to nail focus in way dimmer lighting than my z8 does.
One of my canon friends, he said the same thing. Not sure which update was it but he felt like one of the FW made his camera less sticky when it came to AF. I have never tested this theory but the more I see folks talking about it, the more I realized there may be truth to this.
It would be interesting to see them compared in different firmware over the years. I feel like Nikon Z8/Z9 perform like different cameras with how many AF updates they’ve had, we’re on revision 5 or something, so it very well may have on an earlier firmware version.
@@kalimarus Yup! I think the 2.0 is the one that change the Z8 dramatically. The z9 at first had a few issue but it was like 4.0 when I saw a huge difference. You are right, so many updates. I remember I waited 2 years maybe for the 4.0 on the Z9.
Thanks for the best comparing reviews. But according to photonstopphotos z8 dynamic range is behind r5 m2. Yiur real test is showing vice versa. Also canon lost the color. Can yoy inform me please?
I dont know that website but many are sponsored so please keep that in mind. Do your research on them. Also many dont include a third variable, Adobe Lightroom. Canon R5ii has high DR but the unit is baking which mean not full Raw. I hope the website also include this info. Bake is bad.
Good luck.
The thing about photo AF on new Nikons, though, is that while the evf or monitor will show the eye tracking working tremendously well, actual pictures taken will result in missed focus, not a lot, but more than it should, despite the autofocus box leading you to believe it's in focus.
Sounds like user error on your end. You should learn about shutter speed. We did the testing live with no jump cuts. Maybe go take some online classes in photography and come back. Cheers
@@theCameraVille wow, that's presumptuous. just wow. In your 'photo af test,' you are allowing the camera to track a subject, which it does well, but you're not actually taking photos - you're not clicking the shutter to test the resulting AF accuracy. A better test would be a burst of a human subject running towards the camera and then checking and reviewing the actual images for focus/misses
@@theCameraVille Wow this is one of the nastiest comments on a photography/video channel, i have ever seen. 😅 And even ignoring the point of the comment above. While you may not have done cuts or edits in your AF Test Video, the point above still stands, that you did not present any data of actual photos. We basically watched how two cameras drew boxes around a human face.
Now I don't have knowledge about wether or not the Nikon or the Canon have a problem with actually aquiring focus when taking a photo, but I do not like it, when people get belittled for pointing out potential issues.
@@mitchellweitzman9329 exactly! Was waiting for that. Stupid test. It proves absolutely nothing.
@@theCameraVille you should learn to take pictures with cameras not record video of AF boxes over your face.
the moment you purchase the canon cooling system, compare it to the z9 thats got no overheating problems. compare the price of z9 ro r5ii with extra grip .
Thats R3 territory. Yes Z9 overheats. We tried it before . R3 also overheats. I do long form recording.
@@theCameraVille so you say canon c80 is way to go🤣
@@stefanusrheeder4162 Im on the R5c. It has a cooling fan built in. Its $3,400 .
C80 is a cinema camera. Different series of camera.
Your going off script which makes things complex . This is Z8 bs R5ii we are talking about here😂🤦♂️
Which has better 4k60 footage?
Would be a nice video to test and see. So many formats tho hmm
Great video, very informative, thank you. It would be nice to be able to download the RAW files with high ISO shown in the low light comparison and recovery of shadows and highlights, could you kindly provide a link?
I used to provide all raw files but not anymore. User would take my own files and use it as their own for reviews with no credit given . It was suggested I do a Patreon and go this route. If I get more request I will start a one. Thanks.
@@theCameraVilleThanks for the reply, I understand about the raw files... in the low light test how many stops did you underexpose and did you recover in post? Which raw editor do you use? ... I have several Canon lenses and I'm considering ordering the R5 Mark II for wildlife photography... thanks again
There is also the Z9 for the same price as the Canon.
That is true and you get the bigger battery.
Your comparison videos are great. I especially like your buffer test method but the photo autofocus section for this and your other videos are incomplete without taking sequence of photos and checking the actual photos because the EVF/LCD tracking overlay and camera/lens autofocus are two separate processes.
My Fuji's eye tracking overlay lags behind the actual camera focus so it would look like all the photos would be off-focus but most are in-focus after reviewing the photos.
Fuji isnt flicker free so you will deal with lag. Another reason why I stopped reviewing fuji. Bad lag and autofocus .
Z8 and R5ii are flicker free. You wont need to deal with that. In fact my older nikon z6ii video, I spoke heavily about that lag. Its horrible.
Why do you change side (left or right) with the brands when you show different comparison? I'd like to se Nikon always on one side (left)...
Let me try to read your mind the next to Noble~!
I assume you are comparing Raw files? You don't say what program you are using to process the Raws. I have tested Adobe vs Capture One and DPP, and at this time Adobe is significantly worse. I'm sure they will improve this like they did with the R5 files, but for now they look worse so I'd be interesting in knowing how they were processed. Also, for tracking I have found it too jumpy unless you change the tracking to a stickier setting. You said something about changing settings but didn't say which settings you changed to and to what for your test.
Already I can tell you have zero clue on what you are doing if you cant tell from the screen shot its from Lightroom.
@@theCameraVille Thanks for the (demeaning) reply. However, I guess you missed the part where I've tested my R5 II files in 3 raw processors and without applying the Adobe Enhance feature the Lightroom files are the worst. You didn't dispute what I said by telling me you have done a comparison so I guess we have very different ideas of what makes a good photo equipment UA-camr.
Thank you very very much for this comparision. I‘m on the fence in choosing among Nikon Z8, Canon R5II & Sony A7RV(coming A7V).
Read elsewhere Nikon is outstanding in low light autofocus color people (I’m Asian living in Asian country). It is only now I see the real world comparisions.
I tell you what my perception is R5II has the best human face reconition before watching your video. Yes, someone might argue that in focus at viewfinder / lcd not necessary means in focus at exposure. Still it is stronger than even not focus at viewfinder.
Thank you very much.
You are welcome mate~! Good luck on your choice~!
@@theCameraVille thank you!
How about focus, sharp and noise if canon and nikon use sigma prime lens (same focal length) with adaptor?
Same results.
Nice tset!👍🏻
Glad you like it!
Z8 bị tăng nhiệt do chụp nhiều phải không bạn?
Video so far. Photo if you are in direct sun ☀️ and temps are 85F yes
I tried both, overheating happened earlier in R52😂
Sadly it does. I’m kind of weird out. In fact it’s winter outside and still warms up fast 😭😭
9:08 I thought canon was the king of autofocus until I saw this. Many reviewers have different outcome when it comes to nikon af.
Not anymore sadly. Theres even a AF bug reported on the Canon.
www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-jerky-af-frame-issue-confirmed-by-canon/
Sadly even the reviewers dont report this. I already did in my live show before this youtube was posted. That was a month ago.
There are promoters and real tester. You need to find what your looking for
Bro can u do fuji autofocus vs other camera😊😊
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Canon dropped the ball with the r5ii, it's just a lacklustre upgrade and not worth the jump from the r5.
I was also told the R5 has more Dynamic range than the II. I’m waiting for that firmware in Feb which should fix the R5II . Will make an update
I’m still stuck at Pentax k1 & I don’t think I’m going to switch for another 5-6 years or even more.
I watch your channel only to support you
Oh my god Vik! Where have you been. Dont you get me emotional. I do still buy Pentax lens behind the scene. I have all the new HD limited set. 🔥🔥
I still own a Pentax K-3 and lenses, I shoot mostly Nikon now for the AF-C but I do love pentax controls more than any other system. Maybe we’ll see a K-1iii at some point with the AF improvements of the K-3iii. The K-1 is still a great camera for a lot of subjects.
@@kalimarus Oh snap didnt know you do Pentax too~! Yea my K1 is still here with my limited series lens. If there is K1 MkIII coming that would be quite an interesting day.
wow. unexpected. nikon really won.
Yea , it was mind boggling. We had to do the test several time on the livestream. It was wild.
@@theCameraVille Absolutely. Thank you for video.
Nikon on top!
is it normal that the image of the Canon R5 Mk II looks so washed out?
Stack sensor = less dynamic range 🙁
@@theCameraVille but the Z8 also has a stacked sensor
@@eyechel Yes, but not all stack sensor are the same . These are 2 different companies and Canon new stack is worse.
petapixel.com/2024/08/06/the-canon-r5-iis-new-stacked-sensor-comes-with-a-dynamic-range-penalty/
In fact R5 original owners discovered that their system has more dynamic range than the new version.
you forgot to mention that Z8 can shoot 120 fps jpeg
lol!!!!! 😆
Can you do a review of the EF to Z adapter?
Yea , its awesome. Full metal build. I can do a review on it.
I just keep my 60 megapixels Sony Cameras !
I reviewed Sony 60 before. Poor DR. Pixel shift still needs a 3rd party program to adjust the and assemble the file. Pentax DSLR does it internal in the camera. Sony need to shape up.
Show us the autofocus test results with real photos taken during the test. Your test is highly suspicious. It's said more than enought time that Nikon viewfinder might show focus acquired but the actual photo will be out of focus.
So your saying that the camera used in the olympics cant take a picture of my speedy self " walking"?
Also, its highly suspicious that you are more concern on the AF on me because its a Nikon and not on the Canon which stays focus on the mannequinn.
Get to class kid lol.
www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-jerky-af-frame-issue-confirmed-by-canon/
First off go to your Canon fanboy youtube site, tell them to explain to you this and come back kid lol.
@@NGKSTUDIO What do you mean? Your not capitalizing your W at the beginning of the Sentence and your calling me a toddler?
sunyempire.edu/online-writing-support/resources/punctuation/capital-letters/#:~:text=Capital%20letters%20are%20useful%20signals,1.
There you go my guy. Go learn a thing or 2 kid.
Eat this FRO lol
Lol. He has the promitional tag in his video I believe so Canon probably worked with him. Sadly , I dont get any help from camera brands. I still own and use both🫡
Lmao Nikon whoopin that azz 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I don´t know what you did to the Canon tracking in that test but even my "old" R5 is better performing then what you showed here. Crazy and weird. When you see it on wildlife channels it´s the complete opposite and snappy as hell.
I did the test in the past and my old R6 Mark I did better than the Z9. Then I realized that was 3 years ago just about. Its a new year and new system. Also, the new autofocus is for the R1, not the R5II. This all means, Canon was riding an old AF system where Nikon kept improving. In the end, if you need low light autofocusing, Nikon is the better choice until the R1 comes out.
www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-jerky-af-frame-issue-confirmed-by-canon/
Man I dont know why you dont go to these canon youtuber and asked them why I was able to replicate this on my live show and they didnt bother to show lol.
I can't believe that Z8 has better AF ability than R5 mark II. I am a Z9 user and also interest in R5 mark II. Usually new Comer is better.....Maybe I should wait for the firmware update first
This was an issue with Canon R3 and my R6 II. Possible but unfortunately that will take a while. The thing is , most youtuber dont realize, if the AF isnt good, they need to tell it. If it is bad and they said its good, your FW will be delayed for a while. It takes a crowd to make noise. I was upset with Nikon Z6II autofocus and my heavens, I made noise and they fixed it .
www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/team-usa-photographer-doubles-hit-rate-with-canon-eos-r1-at-the-olympics
So according to the Canon Olympic photographer, only R1 gets him 90% hit rate. He was only hitting 40% with all the Canons . Just FYI.
@@theCameraVille Team USA photographer DOUBLES hit rate with Canon EOS R1 at the Olympics
By James Artaius
published July 31, 2024
"95% take rate. This is crazy!" Team USA's photographer more than doubled his hit rate for gymnastics with the Canon EOS R1
So why is it wrong to quote and distort already printed and published information?
@@jonassekondi931 Yea, its wild. So you need to won a R1 to hit 95% hit rate. Everything else was 45% he said. Ouch.
www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-jerky-af-frame-issue-confirmed-by-canon/
Wild, no other youtuber even bother but my live show did catch this. Cheers
Pentax
Pentax film?
Nikon sensor made by Sony! Nuff said!!
Apple screens are made by Samsung. Apples arent Samsung because..... The os is different. The Nikon Expeed is different than the Sony BIONZ .
And Nvidia processors are made by TSMC, so are they not Nvidia chips?
@@WIDGI exactly. 👍
My z8 hasn’t overheated. No need for a cooler
No kidding. According to your tag, looks like you work in a studio. You probably never left the crib.
@@theCameraVille I left a simple comment with my experience with my camera. I shoot 2 to 3 homes a day. Why would you be sour about it?
@@KreatorStudios No, you didnt leave a simple comment. You left a half baked comment. I was there to help you clarified your statement. So folks that read this know your intentions.
You took it sour because I called you out on your studio which you failed to mentioned, which mind you, at the end of the video, I suggested your exact situation being in an AC control studio.
Be specific because what you did was trying to make it look as if there is no issue. Not everyone is fortunate to have a studio like yours. Get it?
@@theCameraVille I shoot real estate in Florida. Run and Gun. 2-3 homes a day. The Z8 has replaced my Sony a7 iv as my main camera. Florida, is hot. That said, I don't run it for long periods of time when shooting video. A few minutes, maybe maxing at 10 min of nonstop recording for a given clip. I've don't need a cooler. Maybe I would if I was running it longer or was working 120f/s more. I appreciated the video because I've owned many Canon's and would have loved to have the r5 mk ii. But at this point I'm really happy with the Nikon. Truth be told, I like all of them and just wish I had the cash for it all. Good luck.
@@KreatorStudios
I prefer canon R1 and R3 .I'm professional sport reporter and R1 and R3 is the best for my work.
www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/team-usa-photographer-doubles-hit-rate-with-canon-eos-r1-at-the-olympics
Well R1 aint out yet. R3 is 40% hit rate according to Canon Ambassador.
It's disappointing that after 4 years Canon got slightly worse photo quality.Ill keep my R5.
Yes, people said the DR is worse than previous on the R5ii.
I do have a R5c to test this claim.