Hey there! I don't normally do this, but this video is struggling really hard. It's quite literally the worst performing video of the last couple of years. And I just want to understand why is this happening. So it would mean the world to me if you give me your honest thoughts and criticism about this video. Be brutally honest. I can take it. Thank you in advance.
it's youtube algorithm brother it happens man and seriously your very underrated and i hope you get a boost in 2025. even alex lennon also said your criminally underrated and because of you he is able to make the entire history of batman video. so it's youtube algorithm that stopping the reach.
A very small percentage of people read comics, because people don't read much at all. An even smaller percentage of them read "old" comics. That's why comic book videos attracts many, it's curiosity (and also because they will not read it themselves). Films on the other hand are the most mainstream media available at the moment, and a lot people have either watched or have an opinion about every movie, even imposed by other film reviewing yt channels. Thumbnail could be a problem here, because it doesn't hint that the video will be about comics too (yea it's stupid YT thing)
A pinch of slat to put the taste of my feedback into context: I do not read comics / graphic novels or whatever else the audience needs to call them now. I am a fan of the Bat-Man character but not a cultist. Superman would win in a fight between them. Now my thoughts (since you asked). Perhaps this video is not performing well because most of the audience has fallen insanely in love with the Nolan trilogy. Personally I saw them at the dollar cinema and thought I over-paid. Bale bores me to tears and Nolan... well people like him. People also claim to like rap music so... I'm waxing long here to deliver a simple response. Your content was 99% right on the money. If that was your aim, congratulations. If your aim was to make this video popular... then you need to say something that Bat-Nolan cultists want to hear. Just my humble thoughts. Personally I hope you keep making this exact kind of piece because I like to hear your opinion. Even when it's wrong. (OH, and BRAVO to your bravery for asking for honest feedback. That is impressive.)
The old title led me to believe this was mainly about batman begins, so i put it on my watch later playlist. I am more invested in your analysis of the comics and bringing that together
I agree with @jackfromshack this is a great video, and I can't wait to see your follow up about the Dark Knight. I would include a comic panel in the thumbnail and make it clear you are comparing the movie to the comics, because that's what sets this video apart from so many other Batman movie reviews
@@VincenzoMGREX yep same here when i want to watch something about batman. this youtube channel is a library of BATMAN and i just hope he get's a boost where other awesome youtubers like alex lennon who mentioned him in his entire history of batman video and he also considers him as a criminally underrated but still alex got views where salazar knight didn't get that much support. maybe it's youtube algorithm. which is why i hope he get's a boost in 2025
Batman Begins is my favorite out of the DK trilogy. Unlike The Dark Knight or the 1989 movie, Batman Begins focuses on the psychy on Bruce Wayne, showing his transition into becoming Batman. Plus, unlike The Dark Knigh and The Dark Knight Rises, it's a good balance of gritty realism and comic book escapism.
I like how gritty Gotham looks in this film with the Brown and Gold color scheme, they should of kept that in The Dark Knight and Rises cause it makes them feel somewhat disconnected from Begins.
Honestly in 2005 expectations were very low for superhero live action movies. I was shocked at how "decent" the X-Men films in the early 2000s were and considered it a fluke. Blade didn't count, that was horror. I was just hoping Batman Begins wouldn't be cringe. I had my issues, but couldn't complain because I thought this would be as good as it gets. This was 3 years before Iron Man and the MCU would change the face of superhero films.
I think you got the ending wrong... Batman says to Gordon that he would try to stop Ra's by himself. Gordon destroying the rails was a backup solution in the case Batman failed. The important thing to notice is that Ra's is killed by Gordon, not Batman. Since Gordon is a cop, he has the right and the duty to kill a terrorist if that means saving innocent people. Batman knows this and doesn't interfere. Some people say that Batman should have tried to save Ra's life, but the thing is that he did try. He got on the train and tried to stop it before it was too late, but in the end it was all for nothing, as Ra's destroys the controls to prevent the train from stopping. He brought that upon himself.
Can’t agree about the Wayne’s death. I thought that’s one of the times the shaky cam actually works. It captures how Bruce would over processing such a traumatic experience. And the switch from the city to the scummy alley is his introduction to how scary the real world really is. 6:12 “Bragging”? Maybe they just like opera. 16:44 Agree and disagree. The studio was right from the point of fan service. Fans would be expecting the Batmobile. Artistically though it kinda messes with the films pacing. 23:40 I disagree. I think it works perfectly fine as a stand alone movie.
The Batmobile scenes are fine but it feels like they were added only to add more action to the film since Nolan wasn't really great at normal action scenes compared to dialogue heavy scenes(The Bank robbery scene being one of the exceptions), especially the Joker chase scene with the Bike in the Dark Knight.
that scene where Batman is beating up guys at the harbor is shot that way because you're seeing it from Falcone's point of view, where he can't really make out what's going on
"They told me there was nothing out there, nothing to fear. But the night my parents were murdered I caught a glimpse of something. I've looked for it ever since. I went around the world, searched in all the shadows. And there is something out there in the darkness, something terrifying, something that will not stop until it gets revenge... Me." I still get chills every time I recall seeing that teaser trailer years ago.
You’re one of the best Batman channels here on UA-cam you do your researching and you know what you’re talking about Your channel is why I’m starting my own Batman channel from one Batman fan to another keep up the great work!!!!!!
@ Most definitely My first video is currently in the works right now I have uploaded a introduction trailer to the channel thank you so much for your support!
I'm probably in the minority here but my big problem with the Nolan films is that they don't pick a lane. They talk a big game about being a more grounded take on the batman mythos but they still have impossible gadgets and city destroying superweapons. But then they won't commit to having fantastical elements like Venom or the Lazarus pit. Either do a more grounded movie about what batman would be like in the real world or do one that's more like the comics.
Ras Al Ghul didn’t seem to care whether or not he died. Batman actually attempted to stop the train with the controls but Ras stops him by destroying it. Destroying the tracks was like a last resort.
Im not a huge fan of this film but I love how Nolan was the only one to keep Batman cape always upfront as curtains and also love how the cape was used to glide as well. Something that Matt Reeves Batman would emulate as well. Finally, my major expose to this film was trough the videogame for PS2/Gamecube. I was fond of the interrogation sequences and how you were supposed to scare your enemies first instead of recklessly attack them unlike in Arkham Games.
Believe me, I tried my hardest to be generous with the movie in this video. I'm just glad you still watch my stuff after all this time, even when you don't like the movie. So thank you for that!
Honestly in 2005 expectations were very low for superhero live action movies. I was shocked at how "decent" the X-Men films in the early 2000s were and considered it a fluke. Blade didn't count, that was horror. I was just hoping Batman Begins wouldn't be cringe. I had my issues, but couldn't complain because I thought this would be as good as it gets. This was 3 years before Iron Man and the MCU would change the face of superhero films.
OH HELL YEAH NEW SALAZAR KNIGHT VIDEO JUST DROPPED. I have to go to work right now but I will leave a comment with my thoughts and responses after I watch this later!! Can’t wait; now I have something to look forward to after my shift at work!
@@SalazarKnightif you do a video on the dark knight you must have to cover the arg in the lead up to the film. UA-camr inside a mind did a whole video on it. That video might be useful.
I’ve seen this movie countless times but never noticed the significance of Bruce Wayne covering up the well until this video. Another excellent video Salazar! Have a happy new year!
I wish Scarecrow had been the villain, he was so interesting and Cillian Murphy did a fantastic job, but still a cool movie. Hopefully Matt Reeves makes Scarecrow the main villain of a movie
Another good video! I hear many critics say that Batman isn't an interesting character, only his villains are. That never felt right to me, and I think you pointed out many of the reasons the movie versions of Batman feel so flat as characters. He feels puppeted into his position as a superhero rather than a three-dimensional character built from the ground up. It's like they were scared to do the work needed to make the audience understand Batman, and instead made him so enigmatic they hoped you wouldn't notice how one dimensional he is. As they say a hero is only as interesting as his adversary, and so to is the opposite true. For instance Joker seemed to be rebelling against an ideology (about the good of common man) that wasn't really believed by anyone anyway. In some ways it seems like Christopher Nolan is great at the advanced parts of cinema, but weak at the most basic aspects. Like if you take apart the plot and characters there is not much there. I
Never will I forget my very first time watching this film with my mother and my older sister, in my final Elementary school year. It was something special. 19 years later, I still treasure BATMAN BEGINS as the very first movie about my favorite superhero I was able to watch in theaters. Everything that's hooked me to be a lifelong fan of the weird figure of the dark is here, except: 1. The sequel is objectively superior to this film (and RISES, as well, which was a mediocre conclusion to the whole trilogy). 2. Batman does things that are just out of character, like letting his enemies die. By that point, people already didn't know Batman wasn't a vicious killer anymore like in his first 11 months. 3. The fighting scenes, not just in this film, but in the sequels, are painfully basic, all because of the ridiculous idea of making it all as realistic as possible without embracing its comic book roots. The editing suffers a lot because of that. 4. Sorry, Cillian Murphy, but your Scarecrow was severely underwritten for me to take you seriously. 5. Katie Holmes is, rightfully, the worst actress of the entire movie. Her quotes and personality are fine, but her acting is not, plus, she lacked chemistry with Christian Bale. 6. Going back to the third point, these movies have given casual moviegoers a very exaggerated and erroneous idea about Batman and his lore. Just because Batman has no powers, doesn't mean he's the most realistic superhero ever, nor is he relatable at all. I'd love giving people all the reasons why Batman is far from what they think he actually is, but I would never end. And yet, despite all of this, I'll take this trilogy over what Matt Reeves is doing with Batman, who is just restricting himself to repeating the same realism nonsense that doomed superhero movies in the last decade.
Honestly I like the brown color of Gotham next to heavy shadows and bright white lights. Reminds me of the visuals of alien 3 or more appropriately the animated series about Batman from the 90's.
Thank you for understanding that Batman would've saved Ra's. It's literally a core component of his character to be compelled to save every life possible, and he should've grabbed him, grappled out and brought him to Gordon, that easy! Then the next film he literally KILLS Two Face. You have an amazing understanding of Batman's character and it makes me so happy for someone else to appreciate him as much as I do. Your videos are always top notch!
Salazar, i have a few questions 1. What is your favorite superman comic? 2. What's your favorite character that isn't batman or related to batman at all? 3. What is your favorite batman villain? 4. Can you make a video about your 10 favorite batman comics? 5. WHY HAVEN'T YOU TALKED ABOUT BATMAN DARK TOMORROW????
Thanks for writing Darth! 1. Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? 2. Probably Goku. Or Vegeta. 3. The Ventriloquist. But mostly in the 80s/90s. 4. Those videos never work on YT anymore. Sorry. 5. Because I've never played it. I even had to look it up to know what it was. Again, sorry to disappoint.
I wondered had Vicki Vale been reintroduced in Batman Begins and it's sequels how would she play a role in it, would she be a Photojournalist/Reporter and Love Interest for Bruce Wayne like in the 89 movie for the rest of trilogy and would Gilda Gold/Dent replace Rachel Dawes as a Childhood Friend (not a love interest like Vale ofcourse) of Bruce Wayne on two films and on a specific death scene at the warehouse in which Bruce failed to save her as he wrongfully chose Harvey Dent over what he intended like how can Vicki Vale's character work in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Universe though?
Then Matt Reeves the Batman Universe Represent the DCAU Batman Universe, because like Batman the Animated Series it takes Inspiration from the Past Media taking the Best and Throwing the Trash and creating the there own Version of it.
Honestly in 2005 expectations were very low for superhero live action movies. I was shocked at how "decent" the X-Men films in the late 90s were and considered it a fluke. Blade didn't count, that was horror. I was just hoping Batman Begins wouldn't be cringe. I had my issues, but couldn't complain because I thought this would be as good as it gets. This was 3 years before Iron Man and the MCU would change the face of superhero films.
I've watched your video twice. It's very, very good full of detail. At first I thought you were nit picking but I really started to see your point. I really loved how you pointed how this version of Batman doesn't have purpose. At the same time, it is, I think a relatable aspect of this version especially with how some men today feel they don't have a purpose. I really loved the comparison to The Phantasm I hadn't caught that before. I wish you had compared the voice Batman uses in the film vs the video game. I never played it as a kid but I saw one or two clips and it makes me wish Bale at chosen that voice instead of what is in all 3 films. The only time I like his voice is after was lit on fire. It made sense because well, he was just lit on fire. I agree a 1000% as well when you talk about the fight scenes. They are complete dog shit. I like the two fights in Rises with both Batman and Bane in them but other than that those fights are not ever goanna make a list of great fight scenes. The ending where Batman kills Ras does take you out of the film and does defeat the purpose of Batman throwing the gun in the lake and not killing the guy in The League of Shadows Temple. I feel that was WB call though. They did the same in Batman Forever. The themes are great didn't feel it's heavy-handed ness as is the cinematography. Those two I disagree with you on as well as the chase scene with the Batmoblie. I don't feel it is the same as Batman 89 at all. I hope when you are done doing the next two in The Dark knight Trilogy that you do the Burton/ Schumacker films as well. For me Batman 89 is poorly aged and Batman Returns is a mess. Batman & Robin could have been a good film if there was more time in the production as a whole and if it was set in an alternate universe. Batman Forever I feel is a flawed Masterpiece. If and when you do Batman Forever check out Hi-Top Films take on Batman Forever. It made me really examine the film for being more than nipples on neon.
Gotta agree that the lack or sometimes invasion of contradictory elements of the character and Gotham that this movies has does make it fall short after these years. I remember when it came out that it wasn't nothing too special. Only dark knight made the franchise pop. Many problems are that Nolan isn't a comics book enjoyer at all, so while he isn't dogmatic in "only taking it from the scriptures" he also seems to really dislike comics. And yeah, the growl is super stupid. I also never feel like Batman evolves besides fighting better in these movies. They are carried by the support cast and villains.
Flaws and all, but I do love this movie, even more than its most famous sequel(s). As a child growing up in the 2000s, superhero cinema was pretty much just Sam Raimi's Spider-Man and the Fox-Men movies. But BB felt to 12-year-old me like the only who achieved the same level of quality and "coolness" of the Spiderman movies. Plus, it felt more mature and grounded but still somewhat kid friendly and fun. In comparison, I think kids under 13 would find The Dark Knight more confusing and dull than scary. Is TDK the better film? Sure. But Begins remains my favorite Bat-movie because it simply was a better mix of gritty realism, 2000s angst and cool action for kids - in other words, fun for all ages! The Dark Knight Rises is the only one in Nolan's trilogy that I dislike. But the other two were the Bat-films I grew up with so, warts and all, I still love them.
Hated the ending of this movie "I'm not gonna kill you but I don't have to save you" that's some golden age stuff, the modern bat would never let someone die (except the rare times he did "looking at you son of the demon")
In the 89 bat it doesn't annoy me because he was unapologetic about it he didn't have the no kill rule but in this one he does so it comes off hypocritical
I have a lot of nostalgia for begins, it and The Batman 2004 were what made me the fan I am today. But the batman purist in me rn can’t help but nitpick in terms of characterization in the DK trilogy, for Bruce especially. Nolan was obviously a little embarrassed of the source material and I still can’t forgive him for what he did to scarecrow.
Another delightful video. As much as I used to put the Nolan movies on a pedestal, I've realized that they are far from perfect and he could do so much better with being subtle with the themes. Mostly with how he'll have subtext as spoken dialogue about the characters rather than things that fans and comic writers would talk about as the meaning of characters
@@SalazarKnight Well, those two are really important Dick Grayson as Robin and Barbara as Batgirl stories..you can do them in one video, ofc..i think if you are covering all ajor parts of Btaman comics history, it only makes sence to cover those two..
Excellent video and take on the first installment of the Nolanverse!! One of the major reasons why Nolan-s Batman begins was so highly regarded, to the point where the fans ignored the flaws it has, was in part due to how low the bar was thanks to Schumacher's previous installments.
While Batman Begins is my favourite of the Dark Knight Trilogy, I'm not a fan of Christopher Nolan's work, nor am I a fan of the trilogy as a whole. As for your video, I honestly think it lacks any sort of context for why Batman Begins was made the way it was, beyond "Batman & Robin sucked, so Warner Bros. wanted something different". It also lacks any sort of historical context as to where superhero/comic book based movies were in 2005 when Batman Begins came out, where the comics were at the time, and how people in general felt and thought about Batman in the 2000s. Overall, this video just doesn't fit into your overall history of Batman thing you've got going on here. It just talks about Batman Begins, which people have done to death since UA-cam started.
I'm gonna be real after Batman begins this trilogy always completely fumbled the visuals. Bale's batsuit and the designs for Jonkler and Twoface are great but everything else just doesnt work. Gotham is too clean and happy, The villain designs are all pathetically UNDERdesigned and simplistic to the point of losing all intimidation factor, the fight choreography is terrible, and in the dark knight rises all of the small atmosphere that Gotham still sorta had in TDK was completely stripped away for a movie that looks like its taking place in the middle of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade 24/7 LOL. People can rightfully shit on Batman forever and Batman and Robin all they want, but at least those movies had a good stylistic aesthetic and weren't afraid to give some scenes a theatrical stage-like atmosphere that all good Batman stories benefit from IMO.
Yeah i don't like the fight choreography and editing. It's just choppy, i get why it happened in batman begins, but not in TDK and TDKR, TDKR is abysmal in almost all the aspects.
@@thegreatTBA FR, i dont get why ppl call it a good conclusion to the trilogy cause the only thing it does well imo is Bane's character. Even saying THAT though is a stretch considering how garbage the third act twist is and how it kinda ruins his character.
The theory i have heard is that batman doesn't have a "a no kill" in the nolan movies, but rather a "no executions" rule. I'm not saying it totally works (it still doesn't for me personally) , but it makes the "i don't have to save you" pill a little easier to swallow. I have always been disappointed that nolan didn't continue so much of the stuff that worked in the first movie. The Narrows is one of my all-time-favourite set pieces in any batman movie and not only do we never see the narrows again, but I think the fallout from the fear gas attack and subsequent train derailment would have been really cool to explore. But nope! nothing, except like a tiny mention in some online promotional material i read once. And why do the fight scenes suck so bad? The nolan movies have always been a mixed bag. Hot take: i think the dark knight is the WORST of the trilogy. When Ledger isn't on screen its just dull and lame. Salazar is the most underrated batman channel on youtube. Why's erbuddy sleepin on this guy? Serious GOAT status. Thank you.
Oh I hate these movies Dark Knight movies they're not just meh like they were passable in the time of the Bat-drought BUT caused the "ground" self hate the Batman franchise has had since. Just look at Todd Phillips with his Joker movies, The Penguin show runner saying he prefers the show to be seen as a crime drama separate from the Batman franchise and bragging about how they took care to remove things that were too comicbooky, Matt Reeves denouncing the out there of the Batman universe, an interview saying while he knows that Mr Freeze and Clayflace he is challenged by trying to figure how to ground them. Even stating if Clayface is to be done in Cinema should be done in the golden age version where he's just a regular man who is a master of disguise. Parallels what happened to Batman post Frank Miller.
Don’t get me wrong I like the dark knight trilogy but I see where you’re coming from on that I wish we would get a more fantastical Batman instead of the same thing that we’ve been getting for 15 years people think that if they do a more fantastical Batman it’s gonna be goofy as Batman and Robin but that’s not what fantastical means what it means is strange and wonderful, like something out of a story that’s what I would like to see accuracy to the comics but these directors don’t have any kind of respect for the source material or the character that they’re basing their movies off of The animated series was the only one that got it right when it came to Batman and was very accurate to the comics Matt reeves Zack Snyder including James Gunn none of them have a clear understanding of this character like they want us to believe they do.
Batman being is literally the best of the trilogy. People blow smoke up dark knight because the hype culture around it. "Realism", the passing of a certain actor, etc But if you actually start breaking it down it falls apart especially after you hold it up to standards of realism. Not to mention the sacrifice of core batman
I hate to say it but this a really, really terrible film. Even Batman and Robin was better. It’s such a literal minded, didactic idea of Batman’s character and origin. It’s just a drama-free series of boxes being ticked and it looks like it premiered on the WB. Batman is properly depicted as a big Victorian, over the top melodrama. I couldn’t care less what pathos led to the shoelaces he picked for his boots. Nolan is a functionary, - a sort of movie manager, masquerading as a a director.
The point of the film was from the beginning to show how and why batman came to be. The film not only succeeded in ticking all the boxes but also succeeded at telling a great story about heroism and it also makes batman likeable. Everything feels natural and organic and not forced. The fact that you were expecting something else isn't an argument nor are the nitpickings of the creator
@ it’s not that I was expecting “something else” I was expecting it not to suck. The film fails on every level to tell a compelling origin story it isn’t entertaining. Everything is forced. Batman is not likable he is dry and uninteresting. The screenplay doesnt understand the character. And they are nitpickings they are the REASON the movie sucks. The low standards you share with the hacks who made the film shouldn’t be inflicted on the rest of us.
@@ricotubbs5229 alright. Now try replying with arguments this time and not just negating what i said. The movie is great. It makes batman making sense more than year one i dare to say. He is likeable because he is relatable and because he is a good man. Nothing in his journey feels forced, i already explained how this movie sells it better how a man would become batman than year one. Complaining about the fight scenes for example isn't an argument. Why would we care about them? It is obvious that nolan didn't want to focus on them. It's just his artistic choice and expecting typical superhero fight scenes is... well a personal expectation.
Hey there! I don't normally do this, but this video is struggling really hard. It's quite literally the worst performing video of the last couple of years. And I just want to understand why is this happening. So it would mean the world to me if you give me your honest thoughts and criticism about this video. Be brutally honest. I can take it.
Thank you in advance.
it's youtube algorithm brother it happens man and seriously your very underrated and i hope you get a boost in 2025. even alex lennon also said your criminally underrated and because of you he is able to make the entire history of batman video. so it's youtube algorithm that stopping the reach.
A very small percentage of people read comics, because people don't read much at all. An even smaller percentage of them read "old" comics. That's why comic book videos attracts many, it's curiosity (and also because they will not read it themselves). Films on the other hand are the most mainstream media available at the moment, and a lot people have either watched or have an opinion about every movie, even imposed by other film reviewing yt channels.
Thumbnail could be a problem here, because it doesn't hint that the video will be about comics too (yea it's stupid YT thing)
A pinch of slat to put the taste of my feedback into context: I do not read comics / graphic novels or whatever else the audience needs to call them now. I am a fan of the Bat-Man character but not a cultist. Superman would win in a fight between them. Now my thoughts (since you asked). Perhaps this video is not performing well because most of the audience has fallen insanely in love with the Nolan trilogy. Personally I saw them at the dollar cinema and thought I over-paid. Bale bores me to tears and Nolan... well people like him. People also claim to like rap music so... I'm waxing long here to deliver a simple response. Your content was 99% right on the money. If that was your aim, congratulations. If your aim was to make this video popular... then you need to say something that Bat-Nolan cultists want to hear. Just my humble thoughts. Personally I hope you keep making this exact kind of piece because I like to hear your opinion. Even when it's wrong. (OH, and BRAVO to your bravery for asking for honest feedback. That is impressive.)
The old title led me to believe this was mainly about batman begins, so i put it on my watch later playlist. I am more invested in your analysis of the comics and bringing that together
I agree with @jackfromshack this is a great video, and I can't wait to see your follow up about the Dark Knight. I would include a comic panel in the thumbnail and make it clear you are comparing the movie to the comics, because that's what sets this video apart from so many other Batman movie reviews
dude this guy is criminally underrated
One of the best batman youtoubers. Inspired me to read all detective comics and batman .
@@VincenzoMGREX yep same here when i want to watch something about batman. this youtube channel is a library of BATMAN and i just hope he get's a boost where other awesome youtubers like alex lennon who mentioned him in his entire history of batman video and he also considers him as a criminally underrated but still alex got views where salazar knight didn't get that much support. maybe it's youtube algorithm.
which is why i hope he get's a boost in 2025
Same. More people should read about Batman
@@frightening_volleyball1231 yeah but most people should engage some interaction like subscribing which i did
@@haarisajmeri9811 correct
Batman Begins is my favorite out of the DK trilogy. Unlike The Dark Knight or the 1989 movie, Batman Begins focuses on the psychy on Bruce Wayne, showing his transition into becoming Batman. Plus, unlike The Dark Knigh and The Dark Knight Rises, it's a good balance of gritty realism and comic book escapism.
The other two films are great but they are about the city and Batman is one small part of them.
yeah I think it's my favorite for that reason as well. I love exploring Bruce's character.
This film is what Batman Forever what supposed to be.
I like how gritty Gotham looks in this film with the Brown and Gold color scheme, they should of kept that in The Dark Knight and Rises cause it makes them feel somewhat disconnected from Begins.
Honestly in 2005 expectations were very low for superhero live action movies. I was shocked at how "decent" the X-Men films in the early 2000s were and considered it a fluke. Blade didn't count, that was horror. I was just hoping Batman Begins wouldn't be cringe. I had my issues, but couldn't complain because I thought this would be as good as it gets. This was 3 years before Iron Man and the MCU would change the face of superhero films.
I know the rage that drives you. That impossible anger strangling the grief until the memory of your loved one is just poison in your veins.
I think you got the ending wrong... Batman says to Gordon that he would try to stop Ra's by himself. Gordon destroying the rails was a backup solution in the case Batman failed.
The important thing to notice is that Ra's is killed by Gordon, not Batman. Since Gordon is a cop, he has the right and the duty to kill a terrorist if that means saving innocent people. Batman knows this and doesn't interfere.
Some people say that Batman should have tried to save Ra's life, but the thing is that he did try. He got on the train and tried to stop it before it was too late, but in the end it was all for nothing, as Ra's destroys the controls to prevent the train from stopping. He brought that upon himself.
That’s true, everyone forgets Ra’s was about to commit suicide
“Accidentally on purpose” - Salazar Knight’s end to 2024😂
Can’t agree about the Wayne’s death. I thought that’s one of the times the shaky cam actually works. It captures how Bruce would over processing such a traumatic experience. And the switch from the city to the scummy alley is his introduction to how scary the real world really is.
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“Bragging”? Maybe they just like opera.
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Agree and disagree. The studio was right from the point of fan service. Fans would be expecting the Batmobile. Artistically though it kinda messes with the films pacing.
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I disagree. I think it works perfectly fine as a stand alone movie.
Took the words right out of my mouth
The Batmobile scenes are fine but it feels like they were added only to add more action to the film since Nolan wasn't really great at normal action scenes compared to dialogue heavy scenes(The Bank robbery scene being one of the exceptions), especially the Joker chase scene with the Bike in the Dark Knight.
that scene where Batman is beating up guys at the harbor is shot that way because you're seeing it from Falcone's point of view, where he can't really make out what's going on
"They told me there was nothing out there, nothing to fear. But the night my parents were murdered I caught a glimpse of something. I've looked for it ever since. I went around the world, searched in all the shadows. And there is something out there in the darkness, something terrifying, something that will not stop until it gets revenge... Me."
I still get chills every time I recall seeing that teaser trailer years ago.
You’re one of the best Batman channels here on UA-cam you do your researching and you know what you’re talking about Your channel is why I’m starting my own Batman channel from one Batman fan to another keep up the great work!!!!!!
I really can't wait to see your videos and I wish you all the best in your project!
@ Most definitely My first video is currently in the works right now I have uploaded a introduction trailer to the channel thank you so much for your support!
@@Batmanfan93-t2n i'll check it out
One of the best comics channel on YT. Thank You!
*the best
I still have the videogame for this film. Man, it was a fun time. Pre-Arkham with how you handle baddies and some of the scenarios too.
Me too it's a good game even today
Suprisingly good licensed game
About to comment this. I played the PS2 game many times.
I'm probably in the minority here but my big problem with the Nolan films is that they don't pick a lane. They talk a big game about being a more grounded take on the batman mythos but they still have impossible gadgets and city destroying superweapons. But then they won't commit to having fantastical elements like Venom or the Lazarus pit. Either do a more grounded movie about what batman would be like in the real world or do one that's more like the comics.
Ras Al Ghul didn’t seem to care whether or not he died. Batman actually attempted to stop the train with the controls but Ras stops him by destroying it. Destroying the tracks was like a last resort.
Im not a huge fan of this film but I love how Nolan was the only one to keep Batman cape always upfront as curtains and also love how the cape was used to glide as well. Something that Matt Reeves Batman would emulate as well.
Finally, my major expose to this film was trough the videogame for PS2/Gamecube. I was fond of the interrogation sequences and how you were supposed to scare your enemies first instead of recklessly attack them unlike in Arkham Games.
Believe me, I tried my hardest to be generous with the movie in this video. I'm just glad you still watch my stuff after all this time, even when you don't like the movie. So thank you for that!
Honestly in 2005 expectations were very low for superhero live action movies. I was shocked at how "decent" the X-Men films in the early 2000s were and considered it a fluke. Blade didn't count, that was horror. I was just hoping Batman Begins wouldn't be cringe. I had my issues, but couldn't complain because I thought this would be as good as it gets. This was 3 years before Iron Man and the MCU would change the face of superhero films.
Batman Begins is one of the best comic book movies and will always hold up.
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I have to go to work right now but I will leave a comment with my thoughts and responses after I watch this later!! Can’t wait; now I have something to look forward to after my shift at work!
Thank you! Your comments really make my day a lot brighter :) And good luck on your shift!
@@SalazarKnightif you do a video on the dark knight you must have to cover the arg in the lead up to the film. UA-camr inside a mind did a whole video on it. That video might be useful.
I’d love to hear more about the comics of that time
Great video btw
Salazar, your passion once again just shines for us bat fans, you sir are a legend for your work.
Still haven’t seen a better car chase outside of the 70s
1:20 this blew my mind holy shit
I’ve seen this movie countless times but never noticed the significance of Bruce Wayne covering up the well until this video. Another excellent video Salazar! Have a happy new year!
I would pay so much to see this in theaters again
I wish Scarecrow had been the villain, he was so interesting and Cillian Murphy did a fantastic job, but still a cool movie. Hopefully Matt Reeves makes Scarecrow the main villain of a movie
Imo
Burton movies - golden age
schumacher movies - silver age
nolan movies - bronze age
bvs - new earth modern age
tb - prime earth modern age
Amazing - thank you for doing such a great job. The examination we needed and deserved.
I still love Batman Begins out of all live action Batman movies but your points are very valid. Never noticed these obvious flaws
I really enjoyed your observation of the Batman films following similar paths as the Golden Age Comics to the Bronze Age.
You can always tell that a lot of research goes into your work. Major props!
Liam Nesson was Ra's Al Ghoul in Batman Begins. Not the other guy.
This is the best batman channel
Thank you for that.
Another good video!
I hear many critics say that Batman isn't an interesting character, only his villains are. That never felt right to me, and I think you pointed out many of the reasons the movie versions of Batman feel so flat as characters. He feels puppeted into his position as a superhero rather than a three-dimensional character built from the ground up. It's like they were scared to do the work needed to make the audience understand Batman, and instead made him so enigmatic they hoped you wouldn't notice how one dimensional he is.
As they say a hero is only as interesting as his adversary, and so to is the opposite true. For instance Joker seemed to be rebelling against an ideology (about the good of common man) that wasn't really believed by anyone anyway.
In some ways it seems like Christopher Nolan is great at the advanced parts of cinema, but weak at the most basic aspects. Like if you take apart the plot and characters there is not much there. I
Never will I forget my very first time watching this film with my mother and my older sister, in my final Elementary school year. It was something special. 19 years later, I still treasure BATMAN BEGINS as the very first movie about my favorite superhero I was able to watch in theaters. Everything that's hooked me to be a lifelong fan of the weird figure of the dark is here, except:
1. The sequel is objectively superior to this film (and RISES, as well, which was a mediocre conclusion to the whole trilogy).
2. Batman does things that are just out of character, like letting his enemies die. By that point, people already didn't know Batman wasn't a vicious killer anymore like in his first 11 months.
3. The fighting scenes, not just in this film, but in the sequels, are painfully basic, all because of the ridiculous idea of making it all as realistic as possible without embracing its comic book roots. The editing suffers a lot because of that.
4. Sorry, Cillian Murphy, but your Scarecrow was severely underwritten for me to take you seriously.
5. Katie Holmes is, rightfully, the worst actress of the entire movie. Her quotes and personality are fine, but her acting is not, plus, she lacked chemistry with Christian Bale.
6. Going back to the third point, these movies have given casual moviegoers a very exaggerated and erroneous idea about Batman and his lore. Just because Batman has no powers, doesn't mean he's the most realistic superhero ever, nor is he relatable at all. I'd love giving people all the reasons why Batman is far from what they think he actually is, but I would never end.
And yet, despite all of this, I'll take this trilogy over what Matt Reeves is doing with Batman, who is just restricting himself to repeating the same realism nonsense that doomed superhero movies in the last decade.
Best UA-cam channel out there! Can’t get enough of Batman and my bud 😂
Honestly I like the brown color of Gotham next to heavy shadows and bright white lights. Reminds me of the visuals of alien 3 or more appropriately the animated series about Batman from the 90's.
I wish Nolan would have done more with the Narrows and Arkham
Thank you for understanding that Batman would've saved Ra's. It's literally a core component of his character to be compelled to save every life possible, and he should've grabbed him, grappled out and brought him to Gordon, that easy! Then the next film he literally KILLS Two Face. You have an amazing understanding of Batman's character and it makes me so happy for someone else to appreciate him as much as I do. Your videos are always top notch!
Salazar, i have a few questions
1. What is your favorite superman comic?
2. What's your favorite character that isn't batman or related to batman at all?
3. What is your favorite batman villain?
4. Can you make a video about your 10 favorite batman comics?
5. WHY HAVEN'T YOU TALKED ABOUT BATMAN DARK TOMORROW????
Thanks for writing Darth!
1. Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
2. Probably Goku. Or Vegeta.
3. The Ventriloquist. But mostly in the 80s/90s.
4. Those videos never work on YT anymore. Sorry.
5. Because I've never played it. I even had to look it up to know what it was. Again, sorry to disappoint.
@@SalazarKnight i mostly wanted your opinion of it because it's one of the qorst comic book video games EVER.
thanks !!!! i love your videos
I wondered had Vicki Vale been reintroduced in Batman Begins and it's sequels how would she play a role in it, would she be a Photojournalist/Reporter and Love Interest for Bruce Wayne like in the 89 movie for the rest of trilogy and would Gilda Gold/Dent replace Rachel Dawes as a Childhood Friend (not a love interest like Vale ofcourse) of Bruce Wayne on two films and on a specific death scene at the warehouse in which Bruce failed to save her as he wrongfully chose Harvey Dent over what he intended like how can Vicki Vale's character work in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Universe though?
I completely disagree that the Dark Knight, a thoroughly mediocre movie, surpassed Batman Begins in any way.
AND SO IT BEGINS.
THE SALAZAR KNIGHT TRILOGY.
A WATCHFUL VIEWER.
A DARK HISTORIAN.
Batman Begins also gave us one of the best animated movies in DC History that gave us the best comeback in Batman Gotham Knight
Watching the opening with the theory of Batman films, I'm like, "Wait, John Jackson Miller just preached this gospel to me!"
Then Matt Reeves the Batman Universe Represent the DCAU Batman Universe, because like Batman the Animated Series it takes Inspiration from the Past Media taking the Best and Throwing the Trash and creating the there own Version of it.
Oh shit, my man Salazar just dropped a new one
It was indeed a great movie!
The wasted potential of the scarecrow
Honestly in 2005 expectations were very low for superhero live action movies. I was shocked at how "decent" the X-Men films in the late 90s were and considered it a fluke. Blade didn't count, that was horror. I was just hoping Batman Begins wouldn't be cringe. I had my issues, but couldn't complain because I thought this would be as good as it gets. This was 3 years before Iron Man and the MCU would change the face of superhero films.
I've watched your video twice. It's very, very good full of detail. At first I thought you were nit picking but I really started to see your point. I really loved how you pointed how this version of Batman doesn't have purpose. At the same time, it is, I think a relatable aspect of this version especially with how some men today feel they don't have a purpose. I really loved the comparison to The Phantasm I hadn't caught that before. I wish you had compared the voice Batman uses in the film vs the video game. I never played it as a kid but I saw one or two clips and it makes me wish Bale at chosen that voice instead of what is in all 3 films. The only time I like his voice is after was lit on fire. It made sense because well, he was just lit on fire. I agree a 1000% as well when you talk about the fight scenes. They are complete dog shit. I like the two fights in Rises with both Batman and Bane in them but other than that those fights are not ever goanna make a list of great fight scenes. The ending where Batman kills Ras does take you out of the film and does defeat the purpose of Batman throwing the gun in the lake and not killing the guy in The League of Shadows Temple. I feel that was WB call though. They did the same in Batman Forever. The themes are great didn't feel it's heavy-handed ness as is the cinematography. Those two I disagree with you on as well as the chase scene with the Batmoblie. I don't feel it is the same as Batman 89 at all. I hope when you are done doing the next two in The Dark knight Trilogy that you do the Burton/ Schumacker films as well. For me Batman 89 is poorly aged and Batman Returns is a mess. Batman & Robin could have been a good film if there was more time in the production as a whole and if it was set in an alternate universe. Batman Forever I feel is a flawed Masterpiece. If and when you do Batman Forever check out Hi-Top Films take on Batman Forever. It made me really examine the film for being more than nipples on neon.
Minority here. I like Batman Begins fall more than The Dark Knight. I stopped watching Batman films after TDK.
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Your the man👍👍👍
i always thought the same about this scene
you say adam west ruined the reputation of batman but at the same time hes the reason anyone knows of batman
Subbed ❤ great video
Gotta agree that the lack or sometimes invasion of contradictory elements of the character and Gotham that this movies has does make it fall short after these years.
I remember when it came out that it wasn't nothing too special. Only dark knight made the franchise pop.
Many problems are that Nolan isn't a comics book enjoyer at all, so while he isn't dogmatic in "only taking it from the scriptures" he also seems to really dislike comics. And yeah, the growl is super stupid.
I also never feel like Batman evolves besides fighting better in these movies. They are carried by the support cast and villains.
13:51 Me too, bro.
Why do you flip flop between "Raaz" and "Raysh"? Real Bat Fans know its the latter...
Cooked!
This movie has no flaws in the context of 2005!
Flaws and all, but I do love this movie, even more than its most famous sequel(s). As a child growing up in the 2000s, superhero cinema was pretty much just Sam Raimi's Spider-Man and the Fox-Men movies. But BB felt to 12-year-old me like the only who achieved the same level of quality and "coolness" of the Spiderman movies. Plus, it felt more mature and grounded but still somewhat kid friendly and fun. In comparison, I think kids under 13 would find The Dark Knight more confusing and dull than scary.
Is TDK the better film? Sure. But Begins remains my favorite Bat-movie because it simply was a better mix of gritty realism, 2000s angst and cool action for kids - in other words, fun for all ages!
The Dark Knight Rises is the only one in Nolan's trilogy that I dislike. But the other two were the Bat-films I grew up with so, warts and all, I still love them.
Batman prey is the best batman book
Hated the ending of this movie "I'm not gonna kill you but I don't have to save you" that's some golden age stuff, the modern bat would never let someone die (except the rare times he did "looking at you son of the demon")
In the 89 bat it doesn't annoy me because he was unapologetic about it he didn't have the no kill rule but in this one he does so it comes off hypocritical
@@TherealDCAvengerRa’s commited suicide tho
No he didn't batman and gordon killed him but regardless batman let him die @@spoodurmin9742
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I have a lot of nostalgia for begins, it and The Batman 2004 were what made me the fan I am today.
But the batman purist in me rn can’t help but nitpick in terms of characterization in the DK trilogy, for Bruce especially.
Nolan was obviously a little embarrassed of the source material and I still can’t forgive him for what he did to scarecrow.
Oh yeah i agree absolutely with Scarecrow, he should have been a main villain in this Trilogy.
Will you talk about Batman Gotham Knight before into The Dark Knight?
My only mean issue about this Batman he fights You fights with his elbows 🤣
What is also missing is Bruce's training to become a formidable investigator. I always disliked that part as well.
Another delightful video. As much as I used to put the Nolan movies on a pedestal, I've realized that they are far from perfect and he could do so much better with being subtle with the themes. Mostly with how he'll have subtext as spoken dialogue about the characters rather than things that fans and comic writers would talk about as the meaning of characters
Will you do videos on Robin Year One and Batgirl Year one?
Separately? Not likely. Maybe as part of a bigger topic/concept. But we'll see what happens.
@@SalazarKnight Well, those two are really important Dick Grayson as Robin and Barbara as Batgirl stories..you can do them in one video, ofc..i think if you are covering all ajor parts of Btaman comics history, it only makes sence to cover those two..
Excellent video and take on the first installment of the Nolanverse!! One of the major reasons why Nolan-s Batman begins was so highly regarded, to the point where the fans ignored the flaws it has, was in part due to how low the bar was thanks to Schumacher's previous installments.
Shit man, love the channel, love the videos but can't agree with this one. I just love this movie.
It seems I dropped the ball really hard with this one. Oh well, can't win them all.
@@SalazarKnight Yeah lol but I love you man
The "Batman voice" in this movie is simply awful. I cannot believe it made it into the final version. It ruins the whole thing for me.
While Batman Begins is my favourite of the Dark Knight Trilogy, I'm not a fan of Christopher Nolan's work, nor am I a fan of the trilogy as a whole. As for your video, I honestly think it lacks any sort of context for why Batman Begins was made the way it was, beyond "Batman & Robin sucked, so Warner Bros. wanted something different". It also lacks any sort of historical context as to where superhero/comic book based movies were in 2005 when Batman Begins came out, where the comics were at the time, and how people in general felt and thought about Batman in the 2000s. Overall, this video just doesn't fit into your overall history of Batman thing you've got going on here. It just talks about Batman Begins, which people have done to death since UA-cam started.
There are bad takes throughout the whole video, damn
The small mouth area of the mask has always really bothered me 🙃
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Unfortunately I've always thought that the fight choreography and camera work was absolutely atrocious in this trilogy.
I'm gonna be real after Batman begins this trilogy always completely fumbled the visuals. Bale's batsuit and the designs for Jonkler and Twoface are great but everything else just doesnt work. Gotham is too clean and happy, The villain designs are all pathetically UNDERdesigned and simplistic to the point of losing all intimidation factor, the fight choreography is terrible, and in the dark knight rises all of the small atmosphere that Gotham still sorta had in TDK was completely stripped away for a movie that looks like its taking place in the middle of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade 24/7 LOL. People can rightfully shit on Batman forever and Batman and Robin all they want, but at least those movies had a good stylistic aesthetic and weren't afraid to give some scenes a theatrical stage-like atmosphere that all good Batman stories benefit from IMO.
Yeah i don't like the fight choreography and editing. It's just choppy, i get why it happened in batman begins, but not in TDK and TDKR, TDKR is abysmal in almost all the aspects.
@@thegreatTBA FR, i dont get why ppl call it a good conclusion to the trilogy cause the only thing it does well imo is Bane's character. Even saying THAT though is a stretch considering how garbage the third act twist is and how it kinda ruins his character.
Not just you AT ALL.
Lamest take on batman begins
The theory i have heard is that batman doesn't have a "a no kill" in the nolan movies, but rather a "no executions" rule. I'm not saying it totally works (it still doesn't for me personally) , but it makes the "i don't have to save you" pill a little easier to swallow.
I have always been disappointed that nolan didn't continue so much of the stuff that worked in the first movie. The Narrows is one of my all-time-favourite set pieces in any batman movie and not only do we never see the narrows again, but I think the fallout from the fear gas attack and subsequent train derailment would have been really cool to explore. But nope! nothing, except like a tiny mention in some online promotional material i read once. And why do the fight scenes suck so bad?
The nolan movies have always been a mixed bag. Hot take: i think the dark knight is the WORST of the trilogy. When Ledger isn't on screen its just dull and lame.
Salazar is the most underrated batman channel on youtube. Why's erbuddy sleepin on this guy? Serious GOAT status. Thank you.
I agree with you 100% dark knight is the most overrated superhero movie of all time.Begins is far superior
Oh I hate these movies Dark Knight movies they're not just meh like they were passable in the time of the Bat-drought BUT caused the "ground" self hate the Batman franchise has had since. Just look at Todd Phillips with his Joker movies, The Penguin show runner saying he prefers the show to be seen as a crime drama separate from the Batman franchise and bragging about how they took care to remove things that were too comicbooky, Matt Reeves denouncing the out there of the Batman universe, an interview saying while he knows that Mr Freeze and Clayflace he is challenged by trying to figure how to ground them. Even stating if Clayface is to be done in Cinema should be done in the golden age version where he's just a regular man who is a master of disguise. Parallels what happened to Batman post Frank Miller.
Don’t get me wrong I like the dark knight trilogy but I see where you’re coming from on that I wish we would get a more fantastical Batman instead of the same thing that we’ve been getting for 15 years people think that if they do a more fantastical Batman it’s gonna be goofy as Batman and Robin but that’s not what fantastical means what it means is strange and wonderful, like something out of a story that’s what I would like to see accuracy to the comics but these directors don’t have any kind of respect for the source material or the character that they’re basing their movies off of The animated series was the only one that got it right when it came to Batman and was very accurate to the comics Matt reeves Zack Snyder including James Gunn none of them have a clear understanding of this character like they want us to believe they do.
Batman being is literally the best of the trilogy. People blow smoke up dark knight because the hype culture around it. "Realism", the passing of a certain actor, etc
But if you actually start breaking it down it falls apart especially after you hold it up to standards of realism. Not to mention the sacrifice of core batman
Perhaps, but Begins voice was tolerable until the two movies came out.
My only complaint was combining Raj Al ghul and Henry ducards characters into one but all WB Batman movies do that. Never understood it
Did Batman know Ra’s was going to be on the train? Because I still don’t believe Bale’s Batman kills.
Well maybe Talia.
I hate to say it but this a really, really terrible film. Even Batman and Robin was better. It’s such a literal minded, didactic idea of Batman’s character and origin. It’s just a drama-free series of boxes being ticked and it looks like it premiered on the WB. Batman is properly depicted as a big Victorian, over the top melodrama. I couldn’t care less what pathos led to the shoelaces he picked for his boots. Nolan is a functionary, - a sort of movie manager, masquerading as a a director.
The point of the film was from the beginning to show how and why batman came to be. The film not only succeeded in ticking all the boxes but also succeeded at telling a great story about heroism and it also makes batman likeable. Everything feels natural and organic and not forced. The fact that you were expecting something else isn't an argument nor are the nitpickings of the creator
@ it’s not that I was expecting “something else” I was expecting it not to suck. The film fails on every level to tell a compelling origin story it isn’t entertaining. Everything is forced. Batman is not likable he is dry and uninteresting. The screenplay doesnt understand the character. And they are nitpickings they are the REASON the movie sucks. The low standards you share with the hacks who made the film shouldn’t be inflicted on the rest of us.
@@ricotubbs5229 alright. Now try replying with arguments this time and not just negating what i said. The movie is great. It makes batman making sense more than year one i dare to say. He is likeable because he is relatable and because he is a good man. Nothing in his journey feels forced, i already explained how this movie sells it better how a man would become batman than year one. Complaining about the fight scenes for example isn't an argument. Why would we care about them? It is obvious that nolan didn't want to focus on them. It's just his artistic choice and expecting typical superhero fight scenes is... well a personal expectation.
Dude stop bearing the lead we all know Henri Ducard is Ra's al Ghul