Hello a Turkish football fan here. I scrolled down a little bit but didnt see someone from Turkey explaining what really caused these issues. So I will try to do that. 1- In 16.06.2022, Mehmet Büyükekşi became the president of TFF(Türkiye Futbol Federasyonu). 2- Before Halil Umut Meler(referee that got punched) scandal happened, in 2022 during the match between Ankaragücü and Beşiktaş, an Ankaragücü fan entered the stadium and attacked a Beşiktaş player. Josef de Souza(Beşiktaş player) blocked him and as a result he got sent off with a red card.(You can find the footage in the internet) Beşiktaş objected his penalty after the match but TFF approved the penalty and Josef didnt play in the next match(Which was against Başakşehir). They gave Ankaragücü an insignificant symbolic penalty(550.000 TL). And Beşiktaş club and Beşiktaş fans wasnt happy about how TFF handled that. After this incident Josef left Turkey, saying these words: "When they kill a footballer, or when they take away his ability to do his favourite thing from a footballer, or when they attack a referee, you will remember me." These words say a lot of things. 3- I told you about Josef incident because the one who punched the referee was the president Ankaragücü. Both incidents happened in the same place. Both incidents was caused by the same team. 4- Turkish Super Cup match happens during summer between the winners of Turkish Super League and Turkish Cup. But this years match was scheduled to happen in 29.12.2023. Because the match was going to be played in Al-Awwal Park in Saudi Arabia(Why in Saudi Arabia? I dont know. Sponsorship reasons maybe?). In the match day, Fenerbahçe wanted to warm up in the stadium while wearing a t-shirt with Atatürk on it. You can see the t-shirt here static.daktilo.com/sites/1394/uploads/2023/12/29/ataturk.jpg But Arabians saw this as a political message and didnt allow Fenerbahçe to enter the stadium while wearing these t-shirts. Fenerbahçe didnt agree to change the t-shirts. This event caused a tension between the two countries and Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray agreed not to play the match there and the match got postponed to a later day. 5- Ever since 2011, there is a fight between Fenerbahçe and Trabzonspor. The reason for that is that year Fenerbahçe finished 1st place and Tranzonspor finished 2nd. But this was the year that Fenerbahçe was accused of fixing matches. Aziz Yıldırım(Fenerbahçe president at the time) was even sent to jail and Fenerbahçe got International cup penalty and didnt go to international cups for two years. But after that Fenerbahçe won the lawsuit. Even to this day Trabzonspor says that Fenerbahçe fixed the matches and that trophy is rightfully theirs. 6- For this reason every Fenerbahçe-Trabzonspor match is like super tense. Especially the one in Trabzon. TFF knew this and didnt put enough security in the match. And Halil Umut Meler was the referee for the match. Yes, the referee that got beaten earlier this season was assigned for the most "eventful" match of the schedule. Dont get me wrong Trabzonspor should be punished with extreme penalties to prevent future incidents but if you ask me TFF was equally responsible for what happened that night. TFF gave symbolic insignificant penalties to Trabzonspor as Z mentioned in the video. And some Fenerbahçe footballers got 1-match penalties as well. 7- In April 2018, during the Turkish Cup Semi Final match between Fenerbahçe and Beşiktaş in FB Stadium, Şenol Güneş(Beşiktaş Manager at the time and former Trabzonspor player and manager(in 2011 during the events I mentioned before)) was hit in the head by an object thrown by Fenerbahçe fans. The match got canceled to be continued at a later date. TFF gave Fenerbahçe the penalty of playing next 3 home matches without fans, Beşiktaş didnt attend the continuation match to condemn. And Beşiktaş got banned from Turkish Cup for 2 years for this reason. 8- The postponed Super Cup match was re-scheduled to a date Fenerbahçe was disadvantageous. Because they had a match with Olympiakos 3 days after set date(Both away matches). Fenerbahçe obviously didnt like that and gave a reaction. They were originally not going attend the match at all but not attending to a cup match had legal consequences(as I mentioned in (7)). So they decided to attend the match with the youth team, then withdraw from the field. So even if Galatasaray didnt score at the start, they were going to withdraw. 9- The reason I even mentioned Mehmet Büyükekşi in (1) is because every football fan in Turkey wants him to resign his position. All of the scandals and events I mentioned above(except for (7) which happened in 2018) happened during his time in TFF. In 14.12.2023, Mehmet Büyükekşi went to Beşiktaş stadium to watch Beşiktaş-Spartak Trnava Confrence League Match. But he was not welcome there and Beşiktaş fans let him know about it. ua-cam.com/video/WdFLwD4lbgg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=H%C3%BCseyinCAN The chant in the video means this: The killer of football The dog of cimbom(Galatasaray) The son of a b**** Mehmet Büyükekşi, Mehmet Büyükekşi He left the match immediately and never went to a Beşiktaş match again. Here is a video from Fenerbahçe-Spartak Trnava Conferance league match, this time Fenerbahçe fans chanting the same words ua-cam.com/video/QG6mqzgSmc8/v-deo.html&ab_channel=RizeliFK13 Thanks for reading this long comment, and I am a Beşiktaş fan if you are curious.
Some more additional context here for ya: The cup final match was supposed to take place a couple months ago in Saudi. But in there we witnessed a very rare actual good moment in Turkish football, as they didn't let people bring in any signs about Turkey's founder (in the 100th year of the country btw) Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray decided to not show up in the stadium.
I think you missed a couple of things: 1) There were a lot of fans missing in the stadium because Fenerbahce had already informed their fans not to bother to show up because they wouldn't be playing legitimately. The Turkish Super Cup does, in general, fail to attract fans anyway in recent years, however that's usually because the game isn't between 2 of the big 3 in Turkey. The last time it did happen was 2016, when Galatasaray beat Besiktas on penalties, but again there were about 10,000 empty seats at that game. It also didn't help that the game was being held in Sanliurfa, a nearly 600 mile journey. 2) The game was originally due to be played in August 2023, like every other Super Cup prior to covid, but was moved to December 2023, in the mid season break in Turkey due to fixture congestion. It was also due to be played in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, but was ultimately cancelled due to a variety of disagreements between the Saudis and the Turks causing both teams not to show up to the original fixture. Being played abroad is not usually an issue, with the 2021 edition being held in Qatar, and many other editions being held in much smaller stadiums all across Turkey, although the decision to hold the competition abroad in the 100th anniversary year of Turkey's establishment certainly upset a lot of people, especially the Saudis when Turkey wanted to pay homage to that at the game itself. This meant it was moved again into 2024. Because it was due to be played in 2023, it is still known as the 2023 edition despite being played in 2024, similar to Euro 2020. Basically, out of the 4 possible times between the 2 sides that they could have fielded a squad, only once was it actually done by either team.
I mean as a turkish fan here the problem is way more deeper than football (political parties being corrupt and helping clubs) so it is kinda hard to understand and close to impossible to fix we as fans just pray for some improvements
@@davidz2690the fact he slept with his best friend maxi Lopez wife, then married her 6 months after they divorced despite them both claiming they weren't sleeping together while she was still married to maxi Lopez, then getting a tattoo of maxis 3 kids, then icardi cheating on her himself refusing to train or play for psg if they didn't let him go to Argentina to win her back then cheating on her again after he moved to galatasary refusing to train or play again if they didn't let him go to Argentina to win her back and threatening to murder inter Milan ultras because they had enough of his antics while he was captain, hes an all round bad dude
@@DiegoE47 in his later years whenever Maradona spoke on interviews, he would always have huge gaps in between words that he filled with "eeeeeeeeeeeeh", similar to how in english you might say "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh" when taking too long to think something. Those gaps were frequently a source of memes in Argentina.
the thing ab the super cup date is that after the scandal in January, both teams decided to play this game on April so this is not sth that the federation just coming out of nowhere and forcing them to play at that time... BOTH teams were stupid enough to play that much of a big game in that narrow schedule more importantly apparently the federation has no rule or power to postpone the match without the approval of both teams. apparently ferna approves federation to postpone it but gala literally says fuck off to fernabache matter fact the federation offers fernabache to postpone the league matches after the europa league matches but they refused it lol absolute cinema over there
Zealand has been my top FM info giver since Foxinthebox stopped. And honestly top 10 streamers in general. But extra sassy, swearing and lore-filled Zealandism Zealand has just makes my day every time we get his videos.
I don't think they actually voted to stay in the league, iirc they just discussed it and set a vote at a later meeting. (presumably because they are investigating potential places to move to).
the only reason the supercup is in may is because when they tried to hold it in saudi arabia in december they wanted to wear warmup shirts for like the founder of turkey and saudi said fuck no so they left and had to postpone the supercup
Fenerbahce is a powder keg right now. Luckily their Conference League quarterfinal will not be against a team from a country that has been a historic and political rival of Turkey, right?
The whole Fenerbahçe thing is just ridiculous. Ali Koç threatening to pull the team from the Süper Lig, then the Cup debacle where they used the U19 and then just walked out, their demand to have a foreigner flown in as ref. A German-Turkish commentator says that the TFF is weak. And he kinda has a point considering the power the top clubs have. If it wasn‘t for that, Turkey could be a major contender for UEFA club and international titles.
Great coverage Zealand thank you! Just an update, the statement at 4:37 was denied by Kerem himself, stating he only said "Please don't be sorry, we've got nothing against you brother." but Fenerbahce player Emirhan wasn't bothered and looking somewhere else and that is their only interaction. When the game begins, Gala only passed the ball eachother in their half waiting for what Fener's gonna do. But they started to press, and obviously they pressed to get the ball. Nobody knows what their plan was but Fener always tends to do "clever things" and manipulate the story, but Gala wasn't there to play along. Don't be fooled by Fenerbahce, they'd do everything and tell every lie to victimise themselves and antagonise Gala.
People are talking about how it was supposed to be played in January but it was originally in the beginning of the season but due to galas request it was postponed.
Just so you know the one of the reasons its being play now is because it got rearrange from both teams refusing to play. One of the players suspended was kicking a fan in the head who was being held no the floor not really self defense
They didn't overwhelm the security, there was no security. Unlike in Fenerbahçe stadium where there are uniformed police officers every two meters spread apart so fans can't just rush in. Trabzonspor didn't provide that security.
Z didn't even address the fact that the U-19 team was playing their 2nd match of the day, and the fact that after the win was awarded to Gala the players from the winning team took to the pitch and played a training match between themselves. It gets crazier the more you look into it.
On the 3 players and 2 staff mentioned in the article it does include a guy that kicked the head of a fan that was being held down by a steward, so not every case was self defence
Agree to disagree. He got viciously attacked, might as well make sure to not have that happen again. Surely it's selfdefence, also if he was being held back. The 'fans' were the agressors.
@@victorterheege5462 It doesn't really matter if you agree or not. If what OP said is true, then that's surely not self defense. Self defense doesn't allow you to "make sure to not have that happen again", whatever that means.
@@iambicpentakill971 You should've read what OP wrote before replying, especially this part - "a guy that kicked the head of a fan that was being held down by a steward". It doesn't matter where you live. There was no danger at that point. That's not self defense.
Can anyone actually explain this properly, why did they ask for postponement? It looks like they had a game 3/4, and Europe on 11/4, and the game was 7/4. So there was just a packed schedule nothing unheard of though.
😂 He got sick from eating raw oysters something I do not recommend. 🤢 He did enjoy the mothering he got to get him back to health…. It had been years since I’ve had to do, luckily! 😊
10:35 You know what is even more insane, the head of the TFF still hasn’t resigned after everything that has taken place. Instead, he has announced elections after the Euro’s, clearly showing he’s banking on the national team’s success to stay in his position 😂
@@lordpelagius5078 Bold on his part definitely. It’s just crazy that he has taken such a step, which has calmed some nerves, particularly on the part of Galatasaray and Trabzonspor (I wonder why 😀). By far the worst federation in the history of Turkish football.
Wow! Makes the Scottish Highland League look like the, er... Scottish Highland League. From zero interest in Turkish football to utterly fascinated by Turkish football in 0.5 seconds. Phenomenal. I'll be back...
That's because one team fans and entire team boycut the event. That's why half the stadium is empty. Even though Ali Koc bought all the tickets so to help with earthquake and what not.
After the Trabzonspor-Fenerbahçe match, the number of fans who stormed the pitch was not "hundreds," but around 10-15 people. Batshuayi famously round-house kicked a fan, but was not fined. Nor did Osayi-Samuel who punched a fan lying down. But Oosterwolde kicked a fan in the head who was clearly detained and rendered ineffective by an official. Most actions of Fenerbahçe players were deemed as self-defense, but nothing can justify Oosterwolde's actions. You just cannot kick a person in the head when they are lying down unable to move.
Hej Zealanderino any chance you'll cover the situation with John Textor accusing a lot of people of match fixing in Brazil? I get the feeling the Brazilian media isn't taking the case seriously because they just see "some gringo" trying to change the "way things are" and boi oh boi I figured if the Americans picked up on what's happening in the Brazilian League, well, something might come out of it.
Hey Z, I think you should dive down the Gonçalo Feio rabbit hole. A young Portuguese coach in Poland, he took over at Motor Lublin in the 3rd division relegation places, got the club into the promotion play-offs and then got promoted that same season. Behind closed doors things weren't quite as positive as you would imagine tho. After a disagreement with the chairman of the club, Feio threw a document tray at his face, splitting his eyebrow and sending him to the hospital. A while later, the spokesperson of the club came out to the media accusing Feio of mobbing, sharing some terrible, unhinged quotes. There were also many smaller controversies, like him clashing with the refs, many, many crazy press conferences. Despite everything though, he never lost the faith of the club owner and got the club promoted. Now comes the good part tho. A year later, he was now fighting for back to back promotions, situated in the promotion playoff places, before, around two weeks ago, out of nowhere, he decided to resign immediately, leaving the team to his assistant. And now, literally today, he was announced as the new Legia Warsaw coach, after their questionable sacking of their latest coach. Insane story, and surely many insane stories to come out of this. Sorry for how messy this recap is. You can easily catch up on the lore from a more reliable source by Google translating a few Polish articles. I recommend the site Weszlo.pl :)
If you're good enough for the Turkish league, you are good enough for a lot of leagues around the globe. I'd be going anywhere else but Turkey right about now.
Not everybody was defending themselves is another issue. While Batshuayi is 100% in the clear, Oosterwolde should have gotten a at least 10 match suspension punishment for kicking an already tackled, incapacitated pitch invader laying on the floor with security on top of him. Equally Trabzonspor got no real punishment either.
Nah when Fenerbahce is one of the main characters of the incident, I can understand that they are never right. From where ? If Appiah didn't hit the post in 2006, they were the champion. If Volkan ( Club legend goalkeeper) didn't miss the ball in 2008 and Nonda didn't score, they were the champion. If they beat Trabzon at home in 2010 which was like that legendary celtic-barca game , they were the champion. If they played Alex de Souza ( Literally club legend) and beat Galatasaray at home in 2012, they were the champion. If they beat Erciyes at home in 2015, they were the champion (fun fact Erciyes was relageted in that season) . If they beat Sivas at home in 2021 covid season, they were the champion. they bottled literally 6 cup 6 not 1 not 2 not even 3 but 6. Using the term injustice for 20 years after messing up the final matches? I don't think so. btw 5 of those bottles are at home not away
You have Galatasaray who have their officials all over Turkish Football federation. So the result is Team one commits 59 faul and gets 15 yellow cards Team two commits 62 fauls and gets 4 yellows. That's not ok
Turkish football especially this season is in pure chaos. But the main problem this season is Fenerbahçe's billionaire president Ali Koç. Ali Koç has been the president fro 6 years and he only won one Turkish cup last year. After spending hundreds of millions of euros he thinks he is entitled to win more league titles. Couple of weeks before the referee-punching incident he ama said in a joking manner: 'do not be suprised if one of us goes to the federation building and punch someone'. And voila a referee was punched. On the super cup, Fenerbahçe had a game 10 days before the super cup game but they still asked it to be postponed whe their opponents Olympiacos had a game at the same day. This entitled, spoiled guy wants the system work for himself. For instance, Fenerbahçe won at least 3 games with unfair penalties that they got in the extra times. But guess what. This was not enough for Ali Koç because they are still behind Galatasaray. So, the guy wanted to get biased treatment and threatened to pull out of the league to get it. Turkish football is in chaos but this guy is just the cherry on the top.
So trabzonspors punishment might be not enough but why is no one talking about the fenerbahce players punching fans that are already on the ground or even using their heads as a penalty kick ball without getting a single bit of punishment
Olympiacos, Fener's opponent played a league game same day same hour at Fenerbahçe. TFF proposed to postpone the match in between two Olympiacos matches (since Greek FA did it for Olympiacos) and Fener refused it insisting on the Super Cup match, which was already postponed twice since August 23. The nuance which you blamelessly of course is missing is that Fener has been acting like the spoiled kid that wants everything to do be done exactly as he wants, no compromise whatsoever. Any other FA wouldn't bend to this. You talk about punishments to self defense (kicking the head of a guy 1 match, punching another repeatedly on the ground AFTER the guards already tackled the guy, 1 match) and I talk about a gazillion more where Fener players and staff don't get punished at all. Hell 2 matches ago in Kadıköy, the captain of Fener said to ref's face that "He wouldn't be able to get out of the stadium" and there has been no punishment, but a footage from the stands showing Icardi grab his dong for a millisecond got him suspended. 20 years of injustice they are talking about, yet they are the only one of the big 4 who couldn't win a championship AFTER the FETÖ stuff is done and they are removed from the various positions in the country. They flaunt that last 10 years they have been the leader in total points earned but no championships, but you take a look at the individual seasons and all you see is that in the "Life or Death" matches, Fener unilaterally dies. No ref influence, no nothing. Last year they got beaten down 3-0 twice by Gala, yet still have the gall to claim that without the FA they could have been the champions. It's absolutely delirious to watch. It's the nuance that lets you read between the lines and honestly, I can't blame anyone for not getting this. It's fucking complicated and deep
4:45 Kerem said that this conversation never happened btw. also Fener's idiot president said to his fans to not buy tickets for the game, it would have been absolutely packed. Even though Super Cup isn't the most important game. TFF is garbage but FB benefitted more than all other clubs, Ali Koc complaining is just because he doesn't have any league titles. Also, he and the guy who punched the ref are like best friends, so he is not against violence in general, just against his own players
Imagine an Arab owner of a Premier League team influencing government policy in the U.K. This can happen in Turkey where politics and football meet.. .Keep European football European by having no foreign owners in domestic leagues ,or teams with less than 5% of their territory in Europe for European competitions. So Turkey ,Israel,Kazakhistan all out. Premier League owners who own countries,out.Very simple how to clean European football.
Zealand, do you happen to have a mail that I can contact you? I've written a nice recap on whatever has happened this season in Greek football, and with the upcoming European games I thought it would be interesting to talk about. Started doing it for fun and wanted to mail it, but I can't seem to find any place to send something this large easily (it's exactly 2800 words)
The harsh truth is they stayed in their own league because no European league wants a Turkish team in their leagues. The fans are thugs, the teams are corrupt to the core, and the culture is incompatible with European culture. Turkey is a Asian/middle eastern culture and the teams would be best suited to trying to latch on to one of the failing Arab leagues. I'm sure every team in that league will claim to have been hard done by over the last 20 years, that's the nature of a corrupt league and corrupt football association. The problem is nobody has the will or power to change it. The corruption runs from the very top, down to the owners of the clubs, even to the managers and players. Think Italian match fixing but 100 times worse. It's a meme league at this point.
I like your content Zealand, but don't believe everything you see on the social media mate. The conversation between Emirhan and Kerem never happened. In fact Galatasaray coach and players spoke to the media many times that they will respect the opponent regardless of which team they will be facing and they will play as they normally do. So, Galatasaray never intended to put the ball out of play and they are not obliged to. When it comes to the Trabzonspor fans and Fenerbahce players brawl, I think you didn't watch videos of what actually happened and only followed things on social media again. That of course doesn't make your comments about Trabzonspor wrong, but it makes you missing important context. You also don't know why the super cup game played on March, which actually has a reason and it is because of a chain of stupid decisions taken by the Turkish Football Federation. So, you should do better research before talking about stuff. I am not saying that your arguments are wrong and as a Turkish fellow I agree with you about how doomed the Turkish League is, but you clearly didn't do your research and it makes this video a bit garbage.
Good takes. Don't agree with some though. Our FA sucks and everbody is sick of it. However, Ali Koç is overreacting and creating a scene more than anybody. Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe are more equal than the rest. It was like this, and will keep being this way. Love from Turkey.
I was actually at the Fenerbahçe match before the Trabzonspor match. Fenerbahçe is more of a leftwing team, or at least anti-regime club, representing the Asian side and community of Kadiköy. Galatasaray is their arch nemesis, representing the outer neighborhoods of the European side. They are the establishment and upper class. Both clubs transcend socio economics though, but those are accurate generalizations. Istanbul Başakşehir is the very pro-regime club (not really any fans)
Erdoğan is a congress member of Fenerbahçe. In which anti-regime team can such a thing happen? Moreover, even the person who told the players to leave the pitch in this cup match is Erdogan's relative.
That's absolute rubbish. While Fener do represent the Asian side of Istanbul they have fans all over the city, not just Kadikoy, same way Gala do not have fans solely from mecidiyekoy. While none of these 3 big Istanbul clubs are particularly pro regime or right wing compared to some other Turkish sides, Fener are the furthest right, with Galatasaray being historically the team of the Academics and Besiktas the Communists.
Hello a Turkish football fan here. I scrolled down a little bit but didnt see someone from Turkey explaining what really caused these issues. So I will try to do that.
1- In 16.06.2022, Mehmet Büyükekşi became the president of TFF(Türkiye Futbol Federasyonu).
2- Before Halil Umut Meler(referee that got punched) scandal happened, in 2022 during the match between Ankaragücü and Beşiktaş, an Ankaragücü fan entered the stadium and attacked a Beşiktaş player. Josef de Souza(Beşiktaş player) blocked him and as a result he got sent off with a red card.(You can find the footage in the internet) Beşiktaş objected his penalty after the match but TFF approved the penalty and Josef didnt play in the next match(Which was against Başakşehir). They gave Ankaragücü an insignificant symbolic penalty(550.000 TL). And Beşiktaş club and Beşiktaş fans wasnt happy about how TFF handled that. After this incident Josef left Turkey, saying these words: "When they kill a footballer, or when they take away his ability to do his favourite thing from a footballer, or when they attack a referee, you will remember me." These words say a lot of things.
3- I told you about Josef incident because the one who punched the referee was the president Ankaragücü. Both incidents happened in the same place. Both incidents was caused by the same team.
4- Turkish Super Cup match happens during summer between the winners of Turkish Super League and Turkish Cup. But this years match was scheduled to happen in 29.12.2023. Because the match was going to be played in Al-Awwal Park in Saudi Arabia(Why in Saudi Arabia? I dont know. Sponsorship reasons maybe?). In the match day, Fenerbahçe wanted to warm up in the stadium while wearing a t-shirt with Atatürk on it. You can see the t-shirt here static.daktilo.com/sites/1394/uploads/2023/12/29/ataturk.jpg
But Arabians saw this as a political message and didnt allow Fenerbahçe to enter the stadium while wearing these t-shirts. Fenerbahçe didnt agree to change the t-shirts. This event caused a tension between the two countries and Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray agreed not to play the match there and the match got postponed to a later day.
5- Ever since 2011, there is a fight between Fenerbahçe and Trabzonspor. The reason for that is that year Fenerbahçe finished 1st place and Tranzonspor finished 2nd. But this was the year that Fenerbahçe was accused of fixing matches. Aziz Yıldırım(Fenerbahçe president at the time) was even sent to jail and Fenerbahçe got International cup penalty and didnt go to international cups for two years. But after that Fenerbahçe won the lawsuit. Even to this day Trabzonspor says that Fenerbahçe fixed the matches and that trophy is rightfully theirs.
6- For this reason every Fenerbahçe-Trabzonspor match is like super tense. Especially the one in Trabzon. TFF knew this and didnt put enough security in the match. And Halil Umut Meler was the referee for the match. Yes, the referee that got beaten earlier this season was assigned for the most "eventful" match of the schedule. Dont get me wrong Trabzonspor should be punished with extreme penalties to prevent future incidents but if you ask me TFF was equally responsible for what happened that night.
TFF gave symbolic insignificant penalties to Trabzonspor as Z mentioned in the video. And some Fenerbahçe footballers got 1-match penalties as well.
7- In April 2018, during the Turkish Cup Semi Final match between Fenerbahçe and Beşiktaş in FB Stadium, Şenol Güneş(Beşiktaş Manager at the time and former Trabzonspor player and manager(in 2011 during the events I mentioned before)) was hit in the head by an object thrown by Fenerbahçe fans. The match got canceled to be continued at a later date. TFF gave Fenerbahçe the penalty of playing next 3 home matches without fans, Beşiktaş didnt attend the continuation match to condemn. And Beşiktaş got banned from Turkish Cup for 2 years for this reason.
8- The postponed Super Cup match was re-scheduled to a date Fenerbahçe was disadvantageous. Because they had a match with Olympiakos 3 days after set date(Both away matches). Fenerbahçe obviously didnt like that and gave a reaction. They were originally not going attend the match at all but not attending to a cup match had legal consequences(as I mentioned in (7)). So they decided to attend the match with the youth team, then withdraw from the field. So even if Galatasaray didnt score at the start, they were going to withdraw.
9- The reason I even mentioned Mehmet Büyükekşi in (1) is because every football fan in Turkey wants him to resign his position. All of the scandals and events I mentioned above(except for (7) which happened in 2018) happened during his time in TFF.
In 14.12.2023, Mehmet Büyükekşi went to Beşiktaş stadium to watch Beşiktaş-Spartak Trnava Confrence League Match. But he was not welcome there and Beşiktaş fans let him know about it.
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The chant in the video means this:
The killer of football
The dog of cimbom(Galatasaray)
The son of a b****
Mehmet Büyükekşi, Mehmet Büyükekşi
He left the match immediately and never went to a Beşiktaş match again.
Here is a video from Fenerbahçe-Spartak Trnava Conferance league match, this time Fenerbahçe fans chanting the same words
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Thanks for reading this long comment, and I am a Beşiktaş fan if you are curious.
Thanks for the info. Also i appreciate you saying which team you support to make sure there’s no bias in your explanation
FAIR-PLAY...
Thnx for this explanation
Some more additional context here for ya:
The cup final match was supposed to take place a couple months ago in Saudi. But in there we witnessed a very rare actual good moment in Turkish football, as they didn't let people bring in any signs about Turkey's founder (in the 100th year of the country btw) Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray decided to not show up in the stadium.
What is the controversy surrounding Turkeys founder?
@@kickflips7603 well he brought in democracy and saudi arabia does not want that promoted in their country
@@kickflips7603 basically, the Saudis want the statue of Ataturk removed, also no Turkey national anthem (only Saudi Arabia's anthem to be played btw)
@@namholephuong117 plz dont say Turkey and Democracy in the same sentence. they're about as democratic as the USA is...
@@nickvanrijn9304So, Democratic?
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@@christianlenik5307 that arabian not turkish
"As long as i dont get stabbed by a corner flag" should be used more
We now have a running joke in the comments about reminding Zealand to run
I see what you did there
I hadn't noticed
well played sir
But did he run ???
for the President it is!
I think you missed a couple of things:
1) There were a lot of fans missing in the stadium because Fenerbahce had already informed their fans not to bother to show up because they wouldn't be playing legitimately. The Turkish Super Cup does, in general, fail to attract fans anyway in recent years, however that's usually because the game isn't between 2 of the big 3 in Turkey. The last time it did happen was 2016, when Galatasaray beat Besiktas on penalties, but again there were about 10,000 empty seats at that game. It also didn't help that the game was being held in Sanliurfa, a nearly 600 mile journey.
2) The game was originally due to be played in August 2023, like every other Super Cup prior to covid, but was moved to December 2023, in the mid season break in Turkey due to fixture congestion. It was also due to be played in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, but was ultimately cancelled due to a variety of disagreements between the Saudis and the Turks causing both teams not to show up to the original fixture. Being played abroad is not usually an issue, with the 2021 edition being held in Qatar, and many other editions being held in much smaller stadiums all across Turkey, although the decision to hold the competition abroad in the 100th anniversary year of Turkey's establishment certainly upset a lot of people, especially the Saudis when Turkey wanted to pay homage to that at the game itself. This meant it was moved again into 2024. Because it was due to be played in 2023, it is still known as the 2023 edition despite being played in 2024, similar to Euro 2020.
Basically, out of the 4 possible times between the 2 sides that they could have fielded a squad, only once was it actually done by either team.
I mean as a turkish fan here the problem is way more deeper than football (political parties being corrupt and helping clubs) so it is kinda hard to understand and close to impossible to fix we as fans just pray for some improvements
Sounds pretty much like the Balkan leagues but with lots of money
I wanna see you review the whole icardi drama from beginning to end. That would be fascinating
I second this 🫡
Poobum
couldn't find anything online, what drama?
@@davidz2690the fact he slept with his best friend maxi Lopez wife, then married her 6 months after they divorced despite them both claiming they weren't sleeping together while she was still married to maxi Lopez, then getting a tattoo of maxis 3 kids, then icardi cheating on her himself refusing to train or play for psg if they didn't let him go to Argentina to win her back then cheating on her again after he moved to galatasary refusing to train or play again if they didn't let him go to Argentina to win her back and threatening to murder inter Milan ultras because they had enough of his antics while he was captain, hes an all round bad dude
You’re not a true football UA-camr until you cover the whole Icardi drama
Video rated PEGI 18, implied violence against straws and camels
did you run tho?
But did YOU run though?
@@alehlete830I ran, did you run?
He had runs.
HE HAD WHAT??
Zealand go over how a mexican football coach called messi a "possessed dwarf" and "face of the devil" 😭
Here is Maradona's thoughts on MX Liga
"Àaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
No, you got Maradona wrong, he clearly said "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
@@Damian_1989 context?
@@DiegoE47 in his later years whenever Maradona spoke on interviews, he would always have huge gaps in between words that he filled with "eeeeeeeeeeeeh", similar to how in english you might say "uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh" when taking too long to think something. Those gaps were frequently a source of memes in Argentina.
@@Damian_1989like Steven gerrard lol he says eeeeehh
the thing ab the super cup date is that after the scandal in January, both teams decided to play this game on April so this is not sth that the federation just coming out of nowhere and forcing them to play at that time... BOTH teams were stupid enough to play that much of a big game in that narrow schedule more importantly apparently the federation has no rule or power to postpone the match without the approval of both teams. apparently ferna approves federation to postpone it but gala literally says fuck off to fernabache matter fact the federation offers fernabache to postpone the league matches after the europa league matches but they refused it lol absolute cinema over there
Dude you need to put these on the podcast channels ❤️
He has a podcast? What’s the name of it?
@@andrewhp9754 Player Manager w/ Julian Gressel
Your bowel movements are runnier than you are, Zealand 🎉
Zealand has been my top FM info giver since Foxinthebox stopped. And honestly top 10 streamers in general. But extra sassy, swearing and lore-filled Zealandism Zealand has just makes my day every time we get his videos.
I don't think they actually voted to stay in the league, iirc they just discussed it and set a vote at a later meeting. (presumably because they are investigating potential places to move to).
This should be a feature in FM: 1/stadium riots 2/ FA hates your club 3/ the club switches federations...
the only reason the supercup is in may is because when they tried to hold it in saudi arabia in december they wanted to wear warmup shirts for like the founder of turkey and saudi said fuck no so they left and had to postpone the supercup
Fenerbahce is a powder keg right now. Luckily their Conference League quarterfinal will not be against a team from a country that has been a historic and political rival of Turkey, right?
Oh my I looked that up and that’s going to be an interesting game
My first time on the zealandism channel
Zealand: "Fuck"
Me: *Gasp*
Can you talk about dundee siruatikn they posponed ljke 5 matches this season
The whole Fenerbahçe thing is just ridiculous. Ali Koç threatening to pull the team from the Süper Lig, then the Cup debacle where they used the U19 and then just walked out, their demand to have a foreigner flown in as ref. A German-Turkish commentator says that the TFF is weak. And he kinda has a point considering the power the top clubs have. If it wasn‘t for that, Turkey could be a major contender for UEFA club and international titles.
Did you go on a run? How many freedom units (miles) did you run? And what was your pace?
All the Turks, who all live in Berlin, are saying the league is completely infested by match fixing.
Great coverage Zealand thank you! Just an update, the statement at 4:37 was denied by Kerem himself, stating he only said "Please don't be sorry, we've got nothing against you brother." but Fenerbahce player Emirhan wasn't bothered and looking somewhere else and that is their only interaction. When the game begins, Gala only passed the ball eachother in their half waiting for what Fener's gonna do. But they started to press, and obviously they pressed to get the ball. Nobody knows what their plan was but Fener always tends to do "clever things" and manipulate the story, but Gala wasn't there to play along.
Don't be fooled by Fenerbahce, they'd do everything and tell every lie to victimise themselves and antagonise Gala.
I feel like turkey just keeps
up the craziness specifically for you to make videos about 😅
aren't the stands empty because fenerbace said his fans, to boykott as well or that they were?
In such situations I always assume the bigger is bullying the smaller, even if the smaller aren't innocent.
Which straw are we talking about here? I've got a whole ER full of straws with backs broken by camels here.
People are talking about how it was supposed to be played in January but it was originally in the beginning of the season but due to galas request it was postponed.
The soul and kino of football is slowly coming back
Just so you know the one of the reasons its being play now is because it got rearrange from both teams refusing to play. One of the players suspended was kicking a fan in the head who was being held no the floor not really self defense
They didn't overwhelm the security, there was no security. Unlike in Fenerbahçe stadium where there are uniformed police officers every two meters spread apart so fans can't just rush in. Trabzonspor didn't provide that security.
Z didn't even address the fact that the U-19 team was playing their 2nd match of the day, and the fact that after the win was awarded to Gala the players from the winning team took to the pitch and played a training match between themselves. It gets crazier the more you look into it.
nice to here that your bowels are back in ratchet mode again.
You: Reminisces over the Neymar and Icardi drama
Me, a PSG fan: 💀
The ufc reference was spot on (I’m the petty ground and pound submission bitch)
As an Argentine, hearing you long for more Wanda drama is very funny 😂, Wanda has been the definition of drama here for the past like, 15 years
sooo the Turkish league sounds like all the other leagues before TV money came in back in the day???...where can i watch this madness?
On the 3 players and 2 staff mentioned in the article it does include a guy that kicked the head of a fan that was being held down by a steward, so not every case was self defence
Agree to disagree. He got viciously attacked, might as well make sure to not have that happen again. Surely it's selfdefence, also if he was being held back. The 'fans' were the agressors.
@@victorterheege5462 It doesn't really matter if you agree or not. If what OP said is true, then that's surely not self defense. Self defense doesn't allow you to "make sure to not have that happen again", whatever that means.
@@jamesrodriguez514 It doesn't matter if you agree or not either, depending on where you live, you can "stand your ground" legally
@@iambicpentakill971 You should've read what OP wrote before replying, especially this part - "a guy that kicked the head of a fan that was being held down by a steward". It doesn't matter where you live. There was no danger at that point. That's not self defense.
He knows that. If you check the video where talks about the incident he does talk about it. He really is just ranting and forgot to mention that.
Turkey is the Clown Show Party of football 😄
As a Fenerbahce fan %100 aggree
Say what you want about the fans who stormed the field, but they at least ran that day
Can anyone actually explain this properly, why did they ask for postponement? It looks like they had a game 3/4, and Europe on 11/4, and the game was 7/4. So there was just a packed schedule nothing unheard of though.
The stadium was empty because fener announced they would show up with the u19s. You missed a lot of crucial details with this video tbh.
Food poisoning, I saw that little cross symbol in FM when you said that haha.
Turkish football is the WWE of UEFA leagues. Nobody knows what's going to happen the next week
First time I've been called a jabroni. I am so happy that Sheikie baby's insult has reached this channel.
so funny to hear Zealand talk about "Turkey having problems" and it's not even about turkish politics
Brian needs to be put in charge of the Turkish League
Hopefully the Turkish League will start tunning itself with at least the same fervor as you did a few weeks ago.
The Turkish league is finished, but do you know what will never be finished? Me constantly reminding Z to run.
Zealand’s mom trying to kill him with her cooking.
😂 He got sick from eating raw oysters something I do not recommend. 🤢 He did enjoy the mothering he got to get him back to health…. It had been years since I’ve had to do, luckily! 😊
10:35 You know what is even more insane, the head of the TFF still hasn’t resigned after everything that has taken place. Instead, he has announced elections after the Euro’s, clearly showing he’s banking on the national team’s success to stay in his position 😂
Bold move given last euros they finished last and lost to Wales
@@lordpelagius5078 Bold on his part definitely. It’s just crazy that he has taken such a step, which has calmed some nerves, particularly on the part of Galatasaray and Trabzonspor (I wonder why 😀). By far the worst federation in the history of Turkish football.
What is the icardi thing?
Wow! Makes the Scottish Highland League look like the, er... Scottish Highland League. From zero interest in Turkish football to utterly fascinated by Turkish football in 0.5 seconds. Phenomenal. I'll be back...
Okay thats great but did you run today?
That's because one team fans and entire team boycut the event. That's why half the stadium is empty. Even though Ali Koc bought all the tickets so to help with earthquake and what not.
After the Trabzonspor-Fenerbahçe match, the number of fans who stormed the pitch was not "hundreds," but around 10-15 people. Batshuayi famously round-house kicked a fan, but was not fined. Nor did Osayi-Samuel who punched a fan lying down. But Oosterwolde kicked a fan in the head who was clearly detained and rendered ineffective by an official. Most actions of Fenerbahçe players were deemed as self-defense, but nothing can justify Oosterwolde's actions. You just cannot kick a person in the head when they are lying down unable to move.
Hej Zealanderino any chance you'll cover the situation with John Textor accusing a lot of people of match fixing in Brazil? I get the feeling the Brazilian media isn't taking the case seriously because they just see "some gringo" trying to change the "way things are" and boi oh boi I figured if the Americans picked up on what's happening in the Brazilian League, well, something might come out of it.
Only IF Mexico got those types of fines.
They should hire Patrick Star to mediate
Is mayonnaise a corner flag?
I'm not used to hear Z swearing. It almost feels illegal when I hear that :D
Hey Z, I think you should dive down the Gonçalo Feio rabbit hole. A young Portuguese coach in Poland, he took over at Motor Lublin in the 3rd division relegation places, got the club into the promotion play-offs and then got promoted that same season. Behind closed doors things weren't quite as positive as you would imagine tho. After a disagreement with the chairman of the club, Feio threw a document tray at his face, splitting his eyebrow and sending him to the hospital. A while later, the spokesperson of the club came out to the media accusing Feio of mobbing, sharing some terrible, unhinged quotes. There were also many smaller controversies, like him clashing with the refs, many, many crazy press conferences. Despite everything though, he never lost the faith of the club owner and got the club promoted. Now comes the good part tho. A year later, he was now fighting for back to back promotions, situated in the promotion playoff places, before, around two weeks ago, out of nowhere, he decided to resign immediately, leaving the team to his assistant. And now, literally today, he was announced as the new Legia Warsaw coach, after their questionable sacking of their latest coach. Insane story, and surely many insane stories to come out of this. Sorry for how messy this recap is. You can easily catch up on the lore from a more reliable source by Google translating a few Polish articles. I recommend the site Weszlo.pl :)
Its just the football in 1970s England!
It makes a difference I think if you are a practicing Muslim going to Saudi as it has a different meaning given Mecca is located there
If you're good enough for the Turkish league, you are good enough for a lot of leagues around the globe. I'd be going anywhere else but Turkey right about now.
this video was a super solid performance *sincere face*
HES BACK HOME
Not everybody was defending themselves is another issue. While Batshuayi is 100% in the clear, Oosterwolde should have gotten a at least 10 match suspension punishment for kicking an already tackled, incapacitated pitch invader laying on the floor with security on top of him. Equally Trabzonspor got no real punishment either.
The quote by Kerem is a lie by the way, Kerem went out and said that it was not true at all.
Nah when Fenerbahce is one of the main characters of the incident, I can understand that they are never right. From where ? If Appiah didn't hit the post in 2006, they were the champion. If Volkan ( Club legend goalkeeper) didn't miss the ball in 2008 and Nonda didn't score, they were the champion. If they beat Trabzon at home in 2010 which was like that legendary celtic-barca game , they were the champion. If they played Alex de Souza ( Literally club legend) and beat Galatasaray at home in 2012, they were the champion. If they beat Erciyes at home in 2015, they were the champion (fun fact Erciyes was relageted in that season) . If they beat Sivas at home in 2021 covid season, they were the champion. they bottled literally 6 cup 6 not 1 not 2 not even 3 but 6. Using the term injustice for 20 years after messing up the final matches? I don't think so. btw 5 of those bottles are at home not away
At least the Turkish national team isn't losing 6-1 or something like that.
You have Galatasaray who have their officials all over Turkish Football federation. So the result is
Team one commits 59 faul and gets 15 yellow cards
Team two commits 62 fauls and gets 4 yellows. That's not ok
I feel like the comments are running out of things to say
Turkish football especially this season is in pure chaos. But the main problem this season is Fenerbahçe's billionaire president Ali Koç. Ali Koç has been the president fro 6 years and he only won one Turkish cup last year. After spending hundreds of millions of euros he thinks he is entitled to win more league titles.
Couple of weeks before the referee-punching incident he ama said in a joking manner: 'do not be suprised if one of us goes to the federation building and punch someone'. And voila a referee was punched.
On the super cup, Fenerbahçe had a game 10 days before the super cup game but they still asked it to be postponed whe their opponents Olympiacos had a game at the same day. This entitled, spoiled guy wants the system work for himself. For instance, Fenerbahçe won at least 3 games with unfair penalties that they got in the extra times. But guess what. This was not enough for Ali Koç because they are still behind Galatasaray.
So, the guy wanted to get biased treatment and threatened to pull out of the league to get it. Turkish football is in chaos but this guy is just the cherry on the top.
eccentric bowel movements are just excuses for you not to run Z. You need to run!
Z, not all of the players were just defending themselves, one player was kicking someone that was on the ground after being taken down
What is food poisoning
Taking food that is infested with pathogenic organisms that induce a negative physiological reaction.
Turkey mentioned 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷👍👍
So trabzonspors punishment might be not enough but why is no one talking about the fenerbahce players punching fans that are already on the ground or even using their heads as a penalty kick ball without getting a single bit of punishment
Lol what? That is insane 😂. They quit after conceding a goal in less than a minute?
Olympiacos, Fener's opponent played a league game same day same hour at Fenerbahçe. TFF proposed to postpone the match in between two Olympiacos matches (since Greek FA did it for Olympiacos) and Fener refused it insisting on the Super Cup match, which was already postponed twice since August 23.
The nuance which you blamelessly of course is missing is that Fener has been acting like the spoiled kid that wants everything to do be done exactly as he wants, no compromise whatsoever. Any other FA wouldn't bend to this.
You talk about punishments to self defense (kicking the head of a guy 1 match, punching another repeatedly on the ground AFTER the guards already tackled the guy, 1 match) and I talk about a gazillion more where Fener players and staff don't get punished at all. Hell 2 matches ago in Kadıköy, the captain of Fener said to ref's face that "He wouldn't be able to get out of the stadium" and there has been no punishment, but a footage from the stands showing Icardi grab his dong for a millisecond got him suspended.
20 years of injustice they are talking about, yet they are the only one of the big 4 who couldn't win a championship AFTER the FETÖ stuff is done and they are removed from the various positions in the country. They flaunt that last 10 years they have been the leader in total points earned but no championships, but you take a look at the individual seasons and all you see is that in the "Life or Death" matches, Fener unilaterally dies. No ref influence, no nothing. Last year they got beaten down 3-0 twice by Gala, yet still have the gall to claim that without the FA they could have been the champions. It's absolutely delirious to watch.
It's the nuance that lets you read between the lines and honestly, I can't blame anyone for not getting this. It's fucking complicated and deep
This is all a ploy to get Saudi into UCL
4:45 Kerem said that this conversation never happened btw.
also Fener's idiot president said to his fans to not buy tickets for the game, it would have been absolutely packed. Even though Super Cup isn't the most important game.
TFF is garbage but FB benefitted more than all other clubs, Ali Koc complaining is just because he doesn't have any league titles. Also, he and the guy who punched the ref are like best friends, so he is not against violence in general, just against his own players
Fenerbache should join Grecce
love you zealand pookie
Imagine an Arab owner of a Premier League team influencing government policy in the U.K. This can happen in Turkey where politics and football meet.. .Keep European football European by having no foreign owners in domestic leagues ,or teams with less than 5% of their territory in Europe for European competitions. So Turkey ,Israel,Kazakhistan all out. Premier League owners who own countries,out.Very simple how to clean European football.
Fenerbahçe in the Greek or Bulgarian league. :P
Zealand, do you happen to have a mail that I can contact you? I've written a nice recap on whatever has happened this season in Greek football, and with the upcoming European games I thought it would be interesting to talk about.
Started doing it for fun and wanted to mail it, but I can't seem to find any place to send something this large easily (it's exactly 2800 words)
whats a jabroni twin
Fenerbahçe should join the J League
woahh like a petty little what🧐
Finally! Thanks Zealand
I'd joing the greek league, just for giggles
The harsh truth is they stayed in their own league because no European league wants a Turkish team in their leagues. The fans are thugs, the teams are corrupt to the core, and the culture is incompatible with European culture.
Turkey is a Asian/middle eastern culture and the teams would be best suited to trying to latch on to one of the failing Arab leagues.
I'm sure every team in that league will claim to have been hard done by over the last 20 years, that's the nature of a corrupt league and corrupt football association. The problem is nobody has the will or power to change it. The corruption runs from the very top, down to the owners of the clubs, even to the managers and players. Think Italian match fixing but 100 times worse.
It's a meme league at this point.
I like your content Zealand, but don't believe everything you see on the social media mate. The conversation between Emirhan and Kerem never happened. In fact Galatasaray coach and players spoke to the media many times that they will respect the opponent regardless of which team they will be facing and they will play as they normally do. So, Galatasaray never intended to put the ball out of play and they are not obliged to. When it comes to the Trabzonspor fans and Fenerbahce players brawl, I think you didn't watch videos of what actually happened and only followed things on social media again. That of course doesn't make your comments about Trabzonspor wrong, but it makes you missing important context. You also don't know why the super cup game played on March, which actually has a reason and it is because of a chain of stupid decisions taken by the Turkish Football Federation. So, you should do better research before talking about stuff. I am not saying that your arguments are wrong and as a Turkish fellow I agree with you about how doomed the Turkish League is, but you clearly didn't do your research and it makes this video a bit garbage.
how the Turkish league hasn't been excluded from Europe till now is a mystery, they are a disgrace...
Yippee Tur-ki-yai!
Good takes. Don't agree with some though. Our FA sucks and everbody is sick of it. However, Ali Koç is overreacting and creating a scene more than anybody. Galatasaray and Fenerbahçe are more equal than the rest. It was like this, and will keep being this way. Love from Turkey.
I was actually at the Fenerbahçe match before the Trabzonspor match. Fenerbahçe is more of a leftwing team, or at least anti-regime club, representing the Asian side and community of Kadiköy.
Galatasaray is their arch nemesis, representing the outer neighborhoods of the European side. They are the establishment and upper class.
Both clubs transcend socio economics though, but those are accurate generalizations.
Istanbul Başakşehir is the very pro-regime club (not really any fans)
Anyone who wants to go to a match in Turkiye, you can ask me about the Passo App and the notorious process
Erdoğan is a congress member of Fenerbahçe. In which anti-regime team can such a thing happen? Moreover, even the person who told the players to leave the pitch in this cup match is Erdogan's relative.
That's absolute rubbish. While Fener do represent the Asian side of Istanbul they have fans all over the city, not just Kadikoy, same way Gala do not have fans solely from mecidiyekoy. While none of these 3 big Istanbul clubs are particularly pro regime or right wing compared to some other Turkish sides, Fener are the furthest right, with Galatasaray being historically the team of the Academics and Besiktas the Communists.
I would good things to you guys,but economy not changing the Asia,Eu or other continents...The result is economy...