Satellite passes are commonly recorded because when you're in the field, you've got an antenna in one hand, a mic in the other and you're adjusting frequency on the fly to account for doppler. Logging comes later by reviewing the recording.
Jim Giercyk makes sense to me. I tried a simple SOTA vhf contact with a HT in one hand & an arrow beam in the other hand & it was nearly impossible to log & I had a fixed target. Couldn’t imagine trying to track a birdie & do that 👍🏻
Because technology! One day, as you log all of your qso’s for POTA into your computer... when you get home and go to export them, the computer crashes and you lose them all. Recording seems to be a smart idea. 🤷♂️ yes, this happened to me. 😤😭
Thanks Scott and this video has someone take notice of those handy SideKX extended legs too 👍. They were directed to SideKX and I'm wondering when that knob will be available. I'll have to look into that 😀
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA I see my fabricator today or tomorrow regarding the new mold that is just completed to make the new knob in a two part mold one for the base in hard plastic and the other is the tire in a soft rubber for traction.
Great tips Jerry. Thanks for taking the time to make this video. With regards to your Heil Pro Micro Headset, do you use the one with the dynamic mike (no bias in KX2) or the Pro Micro IC (Bias on in KX2)? Just curious. Thanks and 73, George K2WO
Hey Georg I use the dynamic mic version (no bias in KX2) and love it actually. It's a little bulky for a guy who likes ultra light weight stuff, but has proven to be pretty sturdy.
Interesting - I assume when using CW, that it will record the sidetone when transmitting? When you're shooting the video, do you output the recorded audio to the camera input at the same time or do you mix during editing? I guess IOW, how do you mesh the recorded audio with your yt videos. You should put an antenna or dummy load on the kx2 even with the power at 0.0 - I've read of people making contacts with an antenna connected while set to 0.0 because the rig was transmitting at mW levels...
The side-tone will be recorded just as the voice would under the MON feature. The MON allows you to hear yourself or the ST so it'll record it. I don't pipe into camera in the field instead that's done in post processing. I usually do a loud clap or with my loud voice Adobe Premier Pro is able to sync it all up perfectly. I basically drop the H1 audio file under the GoPro file and then select the two and hit sync audio and it's done. You can then turn the GoPro audio off if you like and you're left with the filtered H1 audio. In the video I linked, "Hoyt Mountain" you are hearing both the GoPro and H1 recordings simultaneously so you can see it does a great job synchronizing them. Ha, copy that on dummy load, and so far so good i guess. Even in the Elecraft manual I recall them suggesting practicing code with the power set to zero output with no antenna, but your point is well taken.
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA Video editing is way above my skill level tho I'd like to learn it someday. I'm lucky if I can get Lightroom to do what I want with stills. Yeah, better safe than sorry - these little KX radios are expensive little suckers...
Great question. I will also note that without the antenna would make "some" difference as that would add some gain but it would still be a good practice to use a load and not build the habit..
Jerry, Does the recorder have a built-in clock, and if so, is the time the recording is taken recorded as well? When you play back the recording, the time the recording is taken is displayed? If so, that would be damned helpful logging all the QSOs later on. Don / W5DON
Nah it doesn't have one that would be captured on the audio file if that's what your asking but you can just add that verbally if you wanted to with each qso as part of the confirmed contact.
Most of the recorders I've seen of the better quality ones at least will have an internal clock and if the time is set this will timestamp the files as to when they were created and then it's a simple matter of math to figure out how far along in something is. This doesn't apply if you use an automatic setting to save space where it would pause under a certain level. As far as time code no not less you get into the more expensive recorders, if you're trying to sync the audio with something else like the camera audio hopefully both devices have a reasonably accurate Clocking system to prevent drift.
Actually most of us are QRP operators and CW is a huge segment of operators on SOTA peaks. I choose SSB to help share the SOTA concepts with new people to ham radio or for hikers to see the benefits of having ham radio while in the wilderness.
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA i can see the whole qrp thing its the adventurous side of amateur radio. Its appealing more then plain amateur radio. Im reading that folks who qrp trail run and or get creative with qrp with the fitness aspect that looks like it would give me a rush to do
It's always best to get a clean signal as you can and if you can get direct access to the audio signal it's even better. Another way to go about it would be to set the level on the radio and adjust the headphone level on the recorder. However not everybody coming in Will have the same level so in some ways you might be better off individually adjusting it on the radio. So long as you're not distorting the input and AtoD converter's. Unless use tape, tape has a wonderful built-in saturation compression. In post production you could normalize the audio file that should bring up the low and high bits to a relative level. to go further than that you could use some compression and that would help with the variation in levels..
Suggestion: It would be better if you could mount your camera on a fixed tripod instead of moving all over the place and use the pan-in feature. All professional photographers will mimic the same.
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA Hi Jerry, I learned that from a professional photographer and even used it when my son played hockey at 6 years old. Later on in life when he started to fly his Cessna airplane, I did the same and the videos came out beautiful. Give it a try. I think you will like it.
When do you record your ham radio conversations and why?
Satellite passes are commonly recorded because when you're in the field, you've got an antenna in one hand, a mic in the other and you're adjusting frequency on the fly to account for doppler. Logging comes later by reviewing the recording.
Jim Giercyk makes sense to me. I tried a simple SOTA vhf contact with a HT in one hand & an arrow beam in the other hand & it was nearly impossible to log & I had a fixed target. Couldn’t imagine trying to track a birdie & do that 👍🏻
Because technology! One day, as you log all of your qso’s for POTA into your computer... when you get home and go to export them, the computer crashes and you lose them all. Recording seems to be a smart idea. 🤷♂️ yes, this happened to me. 😤😭
Very timely subject...I was just discussing how to record both sides of a satellite pass while wearing a headset. Excellent demo.
Thanks Jim!
Great explanation of your set up there Jerry. I really liked the audio as well as the trip to Hoyt Peak. Thanks... 73
Thanks Scott and this video has someone take notice of those handy SideKX extended legs too 👍. They were directed to SideKX and I'm wondering when that knob will be available. I'll have to look into that 😀
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA I see my fabricator today or tomorrow regarding the new mold that is just completed to make the new knob in a two part mold one for the base in hard plastic and the other is the tire in a soft rubber for traction.
@@scottak6q406 Please keep me posted, offline is good too. Thanks!
THANK YOU!
No problem!
Great tips Jerry. Thanks for taking the time to make this video. With regards to your Heil Pro Micro Headset, do you use the one with the dynamic mike (no bias in KX2) or the Pro Micro IC (Bias on in KX2)? Just curious. Thanks and 73, George K2WO
Hey Georg I use the dynamic mic version (no bias in KX2) and love it actually. It's a little bulky for a guy who likes ultra light weight stuff, but has proven to be pretty sturdy.
Could this be done without the headset and just the stock mic on a yaesu ft 891?
Interesting - I assume when using CW, that it will record the sidetone when transmitting? When you're shooting the video, do you output the recorded audio to the camera input at the same time or do you mix during editing? I guess IOW, how do you mesh the recorded audio with your yt videos.
You should put an antenna or dummy load on the kx2 even with the power at 0.0 - I've read of people making contacts with an antenna connected while set to 0.0 because the rig was transmitting at mW levels...
The side-tone will be recorded just as the voice would under the MON feature. The MON allows you to hear yourself or the ST so it'll record it. I don't pipe into camera in the field instead that's done in post processing. I usually do a loud clap or with my loud voice Adobe Premier Pro is able to sync it all up perfectly. I basically drop the H1 audio file under the GoPro file and then select the two and hit sync audio and it's done. You can then turn the GoPro audio off if you like and you're left with the filtered H1 audio. In the video I linked, "Hoyt Mountain" you are hearing both the GoPro and H1 recordings simultaneously so you can see it does a great job synchronizing them. Ha, copy that on dummy load, and so far so good i guess. Even in the Elecraft manual I recall them suggesting practicing code with the power set to zero output with no antenna, but your point is well taken.
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA Video editing is way above my skill level tho I'd like to learn it someday. I'm lucky if I can get Lightroom to do what I want with stills. Yeah, better safe than sorry - these little KX radios are expensive little suckers...
hogdriver88 LR is my friend, so is Photoshop and Adobe Premier and the whole Adobe Suite 👍
Great question. I will also note that without the antenna would make "some" difference as that would add some gain but it would still be a good practice to use a load and not build the habit..
Instead of making separate recordings and splicing them together you could record everything simultaneously via 2 separate channels.
Great little recorder there, I can also recommend the Zoom H6 (up to 6 Channel) and the Zoom U-44 (albeit that’s more of a mixer)
The Zoom products are awesome and I almost bought the H6 but it was way more than I needed for field work. They work so well!
Jerry,
Does the recorder have a built-in clock, and if so, is the time the recording is taken recorded as well? When you play back the recording, the time the recording is taken is displayed?
If so, that would be damned helpful logging all the QSOs later on.
Don / W5DON
Nah it doesn't have one that would be captured on the audio file if that's what your asking but you can just add that verbally if you wanted to with each qso as part of the confirmed contact.
Most of the recorders I've seen of the better quality ones at least will have an internal clock and if the time is set this will timestamp the files as to when they were created and then it's a simple matter of math to figure out how far along in something is. This doesn't apply if you use an automatic setting to save space where it would pause under a certain level.
As far as time code no not less you get into the more expensive recorders, if you're trying to sync the audio with something else like the camera audio hopefully both devices have a reasonably accurate Clocking system to prevent drift.
Do folks who do sota also do qrp cw, ive seen videos as well of people trail running or hiking then doing qrp/cw both look so cool
Actually most of us are QRP operators and CW is a huge segment of operators on SOTA peaks. I choose SSB to help share the SOTA concepts with new people to ham radio or for hikers to see the benefits of having ham radio while in the wilderness.
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA i can see the whole qrp thing its the adventurous side of amateur radio. Its appealing more then plain amateur radio. Im reading that folks who qrp trail run and or get creative with qrp with the fitness aspect that looks like it would give me a rush to do
It’s a blast and has endless possibilities for fitness and technical challengers
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA lifting weight, cycling and running give me a rush im sure sota, qrp and cw radio will too
👍🏻👊🏻💪🏻
It's always best to get a clean signal as you can and if you can get direct access to the audio signal it's even better.
Another way to go about it would be to set the level on the radio and adjust the headphone level on the recorder. However not everybody coming in Will have the same level so in some ways you might be better off individually adjusting it on the radio. So long as you're not distorting the input and AtoD converter's.
Unless use tape, tape has a wonderful built-in saturation compression.
In post production you could normalize the audio file that should bring up the low and high bits to a relative level. to go further than that you could use some compression and that would help with the variation in levels..
Suggestion: It would be better if you could mount your camera on a fixed tripod instead of moving all over the place and use the pan-in feature. All professional photographers will mimic the same.
Thanks Woody
@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA Hi Jerry, I learned that from a professional photographer and even used it when my son played hockey at 6 years old. Later on in life when he started to fly his Cessna airplane, I did the same and the videos came out beautiful. Give it a try. I think you will like it.
My name is not You Tube.
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@@KG6HQDJerrySOTA :04 sec genius
Ok, thanks for the hot tip 🙄
Oh I see at 0:04 he says "hi UA-cam" but in a way that could be recognized as "hi I am UA-cam".