i honestly think you will be shocked how diffrent the list will be i dont assume you are very closely following tier 2 but some of these tier 2 players that are newly in are world class (including apeks 5th incredible tier 2 player that will show hes talent in tier 1)
Putting Apeks at "Good in region" when they not only don't have a completed roster is a bit suspect, I'll let you off though because Flor is the goat I think KOI has potential, in my opinion Grubinho had a pretty great year last year despite the team's struggles, Soulcas and Filu both looked good in tier 2 and Sheydos is a good enough role player for a top end team, will be interesting to see if it all comes together with Flyuh's IGLing I was personally very disappointed with Liquid's roster moves, I think Kamo was one of the main pieces holding KOI back last year, even weirder when I would've said Keiko was good enough on duelist last year, keeping him and picking up a new one, forcing him out of his best role is strange to me, Kamyk was a good pick-up though and I have no complaints about Patitek other than maybe there were better options GiantX is a confusing one, Purpo looked good last year, Cloud as an IGL could work I don't really know him well enough, runneR was clearly the weak link in a strong Vitality roster last year and tomaszy was wildly inconsistant on KC, westside was fine most of the year in challengers but did have a strong couple of games in Ascension Play-ins I think this Gentle Mates roster will suprise people because I think RobbieBK is a very good IGL and the rest of the team are expirienced in their respective roles, the only issue that I have is that both Minny and Kadavra have looked at their best on sentinel and obviously they won't be running double senti often if at all If the IGLing is good from Sayf on Vitality I find it hard to believe a roster this stacked with talent wouldn't make deep runs in international events
Putting M8 this low is crazy to me, like you said they played pretty good during the showmatch and then you literaly put them at the last place of the league while Apeks is in "good in region"... They didnt even finish their roster and you're already glazing Florescent ?! I mean this looks so biased but whatever I like when the expectations are low
@@rank1562 I agree that it doesn't mean they should be crazy high, but they should be higher than a team that doesn't even have their roster because we love NA so much
I really think people overestimate Vitality quite a LOT Like, they were pretty mid until stage 2 last year, and they haven't showed some crazy matches as far as I know in the offseason Same goes for heretics (even tho im a heretics fan) they haven't been able to show that much this offseason and teams who dont change their roster at all usually dont perform as well as the year prior.
Pretty much every team in Pacific(except GenG and PRX who were already at/towards the top of the league) has upgraded substantially. Plus u have wildcards like NS and Boom who genuinely are so unpredictable. Pacific almost certainly the most competitive league for 2025
M8s players are very good: click is an upcoming talent, minny was great in ascension, k4davra is a great player and is probably the best player on his team, robbieBK is a good IGL and zyppan is experienced with goked building this roster. i think it’s fair to say they’re better than apeks
I mean they didn't even end up really being contenders last year with the roster that won back to back now they've arguably gotten worse so I think that's fair
@@ChillOutEsports top 6 is definitely contenders. They literally beat G2 who everyone was putting at the top of AMER most of the year. Also if the teams are all competitive (aka anyone can win on the day) all teams who make it to champions are technically “contenders”.
I really hope Vitality live up to the high expectations. But if I'm being honest,this looks like 2024 NRG all over again. Big names,questionable leadership.
They were a good t2 team for 2 years straight with pretty different rosters 🤷♂️ and flor is at the very least a promising player so I'll take the optimistic route for them.
Nope. If anything the higher I rate them the more shit about flor I hear. Apeks is probably my hottest take in this video, but they were a good t2 team for 2 years straight with pretty different rosters so I'm at least hopeful whatever replacement they find will be a good choice but we will see.
M8 in mid and APK, Liquid in good ?
The KC hype is crazy
Drop them to either Mid or Good in region
i honestly think you will be shocked how diffrent the list will be i dont assume you are very closely following tier 2 but some of these tier 2 players that are newly in are world class (including apeks 5th incredible tier 2 player that will show hes talent in tier 1)
Putting Apeks at "Good in region" when they not only don't have a completed roster is a bit suspect, I'll let you off though because Flor is the goat
I think KOI has potential, in my opinion Grubinho had a pretty great year last year despite the team's struggles, Soulcas and Filu both looked good in tier 2 and Sheydos is a good enough role player for a top end team, will be interesting to see if it all comes together with Flyuh's IGLing
I was personally very disappointed with Liquid's roster moves, I think Kamo was one of the main pieces holding KOI back last year, even weirder when I would've said Keiko was good enough on duelist last year, keeping him and picking up a new one, forcing him out of his best role is strange to me, Kamyk was a good pick-up though and I have no complaints about Patitek other than maybe there were better options
GiantX is a confusing one, Purpo looked good last year, Cloud as an IGL could work I don't really know him well enough, runneR was clearly the weak link in a strong Vitality roster last year and tomaszy was wildly inconsistant on KC, westside was fine most of the year in challengers but did have a strong couple of games in Ascension Play-ins
I think this Gentle Mates roster will suprise people because I think RobbieBK is a very good IGL and the rest of the team are expirienced in their respective roles, the only issue that I have is that both Minny and Kadavra have looked at their best on sentinel and obviously they won't be running double senti often if at all
If the IGLing is good from Sayf on Vitality I find it hard to believe a roster this stacked with talent wouldn't make deep runs in international events
@@BT7835 holy yap
@@Al3xandrr k.
Putting M8 this low is crazy to me, like you said they played pretty good during the showmatch and then you literaly put them at the last place of the league while Apeks is in "good in region"... They didnt even finish their roster and you're already glazing Florescent ?! I mean this looks so biased but whatever I like when the expectations are low
Apeks remark is fine but just because M8 had one good ONE MAP PREFORMANCE why would that put them any more up in the tier list?
@@rank1562 I agree that it doesn't mean they should be crazy high, but they should be higher than a team that doesn't even have their roster because we love NA so much
@@fanta4155 who are you talking about that could apply to a lot of EMEA teams lol
@@rank1562 Brother only one team has an incomplete roster, not that hard
@@fanta4155 I’m assuming you’re talking about apeks but are they not rumoured to be brining in batunjax????
25 will be Exciting !!
I really think people overestimate Vitality quite a LOT
Like, they were pretty mid until stage 2 last year, and they haven't showed some crazy matches as far as I know in the offseason
Same goes for heretics (even tho im a heretics fan) they haven't been able to show that much this offseason and teams who dont change their roster at all usually dont perform as well as the year prior.
Pacific has the most competition
Ngl I’d argue americas has better competition
@@D4karai if u factor off season. no
Pretty much every team in Pacific(except GenG and PRX who were already at/towards the top of the league) has upgraded substantially. Plus u have wildcards like NS and Boom who genuinely are so unpredictable. Pacific almost certainly the most competitive league for 2025
heretics were trolling in that match
rip hoodie
M8s players are very good: click is an upcoming talent, minny was great in ascension, k4davra is a great player and is probably the best player on his team, robbieBK is a good IGL and zyppan is experienced with goked building this roster. i think it’s fair to say they’re better than apeks
putting fnatic not in international contenders is crazy
No leo, kaajak performance is concerning, it's fair in my point...
I mean they didn't even end up really being contenders last year with the roster that won back to back now they've arguably gotten worse so I think that's fair
@@ChillOutEsports top 6 is definitely contenders. They literally beat G2 who everyone was putting at the top of AMER most of the year. Also if the teams are all competitive (aka anyone can win on the day) all teams who make it to champions are technically “contenders”.
I really hope Vitality live up to the high expectations. But if I'm being honest,this looks like 2024 NRG all over again. Big names,questionable leadership.
APEKS good in region ? naaa FLOR HOPIUM lol
They were a good t2 team for 2 years straight with pretty different rosters 🤷♂️ and flor is at the very least a promising player so I'll take the optimistic route for them.
@@ChillOutEsports Yes. But with EMEA improving so much next year, I think they will be in mid.
Lets see tho!! 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Apeks crazy overrated will be bad tier for sure
4 man roster "good in region", scared people will hate on you for not rating flor
Nope. If anything the higher I rate them the more shit about flor I hear. Apeks is probably my hottest take in this video, but they were a good t2 team for 2 years straight with pretty different rosters so I'm at least hopeful whatever replacement they find will be a good choice but we will see.
Praying Heretics don’t win shit this year 🙏🙏🙏
0/10 ragebait