I largely agree. The point I would add is that while both models are in a way extremes ends, a well balanced society needs to be somewhere in the middle. As India moves along the path to prosperity it would be imperative for it to develop a more vibrant state based organizations. For China challenge is even bigger as it would need to challenge its people to grow beyond the boundaries it has so wilfully created. In fact based on my understanding, I almost feel this challenge is insurmountable.
BUddha was born in Nepal while his mother was on his trip to her brother who had residence in todays Nepal..BUddhas original home his fathers home was in India..
india had been rfuge for jews for 2000 years , parsis from iran for 1000 years, 5 million tibetians from last 50 years. now indian become refugee in india. but india is rich in empathy and love and compasion. it is nice to see 2000 years old refugees going back to their own countries. by the way when europeans came to india they chased the jews to jungles. and when islam came to india they try to chase parsis
Caijing's English website has about 10% of the information as the Chinese website. For starters, none of the videos are translated to english. I was thinking about translating some of them, fascinating videos on bank lending, real estate, micro-finance, history etc.
On the part where Mr.Khanna said that poor people vote for what is required in their immediate environment.Things are changing lately -2010 Bihar elections showed that even poor people have understood the fruits of growth n development and have voted for a Govt which efficiently brought the GDP growth rate of Bihar to 10%.In may elections in West Bengal similar thing is going to happen.People of West Bengal are going to remove the inefficient corrupt Govt ruling this state for last 34 years.
1 point re: Microfinance. I always thought the Microfinance industy invested nominal amounts of money for a high, theoretical return-on-investment on paper. Given that the input is solid, stable investors with large investors and stakeholders'; meanwhile the output part, the loan of individual risk is almost nothing re: nominal amounts, ... win-win sounds like. Unless all investors and stakeholders decide to quit at the same time. Catastrophe ... there's insurance for that.
thats how hinduism is able to survive all these years, it accepts better ideologies and capable of reshaping it self over the time.... the religion which tolerates other ideologies, grows.
India is right to side on the side of individual rights. I know it is hard to see that but the abuses that occur when courts start erring on the side of development ruin the things of the society that make it attractive byond markets. I am certainly in favor of economic growth but the abuses of emminent domain in the US are inexcusable and it is far better for the society overall to allow individuals to refuse to sell in the vast majority of cases.
Amazing insight. However,we should stop comparing countries like China, India and USA. Every country has its own culture and history and has to find solutions for its own problems. Of course, we can learn from each other. The opportunity in microfinancing in India and other developing countries stems from the fact that money lenders charge 20-30% per month and 20-30% interest rate per annum for hard-working people is like a Christmas or Diwali gift! We should also celebrate China's success!
'nptelhrd' Indian engineering program channel.. like MIT or Stanford's channels but 5x as many classes. you could get an education in engineering in several different branches on that channel alone.
the end does not justify the means. on the other hand, if the girl attacked me with a knife and tried murdering me, than its ok to stop her by killing her in self defense
India Conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border. As a Buddhist myself i would say that caste system is not a proble as its seen if watch media then we can also thik that pakistan is full of Talibanis allover..
@ajazaad there are sizable muslim and sikhist populations. jainism and buddhism (if you call it a religion) are there too. As india is becoming a part of the global community i'd assume every major religion is represented there.
Mr146880 , I understand tht Tibbet is ur lifeline but why we don't hold dialouge with him and find out a peaceful solution? Even without giving them independence , you can give them autonomy.
@slurpeeday .. The most tolerant people are athiest. This is true even if u look through history. To me this is probably the reason why India is naturally a tolerant nation.
Mr146880, China isn't our internal enemy. We have already started talks with separists groups in India like ULFA, NSCN etc. And offcourse we want to have talks with China -not bcoz they are strong enemy but bcoz they r our neighbour and we want good relation with every neighbour.
So this gentleman's idea to help emerging markets is to become the largest loan shark to the poor in India and China? He is well aware he will make indentured servants out of the "untouchables". FYI emerging markets is a thinly veiled code word for a poor country that has great potential to be financial exploited.
ever wondered what was common amongst those "small kingdoms"? Time didn't "start" after the British came to India. Read some history books. The British didn't paste anything. Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel did after India got independence in 1947. Again, read some books.
But, Pakistan cannot be blame for that..Pakistan is a Musilim Nation..where as a India opted Secularism..Being Secular country there is no question in discussing about the statistics....One more thing is that we are ruled majorly by one party since Independence which plays vote bank politics and gives undue support to muslims...
Which system works better, China's or India's? Just look at the stats. China has brought over 300 million people out of poverty and is putting a cap on its population growth using forced family planning. India on the other hand, has hundreds of millions in poverty and the faster the population grows, the situation will be worse.
Which one is better for which country? Just look at stats and the living standard of the people? Ask the people and you'll find the truth. US government approval rating 30%, China's gov. approval rating 80%. India's gov. approval rating = ? (not sure)
Yes, that is quite true. However, how can a country feed so many people? What kind of quality of life with most of the people have? I think it is fairly safe to say, if one has 1 loaf of bread, he/she would be full eating it. If he/she had to share it with 10 other people? Finally, what one calls "young" will eventually get "old". What will happen then? How will all those "old" people be taken care of. The US is facing the same challenge now. Social security is going bankrupt!!
India's population growth is a more natural one, it should peak at about 1.5 billion people ... but what it has achieved is a more youthful population, china with its forced population will see alot more elderely people before its economy has peaked which is actually disasterous.
@forgottenmemories63 do you not pay attention to anything. Chinese culture itself has always been one where the interest of the group is ahead of the individual. Look at what has happened to those Democratic countries you appear to like. Those countries claim to represent the people, but at what cost. Collapse of the economy, heavy debts etc. Communism never worked in Soviet Union simply because they were in a cold war with the USA, so their funds were used inefficiently.
NGO's itself stands for non governmental organization . How can they be getting their funds from the governement ? and the Christian groups have been growing because 1) Christian do believe in spreading thier religion.. a somewhat antiquated idea. 2) Hindu lower castes are still unable to escape discrimination under the caste system especially in rural areas (orissa ) converting to another more egalitarian religion gives them some hope . Not entirely the christian missionaries fault .
No. Colonialism has made them poor. Until 1700 AD there were nothing like hunger or famine in India. But it was the new economy and free trade made hindus and Muslims poorer. It was also the colonial malpractices of Divide and rule that developed communal and regional conflicts. be it India Pakistan, Bangladesh or Israel Palestine, Sudan Darfur, Sierra Leon, somalia or in south america it was colonial powers who created divides and conflicts.
you may be right, however, it is still presumptuous. there are pros & cons to a 2 party vs a 1 party state. each has its short comings & challenges. 2 party state: bickering, scheming, fighting to be elected 4-5 yrs, short-term focused, elected by the masses, Bush is one example of an idiot voted twice by idiots. 1 party state: corruption, abuse of power, non-transparent system of governance.
I wish Indian people such as Tarun Khanna would stop lumping China with India. They are extremely different on myriad levels. If Tarun wants to brag about India, just talk about India. No need to mention China. Nobody in China will feel one bit slighted for the non-mention.
I am not impressed with GDP growth or skyscrapers. I look at Human Developmental Index (HDI) that tells me whether the gains of growth are reaching the poorest. China and India both are poorly placed. As per 2011 figures, China is at 101th while India is at 134th place. China has meritocracy in its governance despite the fact that there is limited personal freedom there. India seems to have a chaotic democracy with a lot of freedom with little responsibility. Indian rulers are very corrupt.
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Bull shit discussion....! Tarun might be good at Economics.. but his knowledge on India is very poor... he looks at India from skyscrapers and board rooms and hence his lopsided view... Political/economic analysts in regional IndiaN TV MUCH BETTER
@anwarsadat You remain as usual a Jahil Pakistani,CENSUS is being conducted in India from late 1800s,so how can you say the muslim population of India was 10% circa 1600.
1 point re: Microfinance. I always thought the Microfinance industy invested nominal amounts of money for a high, theoretical return-on-investment on paper. Given that the input is solid, stable investors with large inestors and stakeholders'; meanwhile the output part, the loan of individual risk is almost nothing re: nominal amounts, ... win-win sounds like. Unless all inestors and stakeholders decide to quit at the same time. Catastrophe ... there's insurance for that.
agreed. i think "the individual" is more important to an economy than it's big corporations because most innovation comes from "the individual".
The Indians will benefit in the long run. All comes down the individual. They have made great strides in short time. Give more time and you will see.
I largely agree. The point I would add is that while both models are in a way extremes ends, a well balanced society needs to be somewhere in the middle. As India moves along the path to prosperity it would be imperative for it to develop a more vibrant state based organizations. For China challenge is even bigger as it would need to challenge its people to grow beyond the boundaries it has so wilfully created. In fact based on my understanding, I almost feel this challenge is insurmountable.
BUddha was born in Nepal while his mother was on his trip to her brother who had residence in todays Nepal..BUddhas original home his fathers home was in India..
india had been rfuge for jews for 2000 years , parsis from iran for 1000 years, 5 million tibetians from last 50 years. now indian become refugee in india. but india is rich in empathy and love and compasion. it is nice to see 2000 years old refugees going back to their own countries. by the way when europeans came to india they chased the jews to jungles. and when islam came to india they try to chase parsis
I agree most of the truly intelligent videos are not watched its great to be able to subscribe to these channels
amazing so interesting and so exciting that this is happening wonderful lecture
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Caijing's English website has about 10% of the information as the Chinese website. For starters, none of the videos are translated to english. I was thinking about translating some of them, fascinating videos on bank lending, real estate, micro-finance, history etc.
On the part where Mr.Khanna said that poor people vote for what is required in their immediate environment.Things are changing lately -2010 Bihar elections showed that even poor people have understood the fruits of growth n development and have voted for a Govt which efficiently brought the GDP growth rate of Bihar to 10%.In may elections in West Bengal similar thing is going to happen.People of West Bengal are going to remove the inefficient corrupt Govt ruling this state for last 34 years.
Religious ideologies mostly and cultural as well..
1 point re: Microfinance.
I always thought the Microfinance industy invested nominal amounts of money for a high, theoretical return-on-investment on paper. Given that the input is solid, stable investors with large investors and stakeholders'; meanwhile the output part, the loan of individual risk is almost nothing re: nominal amounts, ... win-win sounds like. Unless all investors and stakeholders decide to quit at the same time. Catastrophe ... there's insurance for that.
INDIAN PEOPLE ROCK
thats how hinduism is able to survive all these years, it accepts better ideologies and capable of reshaping it self over the time.... the religion which tolerates other ideologies, grows.
Very Interesting
India is right to side on the side of individual rights. I know it is hard to see that but the abuses that occur when courts start erring on the side of development ruin the things of the society that make it attractive byond markets. I am certainly in favor of economic growth but the abuses of emminent domain in the US are inexcusable and it is far better for the society overall to allow individuals to refuse to sell in the vast majority of cases.
Amazing insight. However,we should stop comparing countries like China, India and USA. Every country has its own culture and history and has to find solutions for its own problems. Of course, we can learn from each other.
The opportunity in microfinancing in India and other developing countries stems from the fact that money lenders charge 20-30% per month and 20-30% interest rate per annum for hard-working people is like a Christmas or Diwali gift!
We should also celebrate China's success!
'nptelhrd' Indian engineering program channel.. like MIT or Stanford's channels but 5x as many classes.
you could get an education in engineering in several different branches on that channel alone.
the end does not justify the means. on the other hand, if the girl attacked me with a knife and tried murdering me, than its ok to stop her by killing her in self defense
Interesting
Again, it is acutally more democracy that may hold India back, and it is less freedom/democracy in China that is fueling its growth.
I have to agree with u , Hinduism is a very tolerant religion.. sometime i think its a little too tolerant for its own well being.
I am not from America. And Buddha was Nepalese, which is more close to Tibet than India.
India Conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.
As a Buddhist myself i would say that caste system is not a proble as its seen if watch media then we can also thik that pakistan is full of Talibanis allover..
@ajazaad there are sizable muslim and sikhist populations. jainism and buddhism (if you call it a religion) are there too. As india is becoming a part of the global community i'd assume every major religion is represented there.
Mr146880 , I understand tht Tibbet is ur lifeline but why we don't hold dialouge with him and find out a peaceful solution?
Even without giving them independence , you can give them autonomy.
they actually sell a book
Hi can u suggest some good channels please !
@slurpeeday .. The most tolerant people are athiest. This is true even if u look through history. To me this is probably the reason why India is naturally a tolerant nation.
thank you :)
Mr146880, China isn't our internal enemy. We have already started talks with separists groups in India like ULFA, NSCN etc. And offcourse we want to have talks with China -not bcoz they are strong enemy but bcoz they r our neighbour and we want good relation with every neighbour.
and setting itself up for political instability in the future with a one party state.
So this gentleman's idea to help emerging markets is to become the largest loan shark to the poor in India and China? He is well aware he will make indentured servants out of the "untouchables". FYI emerging markets is a thinly veiled code word for a poor country that has great potential to be financial exploited.
ever wondered what was common amongst those "small kingdoms"? Time didn't "start" after the British came to India. Read some history books.
The British didn't paste anything. Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel did after India got independence in 1947. Again, read some books.
But, Pakistan cannot be blame for that..Pakistan is a Musilim Nation..where as a India opted Secularism..Being Secular country there is no question in discussing about the statistics....One more thing is that we are ruled majorly by one party since Independence which plays vote bank politics and gives undue support to muslims...
Nice lecture
I am afraid Buddha was Nepalese, not Indian. Sorry for your disappointment about the Indian cultural dominance theory.
@stephentsang2000 usa wasnt a colony like india .quite different in the origin, organisation and treatment . if it was a religio
Which system works better, China's or India's? Just look at the stats. China has brought over 300 million people out of poverty and is putting a cap on its population growth using forced family planning. India on the other hand, has hundreds of millions in poverty and the faster the population grows, the situation will be worse.
Tibet wants freedom??that's not the issue with tibet enways..It just wants to preserve it's culture and you guys don't want to do let it be..
Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan and even USA were colonies. Colonialism is a pretext. It's religion.
Buddha was born in Nepal but his father origined from present India..So Buddha is Indian not nepalsese...
Which one is better for which country?
Just look at stats and the living standard of the people? Ask the people and you'll find the truth. US government approval rating 30%, China's gov. approval rating 80%. India's gov. approval rating = ? (not sure)
@eleven451 you think democracy is holding back India? Just look how damn big USA,with freedom/democracy..
Yes, that is quite true. However, how can a country feed so many people? What kind of quality of life with most of the people have? I think it is fairly safe to say, if one has 1 loaf of bread, he/she would be full eating it. If he/she had to share it with 10 other people?
Finally, what one calls "young" will eventually get "old". What will happen then? How will all those "old" people be taken care of. The US is facing the same challenge now. Social security is going bankrupt!!
he wasn't a Chinese.... refer history....
Tarun...Mumbai belongs to those fishermen & not people who live in high rise ...so, people who believe in throwing them out should be thrown out.
India's population growth is a more natural one, it should peak at about 1.5 billion people ... but what it has achieved is a more youthful population, china with its forced population will see alot more elderely people before its economy has peaked which is actually disasterous.
@forgottenmemories63 do you not pay attention to anything. Chinese culture itself has always been one where the interest of the group is ahead of the individual. Look at what has happened to those Democratic countries you appear to like. Those countries claim to represent the people, but at what cost. Collapse of the economy, heavy debts etc. Communism never worked in Soviet Union simply because they were in a cold war with the USA, so their funds were used inefficiently.
Gurkhas are mongol tribe such Thapa mager, Rai, Lama, Tamang, Limbu, Gurung etc. so first investigate and write comments.
NGO's itself stands for non governmental organization . How can they be getting their funds from the governement ?
and the Christian groups have been growing because
1) Christian do believe in spreading thier religion.. a somewhat antiquated idea.
2) Hindu lower castes are still unable to escape discrimination under the caste system especially in rural areas (orissa ) converting to another more egalitarian religion gives them some hope .
Not entirely the christian missionaries fault .
No. Colonialism has made them poor. Until 1700 AD there were nothing like hunger or famine in India. But it was the new economy and free trade made hindus and Muslims poorer. It was also the colonial malpractices of Divide and rule that developed communal and regional conflicts. be it India Pakistan, Bangladesh or Israel Palestine, Sudan Darfur, Sierra Leon, somalia or in south america it was colonial powers who created divides and conflicts.
i do not understand all these econ shits can someone translate?
You cant transform the message of Buddhism into somthing else otherwise it would not be Buddhism.
you may be right, however, it is still presumptuous. there are pros & cons to a 2 party vs a 1 party state. each has its short comings & challenges. 2 party state: bickering, scheming, fighting to be elected 4-5 yrs, short-term focused, elected by the masses, Bush is one example of an idiot voted twice by idiots. 1 party state: corruption, abuse of power, non-transparent system of governance.
I wish Indian people such as Tarun Khanna would stop lumping China with India. They are extremely different on myriad levels. If Tarun wants to brag about India, just talk about India. No need to mention China. Nobody in China will feel one bit slighted for the non-mention.
Peace or not, there is one thing in common. Both Muslims and Hindus are poor.
I am not impressed with GDP growth or skyscrapers. I look at Human Developmental Index (HDI) that tells me whether the gains of growth are reaching the poorest. China and India both are poorly placed. As per 2011 figures, China is at 101th while India is at 134th place. China has meritocracy in its governance despite the fact that there is limited personal freedom there. India seems to have a chaotic democracy with a lot of freedom with little responsibility. Indian rulers are very corrupt.
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ever heard of akbar, chandragupta maurya, ashoka... sorry mate, learn something..
Oh really... why dont u come with the response video showing ur f*cking talent...???
Lol, you are jealous! hehehe.....
Bull shit discussion....! Tarun might be good at Economics.. but his knowledge on India is very poor... he looks at India from skyscrapers and board rooms and hence his lopsided view... Political/economic analysts in regional IndiaN TV MUCH BETTER
@anwarsadat You remain as usual a Jahil Pakistani,CENSUS is being conducted in India from late 1800s,so how can you say the muslim population of India was 10% circa 1600.
1 point re: Microfinance.
I always thought the Microfinance industy invested nominal amounts of money for a high, theoretical return-on-investment on paper. Given that the input is solid, stable investors with large inestors and stakeholders'; meanwhile the output part, the loan of individual risk is almost nothing re: nominal amounts, ... win-win sounds like. Unless all inestors and stakeholders decide to quit at the same time. Catastrophe ... there's insurance for that.