*Update* She has been charged with insulting religion, inciting hatred and showing contempt for religious beliefs. Her sentence is 15 days in Jail. news.bbc.co.uk/...
Foreversending, I'm not sure how clear the law in Sudan was on this subject... First of all, the students named the bear, not the teacher. Secondly, it's unclear how even if the teacher had named it, that would amount to "insulting Islam and inciting violence."
"I aggree with everything xJediHoweieX says but i also aggree with you narcoleptus" -Dwarf250 I agree with Dwarf250, but I disagree with xJediHoweieX and narcoleptus.
Let me just qualify what you say. The majority of Muslims who condemn this action, only condemn it because Mrs Gibbons did not mean to insult the Prophet. These same people would not show support if she had meant to insult the Prophet, as I did.
Yeh, I feel the same, its hard! but I'm concerned for that poor woman! The Sudanese authorities have no control or power over their Islamic extremists and their lynch mobs! Responsible muslims, throughout the world should demand her release immediately!
Travers54:Yes, I support freedom of speech. However, that freedom should not be abused, nor exploited to advocate hatred or violence against a discriminated minority group. The holocaust is an unequivocal verification as to what happens, if freedom of speech is unlimited. A person's right, their freedom to go about their business, without being subjected to daily abuse, ridicule or violence is far greater than a person's right to express that abuse...
She shouldn't of even been teaching in North Sudan she should of went to the south and help the kids that really need it not the Unity High school wealthy kids
I have never hurt a Muslim in my life. I lived in Saudi for 15 years. Making a video like this cannot compete with what Muslim extremists are doing.... Don't you dare compare me to those people. Now, you avoided my question......What does Islam say to do if a Muslim(me) insults the Prophet. No "Al-takiya" please.
If only a small group of extremists get upset over insulting Mohamed......I have a challenge for you. Go to any Muslim country you like and publicly insult Prophet Muhammad and see if you come back unharmed. Don't play games or do "Al-takiya" with me.....I told you, I have lived in Saudi, Egypt, Bahrain for decades.....I would be killed or punished for my views on Religion and YOU KNOW THIS.
Thankqwerty. How on earth could this teddy bear nonsense come about without the Religious influence?? It couldn't. With Religion any stupidity or insanity can be justified.
And I don't think Religion can be eradicated, but we can at least stop religious laws and we can stop electing leaders who subscribe to Religious dogmas. e.g. Bush.
I am outraged but not surprised at the reaction of these damned diaper heads! I find it difficult to have feeling's for Mrs. Gibbons when she has no business being there in the first place. I know she mean't well, but some people you just can't help.
Everything is more or less a political motive. In the west political motives are also disquised. But letting religion count as a reason for something is like giving a free pass to politicians. The people in the middle east certainly didn't understand that this is a political motive. And far worse things than this teddy bear thing have happened becource of religion.
She only got away because she is british. A Sudanese man insulted Prophet Mohamed would be beaten or killed. According to Islamic Law people who attack or fight Islam should be killed.
this is true, however, this is not the way christianity works today. There are no nations anymore where the word of the bible is law. Christianity has been modernized, so to speak. This is not the case with islam.
There is always someone being abused by islamosacists narco. Remaining silent will only set a precedent and ultimately prolong these kind of injustices. We need to nip it in the bud. They have to learn that they don't have a right not to be offended.
"Nothing to do with Religion" The denial is amazing. You contradict yourself when you say Humans are the problem, not Religion. Religion is man-made and therefore part of the human problem.
@1shafiq1 Yeah, you're not a hate speaking person or anything. I personally can't stand any of the big religions around today because of their complete ignorance and lack of actual proof. To think that people would put suck a selfless person through so much fear and pain out of religious absolutism is why I turned away from religion. The militant nature of many Muslims toward these matters is what makes a holy war feel inevitable.
The same thing might have happened there too. But, surely she was completely innocent. If they are so conserned about people redeculing the muslim prophet, they should not make a spectacle that encourages people to name their pets Mohamed. I mean someone even started selling Mohamed teddybears.
sanandrea. You can insult Jesus in the west, it's no problem. We have movies, TV series, documentaries, nobody goes to jail for this in the west, unlike in Muslim countries. It's called freedom, an alien concept to Islam(submission). Yes there are crazy Christians who will kill atheists in the west....but at least it is illegal. Why do I insult Islam? Amazing you even have to ask...... If you think Islam is even near perfect, your mind is twisted.
We have a responsibility to get her out safely would you not agree! ..or are you willing to sacrifice her for the sake of 'The fight against Fascism' Apart from the 40 lashes and 6months inside a stinking prison there's a real danger of an angry mob storming the police station and lynching her! Try and see it from Gillian Gibbons point of view, put yourself in her shoes!
This doesn't help Gillian Gibbons, as well intentioned as it may be, showing a pic of her and following that with the cartoon depicted is simply going to inflame the situation and this won't help her at all. You don't put out a fire by throwing petrol on it! ...and I'm certain Gillian Gibbons would want you too take it down! .....Please think about it!
Very easy for you to say when you live in a SECULAR country like Canada. I doubt you would say anything if you lived in Sudan. I don't blame you. You would be next in line for the whip
Yeah, you're not a hate speaking person or anything. I personally can't stand any of the big religions around today because of their complete ignorance and lack of actual proof. To think that people would put suck a selfless person through so much fear and pain out of religious absolutism is why I turned away from religion. The militant nature of many Muslims toward these matters is what makes a holy war feel inevitable.
couldn't agree more Will. But how is islam different from christianity? I am still haunted by the idea of george bush and tony blair praying together. tally up the figures, you'll find that more people have been tortured and murdered for daring to question christ's infinite love for them, than those who have suffered the same at the hands of islamists.
"You don't know much about the life of Muhammed do you?" Unlike you, xJediHowieX, I am acquainted with the events of Prophets Muhammad's life and your claims are spurious nonsense. PS: before you ask, I am not a Muslim myself.
The old gall is inadvertently doing us all a huge favour by debunking one of the greatest falsehoods of the 21st century; I.E islam is peace and tolerance and non-violent,,,, my arse it is...She's a hero,, peace be upon her!
I think this video should be flagged for its fatuous, vacuous Islamophia nonsense. Yes, whilst we all condemn her imprisonment, it does not justify this level of hatred!
She was a former headteacher of my school :O Happy 80th birthday Dovecot School
you can move it over to the other video a few days before the project ends ^^
He was kicked out. They are finally learning.
Foreversending,
I'm not sure how clear the law in Sudan was on this subject... First of all, the students named the bear, not the teacher. Secondly, it's unclear how even if the teacher had named it, that would amount to "insulting Islam and inciting violence."
"I aggree with everything xJediHoweieX says but i also aggree with you narcoleptus"
-Dwarf250
I agree with Dwarf250, but I disagree with xJediHoweieX and narcoleptus.
"becoz ppl are still stupid, weak and greed"
Religion takes these human qualities and runs with them.
Free that lady! She named the bear after one her students! The student told the authorities about it!
If naming a toy bear Muhammad is "making an image" of Muhammad, then I would think naming one's child Muhammad would be the same.
What is any educated person doing within 500 miles of Sudan!
Let me just qualify what you say. The majority of Muslims who condemn this action, only condemn it because Mrs Gibbons did not mean to insult the Prophet. These same people would not show support if she had meant to insult the Prophet, as I did.
Yeh, I feel the same, its hard! but I'm concerned for that poor woman!
The Sudanese authorities have no control or power over their Islamic extremists and their lynch mobs!
Responsible muslims, throughout the world should demand her release immediately!
Travers54:Yes, I support freedom of speech. However, that freedom should not be abused, nor exploited to advocate hatred or violence against a discriminated minority group. The holocaust is an unequivocal verification as to what happens, if freedom of speech is unlimited. A person's right, their freedom to go about their business, without being subjected to daily abuse, ridicule or violence is far greater than a person's right to express that abuse...
What? Did you really call ME a racist? For what, if I may ask?
I made it clear that she was innocent of insulting Islam.
She shouldn't of even been teaching in North Sudan she should of went to the south and help the kids that really need it not the Unity High school wealthy kids
I have never hurt a Muslim in my life. I lived in Saudi for 15 years.
Making a video like this cannot compete with what Muslim extremists are doing.... Don't you dare compare me to those people.
Now, you avoided my question......What does Islam say to do if a Muslim(me) insults the Prophet. No "Al-takiya" please.
If only a small group of extremists get upset over insulting Mohamed......I have a challenge for you. Go to any Muslim country you like and publicly insult Prophet Muhammad and see if you come back unharmed.
Don't play games or do "Al-takiya" with me.....I told you, I have lived in Saudi, Egypt, Bahrain for decades.....I would be killed or punished for my views on Religion and YOU KNOW THIS.
Thankqwerty. How on earth could this teddy bear nonsense come about without the Religious influence?? It couldn't.
With Religion any stupidity or insanity can be justified.
And I don't think Religion can be eradicated, but we can at least stop religious laws and we can stop electing leaders who subscribe to Religious dogmas.
e.g. Bush.
I am outraged but not surprised at the reaction of these damned diaper heads! I find it difficult to have feeling's for Mrs. Gibbons when she has no business being there in the first place. I know she mean't well, but some people you just can't help.
What about me? Would you allow me to make this video?
Everything is more or less a political motive. In the west political motives are also disquised. But letting religion count as a reason for something is like giving a free pass to politicians. The people in the middle east certainly didn't understand that this is a political motive. And far worse things than this teddy bear thing have happened becource of religion.
"believing in Islam in itself is irrational."
Sure....but if you do believe in Islam......
You are not allowed to make an image of muhammad in Islam. That's why they were so upset about the cartoons.
I am guilty of insulting the Prophet Muhammed. Should I be punished?
She only got away because she is british. A Sudanese man insulted Prophet Mohamed would be beaten or killed. According to Islamic Law people who attack or fight Islam should be killed.
this is true, however, this is not the way christianity works today. There are no nations anymore where the word of the bible is law. Christianity has been modernized, so to speak. This is not the case with islam.
There is always someone being abused by islamosacists narco. Remaining silent will only set a precedent and ultimately prolong these kind of injustices. We need to nip it in the bud. They have to learn that they don't have a right not to be offended.
"Nothing to do with Religion"
The denial is amazing.
You contradict yourself when you say Humans are the problem, not Religion. Religion is man-made and therefore part of the human problem.
Yes kurtilein I was thinking about doing that, but I will get more views if I put it as a response to Pat. Take care bro.
I insulted the Prophet Muhammad in this video.
What does Islam say should happen to me?
No "Al-takiya" please.
It's not irrational, if you believe in Islam....
The Jews and Christians are only now under control because of Secularism.
Muhammad was given God's final revelation. It is unalterable.
@1shafiq1
Yeah, you're not a hate speaking person or anything. I personally can't stand any of the big religions around today because of their complete ignorance and lack of actual proof. To think that people would put suck a selfless person through so much fear and pain out of religious absolutism is why I turned away from religion. The militant nature of many Muslims toward these matters is what makes a holy war feel inevitable.
The same thing might have happened there too. But, surely she was completely innocent. If they are so conserned about people redeculing the muslim prophet, they should not make a spectacle that encourages people to name their pets Mohamed. I mean someone even started selling Mohamed teddybears.
Who said so?
To be more accurate, Fascism.
sanandrea. You can insult Jesus in the west, it's no problem. We have movies, TV series, documentaries, nobody goes to jail for this in the west, unlike in Muslim countries. It's called freedom, an alien concept to Islam(submission). Yes there are crazy Christians who will kill atheists in the west....but at least it is illegal.
Why do I insult Islam? Amazing you even have to ask...... If you think Islam is even near perfect, your mind is twisted.
INCIVILIZED SUDAN.
Lets hope people don't believe it forever.
Let's hope Mecca becomes
"Disney's magic Kingdom of Allah"
Thank you Dan Dennett. :D
@MrKir333 lolololol
many thanks Infidel. :D
We have a responsibility to get her out safely would you not agree!
..or are you willing to sacrifice her for the sake of 'The fight against Fascism'
Apart from the 40 lashes and 6months inside a stinking prison there's a real danger of an angry mob storming the police station and lynching her!
Try and see it from Gillian Gibbons point of view, put yourself in her shoes!
This doesn't help Gillian Gibbons, as well intentioned as it may be, showing a pic of her and following that with the cartoon depicted is simply going to inflame the situation and this won't help her at all.
You don't put out a fire by throwing petrol on it!
...and I'm certain Gillian Gibbons would want you too take it down!
.....Please think about it!
Very easy for you to say when you live in a SECULAR country like Canada. I doubt you would say anything if you lived in Sudan. I don't blame you. You would be next in line for the whip
I'll be very happy to demand this right here. But I would be an awful lot happier to see Muslims posting here joining us in this demand.
I wonder how many ex-muslims have changed their name? Would kinda suck to be called Muhammed. It's like being called Adolf. :)
The kid chose the name, not her. Anyway what's your point?....Do you support punishment for Mrs Gibbons?
I will not alter my behavior for a single second to appease fascists. You surrender if you want.
Yeah, you're not a hate speaking person or anything. I personally can't stand any of the big religions around today because of their complete ignorance and lack of actual proof. To think that people would put suck a selfless person through so much fear and pain out of religious absolutism is why I turned away from religion. The militant nature of many Muslims toward these matters is what makes a holy war feel inevitable.
couldn't agree more Will. But how is islam different from christianity? I am still haunted by the idea of george bush and tony blair praying together. tally up the figures, you'll find that more people have been tortured and murdered for daring to question christ's infinite love for them, than those who have suffered the same at the hands of islamists.
What does Islam say to do to people who insult the Prophet?
They can't protest. They will be next in line for the whip.
"You don't know much about the life of Muhammed do you?"
Unlike you, xJediHowieX, I am acquainted with the events of Prophets Muhammad's life and your claims are spurious nonsense. PS: before you ask, I am not a Muslim myself.
The old gall is inadvertently doing us all a huge favour by debunking one of the greatest falsehoods of the 21st century; I.E islam is peace and tolerance and non-violent,,,, my arse it is...She's a hero,, peace be upon her!
I think this video should be flagged for its fatuous, vacuous Islamophia nonsense. Yes, whilst we all condemn her imprisonment, it does not justify this level of hatred!
You don't know much about the life of Muhammed do you?
You can dl the soundtrack on the documentary website.
Please read "Prophet Of Doom" by Craig Winn. If you have not read it, do so. It will give you more insight. Have your bookstore order it.
Would you like to see me killed for this video?
i dont think the 15 day jail sentence was all that bad but deporting her to Liverpool was a bit strong
Apply that Logic to those who apposed Hitler.
The teddy bear was named after the boy whose name is Muhammad. Nothing to do with the Prophet.
I thought Muhammad was not an uncommon name among muslims. It's just a toy bear.
Just out of curiosity, who does represent islam?
ms gillian is teaching in our school
She is my teacher!
keep it coming..
FREE GIBBONS!
Amen to that!