I'm one of those who would like Sam to sing like before. But you have to understand something. He is a human being, not a robot, and this style of music begins to take its toll on your body and voice after so many years of shows, albums, tours, etc. Besides trying to market their music more these days one of the other reasons they do it is trying to find more comfort for Sam's voice. We already had enough of him in his best days of pure metalcore, now they give us what they can trying to sound like Architects, let's be realHe is one of the few who has managed to keep that raspy scream super high with those notes for so many years.
100% agree. What's important to me now is that they've immortalized the insane things he did during his prime. We can always go back to it.
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All I can say is that when he sang back in May in Boston his voice was on point so he is 100% tired. Hopefully he takes care of himself and they get to rest for a bit.
The only moment I enjoyed from this shitty live performance. I'm an Architects fan since 2010 but this live is horrible. Sam vocals are so weak, sound recording is bad, stage presence is lame ... I know people are touring a lot and everyone can be tired some day ... I hope they will put better live show in the future
Here's my 2 cents as a vocal nerd: 1. Their music in general is really tough to perform - it can be done safely with good technique, but it's a HEAVY workout. 2. Voices can change over time. It's been almost 8 years since All Our Gods Have Abandoned Us. That's more time than there was between Hollow Crown and All Our Gods Have Abandoned Us. 3. They play hourlong sets - when I saw them in Munich they played 25 songs. That's hard for vocalists and nearly impossible if you're going 100% on every show. If you wanna go 100%, you need more rest days or shorter sets. That might also be why the Royal Albert Hall sessions were so amazing - because he didn't have to perform the next day so he could just go all out. TL, DR: Not going 100% on every song, every night and adapting as your voice naturally changes is a healthy choice, if you wanna maintain a workable voice as a performer. (Also Josh was elite on guitar and backing vocals sicne he is an experienced frontman himself. Of course it's gonna be tough to fill those shoes.)
I kinda share your opinion on that. From what I've heard over the past years, Sam has some difficulties with some types of vocals (mainly the old ones) but the way he adapts and find new techniques and hit different notes, sometimes even more difficult, is fascinating to me
I love how you called Josh an Elite guitarist, cause he is, and so Tom was. That makes me think of the signature Architects kinda used to have and that’s the complex guitar work. A job only Elite guitarists like Tom and Josh could get done. I guess the band’s going to remain with that position empty.
@@alejandrorohen they have to invite some music genius at least on the album sessions. Someone super-creative like Jon Deiley from Northlane, because what they need is to re-establish themselves.
@@nosferhatu Phil Bozeman doesn't do the kind of pitched screams Sam does though. Phil's obviously incredible. His style of screaming is just mechanically different, because it rarely relies on a sung pitch being produced by the true vocal folds as much as Sam's vocal do.
His screams in this are surprisingly bad. But they have been on tour for a bit, so giving him the benefit of the doubt. I know when I saw em here in Myrtle Beach they were 10x over better couple months back. Almost sounds like he didn’t warm up his highs?
I think this would be amazing!! However my only complaint is that they played nothing from LF//LT… best album imo! But this still smacked, would love to see them live!🖤 he does sound like Bryan Garris from Knocked Loose when he does his highs.. not a bad thing lol
They headlined on that Friday night before that Saturday at Full Force and it didn't seem as bad. Maybe I was drunk in the pit. Anyway, this less than 24h after a big headlining show. I guess one can still expect more, but maybe that's why?
Their show in Antwerp was better in my opinion. It was a shame they were on the same slot with Brutus.... but looking at the video and since I went to their show in Antwerp, I'm glad I saw Brutus
His cleans are amazing and all those sorts of screaming, I don't know what you guys talk about, it seems like we have a lot of vocal coaches in the comments, you giys have no idea what you're talking about
Seems like they are following bmth path. I mean: High note helped as jordan fish used to do Scream parts replaced with high vocals But the first track, with that chorus, too similar to bmth
3 points of of 10. 1 for clean singing, 1 for professionalism, 1 for ambiance. 0 for metal feeling. This is no metal band at all. No feeling only noise. Seriously overrated.
man how far have they fallen... 2013 feels like forever ago... they along with Northlane used to be my favorites at least Northlane still makes quality music.
Holy fuck what an awful set list. I so wish they’d just started a new band with a new name after holy hell. Fair enough to them for cracking on and trying something new but it’s just not architects.
@@Oryyyt Yeah, the very first pit really set the tone. Pretty vicious, I've never really had an issue with falling down / getting knocked over in pits and I it happened 3 times to me during this gig. Not surprised someone got hurt, but glad to hear he's doing okay!
@@dennismaes6319 That sounds like a good time actually. I wouldn't mind a bruise or 2 in an Architects set. But it's nice that they care enough to halt when the fun gets a bit out of hand.
@@dennismaes6319 there was an older women in front of me who didn’t wanna get in the pit so I just pulled her behind me, I don’t remember clearly what happened after her. Just that I ended in the ambulance. I’m glad the woman is okay too, the pit was unexpected that it suddenly grew like that too. Usually I’m a fan of mosh pits too.
I fucking love this band and Sam is an amazing vocalist, always thought that. I started listening to them in 2018 right before holy hell dropped which in my opinion is one of the best metalcore albums I’ve ever heard. Sadly I couldn’t see them back then because I was too young (16) so I saw them for the first time last year on their Germany tour. Show was amazing, crowd was amazing, everything was on point. But now? Sounds like they need some time off. Don’t get me wrong, I also love their newer stuff but holy fuck back in 2019 I couldn’t believe what kind of sounds and screams sam could do, it was crazy as hell. Please get some rest, you guys really deserve it!
I can even recommend you to watch the newer show at Berlin in 2023. Despite Sam's vocals in 2018-2019 was really sick, in this show he was literally perfect: heavy distortion on screams and stable cleans. ua-cam.com/video/KTEF3ogef8w/v-deo.htmlsi=le7snOtVBJNOEEsC
Holy Hell was their last absolute belter album in my opinion. Man, that 3 album mid discography run of Lost forever // lost together, All our gods and Holy hell is GOAT’d.
@@georgebrett1738 agreed. But, you now, my first album to listen was FTTWTE. I listened to Tom trilogy only after that in the beginning of 2022, and then I listened to their whole discography without first two albums. So now, after countless listens of all their stuff I still surely say that FTTWE was really good continuing of Holy Hell, despite changing a genre and changing a sound it has really interesting ideas and elements that we could already see on Holy Hell. Discourse is Dead was even written in the HH era
I was at Tom's last show in Nuremberg. I've also seen them dozens of times live. I completely agree with what you say. Tom was the one who set the creative direction for the band. He had amazing ideas and the ability to bring them to life. He was the one who created “Architects tone” and brought 6th string Mayonaise to the table. He was the foundation, the basement for the band! Josh became a solid replacement. He was able to finish Tom's trilogy and bring some interesting ideas to the new albums. However, despite being one of the best guitarists on the technical side of things, Josh failed to create a new direction for Architects, and that's when he left. What can I say, after Josh's departure Architects completely lost the quality side of the band. The riffs are half-finished, the live sound is mediocre, and Sam's voice is in bad shape. I don't even know if he cares because in my opinion he doesn't. Architects are really stagnant right now. Maybe Fish's genius can pull them back together, but I doubt it. Architects desperately needs a leader. A good one.
As a huge, huge Architects fan... this band is a shadow of it's former self. What is that "screaming"?? What is that setlist? Really sad to see what they've become.
@@inspektorgadget1129 well Sam is getting older, and his screaming style is very demanding. Performing day after day kills his voice if he tries to replicate studio quality
I'm gonna see architects on brutal assault in august and i'm already dissapointed... what the hell is wrong with Sam's vocals and the back vocalist? When he sang in Abbey road or in Royal Albert Hall he was incredible, and it was only 3 years ago, what's going on?
It just seems like he can't handle his screams and mixes here (Hereafter as a great example). Cleans are decent but his new style that has a completely different vibe from the studio version... Nah. Every "bleeding out like a devil in disguise" phrase in Giving Blood ends in Sam dying out of notes. I mean it is a style but why? Why use it here? This style doesn't belong here imo...
I'd disagree, his lows are very basic false chord growl almost everybody can do with minimal practice, his low screams he used to do back in the days sounded much more interesting
Idk my theory is that he tryied to switch to a different screaming/distortion technique and it didn't go well. Maybe he was brainwashed by some shitty vocal coach that his technique was dangerous though it reallt wasn't.
He talked about having issues a few months ago, my guess is that as he evolved in clean singing he has been struggling with the way he used to scream, he said he is currently working with a coach. He’s been sounding amazing this tour, this wa probably an off day
@@alonehades100 I mean, the screams sound good and all, but his high cleans sound weird, like in Seeing Red, but i do hear a difference in his cleans in general, not bad necessarily.
I've wondered this last year, I'm not sure. He's definitely dying his hair brown though. If he'd had a transplant you'd think his hairline would be further forward, but it's overall looking thicker. Hard to tell.
People hating on sam's vocals don't get how vocals work :D Live will always be different than studio, and he actually sounds good here, its just that his technique is different that it was once. His higher pitched singing is more comparable to some older metal bands. It's still on point. note wise its pretty good too. maybe it sounds a bit thin, but im pretty sure that also has to do with the recording.. you can't really encapsulate the real feal of a live recording with such a recording, but tbh this is one of the best live performance videos ever
To add to that, the person making the video seems to have gone the distance and actually removed most noise from the crowd, which overlaps some frequencies in the vocal. however that makes the video better so its completely fine
@@Rednax_Official I agree, I've been to two concerts in the last 12 months and his voice is much better live than in many UA-cam videos. I have no idea why that is
Can't miss the turning point vocal notes at 30:15 , perfect pitch! Must had some fatigue or else before that obviously . Top10 anyways since Qc City show at l'agitée. Such a small venue looking back. Greatest HC breakdown ever at These Colours Don't Run, everyone went apeshit ahaha RIP
nothing wrong with the performance or vocals. It's a live show, it's never gonna be perfect, also these outdoor festival videos always sound like this with the mix all over the place
Gneuu gneuuu gneuuu, The performance is very good, it's just that it's made to make it's way through a sound system that is not what we have at home. Same for letting the audience sing it is unpleasant only for those who listen out of context. Go propose something else or better, and come back afterward
@@Dysilik no way this is the cope; how is the only time people are blaming the sound system is when the actual performance blows, while there are so many amazing soundboard performances, even Architects pre-covid were amazingly mixed and all that my thing is that sam sounds straight up bad on the highs for a long while now, and them touring ts still doesn’t let him either address anything, or even rest. i saw them a ton of times pre-, and like twice post- covid, and there was a noticeable change between the vocals, 2019 Sam was probably the biggest force of nature I’ve ever heard, but this isn’t it dude
Vocal processor. Corrects pitch in real time. You can set the speed / percentage of voice correction manually. That’s how it sounds if you use it on screams as well and not just on clean vocals. Nobody is talking about it and it’s hilarious. He is a great singer, but his sound technicians shouldn’t encourage real time pitch correction for screams, it will always sound weird due to their baggage of harmonics. They “should” use it only on clean singing and set it with a bit less speed / pitch correction …he occasionally sounds like “travis scott” which for sure is not the sound they’re aiming for when it comes to an Architects live performance (vocally).
Sam is killing it and singing for his life, is it perfect ? Of course not, nobody is, but that's the beauty of performing live. Other people put that shit on tracks and call it a day. Nothing but respect for these guys.
TLDR for all the vocal people: Back in january Sam told us at the show in Denmark, that he for some months have had Mental issues and breakdowns that has effected he's vocal range and performance to a degree where he dosnt feel confident to perform live. He got a vocal coach to help him and pushes through shows to keep the flame of the band alive.
There are a LOT of comments about Sam's vocals. I will happily jump in to defend him. They've been touring a lot, newer stuff goes back to the heavier vocals, but I don't think this is the issue. Sam has guested on some killer live stuff throughout 2023 and 2024 and nailed it every time (Spiritbox Yellow Jacket being a good example) To me he just sounds tired and like he's over done it. I also felt like his cleans were stronger than years ago. My only wish is that Metal bands stop using autotune live. Architects, Bad Omens (all the fucking time) - Please just perform live...
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Sounds great in my opinion, it's not easy to put your voice through what he does every night and to be pulling off screaming and singing for an hour , voices change with age also
Oh god, they should just really take a break... At this point, it´s just sad. Avoiding all the screams, all the harder songs, pointing the mic towards the audience half of the gig, walking around as if someone forces you to be there. I love their music, even their newer pieces, understand the evolution and am really happy that he, hopefully, feels better mentally, but at the moment, I´m not so sure they are worth seeing live (saying this as someone who saw them some months ago).
Do you think is because of the touring musicians, cause I think someone else is playing drums? I think also the guitarist are touring musicians, but I don’t get the same vibe like the other concerts
It’s sad to see, I saw them in 2017 in a small theatre and they were one of the best live bands I’ve ever seen. Sam Carter even came out and did security for Stray from the Path because the security guards gave up and we’re letting kids crowd surf over the barrier and land on their backs
I saw them in Chicago in May and he was way more into it and sounded so much better. Love sam, but I think they need to get him a vocal coach or a new one
Their sound has changed a fair bit but, I still love them. Too much negativity out there now. It’s a reflection of life stages. They can’t keep making the same album. Spread love for the good ones ❤
Sam used to be one of the best allround singers but this sounds terrible. Clean singing covered in auto-tune and multiple vocal layers. No mid screaming and just terrible highs. They really need to take break and let him fully recover. I'm gonna see them at a festival in a few days and not looking forward at this point 🫤
Значит, как минимум, он нестабилен. И в целом за последний год у него проблемы с техникой: высокие скримы испортились совсем, средних нет, чистым петь часто ленится, видимо тяжело. Да и поет под автотюн. Мне, как фанату группы и в частности, Сэма, грустно на это смотреть
@@NKN82мужик, речь даже не о материале. Сэм поет чистые партии с тюном, а любые сложные партии он «дает петь залу». Глянь Doomsday, это же стыдобище.. такая важная для группы песня настолько на похуй исполняется фронтменом.
@@levanchikvaidze3519 вот, это именно то, что я бы ответил этому челу, но я уже знаю его и поэтому не хотел этого делать. Но кстати, Сэм чаще не то, что бы на похуй поет, а скорее находится в плохой форме и имеет проблемы с техникой. В любом случае, даже по сравнению с январским туром по Германии в прошлом году Сэм звучит очень слабо и я очень надеюсь, что в один момент это изменится к лучшему
Sam is an elite vocalist for a decade. Not that much can stands tall aside, but time flows, voice changes, get tired, could possibly be modified, plus if you're keep challenging it over and over like he did. Hard to admit his performance is very poor right there. But I do trust deeply in Jordan Fish. He actually transformed a trash shit singer like Oliver Sykes into a great one, adapting production, learning him how to warm up and rest daily. Sam will be back at his peak soon, trust the process
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I'm one of those who would like Sam to sing like before. But you have to understand something. He is a human being, not a robot, and this style of music begins to take its toll on your body and voice after so many years of shows, albums, tours, etc. Besides trying to market their music more these days one of the other reasons they do it is trying to find more comfort for Sam's voice. We already had enough of him in his best days of pure metalcore, now they give us what they can trying to sound like Architects, let's be realHe is one of the few who has managed to keep that raspy scream super high with those notes for so many years.
100% agree. What's important to me now is that they've immortalized the insane things he did during his prime. We can always go back to it.
All I can say is that when he sang back in May in Boston his voice was on point so he is 100% tired. Hopefully he takes care of himself and they get to rest for a bit.
Ах если бы люди подумали об этом в 2017 году о Честере. НО ВСЕ ДУМАЮТ ТОЛЬКО О СЕБЕ
He’s also coming to that age where it’ll be difficult to do those crazy techniques. Sam will always be one of the best for me.
I 100% agree
0:18 he did the thing
And with a smile on his face :D
@@haeihaeihaei ye, cos he knows how we love the good old BLEGHs.
Just some sad hoarse "blegh". Was amazing back when Sam was actually a great vocalist.
Is that Dan on drums?
@@weebsarecringe2102 pathetic comment
16:10 that whole breakdown with Loz from While She Sleeps was SICK AF
He's got such a sick voice. Underated band
The only moment I enjoyed from this shitty live performance. I'm an Architects fan since 2010 but this live is horrible. Sam vocals are so weak, sound recording is bad, stage presence is lame ... I know people are touring a lot and everyone can be tired some day ... I hope they will put better live show in the future
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus christ brother that was awesome
Here's my 2 cents as a vocal nerd:
1. Their music in general is really tough to perform - it can be done safely with good technique, but it's a HEAVY workout.
2. Voices can change over time. It's been almost 8 years since All Our Gods Have Abandoned Us. That's more time than there was between Hollow Crown and All Our Gods Have Abandoned Us.
3. They play hourlong sets - when I saw them in Munich they played 25 songs. That's hard for vocalists and nearly impossible if you're going 100% on every show. If you wanna go 100%, you need more rest days or shorter sets.
That might also be why the Royal Albert Hall sessions were so amazing - because he didn't have to perform the next day so he could just go all out.
TL, DR: Not going 100% on every song, every night and adapting as your voice naturally changes is a healthy choice, if you wanna maintain a workable voice as a performer.
(Also Josh was elite on guitar and backing vocals sicne he is an experienced frontman himself. Of course it's gonna be tough to fill those shoes.)
I kinda share your opinion on that. From what I've heard over the past years, Sam has some difficulties with some types of vocals (mainly the old ones) but the way he adapts and find new techniques and hit different notes, sometimes even more difficult, is fascinating to me
I love how you called Josh an Elite guitarist, cause he is, and so Tom was. That makes me think of the signature Architects kinda used to have and that’s the complex guitar work. A job only Elite guitarists like Tom and Josh could get done. I guess the band’s going to remain with that position empty.
@@alejandrorohen they have to invite some music genius at least on the album sessions. Someone super-creative like Jon Deiley from Northlane, because what they need is to re-establish themselves.
8 years is an excuse? I sugest you check Phil Bozeman from Whitechapel who's voice keep improving and the band is 18 years old
@@nosferhatu Phil Bozeman doesn't do the kind of pitched screams Sam does though. Phil's obviously incredible. His style of screaming is just mechanically different, because it rarely relies on a sung pitch being produced by the true vocal folds as much as Sam's vocal do.
Thank you for uploading this!
What a f**king Bad ass, kick your ass mother f***er set... LOVE this band so much. Graspop also looks pretty cool festival. 😎 x
incredible how this man can sing those high notes even being sick.
That'll be the pitch correction
Im always sad about they dont play these colours dont run :/ that one started me in this kind of Metal + safed my life through a hard time.
Thanks for sharing this with us, Capt Radbeard 👏👍👌👋
He sounds like he's trying to do his best Billy Talent impression with those highs 😐
They have the stage presence of your dad at kareoke
Hahahhahah
Check the Summerblast 2015 concert. Shit was insane.
@@HyruleWanderer if you have to use a decade old set as a counterpoint then you're just adding fuel to the flame. He was 26.
@@Dwesk Not a counterpoint. Just saying it was amazing.
@@HyruleWanderer oh yeah fair game then.
Sam , u kick ass man 🤘
His screams in this are surprisingly bad. But they have been on tour for a bit, so giving him the benefit of the doubt. I know when I saw em here in Myrtle Beach they were 10x over better couple months back.
Almost sounds like he didn’t warm up his highs?
Maybe its because i dont know the material, but he sounds alright to me
Прекратите мучить котенка, нелюди!
i swear i close my eyes and hear chester when he sing's the chorus to the first song
He's basically winging the screams by not constricting his vocal chords and using a lot of air. It's likely so he can preserve his voice.
I think this would be amazing!! However my only complaint is that they played nothing from LF//LT… best album imo! But this still smacked, would love to see them live!🖤 he does sound like Bryan Garris from Knocked Loose when he does his highs.. not a bad thing lol
They headlined on that Friday night before that Saturday at Full Force and it didn't seem as bad. Maybe I was drunk in the pit. Anyway, this less than 24h after a big headlining show.
I guess one can still expect more, but maybe that's why?
Suena tan bring me the architects
Sounds like a cover band
Им надо чувака что ушёл из heart of a coward
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Their show in Antwerp was better in my opinion. It was a shame they were on the same slot with Brutus.... but looking at the video and since I went to their show in Antwerp, I'm glad I saw Brutus
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Sam is getting a tea at aunt Ann....
His cleans are amazing and all those sorts of screaming, I don't know what you guys talk about, it seems like we have a lot of vocal coaches in the comments, you giys have no idea what you're talking about
What the fuck happened to these guys? My god.
Seems like they are following bmth path.
I mean:
High note helped as jordan fish used to do
Scream parts replaced with high vocals
But the first track, with that chorus, too similar to bmth
Sounds like hardcore vocals
Bro his screams sound so painful.. is he doing it right bro because they sound so painful
So many of his high vocals just give me Knocked Loose vibes, weird
😢😢😢😢
Sam just always has good energy but this concert crowd was weak
Fry vocals takes its toll mahn. Difficult style to sing in.
His highs sound terrible but his lows are brutal
wtf happened to sam))
3 points of of 10. 1 for clean singing, 1 for professionalism, 1 for ambiance.
0 for metal feeling.
This is no metal band at all. No feeling only noise.
Seriously overrated.
I'm shocked how bad they sound nowadays. At some point Sam sounds like Micky Mouse. This is so sad.
man how far have they fallen... 2013 feels like forever ago... they along with Northlane used to be my favorites at least Northlane still makes quality music.
That was terrible.
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Que bajo cayó esta banda sea cual sea la razón...la voz fatal..pagar un festival y que salga con esa voz es nefasto..que se retire dignamente mejor.
They were peak in 2014-2016. The stage set up turns me off
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Seeing Red
6:24 - Giving Blood
9:57 - deep fake
13:39 - Impermanence
18:50 - Black Lungs
23:00 - Hereafter
28:50 - Curse
31:55 - Royal Beggars
37:20 - Doomsday
41:55 - Meteor
48:25 - when we were young
52:50 - Animals
Needs more Early Grave, Gravedigger, These Colours Don't Run, Nihilist
@@RobertMullineux 100% agree!
@@ChainChomp122 yeaa, at least play Naysayer, Nihilist, These Colours Don't Run and others 😂
@@ChainChomp122if you don't like doomsday and hereafter even a little you're crazy bro ( weak set tho :/ )
Holy fuck what an awful set list.
I so wish they’d just started a new band with a new name after holy hell. Fair enough to them for cracking on and trying something new but it’s just not architects.
Don't want to be a hater but goddamn this setlist is boring
As the guy who got knocked out, yall were amazing no the less and thanks for making space ❤
Is that why they stopped?
@@Oryyyt Yeah, the very first pit really set the tone. Pretty vicious, I've never really had an issue with falling down / getting knocked over in pits and I it happened 3 times to me during this gig. Not surprised someone got hurt, but glad to hear he's doing okay!
@@dennismaes6319 That sounds like a good time actually. I wouldn't mind a bruise or 2 in an Architects set. But it's nice that they care enough to halt when the fun gets a bit out of hand.
@@dennismaes6319 there was an older women in front of me who didn’t wanna get in the pit so I just pulled her behind me, I don’t remember clearly what happened after her. Just that I ended in the ambulance. I’m glad the woman is okay too, the pit was unexpected that it suddenly grew like that too. Usually I’m a fan of mosh pits too.
I'm the security guy that carried you out! Glad to hear you're safe!
I fucking love this band and Sam is an amazing vocalist, always thought that. I started listening to them in 2018 right before holy hell dropped which in my opinion is one of the best metalcore albums I’ve ever heard. Sadly I couldn’t see them back then because I was too young (16) so I saw them for the first time last year on their Germany tour. Show was amazing, crowd was amazing, everything was on point.
But now? Sounds like they need some time off.
Don’t get me wrong, I also love their newer stuff but holy fuck back in 2019 I couldn’t believe what kind of sounds and screams sam could do, it was crazy as hell.
Please get some rest, you guys really deserve it!
I can even recommend you to watch the newer show at Berlin in 2023. Despite Sam's vocals in 2018-2019 was really sick, in this show he was literally perfect: heavy distortion on screams and stable cleans. ua-cam.com/video/KTEF3ogef8w/v-deo.htmlsi=le7snOtVBJNOEEsC
Holy Hell was their last absolute belter album in my opinion.
Man, that 3 album mid discography run of Lost forever // lost together, All our gods and Holy hell is GOAT’d.
@@georgebrett1738 agreed. But, you now, my first album to listen was FTTWTE. I listened to Tom trilogy only after that in the beginning of 2022, and then I listened to their whole discography without first two albums. So now, after countless listens of all their stuff I still surely say that FTTWE was really good continuing of Holy Hell, despite changing a genre and changing a sound it has really interesting ideas and elements that we could already see on Holy Hell. Discourse is Dead was even written in the HH era
I was at Tom's last show in Nuremberg. I've also seen them dozens of times live. I completely agree with what you say. Tom was the one who set the creative direction for the band. He had amazing ideas and the ability to bring them to life. He was the one who created “Architects tone” and brought 6th string Mayonaise to the table. He was the foundation, the basement for the band! Josh became a solid replacement. He was able to finish Tom's trilogy and bring some interesting ideas to the new albums. However, despite being one of the best guitarists on the technical side of things, Josh failed to create a new direction for Architects, and that's when he left. What can I say, after Josh's departure Architects completely lost the quality side of the band. The riffs are half-finished, the live sound is mediocre, and Sam's voice is in bad shape. I don't even know if he cares because in my opinion he doesn't. Architects are really stagnant right now. Maybe Fish's genius can pull them back together, but I doubt it. Architects desperately needs a leader. A good one.
As a huge, huge Architects fan... this band is a shadow of it's former self. What is that "screaming"?? What is that setlist? Really sad to see what they've become.
His singing style has changed so much
Into bad
I will say that bro's growls are absolutely amazing, but I don't really like the screaming/singing as it sounds too pop like.
yes his screaming sounds terrible in here… he had way more power in the past
he sounds exactly like knocked loose in "animals" in some parts. like to the point he could be knocked looses new lead singer.
@@inspektorgadget1129 well Sam is getting older, and his screaming style is very demanding. Performing day after day kills his voice if he tries to replicate studio quality
I'm gonna see architects on brutal assault in august and i'm already dissapointed... what the hell is wrong with Sam's vocals and the back vocalist? When he sang in Abbey road or in Royal Albert Hall he was incredible, and it was only 3 years ago, what's going on?
It's the middle of festival season and also no josh on backing vox with not being in the band any more!
The sound was awful overall at graspop so dont get discouraged.
Also sound at Graspop festival in person and on video is always shit
It just seems like he can't handle his screams and mixes here (Hereafter as a great example).
Cleans are decent but his new style that has a completely different vibe from the studio version... Nah.
Every "bleeding out like a devil in disguise" phrase in Giving Blood ends in Sam dying out of notes. I mean it is a style but why? Why use it here? This style doesn't belong here imo...
go watch other videos. Everyone has bad days, he usually sounds great.
His lows sound good, high screams not so good but sometimes on recordings they don’t sound anywhere near as good as being there in person
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When there he sounds epic. I watched some vids back I took last show I went to and was like eww. These do sound extra odd though.
I'd disagree, his lows are very basic false chord growl almost everybody can do with minimal practice, his low screams he used to do back in the days sounded much more interesting
He's probably using a different technique with the lows, he should learn how to do mid screams with the same technique he's using for lows
Is that dan on drums?
I feel like this video doesn’t make Sam justice. I’ve seen them at every date on the Metallica tour and his voice live is so fkn good! Top front man.
What the hell happened to his voice, man.
I have no idea, but he might have been sick or something at this show. I just saw them last month and he sounded phenomenal then
Idk my theory is that he tryied to switch to a different screaming/distortion technique and it didn't go well. Maybe he was brainwashed by some shitty vocal coach that his technique was dangerous though it reallt wasn't.
He talked about having issues a few months ago, my guess is that as he evolved in clean singing he has been struggling with the way he used to scream, he said he is currently working with a coach. He’s been sounding amazing this tour, this wa probably an off day
@@alonehades100 I mean, the screams sound good and all, but his high cleans sound weird, like in Seeing Red, but i do hear a difference in his cleans in general, not bad necessarily.
he is normally really good , bet he was sick or something .. his screams were off
Graspop sound engineer challenge: make the kick audible (impossible)
Dear God… SAM , Take a fucking Break… ur Voice is BRUTALY DAMAGED !
Does anyone know if Sam had a hair transplant?
I've wondered this last year, I'm not sure. He's definitely dying his hair brown though. If he'd had a transplant you'd think his hairline would be further forward, but it's overall looking thicker. Hard to tell.
i love architects, but gotta admit some of Sam's screams sound pretty bad now... his low and his singscream are still fire tho haha
so happy they're getting the success right now, they deserve it so much.
i was there and it was fucking sick
People hating on sam's vocals don't get how vocals work :D Live will always be different than studio, and he actually sounds good here, its just that his technique is different that it was once. His higher pitched singing is more comparable to some older metal bands. It's still on point. note wise its pretty good too. maybe it sounds a bit thin, but im pretty sure that also has to do with the recording.. you can't really encapsulate the real feal of a live recording with such a recording, but tbh this is one of the best live performance videos ever
To add to that, the person making the video seems to have gone the distance and actually removed most noise from the crowd, which overlaps some frequencies in the vocal. however that makes the video better so its completely fine
@@ViolaDennisyou’re coping hard there buddy
@@mutatednut aight
His screams is far from his best.
It sounds like he has a cold.
they sound really bad on video but they were amazing irl
@@Rednax_Official I agree, I've been to two concerts in the last 12 months and his voice is much better live than in many UA-cam videos. I have no idea why that is
I guess his voice is just tired. Sam needs a vocal rest asap
Yeah, when I saw them in Boston few months ago he admitted he didn't sound his best
dang sam is getting older.... some of these vocals are pretty bad. (hereafter for example)
Can't miss the turning point vocal notes at 30:15 , perfect pitch! Must had some fatigue or else before that obviously
. Top10 anyways since Qc City show at l'agitée. Such a small venue looking back. Greatest HC breakdown ever at These Colours Don't Run, everyone went apeshit ahaha
RIP
nothing wrong with the performance or vocals. It's a live show, it's never gonna be perfect, also these outdoor festival videos always sound like this with the mix all over the place
Also, a lot of people in here should read the lyrics of Seeing Red.
@@Dysilik oh yeah its the songs concept to be performed like ass vocally lmao
Gneuu gneuuu gneuuu,
The performance is very good, it's just that it's made to make it's way through a sound system that is not what we have at home. Same for letting the audience sing it is unpleasant only for those who listen out of context.
Go propose something else or better, and come back afterward
@@Dysilik no way this is the cope; how is the only time people are blaming the sound system is when the actual performance blows, while there are so many amazing soundboard performances, even Architects pre-covid were amazingly mixed and all that
my thing is that sam sounds straight up bad on the highs for a long while now, and them touring ts still doesn’t let him either address anything, or even rest.
i saw them a ton of times pre-, and like twice post- covid, and there was a noticeable change between the vocals, 2019 Sam was probably the biggest force of nature I’ve ever heard, but this isn’t it dude
In any case you make the song really better.
9/10
If you had commented "R.I.P" it would have been a perfect note.
Get a break band 😊
it was a cloudy day, suddenly the sun appeared during DOOMSDAY. I believe in destiny.
Vocal processor.
Corrects pitch in real time. You can set the speed / percentage of voice correction manually.
That’s how it sounds if you use it on screams as well and not just on clean vocals.
Nobody is talking about it and it’s hilarious.
He is a great singer, but his sound technicians shouldn’t encourage real time pitch correction for screams, it will always sound weird due to their baggage of harmonics.
They “should” use it only on clean singing and set it with a bit less speed / pitch correction …he occasionally sounds like “travis scott” which for sure is not the sound they’re aiming for when it comes to an Architects live performance (vocally).
Sam is killing it and singing for his life, is it perfect ? Of course not, nobody is, but that's the beauty of performing live. Other people put that shit on tracks and call it a day. Nothing but respect for these guys.
TLDR for all the vocal people: Back in january Sam told us at the show in Denmark, that he for some months have had Mental issues and breakdowns that has effected he's vocal range and performance to a degree where he dosnt feel confident to perform live. He got a vocal coach to help him and pushes through shows to keep the flame of the band alive.
There are a LOT of comments about Sam's vocals. I will happily jump in to defend him. They've been touring a lot, newer stuff goes back to the heavier vocals, but I don't think this is the issue. Sam has guested on some killer live stuff throughout 2023 and 2024 and nailed it every time (Spiritbox Yellow Jacket being a good example)
To me he just sounds tired and like he's over done it. I also felt like his cleans were stronger than years ago. My only wish is that Metal bands stop using autotune live. Architects, Bad Omens (all the fucking time) - Please just perform live...
I mean his screams got him to this point. Screaming the way he does will eventually wear your voice off a lot. He needs some rest.
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Sounds great in my opinion, it's not easy to put your voice through what he does every night and to be pulling off screaming and singing for an hour , voices change with age also
God, his high screams sound awful now
THIS IS F*CKING AMAZING!!!!!!!!
For the band's respect i would delete this video
Why did the show stop while playing Seeing Red?
Oh god, they should just really take a break... At this point, it´s just sad. Avoiding all the screams, all the harder songs, pointing the mic towards the audience half of the gig, walking around as if someone forces you to be there. I love their music, even their newer pieces, understand the evolution and am really happy that he, hopefully, feels better mentally, but at the moment, I´m not so sure they are worth seeing live (saying this as someone who saw them some months ago).
Interestingly enough, they played All Our Gods Have Abandoned Us the night before at Full Force Festival in Germany.
On the other points I agree.
Do you think is because of the touring musicians, cause I think someone else is playing drums?
I think also the guitarist are touring musicians, but I don’t get the same vibe like the other concerts
@@luissilvadrummer Those are all official members. The band just sucks now
It’s sad to see, I saw them in 2017 in a small theatre and they were one of the best live bands I’ve ever seen. Sam Carter even came out and did security for Stray from the Path because the security guards gave up and we’re letting kids crowd surf over the barrier and land on their backs
I saw them in Chicago in May and he was way more into it and sounded so much better. Love sam, but I think they need to get him a vocal coach or a new one
Bring me The Architects
Build Me The Horizon
Architect Me The Horizon
Imagine going through this setlist and that voice at the same time.
Their sound has changed a fair bit but, I still love them. Too much negativity out there now. It’s a reflection of life stages. They can’t keep making the same album. Spread love for the good ones ❤
Sam used to be one of the best allround singers but this sounds terrible. Clean singing covered in auto-tune and multiple vocal layers. No mid screaming and just terrible highs. They really need to take break and let him fully recover. I'm gonna see them at a festival in a few days and not looking forward at this point 🫤
they peaked at lost together lost forever now its bring me the horizon dad rock lol
This video is great but I was there and there are so much heavier than what this video can show
Such amazing live performers
I love architects and always will but this just doesn't sound good.
Я был на концерте в Бруклине и Филадельфии, у Сэма был вокал на хорошем уровне
Значит, как минимум, он нестабилен. И в целом за последний год у него проблемы с техникой: высокие скримы испортились совсем, средних нет, чистым петь часто ленится, видимо тяжело. Да и поет под автотюн. Мне, как фанату группы и в частности, Сэма, грустно на это смотреть
@@venzallow6206 больно смотреть? на то что вместо тупого ора начали делать шикарные бэнгеры?
@@NKN82мужик, речь даже не о материале. Сэм поет чистые партии с тюном, а любые сложные партии он «дает петь залу». Глянь Doomsday, это же стыдобище.. такая важная для группы песня настолько на похуй исполняется фронтменом.
Да тут не только вокал, тут звук - говно говном. Не кем Джоша заменить.
@@levanchikvaidze3519 вот, это именно то, что я бы ответил этому челу, но я уже знаю его и поэтому не хотел этого делать. Но кстати, Сэм чаще не то, что бы на похуй поет, а скорее находится в плохой форме и имеет проблемы с техникой. В любом случае, даже по сравнению с январским туром по Германии в прошлом году Сэм звучит очень слабо и я очень надеюсь, что в один момент это изменится к лучшему
Sam is an elite vocalist for a decade. Not that much can stands tall aside, but time flows, voice changes, get tired, could possibly be modified, plus if you're keep challenging it over and over like he did. Hard to admit his performance is very poor right there. But I do trust deeply in Jordan Fish. He actually transformed a trash shit singer like Oliver Sykes into a great one, adapting production, learning him how to warm up and rest daily. Sam will be back at his peak soon, trust the process
It is getting sad. They need naysayer
I saw them on february and Sam high screams were so good, but now they're so far from good
Doing doomsday with all clean vocals is diabolical. He cant go all in for one song in the set that deserves it
Thumbnail looked like christian lindner lol
Any band that has to ask for a circle pit or a wall of death doesn't deserve one.
LOZZZZZ
Terrible mixing and mid performance is a bad combo.
Oque aconteceu ? Cadê a energia de cantar e tocar como se fosse o ultimo dia na terra? Estou chocado com a performance decadente. Bons tempos....
Whut 2:05 🧐
Josh should've stay in the band
What the fuck happened to this voice?
He had a cold
Ez a pacek eléggé Sziget reklámos Jankovics Péter😂