@@BIGFRANKOL75 The first girl that kissed him, sure - albeit on the cheek. But he actually went on two dates with Yue; one on the bridge, and the other on Appa
@t The Fire Nation in the animation for actual kids was more imperialistic and itimidating than whatever this was I don't know how that's even possible.
It's no wonder why the creators DiMartino and Konietzko left when the live action started production. They left posts on Instagram saying Netflix wanted to change the vision of what their show is, and wanted to make it very clear that they have no involvement with Netflix's adaption.
@@vetarlittorf1807 personally, I hated Korra as a show and almost as much hated the character (just didn’t like her personality). I thought a lot of the world building choices were bad given what we’d already seen in the original show. However, I’d never conclude from the show that the creators lost their spark of creativity. I just disagreed with their choices.
Removing sokkas sexism arc only to ironically make suki a creep towards him, taking away kataras emotions, jealousy, motherly qualities and her bossiness, Aang not being playful enough and too determined to fulfill his responsibilities when that’s supposed to be the whole arc of his throughout the show. Zuko not being as hotheaded and self loathing as he should’ve been. And yes, the worst part is the unbelievable amount of EXPOSITION. The show is all tell and no show. Although episode 6 is what I can call a genuinely good episode. Sokkas removal of his attitude is the worst about his character. The original show constantly shows it to be something sokka needs to grow out of, and it keeps challenging him to do so. His assumptions of there being “natural” assignment of mens and womens roles ultimately gets him humbled, and it’s his misguided result of him having to step up when his father left him in charge when the men left. His assumptions of the kyoshi warriors having to have been men, calling their practice “dance lessons” only for them to beat him every time. Even though he’s emasculated by putting on the “dress” and makeup, it’s something he consciously chooses to still do in order to learn to fight from them. This completely underscores his jaded concept of there being masculine and feminine roles and changes his worldview by showing that they’re not opposing or paradoxical. You can be both. Which is why suki says “I’m a warrior, but I’m a girl too” after she kisses him. The fact that he gets on his knees and asks suki to teach him, and suki says “even if im a girl?” just shows the importance of his arc. If someone doesn’t think that’s great story telling and an interesting story, I don’t know what is.
Right?! In order to not make Sokka a sexist, they made Suki a sexist. Now, the only reason Suki falls for Sokka is Suki essentially going 'Ooh, a foreign boy!' That's just creepy and weird
The pacing is so jarring. They leave the southern water tribe and the next scene they're instantly at the air temple, no sense of any time passing, it feels like it took them 30 mins to get there.
@@thatHARVguy Netflix is so obsessed with GoT. Remember when The Witcher fist released? Netflix promoted it to be the next GoT. Look what happens now.
And it was an important part of establishing the group dynamic that on the ride over, katara and sokka were worried about aang seeing what happened to the air temple. And then katara helped talk him out of the avatar state. It would have taken basically no extra time to have that relationship building in the show but they chose to skip it cause they're just worried about getting through story bullet points
@@jarrodedson5441 Because it was a massive IP that had a massive impact on our cultural zeitgeist and sold hundreds of millions of dollars of DVD's, Blu-rays, and general merch. They want their own GoT to get that replacement merch money for when Stranger Things ends.
I practically rolled my eyes out of their sockets during the scene where Sokka and Katara's grandmother literally recites the cartoon's opening monologue word for word 😂
Not only is that scene cringy, it also creates a huge problem. In the animated series, the old water tribe woman mentions that Aang might be the last air bender in passing, saying 'I thought air benders were extinct', to which Aang replies 'Extinct?' essentially not believing it, thinking of her as some crazy old woman. Aang learns that all the air benders were wiped out by the fire benders in a vicious attack when he visits the air temple with Katara and Sokka. Upon learning that information, he goes into the Avatar state out of anger and sadness. Makes sense. In LA however, the old woman from the water tribe tells Aang when he comes out of ice that Fire nation attacked and the Air temple was the first to fall, and that Air benders haven't been seen in a century. Upon learning that everyone he knows probably got burned alive, his reaction is to run out, sulk a little and then ask Katara about herself?! What?! Even if we think that LA version of Aang is a sociopath, when he visits the air temple, he sees the remnants of war and goes into the Avatar state out of anger and sadness?! Bro, didn't you already know that?!
I thought it was great and sweet! A wonderful nod to the intro. Since, you know, in the very first episode Katara says her grandma always told her this? I don’t understand why this is a problem.
@@pantslesswrockbecause its too on the nose. its literally kataras intro word for word, and for what reason? it doesnt add anything, it actively takes away kataras importance as a character, and its way less impactful than the original way aang finds out its been 100 years. literally all the exposition reads like this. like the creators think youre too dumb to figure out the story on your own, so they need to answer and explain away any question you may have the second it enters your head. its insulting, considering this isnt even for kids like the original show, and it reads like a first draft. even more baffling considering they had like five years to work on this.
That's why Marvin the Martian is one of my favorite characters. He takes what normally doesn't work for a character and makes it just a little quirk that fits with his personality as a no-nonsense soldier.
Dude, that was FUNNIEST part. I know EXACTLY what you mean!!!!! I laughed at that for days, bro! Oh my God, that was so funny. The fact that they actually showed her getting roasted alive, killed me 😂😂😂😂 It was so unnecessary and graphic! What's even more funny is that the Katara in the show has no personality at all. You would think seeing your mother being roasted alive right before your eyes would give you some sort of character, like maybe trauma or something. But nope. She's a total bore. She's been relegated to Female Sidekick #1. lol
I don't have the fire for that anymore. The insufferable never-ending trend of the behind-the-scenes people getting everything wrong, doubling down, and destroy franchises.
I agree 100% the points you make here. Especially the "tell, don't show" writing and that Zuko was written with to much knowledge about where his arc is ultimately going. Iroh's first line to him straight up says "your dad thought finding the avatar was an impossible task and your retirn home might be unexpected" 🙄
It shouldn't have been a remake. They should've told a new original story set in the same world. I've wanted an Iroh life-story mini series for so long. I want to see how he went from so devoted to the fire nation to becoming what he became in the original series.
And it doesn't help that Katara's character felt subdued. Katara isn't perfect, of course, but she had so many good qualities. She was both a warrior and a home-maker. She had a warmth that was also fiery when it needed to be. No shade on the actor, but i feel Katara could have been portrayed better. It's partly because of the horrible writing in the show, and the fact that they didn't see it fit to get acting coaches to help immerse the actors into the emotional role of the characters. Kiawentiio has a lovely smile, but I didn't need to see it every two seconds, because it wasn't fitting for her character
The live action Avatar used a full paragraph of dialogue to explain what the animated Avatar was able to get across in a single sentence (i.e. Sokka and Katara's back and forth about waterbending within the first five minutes of episode 1).
i only watched the episode 1, my own notes are as followed the change of monk gyasto letting anng be taken away for training is an odd change, in the original he was strongly against him and anng separated, and the tragedy was that anng ran away before they could talk.....this was an odd change, can someone explain why they did this? the fire nation attacks my issue is with how the fire benders were portrayed during the comet, they didn't seem all that different without the comet, we should have seen giant fire balls and guys flying spraying massive flames, completely overwhelming destruction, unrestrained fire power.....the first episode didn't show that
The writers really want to rail home that's its aangs responsibility to be a super serious avatar. That he doesn't get to be a kid. So the writers let gyatso voice that he doesn't like aang being forced into training but ultimately they don't want to contradict the whole idea that he has to step up
you're absolutely right on both points. especially the second aspect, that the fire benders don't seem any stronger during the comet, is widely ignored by most youtube reviews, even by the ones who claim to be die hard fans. In the original the firebenders powers are maxed up at about x100 times or even more once the comet arrives in the finale and on Netflix the firebending in the opening looks exactly the same as it does later on. it was also such a WOW moment in the cartoons season 3, when you get a grasp of the comets power and here they mindlessly trash that within the first 10 minutes. and yeah, you know you have a bad opening sequence at hand, if random people in the internet can bring up irrefutable arguments based on the finale (!!!!) of the source material. this is seriously amateurish writing.
My GF asked me if I wanted to watch it and I said no. Now she keeps talking about it by saying: "It's good... but...." which is telling when she can't say what's good about it and just skips to the complaints.
Whats gets me about the scene where Aang is awaked is that in the Netflix version it just seems kinda random where in the original katara loses control and her powers break the ice. If they didn’t want to do sokkas sexism arc then why not just have the siblings have an argument. Same result and makes much more sense then what happened.
That scene was really bad. 1) They left Appa in there. If Zuko went for the glow then he couldve gotten Appa LOL. 2) Aang's place is very weird cuz itsnt under the iceberg and looks like normal ice berg. Thats why in the OG Iroh says weve been here before, there is nothing. So if Zuko search better then he couldve found him there since it looks very weird amongs all that. I guess nobody went there for 100 years. 3) That thing looked like released itself. Yeah people argue Katara did that but NO. Katara was focused on the kanoe not the ice. So it sensed Katara's bending? Why didnt that thing released itself before we can ask it now. Before Sokka's sexism caused Katara to be angry and break the iceberg and revealed Aang's spherical thing and Katara break it physically. Not that it break itself when sensed Katara's bending? LOL. Also how is that air bending guys so idiot. As well as that earth kingdom spy. the troubling news were there even before that in the OG. Thats why they told Aang before he was 16 yo, he was the avatar. And that attack didnt happen when they say, Aang u r the avatar. In netflix, Aang learns he is the avatar and that night fire nation attacks. Also also Aang fly his bison into the storm to clear his head? LOL. I guess they didnt teach him not to fly your bison into the storm for a casual flight.
This is so rude.... You guys with your sexism... I hate this show, but if anything, Katara acts exactly the way I act in my real life. I respect men and I fully understand that I am weaker then them and that I will need protection if there's a danger. Even if I will practice martial arts, I wouldn't compete with men, because they are just naturally stronger than me... By far :/ and I don't see anything wrong with that. And I don't see anything wrong in me as a girl being capable to do "women" stuff like cooking, sewing, cleaning, sitting with children and etc. Why it's even a problem? Why women can't be ... Well... Women? It's natural things, like women having longer hair or different organs. We ARE different. You can't just deny that.
@@olyabutorina6869 I don't know who is more confused here, me or you. He's right though. Katara got most of her feminine qualities erased in favor of her being an empty shell of a person who exposits how she or anyone else is feeling. Who's drive to learn waterbending is not because it's apart of who she is, but to become a warrior to prove herself against the men, in other words, pushing her into a more masculine realm. The writers completely missed the point of the character and act like her old feminine qualities are a hindrance when those qualities are why she was such a good character in the first place. This is modern writing for female characters, suppress the feminine and up lift the masculine because the best thing a woman can be is a man. That is sexist lmao
I think in order to not make Sokka a sexist, they made Suki a sexist. Now, the only reason Suki falls for Sokka is Suki essentially going 'Ooh, a foreign boy!' That's just creepy and weird
@@olyabutorina6869 I don't know why you're getting offended by this. They literally removed all motherly traits from Katara, so yes I would consider that as more sexist. I think you're reading wayy too far into what was said.
Great insights, Jester. I've lost a lot of interest in remakes. While they have the money and technology to actually make them, they don't have the talent and courage to capture what made the originals good. We are constantly saying, "That could never be made today", and it shows.
I think part of the problem is the "test and find out" approach to this remake, they should have researched all 3 seasons and made them green lit together but it feels like they researched 1 and partly 2 because as they replaced Sokka's story they just made his arc this season about leadership and skill... Which was what the Black Sun and "the master" plots in S3 were about, as well as "Bato", which was changed to be a failure before his dad left in this adaptation with a flashback.
I hate how they just tell you everything about characters and changed and added things that completely takes away from their transformation later on. First time watching the animated series I was shocked that Iroh actually cared about the spirits and the world in the S1 finale and yes he doesn't seem like a terrible guy throughout the start but you still view him as an antagonist because he is associated with Zuko (he shoots fire at the gang at the start) later on you realize he just sticks with Zuko to watch over him bc he loves him as he finds himself. But in the Netflix show they basically tell you this guy is not a bad guy with the added scenes and also adding Katara and Sokkas mothers death scene now completely destroys her arc with Zuko and the impact of that eps. Especially if they were planning to do all seasons. They wrecked the mystery of the series.
I know right, I think she does a decent portrayal but the writing nueders all of the characters if their defining traits. I have mixed opinions on what I've seen
Either way I think it's time that people, writers and fans alike, GIVE UP on live action Avatar. It doesn't work and no one knows what they're doing. Just give it a rest and save us the headache.
I quite enjoyed watching the live action Avatar movie. Many people were saying that it was bad but after watching the TV series maybe they would appreciate the movie more 😂
Its funny that they dont trust the audience and info dump everything cuz at times they expect you to have already seen the animated series. Like when the Gaang teases Sokka about Suki. We know they like each other from the animated series but the show has yet to show it
Fully agree with everything you said, lmao. Especially the part where the person says "That person's an Earthbender" that was my literal reaction when he said it, like dude, we can see it's an Earthbender. 😂😂
I have found costuming in all media has gotten real bad of late. I follow an account that posts closeups of LotR costumes and the care, thought, and craftsmanship put even into the clothing of the extras...but nothing these days has that at all.
Couldn't agree more about their failure to trust the audience. They didn't even need to make any changes to the original story beats, and every single departure was for the worse. Aang's speech about "who I am" came off as incredibly clumsy and unrealistic dialogue writing
I wouldn’t say that sokka had a boys are better than girls mentality. He grew up in a place where all the men were warriors and the women stayed and took care of the kids and stuff and so he fell into the the mentality that certain genders do certain things
Personally I think live actions as a whole are a waste but hoping that hollywood gives up on that entirely is a bust because that would mean people(outside of the fans) would have to respect animation.
The original creator was heavily involved and if they didn't want to do what he said he would've cancelled the contract in a heartbeat. That man doesn't need the money anyways.
Well, I think the main reason that show worked is that it had people involved who actually cared about maintaining the spirit of the source material, including the original creator. With this show, on the other hand, the atmosphere was more along the lines of "We threw out certain elements because they didn't work for us personally, but fingers crossed it doesn't affect the overall quality 🤪"
I think this is a case of "Appreciate it while you got it because things can always get worse." In 10 years, the entertainment landscape will probably be so bare we will be begging for content that reaches this level of quality.
There was a interview a couple of days before it came out (when they showed the first episode) where the creators said that the "exposition" issue as mainly an episode 1 thing and that it would get better later on; that's the only reason i continued watching until episode 3 before giving up. This script it's truly one of the worst scripts i have seen in a while, it outshines whatever good things the show might have going on, not even fanfictions would dare to break the "show, don't tell" rule to the degree this show does I might continue watching just to see how bad it can get
This video is a classic example of "mere fans having more understanding of creative nuances than the remake writers who actually received the paycheck." I guess that's the gist of it, that fans are fans because they recognized the art and beauty of something while some writers who don't were just there to get paychecks and ruin something great.
I gave up after Katara Mary Sued a hundred foot wall of water into existence. And after watching Supercut Delight's video on the worst changes they made, I'm glad I didn't give it another chance. Also, showing the princess as proof that the movie had better hairstyles was definitely the wrong example
It's even still happening to this day. My friend at work says her young daughter is constantly criticized for "looking like a boy" just because she enjoys playing outside and gets scraped sometimes, when we're supposed to be in a time where the bending of rules and expectations is supposed to be what people should be applauded for.
I’m a BIG ATLA fan. I watched the animated series when it was first released in 2005 (I was in 3rd year college). I’ve rewatched it countless times. Now at 40, still my favourite. I’ve watched it multiple times with my 2 small kids and they’re inlove with it. Now with the live action adaptation in Netflix, surprisingly I’m ok with it. Was it perfect? Nope but I still did enjoyed it. There were some “meh” moments for sure but there were lots of goods as well. I feel like some changes were necessary. My kids on the other hand were more critical. They took noticed of the changes and quite unhappy. They love the action / bending scenes though.
Well the bar is already in hell for Hollywood so when we see a semi decent show we're more forgiving. I personally am very picky about what I watch because I demand good storytelling as someone who writes stories herself so I'm not ok with decent, it's either it's good or it's not don't waste people's time and energy.
Apparently Netflix think it's not okay for Sokka to be sexist but it's okay for him to be a cheater? At least in the cartoon, it was Suki who kisses Sokka on the cheek as a reward for Sokka's apology and realization of his sexist attitude towards her and also as a reminder she is a girl. They dangled their love in the air, it was there but no one confessed or called it official, it was just hinted that they liked each other. But in this, they full out kiss and then next few episodes later, Sokka kisses Yue, another girl, and I believe in another dialogue at one of the episodes, Katara mentions Sokka flirting with a firebender girl. I was just baffled by the whole thing that they made Sokka's character so dirty, womanizing people left and right on purpose. You hit the nail on the costumes and the overall vibes of the Netflix series, it wasn't bad for me but it wasn't great as well, it felt really off like it wants to be like the cartoon exactly but also not exactly by changing the dialogues, character arcs and growth, etc. I just hope they get better directors for season 2, the only scenes I enjoy were Avatar Kyoshi's appearance and Jet's scenes, their scene direction was well acted out and directed imo.
The only point I disagree about is the costuming (for the most part) I did like the costume design itself (mostly.) i felt that they added a good amount of realistic embellishment while also keeping the basic design of the cartoon. Although there were some costumes I did not like the design of. I had more of a problem with the lack of weathering on the costumes and the hair and make up. It wasn’t all of the costumes but some of them stuck out especially. The props I felt like were hit or miss as well. Sokkas club looked awful. His boomerang looked like it was ripped straight from the cartoon without any realistic embellishment. Also why was his boomerang made from metal? It should have been hewn from bone or ivory.
There was no point to remake this in live action. The original is perfect. Just watch the original. And stop watching these Netflix remakes so Netflix can give up already.
What’s funny is that despite them removing sokka’s sexism to avoid controversy or something they gave that to pakku at the end of the season and basically tried to get away with it cause he’s an old man adult instead of a teenager like Sokka.
Dawg, i stopped at episode 1 too. There was so much goddamn repetition i just checked out. I was also really disappointed in Iroh's characterization. You don't get the warmth Uncle exuded.
Honestly my heart goes out to the creators. They put their heart and soul into lovingly crafting this world and it's characters, yet unfortunately have been burned not _once,_ but _TWICE_ now by big studios who took THEIR vision and turned it into something else entirely. ☹️ They are probably incredibly disheartened. I would say that they need to do a better job at negotiations when choosing who to work with and how much control to relinquish in live action. For instance, when J.K. Rowling decided to adapt her _Harry Potter_ books into live action, she made sure to include in her contract that she would retain a certain amount of control on set. For example, initially the studio or director (can't remember which one) was going to cast a White child in the role of Dean Thomas, who is Black. J.K. Rowling stepped in and put a stop to it, making sure that they knew that this kid was Black. They also were going to make Dumbledore wistfully recount memories about a woman from his youth that he'd been in love with. Rowling stepped in and told them that Dumbledore was gay and made them change the whole "love story" thing. Team Avatar doesn't seem to retain such control in their adaptions, but maybe this is due to the fact that they share a percentage of ownership with Nickelodeon studios? I am unsure if that's actually the case, here, but if not then they most definitely need to get better agents to negotiate on their behalf. The _Avatar_ franchise is HUGE, and the creators honestly should have a lot more pull and authority than what they've been getting.
I'm so glad to hear someone that has basically the exact same takes as me (even down to the costumes being better in the movie lol), I was honestly beginning to feel like the only one. I think the failure of this show really just speaks to the death of writing in media as a whole, and it's unfortunate because I was really trying to give this show the benefit of the doubt, but I ended up giving up about halfway through the first episode and then skimmed through the rest because I was seriously so bored and frustrated that it was actually painful for me to consume. Regarding what you said about Zuko, I think one of the reasons why he was so threatening in the original show is because he was portrayed as this hot-headed loose cannon that really no one knew what he was capable of because he was so desperate to find Aang and regain his honor, but not only do they cut out that aspect of his character and key scenes demonstrating that (like the Zhao Agni Kai and training scenes with Iroh), they instead refocus his motivation to be a contest for the throne with his sister, rather than solely focusing on his shame for being cast out and his intense need to regain the love and acceptance of his father.
I miss that contrast between Sokka's earlier little teen foolishness (and getting schooled!) with Suki, and then that MASSIVE pride later on where Katara waterbent those alleyway bullies into some ice, and Sokka's response was to just go: "Water Tribe!" -- SO proud of his sister.
My biggest gripe as far as the costumes are concerned is the lack of makeup work on Zuko's face. Dude looks like he got punched in the eye instead of SEARED LIKE A STEAK BY FLAMES🔥🔥🔥 Even the cartoon series made it look more gruesome and painful.
It's funny you mentioned costuming, because I almost never care about that, but I couldnt stop staring at the cloth that Aangs clothes were made from. So in the Air temple they show Aang flying without a glider, but then they try to make it seem like Aangs in trouble when he gets shot down from his glider.
I'm so glad you came out with this video. It's like the show it's all the right plot points but misses all the details. And it seems like everyone's just trying to get on the good side of Netflix
I'm sometimes hesitant to call out examples of "telling not showing" because I'm the exact kind of dummy that writing's made for. My reading comprehension was marked in highschool as "so low, it's a level rarely ever seen". Took until I was 12 to pick up that Woody the cowboy was jealous of Buzz Lightyear...
I’m honestly baffled at how these screenwriters get into the industry (as it surely can’t be based on merit) when they’re demonstratively clueless about so many of the fundamentals of storytelling, the exposition dumps, inauthentic dialogue, nonexistent awareness of pacing, lack of understanding about what a character arc is and how to write one and give it thematic relevance, failure to track the cause and effect of the plot events and character arc progression (especially in assuring their changes are properly integrated into both), additionally, always starting with backstory scenes before establishing who a character is and making the audience care, something the original show was amazing at, it’s why those backstory reveal episodes unanimously became fan favourites! The success of the original series was not random, it still stands as a masterclass in storytelling that all writers can learn from analysing, but nothing about the Netflix adaptation makes me believe these new show runners have actually done that. The film/tv industry in the West has a neurotic obsession with “same but different” pitches, so I presume this is why these “a remake “but different”” pitches get greenlit so often, the “different” part usually being a different ideological approach that appeals to the ideological leanings/modern sensibilities of the executives, but one that is ultimately going to destroy the thematic cohesion of the source material. The changes made to the majority of live action remakes ALL have this problem, they aren’t willing to completely overhaul the original source material to make their changes work, they try to have it coexist with unchanged elements of the old story (in part because changing it too much means losing the “same” half their pitch relied on) which inevitably becomes a incoherent mess because it never commits to being either a faithful remake or a fully fledged reimagining.
This explains so much of my feelings with this adaptation. It's like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too, do a one to one adaptation but also add in original elements but they don't do the work to make those things fit or make an original story out of existing material.
I watched the entire thing. I think it was alright. It does serve the purpose of nostalgia and cheap thrills (having some famous lines repeated and cabbage man/secret tunnel etc.) I had fun watching it but I was not completely engaged or sucked in for more than 10 minute spells in between. Seeing Kyoshi be more prominent was cool. There was always something that would bring you out of emersion, whether it's the pacing or an awkward moment and dialogue sequence that doesn't progress the plot and leave you wonder why was that line not changed or cut? I think the actors tried their best and are inexperienced clearly and I hope they will grow in the following 2 seasons. I think the script and dialogue is the main thing that makes this like a casual background watching kinda show and where they failed the most. The effects for the bending were pretty good for most battle sequences.
Here's my biggest what the hell moment. In the animated series, the old water tribe woman mentions that Aang might be the last air bender in passing, saying 'I thought air benders were extinct', to which Aang replies 'Extinct?' essentially not believing it, thinking of her as some crazy old woman. Aang learns that all the air benders were wiped out by the fire benders in a vicious attack when he visits the air temple with Katara and Sokka. Upon learning that information, he goes into the Avatar state out of anger and sadness. Makes sense. In LA however, the old woman from the water tribe tells Aang when he comes out of ice that Fire nation attacked and the Air temple was the first to fall, and that Air benders haven't been seen in a century. Upon learning that everyone he knows probably got burned alive, his reaction is to run out, sulk a little and then ask Katara about herself?! What?! Even if we think that LA version of Aang is a sociopath, when he visits the air temple, he sees the remnants of war and goes into the Avatar state out of anger and sadness?! Bro, didn't you already know that?!
Zuko got better by the end but the first 2 or 3 episodes I thought he was gonna break down and start crying at any moment. They flat out slaughtered Azula's character.
Yessssss. They made her too emotional . Typical azula is not. And she was supposed to be trained by 2 older twin ladies not what she was doing in the live action. I don’t know why they removed that part.
I think the best way to describe it is it feels like a community theatre production of ATLA, but they had to write their own script because they couldn't afford the rights to the original
I loved the first episode. Made me cry seeing it as a real life perspective, makes the original story seem more painful. See actual facial emotions making me thing, man this kid just lost all his friends and family in a blink of an eye. the only thing I hate is Sokkas chin.
It's funny how they made the northern water tribe even more sexist, in the cartoons it's a joke that the little boy thinks he's in charge but in the new show he actually is in charge of all these adult women
And all the people that think it's good say episode 4 and 6 make it. Like, I'm not going to watch 3 movies to try and find out if I like it for small portions or not. Newsflash saw clips and although heart-warming iroh and zuko were, the producers clearly wanted to emotion bait with Leaves From The Vine. Which worked on the people that were able to get to that point.
Not to mention they did secret tunnel but turned the nomads into a random group that doesn't even go through the secret tunnels they're outside of it in a different cave for acoustics. Sokka and Katara go through them to mend their falling apart brother sister relationship which they don't hint at at all beforehand. All they did was rush everything with no growth involved.
These people need to chill. You can dislike the show without the need to go out your way and harass the actors. Bullying is CRAZY; these people need MEDICATION AND THERAPY. Imo the series isn't very good, BUT it's nowhere as bad as the 2010 ATLA movie adaptation or even the live-action Death Note (bad reviews) or the live-action Cowboy Bebop (mixed reviews); both of which GOT CANCELLED.....Tbh, the Netflix live-action Avatar for me was a 4/10. The CGI had some choppy moments that could've been reviewed and fixed given that this production had a $15million per episode budget, the script was unfortunately weak given a few of the re-writes which didn't play out the character development well, and the acting wasn't very good from the main cast at all in my opinion. I understand that the main cast (Aang, Katara, Sokka, & Zuko) are all newcomers and for the majority of them, this is their first big gig but they definitely NEED to take some more acting lessons to better the craft, if the show manages to get picked up for a season2. 'Katara' lacked emotion, 'Sokka' didn't have great comedic timing, and 'Aang' & 'Zuko' weren't consistent with their character/line-delivery during some scenes. The show is receiving mixed reviews (within reason), so its honestly a toss up on whether it'll be able to survive to see another season. It's on par to the feedback/criticism CowBoy Bebop got...so only time will tell. I do wish the cast the best of luck though. I will note that I found the secondary & tertiary characters to be more enjoyable to watch than the main characters. Arden Cho as June, Sebastian Amoruso as Jet, and Maria Zhang as Suki were absolutely SPOT ON with their acting and great casting choices!
When it came to character adaptations, the 2 girls are the most egregious imo. If I didn’t know Katara was supposed to be Katara, I’d be like “who’s this random girl travelling with them?” She’s so mild mannered; it’s like they had a checklist of character traits and just took the first 2: optimistic and nurturing. But Katara is soooo much more than that. And Azula, why is she so much like Zuko with the hot temper and insecurities?! She should be the exact opposite, cold and manipulative. It was soooo frustrating to watch. Kinda terrified to see them tackle Toph…
You mention how the removal of Sokka’s sexism does a lot to impact the story right from the first episode. In addition to that, I feel like what they’ve done with Katara adds to the issue in much the same way. It’s like they were too scared that the show would offend people if they committed to that portrayal of Sokka, while at the same time they substantially watered down Katara and her more fiery/outspoken personality, as if they were scared that presenting her as too “#girlboss” would also upset a certain demographic of people…it’s just so typical of mainstream screenwriting these days. Everything has to be so sanitized to mitigate even the slightest risk of not appealing to the widest audience possible, which results in bland characters, and stories that aren’t capable of exploring their themes with any sort of compelling depth.
Totally agree on the adaptations being a new norm that just feel like hollow copy cats, or fan made concept fiction. I get movie or tv adaptations from comics or books to live action because the medium is so drastically different. Seeing text or still images to motion is a good transition. But when seeing an animation to tv or movie, it just seems a bit pointless because any criticism of changes to the story is usually met with "its an adaptation what you expect?" If the changes result in an inferior product, then whats the point of the adaptation and why not just watch the original. Side note is that video games is a whole other ball game but thats a different topic.
I remember my ex being disapointed of the end of Korra. Why? Because Korra and Asami were just holding hands instead of tasting what the otehr one had in the stomach or making out for five minutes.
It's weird they didn't keep the sexism of Sokka's character beliefs in the beginning. It wasn't an issue when it was made blatantly clear in the One Piece Live adaptation for Zoro's backstory (how his rival was discouraged to be a swordswoman because she was a girl). It ended up strengthening the character instead when Zoro wanted his rival to chase that dream instead. It's basically cutting out growth from Sokka because he was in a teen phase. Then again, I guess they made a lot of weird decisions with ATLA LA. Compared to One Piece, ALTA LA had less episodes to summarize (OP LA season one had 96 episode to summarize into 8 episodes) and it's kinda sad it didn't turn out as well as OP LA did.
Have you seen One Piece Live Action? That one LA adaptation is really liked among fans and non-fans of the original manga. I enjoyed it too. Although I have to admit that there is also something wrong with the costumes (at least for a few episodes) - maybe that's the new Netflix idea that fans would love the LA if it looks like cheap cosplay.
I think in One Piece, the "cosplays" look alright because unlike Avatar, the characters are bonkers unrealistic. The have odd hair colors, body proportions, and very cosplayable outfits.
If you want to see an animated and live action version of the same story, I recommend "The Untamed" (live action) and "Mo Dao Zu Shi" (animated), if you don't have any issues listening to Mandarin dialogues. They're based off the same novel, but the live action version has more run time than the animated one. Both adaptations are fairly well-received, though there are certain elements that might be more difficult to understand if you're not familiar with the xianxia and wuxia genres.
I’ve been pretty much done with all these live-action remakes since 2019. Whenever I hear about a “new and exciting addition to the lineup of Disney/Netflix adaptations” I just immediately assume it’s gonna be a dumpster fire on release. Heck, I still struggle to believe it when people talk about the One Piece live action series actually being good.
The sad part is that the show is actually more real. Thats closer to how people dressed in the old times in the east. The idea of dirty clothes and lack of colors in the past its a thing from Hollywood that dont fit the reality.
All of these "remake/adaptation" people seem to just ignore what people actually like about the original. All I can say about Netflix's adaptation is...it's better than the movie. Which isn't a good thing
The info dump complaint is one I've heard about Madame Web too. Are we seeing AI writing at work? 😂 And I'm actually surprised they took out the sexist stuff seeing as how Hollywood loves making men out to be misogynists at every opportunity.
The animation was a masterpiece. This show was still good. If you go into the mindset "ok it has to be like the animation" then you will always be disappointed. Amazing art style for how they portray the world. Its not supposed to be realistic but a fantasy setting. Exactly how I would expect how colorful the world of Avatar to be. Sure there are flaws but not as bad as how you making it out. My only critique is that they removed a lot of humor which was what the cartoon was all about.
I have to rewatch the first episode four times and then it took me one time to get through the second episode two attempts to get through the third episode and about two attempts to get through the 4th episode. I just can't stomach it. What they did with King boomy just pissed me off like why did they reveal who he was to aang so quick. They just dropped the ball changing the story rushing it they should have put it into like 16 to 20 episodes instead of eight
“My first girlfriend turned into the moon”
“That’s rough buddy”
"Hello Zuko here"
Also, that line is a lie. Suki was his first girlfriend.
@@BIGFRANKOL75 The first girl that kissed him, sure - albeit on the cheek. But he actually went on two dates with Yue; one on the bridge, and the other on Appa
Sokka should have said "The love of my life" instead of "My first girlfriend".
The irony that this show was supposed to be for mature audiences while at the same time having some of the most childish dialogue I've ever heard
I'm so tired of everyone wanting to do more 'mature' versions of Avatar, the movie, Korra and this are nowhere near as mature as the original, lol.
@@Fang1st it just shows you they have no clue who their audience is
@t The Fire Nation in the animation for actual kids was more imperialistic and itimidating than whatever this was I don't know how that's even possible.
There is Family Guy Mature, then there is Cyberpunk Edgerunners Mature.
@@randomlygeneratedname7171 azula looks like a child who's trying to avoid crying every 2 mins
"Netflix made a live-action ATLA"
"That's rough, buddy."
It wasn't the quenchiest
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@@kaelthunderhoof5619 lol,
no matter how much cactus juice you have
It's no wonder why the creators DiMartino and Konietzko left when the live action started production. They left posts on Instagram saying Netflix wanted to change the vision of what their show is, and wanted to make it very clear that they have no involvement with Netflix's adaption.
To be fair, Korra was unwatchable and they clearly lost their energy.
@@jimjamjoeyjoejoeWrong. Korra is a great show and it shows that Bryke still have a lot of spark.
@@jimjamjoeyjoejoe Honestly, I liked Korra and didn't have any problems with it other than it's not as good as Avatar the Last Air Bender.
@@vetarlittorf1807 personally, I hated Korra as a show and almost as much hated the character (just didn’t like her personality). I thought a lot of the world building choices were bad given what we’d already seen in the original show. However, I’d never conclude from the show that the creators lost their spark of creativity. I just disagreed with their choices.
And I didn't see their names in the end credits
Removing sokkas sexism arc only to ironically make suki a creep towards him, taking away kataras emotions, jealousy, motherly qualities and her bossiness, Aang not being playful enough and too determined to fulfill his responsibilities when that’s supposed to be the whole arc of his throughout the show. Zuko not being as hotheaded and self loathing as he should’ve been. And yes, the worst part is the unbelievable amount of EXPOSITION. The show is all tell and no show. Although episode 6 is what I can call a genuinely good episode.
Sokkas removal of his attitude is the worst about his character. The original show constantly shows it to be something sokka needs to grow out of, and it keeps challenging him to do so. His assumptions of there being “natural” assignment of mens and womens roles ultimately gets him humbled, and it’s his misguided result of him having to step up when his father left him in charge when the men left. His assumptions of the kyoshi warriors having to have been men, calling their practice “dance lessons” only for them to beat him every time. Even though he’s emasculated by putting on the “dress” and makeup, it’s something he consciously chooses to still do in order to learn to fight from them. This completely underscores his jaded concept of there being masculine and feminine roles and changes his worldview by showing that they’re not opposing or paradoxical. You can be both. Which is why suki says “I’m a warrior, but I’m a girl too” after she kisses him.
The fact that he gets on his knees and asks suki to teach him, and suki says “even if im a girl?” just shows the importance of his arc. If someone doesn’t think that’s great story telling and an interesting story, I don’t know what is.
i def forgot about thiis
same as confucius culture in china they wer sexist
but im d only one in this section who liked the LA xd
Don't tell twitter. I stated this in a random post that praised the show and they treated me like I burned their flag.
I don’t even think that’s sexist to think, it’s just common sense.
Emasculating men is a quick sure fire way to dissolve the family unit.
Right?! In order to not make Sokka a sexist, they made Suki a sexist. Now, the only reason Suki falls for Sokka is Suki essentially going 'Ooh, a foreign boy!' That's just creepy and weird
In the cartoon, you understood the world and bending mechanics straight out of the opening credits so you didn't need the exposition through dialogue.
The pacing is so jarring. They leave the southern water tribe and the next scene they're instantly at the air temple, no sense of any time passing, it feels like it took them 30 mins to get there.
They wanted to make Avatar like GoT. Apparently S7 & 8 GoT. 🤦♂
@@thatHARVguy Netflix is so obsessed with GoT. Remember when The Witcher fist released? Netflix promoted it to be the next GoT. Look what happens now.
GOT early seasons makes a lot of money@@jarrodedson5441
And it was an important part of establishing the group dynamic that on the ride over, katara and sokka were worried about aang seeing what happened to the air temple. And then katara helped talk him out of the avatar state. It would have taken basically no extra time to have that relationship building in the show but they chose to skip it cause they're just worried about getting through story bullet points
@@jarrodedson5441 Because it was a massive IP that had a massive impact on our cultural zeitgeist and sold hundreds of millions of dollars of DVD's, Blu-rays, and general merch. They want their own GoT to get that replacement merch money for when Stranger Things ends.
I practically rolled my eyes out of their sockets during the scene where Sokka and Katara's grandmother literally recites the cartoon's opening monologue word for word 😂
That was awkward 😂
So did I . My wife and I were watching it and my wife just rolled her eyes. I said out loud “ You gotta be kidding me!”
Not only is that scene cringy, it also creates a huge problem. In the animated series, the old water tribe woman mentions that Aang might be the last air bender in passing, saying 'I thought air benders were extinct', to which Aang replies 'Extinct?' essentially not believing it, thinking of her as some crazy old woman. Aang learns that all the air benders were wiped out by the fire benders in a vicious attack when he visits the air temple with Katara and Sokka. Upon learning that information, he goes into the Avatar state out of anger and sadness. Makes sense. In LA however, the old woman from the water tribe tells Aang when he comes out of ice that Fire nation attacked and the Air temple was the first to fall, and that Air benders haven't been seen in a century. Upon learning that everyone he knows probably got burned alive, his reaction is to run out, sulk a little and then ask Katara about herself?! What?! Even if we think that LA version of Aang is a sociopath, when he visits the air temple, he sees the remnants of war and goes into the Avatar state out of anger and sadness?! Bro, didn't you already know that?!
I thought it was great and sweet! A wonderful nod to the intro. Since, you know, in the very first episode Katara says her grandma always told her this?
I don’t understand why this is a problem.
@@pantslesswrockbecause its too on the nose. its literally kataras intro word for word, and for what reason? it doesnt add anything, it actively takes away kataras importance as a character, and its way less impactful than the original way aang finds out its been 100 years. literally all the exposition reads like this. like the creators think youre too dumb to figure out the story on your own, so they need to answer and explain away any question you may have the second it enters your head. its insulting, considering this isnt even for kids like the original show, and it reads like a first draft. even more baffling considering they had like five years to work on this.
"Your lyrics lack subtlety. You can't just have your characters announce how they feel. That makes me feel angry!" -Robot Devil
That's why Marvin the Martian is one of my favorite characters. He takes what normally doesn't work for a character and makes it just a little quirk that fits with his personality as a no-nonsense soldier.
I ended up laughing at Kataras mom being roasted in the episode 2 flashback, it's so jarring and so fast I couldn't help but laugh
Dude, that was FUNNIEST part. I know EXACTLY what you mean!!!!! I laughed at that for days, bro! Oh my God, that was so funny. The fact that they actually showed her getting roasted alive, killed me 😂😂😂😂 It was so unnecessary and graphic!
What's even more funny is that the Katara in the show has no personality at all. You would think seeing your mother being roasted alive right before your eyes would give you some sort of character, like maybe trauma or something. But nope. She's a total bore. She's been relegated to Female Sidekick #1. lol
I don't have the fire for that anymore. The insufferable never-ending trend of the behind-the-scenes people getting everything wrong, doubling down, and destroy franchises.
Not only is the dialogue awful, it treats the audience as though they are just as stupid as the dialogue itself...
I agree 100% the points you make here. Especially the "tell, don't show" writing and that Zuko was written with to much knowledge about where his arc is ultimately going.
Iroh's first line to him straight up says "your dad thought finding the avatar was an impossible task and your retirn home might be unexpected" 🙄
It shouldn't have been a remake. They should've told a new original story set in the same world. I've wanted an Iroh life-story mini series for so long. I want to see how he went from so devoted to the fire nation to becoming what he became in the original series.
And it doesn't help that Katara's character felt subdued.
Katara isn't perfect, of course, but she had so many good qualities. She was both a warrior and a home-maker. She had a warmth that was also fiery when it needed to be.
No shade on the actor, but i feel Katara could have been portrayed better. It's partly because of the horrible writing in the show, and the fact that they didn't see it fit to get acting coaches to help immerse the actors into the emotional role of the characters.
Kiawentiio has a lovely smile, but I didn't need to see it every two seconds, because it wasn't fitting for her character
The live action Avatar used a full paragraph of dialogue to explain what the animated Avatar was able to get across in a single sentence (i.e. Sokka and Katara's back and forth about waterbending within the first five minutes of episode 1).
i only watched the episode 1, my own notes are as followed
the change of monk gyasto letting anng be taken away for training is an odd change, in the original he was strongly against him and anng separated, and the tragedy was that anng ran away before they could talk.....this was an odd change, can someone explain why they did this?
the fire nation attacks
my issue is with how the fire benders were portrayed during the comet, they didn't seem all that different without the comet, we should have seen giant fire balls and guys flying spraying massive flames, completely overwhelming destruction, unrestrained fire power.....the first episode didn't show that
The writers really want to rail home that's its aangs responsibility to be a super serious avatar. That he doesn't get to be a kid. So the writers let gyatso voice that he doesn't like aang being forced into training but ultimately they don't want to contradict the whole idea that he has to step up
Well you see, we don’t need to be shown how it’s more powerful the, because they tell us it’s more powerful. 😂
you're absolutely right on both points. especially the second aspect, that the fire benders don't seem any stronger during the comet, is widely ignored by most youtube reviews, even by the ones who claim to be die hard fans. In the original the firebenders powers are maxed up at about x100 times or even more once the comet arrives in the finale and on Netflix the firebending in the opening looks exactly the same as it does later on. it was also such a WOW moment in the cartoons season 3, when you get a grasp of the comets power and here they mindlessly trash that within the first 10 minutes. and yeah, you know you have a bad opening sequence at hand, if random people in the internet can bring up irrefutable arguments based on the finale (!!!!) of the source material. this is seriously amateurish writing.
My GF asked me if I wanted to watch it and I said no. Now she keeps talking about it by saying: "It's good... but...." which is telling when she can't say what's good about it and just skips to the complaints.
Whats gets me about the scene where Aang is awaked is that in the Netflix version it just seems kinda random where in the original katara loses control and her powers break the ice. If they didn’t want to do sokkas sexism arc then why not just have the siblings have an argument. Same result and makes much more sense then what happened.
That scene was really bad.
1) They left Appa in there. If Zuko went for the glow then he couldve gotten Appa LOL.
2) Aang's place is very weird cuz itsnt under the iceberg and looks like normal ice berg. Thats why in the OG Iroh says weve been here before, there is nothing. So if Zuko search better then he couldve found him there since it looks very weird amongs all that. I guess nobody went there for 100 years.
3) That thing looked like released itself. Yeah people argue Katara did that but NO. Katara was focused on the kanoe not the ice. So it sensed Katara's bending? Why didnt that thing released itself before we can ask it now. Before Sokka's sexism caused Katara to be angry and break the iceberg and revealed Aang's spherical thing and Katara break it physically. Not that it break itself when sensed Katara's bending? LOL.
Also how is that air bending guys so idiot. As well as that earth kingdom spy. the troubling news were there even before that in the OG. Thats why they told Aang before he was 16 yo, he was the avatar. And that attack didnt happen when they say, Aang u r the avatar. In netflix, Aang learns he is the avatar and that night fire nation attacks. Also also Aang fly his bison into the storm to clear his head? LOL. I guess they didnt teach him not to fly your bison into the storm for a casual flight.
They tried to remove the sexism in the show, but ironically they made katara in a more sexist way ☠️☠️
This is so rude....
You guys with your sexism... I hate this show, but if anything, Katara acts exactly the way I act in my real life. I respect men and I fully understand that I am weaker then them and that I will need protection if there's a danger. Even if I will practice martial arts, I wouldn't compete with men, because they are just naturally stronger than me... By far :/ and I don't see anything wrong with that. And I don't see anything wrong in me as a girl being capable to do "women" stuff like cooking, sewing, cleaning, sitting with children and etc.
Why it's even a problem? Why women can't be ... Well... Women? It's natural things, like women having longer hair or different organs. We ARE different. You can't just deny that.
@@olyabutorina6869 I don't know who is more confused here, me or you. He's right though. Katara got most of her feminine qualities erased in favor of her being an empty shell of a person who exposits how she or anyone else is feeling. Who's drive to learn waterbending is not because it's apart of who she is, but to become a warrior to prove herself against the men, in other words, pushing her into a more masculine realm. The writers completely missed the point of the character and act like her old feminine qualities are a hindrance when those qualities are why she was such a good character in the first place. This is modern writing for female characters, suppress the feminine and up lift the masculine because the best thing a woman can be is a man. That is sexist lmao
I think in order to not make Sokka a sexist, they made Suki a sexist. Now, the only reason Suki falls for Sokka is Suki essentially going 'Ooh, a foreign boy!' That's just creepy and weird
@@olyabutorina6869 I don't know why you're getting offended by this. They literally removed all motherly traits from Katara, so yes I would consider that as more sexist. I think you're reading wayy too far into what was said.
Great insights, Jester. I've lost a lot of interest in remakes. While they have the money and technology to actually make them, they don't have the talent and courage to capture what made the originals good. We are constantly saying, "That could never be made today", and it shows.
I think part of the problem is the "test and find out" approach to this remake, they should have researched all 3 seasons and made them green lit together but it feels like they researched 1 and partly 2 because as they replaced Sokka's story they just made his arc this season about leadership and skill... Which was what the Black Sun and "the master" plots in S3 were about, as well as "Bato", which was changed to be a failure before his dad left in this adaptation with a flashback.
All of the wigs were WILD.
ly bad
Yue especially 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hate how they just tell you everything about characters and changed and added things that completely takes away from their transformation later on. First time watching the animated series I was shocked that Iroh actually cared about the spirits and the world in the S1 finale and yes he doesn't seem like a terrible guy throughout the start but you still view him as an antagonist because he is associated with Zuko (he shoots fire at the gang at the start) later on you realize he just sticks with Zuko to watch over him bc he loves him as he finds himself. But in the Netflix show they basically tell you this guy is not a bad guy with the added scenes and also adding Katara and Sokkas mothers death scene now completely destroys her arc with Zuko and the impact of that eps. Especially if they were planning to do all seasons. They wrecked the mystery of the series.
Damn! did they cast katara in this adaptation or was it just some random npc who tagged along for the ride?
I know right, I think she does a decent portrayal but the writing nueders all of the characters if their defining traits. I have mixed opinions on what I've seen
@@kalesmart1she just can’t act in all seriousness
@@notBrockerThe sad part is that actually she can. Watch her in other stuff and you’ll see
Either way I think it's time that people, writers and fans alike, GIVE UP on live action Avatar. It doesn't work and no one knows what they're doing. Just give it a rest and save us the headache.
Yeah it won’t be as good in live action
I quite enjoyed watching the live action Avatar movie. Many people were saying that it was bad but after watching the TV series maybe they would appreciate the movie more 😂
Its funny that they dont trust the audience and info dump everything cuz at times they expect you to have already seen the animated series. Like when the Gaang teases Sokka about Suki. We know they like each other from the animated series but the show has yet to show it
Fully agree with everything you said, lmao.
Especially the part where the person says "That person's an Earthbender" that was my literal reaction when he said it, like dude, we can see it's an Earthbender. 😂😂
I have found costuming in all media has gotten real bad of late. I follow an account that posts closeups of LotR costumes and the care, thought, and craftsmanship put even into the clothing of the extras...but nothing these days has that at all.
Avatar world and history are huge. It should been different past avatar so it would be new and they would more freedom writing it.
Couldn't agree more about their failure to trust the audience. They didn't even need to make any changes to the original story beats, and every single departure was for the worse. Aang's speech about "who I am" came off as incredibly clumsy and unrealistic dialogue writing
I wouldn’t say that sokka had a boys are better than girls mentality. He grew up in a place where all the men were warriors and the women stayed and took care of the kids and stuff and so he fell into the the mentality that certain genders do certain things
Personally I think live actions as a whole are a waste but hoping that hollywood gives up on that entirely is a bust because that would mean people(outside of the fans) would have to respect animation.
It feels like spy kids and it feels more childish than the original cartoon.
Makes me wonder how the hell One Piece managed to pull this off.
Probably because Oda was involved.
The original creator was heavily involved and if they didn't want to do what he said he would've cancelled the contract in a heartbeat. That man doesn't need the money anyways.
Oda was involved. The series had a big amount of reshoot because Oda didn't like the original shoot. That's why OPLA works.
Well, I think the main reason that show worked is that it had people involved who actually cared about maintaining the spirit of the source material, including the original creator. With this show, on the other hand, the atmosphere was more along the lines of "We threw out certain elements because they didn't work for us personally, but fingers crossed it doesn't affect the overall quality 🤪"
I don't understand why netflix doesn't want to listen to Avatar's original creator, like they use the name of the franchise lol@@P.Whitestrake
I think this is a case of "Appreciate it while you got it because things can always get worse." In 10 years, the entertainment landscape will probably be so bare we will be begging for content that reaches this level of quality.
There was a interview a couple of days before it came out (when they showed the first episode) where the creators said that the "exposition" issue as mainly an episode 1 thing and that it would get better later on; that's the only reason i continued watching until episode 3 before giving up.
This script it's truly one of the worst scripts i have seen in a while, it outshines whatever good things the show might have going on, not even fanfictions would dare to break the "show, don't tell" rule to the degree this show does
I might continue watching just to see how bad it can get
Episode 1 and 6 were actually written by the original creators
@@hassansulaiman3848stop lying they actually left before production stated
@@ok-hc4he no search it up kid
This video is a classic example of "mere fans having more understanding of creative nuances than the remake writers who actually received the paycheck."
I guess that's the gist of it, that fans are fans because they recognized the art and beauty of something while some writers who don't were just there to get paychecks and ruin something great.
I gave up after Katara Mary Sued a hundred foot wall of water into existence. And after watching Supercut Delight's video on the worst changes they made, I'm glad I didn't give it another chance. Also, showing the princess as proof that the movie had better hairstyles was definitely the wrong example
7:25 everyone is sexist in kindergarten and then they grow up. such a weird way of looking at things .this is unnecessary political correctness
It's even still happening to this day. My friend at work says her young daughter is constantly criticized for "looking like a boy" just because she enjoys playing outside and gets scraped sometimes, when we're supposed to be in a time where the bending of rules and expectations is supposed to be what people should be applauded for.
Sokka didn't think that boys are better than girls. He had a sexist and closed mind about gender roles, but he never thought that women were inferior
I’m a BIG ATLA fan. I watched the animated series when it was first released in 2005 (I was in 3rd year college). I’ve rewatched it countless times. Now at 40, still my favourite. I’ve watched it multiple times with my 2 small kids and they’re inlove with it.
Now with the live action adaptation in Netflix, surprisingly I’m ok with it. Was it perfect? Nope but I still did enjoyed it. There were some “meh” moments for sure but there were lots of goods as well. I feel like some changes were necessary. My kids on the other hand were more critical. They took noticed of the changes and quite unhappy. They love the action / bending scenes though.
Kudos to us that appreciate the show. It wasn’t perfect but it wasn’t bad either. I enjoyed it. In fact I finished season 1 in one sitting.
Well the bar is already in hell for Hollywood so when we see a semi decent show we're more forgiving. I personally am very picky about what I watch because I demand good storytelling as someone who writes stories herself so I'm not ok with decent, it's either it's good or it's not don't waste people's time and energy.
Apparently Netflix think it's not okay for Sokka to be sexist but it's okay for him to be a cheater? At least in the cartoon, it was Suki who kisses Sokka on the cheek as a reward for Sokka's apology and realization of his sexist attitude towards her and also as a reminder she is a girl. They dangled their love in the air, it was there but no one confessed or called it official, it was just hinted that they liked each other. But in this, they full out kiss and then next few episodes later, Sokka kisses Yue, another girl, and I believe in another dialogue at one of the episodes, Katara mentions Sokka flirting with a firebender girl. I was just baffled by the whole thing that they made Sokka's character so dirty, womanizing people left and right on purpose. You hit the nail on the costumes and the overall vibes of the Netflix series, it wasn't bad for me but it wasn't great as well, it felt really off like it wants to be like the cartoon exactly but also not exactly by changing the dialogues, character arcs and growth, etc. I just hope they get better directors for season 2, the only scenes I enjoy were Avatar Kyoshi's appearance and Jet's scenes, their scene direction was well acted out and directed imo.
The only point I disagree about is the costuming (for the most part) I did like the costume design itself (mostly.) i felt that they added a good amount of realistic embellishment while also keeping the basic design of the cartoon. Although there were some costumes I did not like the design of.
I had more of a problem with the lack of weathering on the costumes and the hair and make up. It wasn’t all of the costumes but some of them stuck out especially.
The props I felt like were hit or miss as well. Sokkas club looked awful. His boomerang looked like it was ripped straight from the cartoon without any realistic embellishment. Also why was his boomerang made from metal? It should have been hewn from bone or ivory.
"If you liked the sho-"... Nope, i hated it and will happily see another youtuber tear it apart :)
I couldn't finish myself. I stopped at we Ep4
I feel the same way. I made it to the start of the 4th episode when i couldn't take it anymore and started to watch the OG series again LOL
There was no point to remake this in live action. The original is perfect. Just watch the original. And stop watching these Netflix remakes so Netflix can give up already.
What’s funny is that despite them removing sokka’s sexism to avoid controversy or something they gave that to pakku at the end of the season and basically tried to get away with it cause he’s an old man adult instead of a teenager like Sokka.
Dawg, i stopped at episode 1 too.
There was so much goddamn repetition i just checked out.
I was also really disappointed in Iroh's characterization. You don't get the warmth Uncle exuded.
Agreed
Honestly my heart goes out to the creators. They put their heart and soul into lovingly crafting this world and it's characters, yet unfortunately have been burned not _once,_ but _TWICE_ now by big studios who took THEIR vision and turned it into something else entirely. ☹️ They are probably incredibly disheartened. I would say that they need to do a better job at negotiations when choosing who to work with and how much control to relinquish in live action.
For instance, when J.K. Rowling decided to adapt her _Harry Potter_ books into live action, she made sure to include in her contract that she would retain a certain amount of control on set. For example, initially the studio or director (can't remember which one) was going to cast a White child in the role of Dean Thomas, who is Black. J.K. Rowling stepped in and put a stop to it, making sure that they knew that this kid was Black. They also were going to make Dumbledore wistfully recount memories about a woman from his youth that he'd been in love with. Rowling stepped in and told them that Dumbledore was gay and made them change the whole "love story" thing.
Team Avatar doesn't seem to retain such control in their adaptions, but maybe this is due to the fact that they share a percentage of ownership with Nickelodeon studios? I am unsure if that's actually the case, here, but if not then they most definitely need to get better agents to negotiate on their behalf. The _Avatar_ franchise is HUGE, and the creators honestly should have a lot more pull and authority than what they've been getting.
"superficial" is the best way I've heard it described. agree 100%
I have only watched the first two episodes and what I have to say is
"The effects were decent"
I'm so glad to hear someone that has basically the exact same takes as me (even down to the costumes being better in the movie lol), I was honestly beginning to feel like the only one. I think the failure of this show really just speaks to the death of writing in media as a whole, and it's unfortunate because I was really trying to give this show the benefit of the doubt, but I ended up giving up about halfway through the first episode and then skimmed through the rest because I was seriously so bored and frustrated that it was actually painful for me to consume.
Regarding what you said about Zuko, I think one of the reasons why he was so threatening in the original show is because he was portrayed as this hot-headed loose cannon that really no one knew what he was capable of because he was so desperate to find Aang and regain his honor, but not only do they cut out that aspect of his character and key scenes demonstrating that (like the Zhao Agni Kai and training scenes with Iroh), they instead refocus his motivation to be a contest for the throne with his sister, rather than solely focusing on his shame for being cast out and his intense need to regain the love and acceptance of his father.
Finally someone who doesn't pretend that the netflix show isn't fucking shit
Azula is probably the most egregious one for me.
"Look how they massacred my girl."
i almost got excited when Azula brought the lightning out, but that quickly faded
They did roku so wrong.
I miss that contrast between Sokka's earlier little teen foolishness (and getting schooled!) with Suki, and then that MASSIVE pride later on where Katara waterbent those alleyway bullies into some ice, and Sokka's response was to just go: "Water Tribe!" -- SO proud of his sister.
My biggest gripe as far as the costumes are concerned is the lack of makeup work on Zuko's face.
Dude looks like he got punched in the eye instead of SEARED LIKE A STEAK BY FLAMES🔥🔥🔥
Even the cartoon series made it look more gruesome and painful.
Exactly he looks like he rubbed his face hard or something not actually getting burnt with fire
netflix's adaptation looks like the play during the final book that Ang and the gang watch when in the fire nation.
It's funny you mentioned costuming, because I almost never care about that, but I couldnt stop staring at the cloth that Aangs clothes were made from. So in the Air temple they show Aang flying without a glider, but then they try to make it seem like Aangs in trouble when he gets shot down from his glider.
I'm so glad you came out with this video. It's like the show it's all the right plot points but misses all the details. And it seems like everyone's just trying to get on the good side of Netflix
NPCs in the original show have more interesting and realistic dialog than main characters in this one.
They absolutely butchered Bumi
They butchered pretty much all the characters. But Bumi, Roku and Katara were the worst offenders in my opinion.
@@theatricalityanddeceptionAnd Azula 😩
I'm sometimes hesitant to call out examples of "telling not showing" because I'm the exact kind of dummy that writing's made for.
My reading comprehension was marked in highschool as "so low, it's a level rarely ever seen". Took until I was 12 to pick up that Woody the cowboy was jealous of Buzz Lightyear...
If ATLA isn’t an anime, then how come its live action Netflix show sucks? Checkmate.
I’m honestly baffled at how these screenwriters get into the industry (as it surely can’t be based on merit) when they’re demonstratively clueless about so many of the fundamentals of storytelling, the exposition dumps, inauthentic dialogue, nonexistent awareness of pacing, lack of understanding about what a character arc is and how to write one and give it thematic relevance, failure to track the cause and effect of the plot events and character arc progression (especially in assuring their changes are properly integrated into both), additionally, always starting with backstory scenes before establishing who a character is and making the audience care, something the original show was amazing at, it’s why those backstory reveal episodes unanimously became fan favourites!
The success of the original series was not random, it still stands as a masterclass in storytelling that all writers can learn from analysing, but nothing about the Netflix adaptation makes me believe these new show runners have actually done that.
The film/tv industry in the West has a neurotic obsession with “same but different” pitches, so I presume this is why these “a remake “but different”” pitches get greenlit so often, the “different” part usually being a different ideological approach that appeals to the ideological leanings/modern sensibilities of the executives, but one that is ultimately going to destroy the thematic cohesion of the source material.
The changes made to the majority of live action remakes ALL have this problem, they aren’t willing to completely overhaul the original source material to make their changes work, they try to have it coexist with unchanged elements of the old story (in part because changing it too much means losing the “same” half their pitch relied on) which inevitably becomes a incoherent mess because it never commits to being either a faithful remake or a fully fledged reimagining.
This explains so much of my feelings with this adaptation. It's like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too, do a one to one adaptation but also add in original elements but they don't do the work to make those things fit or make an original story out of existing material.
I watched the entire thing. I think it was alright. It does serve the purpose of nostalgia and cheap thrills (having some famous lines repeated and cabbage man/secret tunnel etc.) I had fun watching it but I was not completely engaged or sucked in for more than 10 minute spells in between. Seeing Kyoshi be more prominent was cool. There was always something that would bring you out of emersion, whether it's the pacing or an awkward moment and dialogue sequence that doesn't progress the plot and leave you wonder why was that line not changed or cut? I think the actors tried their best and are inexperienced clearly and I hope they will grow in the following 2 seasons. I think the script and dialogue is the main thing that makes this like a casual background watching kinda show and where they failed the most. The effects for the bending were pretty good for most battle sequences.
You're right, everything felt so fake.
I think they weren't sure what they wanted to be and so ended up being nothing good
Here's my biggest what the hell moment. In the animated series, the old water tribe woman mentions that Aang might be the last air bender in passing, saying 'I thought air benders were extinct', to which Aang replies 'Extinct?' essentially not believing it, thinking of her as some crazy old woman. Aang learns that all the air benders were wiped out by the fire benders in a vicious attack when he visits the air temple with Katara and Sokka. Upon learning that information, he goes into the Avatar state out of anger and sadness. Makes sense. In LA however, the old woman from the water tribe tells Aang when he comes out of ice that Fire nation attacked and the Air temple was the first to fall, and that Air benders haven't been seen in a century. Upon learning that everyone he knows probably got burned alive, his reaction is to run out, sulk a little and then ask Katara about herself?! What?! Even if we think that LA version of Aang is a sociopath, when he visits the air temple, he sees the remnants of war and goes into the Avatar state out of anger and sadness?! Bro, didn't you already know that?!
Zuko got better by the end but the first 2 or 3 episodes I thought he was gonna break down and start crying at any moment. They flat out slaughtered Azula's character.
Yessssss. They made her too emotional . Typical azula is not. And she was supposed to be trained by 2 older twin ladies not what she was doing in the live action. I don’t know why they removed that part.
They hired cosplayers to do the costumes and fan fic writers to do the writing.
I think the best way to describe it is it feels like a community theatre production of ATLA, but they had to write their own script because they couldn't afford the rights to the original
Please, fanfic writers could do better
I think the producers thought this was an anime, so they added 50% more exposition to make it more "faithful".
I cackled when i saw firelord sozins fake beard and wig.
You summed it up perfectly
I loved the first episode. Made me cry seeing it as a real life perspective, makes the original story seem more painful. See actual facial emotions making me thing, man this kid just lost all his friends and family in a blink of an eye. the only thing I hate is Sokkas chin.
Sokka is giving the crimson chin from the fairly odd parents a run for his money 😭😂
@@iamsh0t0 lamoo!!
It's funny how they made the northern water tribe even more sexist, in the cartoons it's a joke that the little boy thinks he's in charge but in the new show he actually is in charge of all these adult women
Haha I get your pain haha try recording reactions to it hahaha ughh
And all the people that think it's good say episode 4 and 6 make it. Like, I'm not going to watch 3 movies to try and find out if I like it for small portions or not. Newsflash saw clips and although heart-warming iroh and zuko were, the producers clearly wanted to emotion bait with Leaves From The Vine. Which worked on the people that were able to get to that point.
Not to mention they did secret tunnel but turned the nomads into a random group that doesn't even go through the secret tunnels they're outside of it in a different cave for acoustics. Sokka and Katara go through them to mend their falling apart brother sister relationship which they don't hint at at all beforehand. All they did was rush everything with no growth involved.
These people need to chill. You can dislike the show without the need to go out your way and harass the actors. Bullying is CRAZY; these people need MEDICATION AND THERAPY. Imo the series isn't very good, BUT it's nowhere as bad as the 2010 ATLA movie adaptation or even the live-action Death Note (bad reviews) or the live-action Cowboy Bebop (mixed reviews); both of which GOT CANCELLED.....Tbh, the Netflix live-action Avatar for me was a 4/10. The CGI had some choppy moments that could've been reviewed and fixed given that this production had a $15million per episode budget, the script was unfortunately weak given a few of the re-writes which didn't play out the character development well, and the acting wasn't very good from the main cast at all in my opinion. I understand that the main cast (Aang, Katara, Sokka, & Zuko) are all newcomers and for the majority of them, this is their first big gig but they definitely NEED to take some more acting lessons to better the craft, if the show manages to get picked up for a season2. 'Katara' lacked emotion, 'Sokka' didn't have great comedic timing, and 'Aang' & 'Zuko' weren't consistent with their character/line-delivery during some scenes. The show is receiving mixed reviews (within reason), so its honestly a toss up on whether it'll be able to survive to see another season. It's on par to the feedback/criticism CowBoy Bebop got...so only time will tell. I do wish the cast the best of luck though. I will note that I found the secondary & tertiary characters to be more enjoyable to watch than the main characters. Arden Cho as June, Sebastian Amoruso as Jet, and Maria Zhang as Suki were absolutely SPOT ON with their acting and great casting choices!
Completely agree with you !
Everyone didn’t find out at the same time as him .
When it came to character adaptations, the 2 girls are the most egregious imo. If I didn’t know Katara was supposed to be Katara, I’d be like “who’s this random girl travelling with them?” She’s so mild mannered; it’s like they had a checklist of character traits and just took the first 2: optimistic and nurturing. But Katara is soooo much more than that. And Azula, why is she so much like Zuko with the hot temper and insecurities?! She should be the exact opposite, cold and manipulative. It was soooo frustrating to watch. Kinda terrified to see them tackle Toph…
You mention how the removal of Sokka’s sexism does a lot to impact the story right from the first episode. In addition to that, I feel like what they’ve done with Katara adds to the issue in much the same way. It’s like they were too scared that the show would offend people if they committed to that portrayal of Sokka, while at the same time they substantially watered down Katara and her more fiery/outspoken personality, as if they were scared that presenting her as too “#girlboss” would also upset a certain demographic of people…it’s just so typical of mainstream screenwriting these days. Everything has to be so sanitized to mitigate even the slightest risk of not appealing to the widest audience possible, which results in bland characters, and stories that aren’t capable of exploring their themes with any sort of compelling depth.
I honestly enjoyed it, the uncle iroh scene with zuko after his son died made me WHEEP 😢 that song.
I had a different problem; I could not start it.
I could NOT finish it. If the original creators had stayed on it would have been gold!!!!!
Of all the videos about the live action Avatar, this one most accurately sums up all my gripes with the show.
If you thought the monologue from Rebel Moon was bad......there is like a bunch of those in this.
Totally agree on the adaptations being a new norm that just feel like hollow copy cats, or fan made concept fiction.
I get movie or tv adaptations from comics or books to live action because the medium is so drastically different. Seeing text or still images to motion is a good transition.
But when seeing an animation to tv or movie, it just seems a bit pointless because any criticism of changes to the story is usually met with "its an adaptation what you expect?" If the changes result in an inferior product, then whats the point of the adaptation and why not just watch the original. Side note is that video games is a whole other ball game but thats a different topic.
With all the things you have said, Netflix's Avatar has been crowned the #1 show in the world.
I remember my ex being disapointed of the end of Korra.
Why? Because Korra and Asami were just holding hands instead of tasting what the otehr one had in the stomach or making out for five minutes.
It's weird they didn't keep the sexism of Sokka's character beliefs in the beginning. It wasn't an issue when it was made blatantly clear in the One Piece Live adaptation for Zoro's backstory (how his rival was discouraged to be a swordswoman because she was a girl). It ended up strengthening the character instead when Zoro wanted his rival to chase that dream instead. It's basically cutting out growth from Sokka because he was in a teen phase. Then again, I guess they made a lot of weird decisions with ATLA LA. Compared to One Piece, ALTA LA had less episodes to summarize (OP LA season one had 96 episode to summarize into 8 episodes) and it's kinda sad it didn't turn out as well as OP LA did.
Have you seen One Piece Live Action? That one LA adaptation is really liked among fans and non-fans of the original manga. I enjoyed it too. Although I have to admit that there is also something wrong with the costumes (at least for a few episodes) - maybe that's the new Netflix idea that fans would love the LA if it looks like cheap cosplay.
I think in One Piece, the "cosplays" look alright because unlike Avatar, the characters are bonkers unrealistic. The have odd hair colors, body proportions, and very cosplayable outfits.
If you want to see an animated and live action version of the same story, I recommend "The Untamed" (live action) and "Mo Dao Zu Shi" (animated), if you don't have any issues listening to Mandarin dialogues. They're based off the same novel, but the live action version has more run time than the animated one. Both adaptations are fairly well-received, though there are certain elements that might be more difficult to understand if you're not familiar with the xianxia and wuxia genres.
I’ve been pretty much done with all these live-action remakes since 2019. Whenever I hear about a “new and exciting addition to the lineup of Disney/Netflix adaptations” I just immediately assume it’s gonna be a dumpster fire on release. Heck, I still struggle to believe it when people talk about the One Piece live action series actually being good.
The sad part is that the show is actually more real.
Thats closer to how people dressed in the old times in the east.
The idea of dirty clothes and lack of colors in the past its a thing from Hollywood that dont fit the reality.
All of these "remake/adaptation" people seem to just ignore what people actually like about the original. All I can say about Netflix's adaptation is...it's better than the movie. Which isn't a good thing
The info dump complaint is one I've heard about Madame Web too. Are we seeing AI writing at work? 😂
And I'm actually surprised they took out the sexist stuff seeing as how Hollywood loves making men out to be misogynists at every opportunity.
The animation was a masterpiece. This show was still good. If you go into the mindset "ok it has to be like the animation" then you will always be disappointed. Amazing art style for how they portray the world. Its not supposed to be realistic but a fantasy setting. Exactly how I would expect how colorful the world of Avatar to be. Sure there are flaws but not as bad as how you making it out. My only critique is that they removed a lot of humor which was what the cartoon was all about.
I have to rewatch the first episode four times and then it took me one time to get through the second episode two attempts to get through the third episode and about two attempts to get through the 4th episode. I just can't stomach it. What they did with King boomy just pissed me off like why did they reveal who he was to aang so quick. They just dropped the ball changing the story rushing it they should have put it into like 16 to 20 episodes instead of eight