INSIDE THE MARKET - The 928 Past and Present
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2022
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PCARMARKET's Creative Director Gregory Coe joins David and Jim to look back at the genesis of the Porsche 928. The team also looks at the impact the 928 had on the Porsche 911 and how it’s looked at today regarding culture and investment opportunity. - Авто та транспорт
When you own a Black 928 s4 and you are driving down the beach Rd in a peaceful N Florida town, it just does not get any better.
Bravo guys👍🏽. Thank you for the history of one of my all time favorite cars. I’m 56 yrs old now, my love affair with cars started early like most of us. At 9-10 yrs old, I knew what a Porsche was supposed to look like, right, a 911. My first sighting of a 928, late 70’s, was from the rear, with the big “PORSCHE” lettering on the back, my jaws dropped and my eyes popped out my head. All the glass and the wide big rear, and the long flat front end, I knew this was special for Porsche. The dimensions compared to the 964 are mind blowing. So, thanks again for the timeline history of one of my all time favorite cars.🙌🏽🙏🏽
Bought a ‘78 928, 5-speed, petrol blue with pasha interior in great condition just out of college for $5k in ‘95.
Enjoyed it for almost 10 years even as a commuter. Car treated me very well, few problems. Sold it for what I originally paid. 997 owner now but sure wish I still had that 928.
I think the early cars are the most special. No wing on back or lip up front, clean sides with no bumpers on the doors, phone dial wheels, relatively lightweight, cool interior particularly with pasha. Awesome cars.
I’ve had a GT for 20+ years and LOVE IT! I also have 911t and a 996cab and the GT is the best of the all!
FYI, Porsche is the featured marque at the 2022 Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix (PVGP) races in Pittsburgh, PA, in July. These are the only Grand Prix races held on city streets in the USA, which is entirely too cool all by itself. To add some flare, between July 22-24, 928 enthusiasts from across the country and Canada will be gathering for the annual Rendezvous 928 "shark frenzy" in Schenley Park with 50+ 928s registered to attend. Special editions include the very first and the very last 928s offered for sale to the public (not in the Porsche Museum). The latter being the most highly optioned 928 GTS in existence with $70,000 in options alone and an MRSP over $171,000.00. If you'd like to truly take in the 928 experience, then this event is for you. From the 1st 928 production car to the last GTS and everything in between from pristine stock examples to supercharged racers and daily drivers will be in attendance. You should make the effort to come out to Schenley Park and visit with the Sharks... and their owners are a rambunctious group!
Great discussion. I own a ‘84 928S. Great cars. Misunderstood by the general Porsche air-cooled contingent, but slowly starting to get the recognition it deserves. One very important point of the 928 lore that history has gotten wrong is that Porsche did not design the car to replace the 911. In ‘71 they didn’t know how much longer they could build the 911 but they didn’t have plans to stop its production in favor of 928s at that time. The 928 was Porsche reading the American market for a bigger more luxurious sports car. The 928 from day one was the most expensive Porsche at the dealership and remained that way for its 18 year run, save for the 930. Before the 928, the 924 was introduced as the entry level Porsche. Leading into the ‘80’s the 911 production was finally scheduled to end at the end of ‘81. However it was not the 928 that Porsche planned to take the 911’s place in their lineup. In an interview in Panorama magazine in 1980, Ernst Furhmann alludes to a car that Porsche had in development that would sit in the market space that the 911 was in. That car turned out to be the 944. Porsche had envisioned an all transaxle lineup with the 924, 944, and 928 after the cancellation of the 911. The truth is, no one Porsche was ever designed to replace the 911, instead Porsche was methodically planning a family of sports cars that could reach a much wider market than they felt the 911 ever could. The notion the Porsche, in 1971, sat down and planned obsolescence for the 911 by designing the 928 to replace it, makes for a good story, but it was just never the case.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.
It's neat to hear some of the back stories on certain cars and wondering if the story really matches up to what really happened.
I like stories like the Ford Probe, the US market E36 M3, the 1995 E36 M3 Lightweight.
Thanks for clearing that up, that myth puzzled me for years. The 928 was so radically different from the 911 in every way it made little sense that the 928 was developed to replace the 911 and throw a substantial number of loyal 911 customers into the toilet. I owned a 928 S4 for 13 years and came across many air cooled 911 owner die hard to know they would’ve been lost by Porsche forever if the 928 was to succeed the 911.
I’ve owned a 1986.5 5 speed for 25 years and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned.
Excellent historical account of the 928👍🏽👍🏽
I own a 1983 black on black 5 speed 928S with BBS wheels. Stunning very modern looking car. It has a Stage 1 supercharger from 928 Motorsport in Wisconsin. Fast very solid grand tourer . Interior leather in very good condition. Still turns heads and wins awards at car shows.
great video. I'm glad the 928 is talked about. I love my 88 928 S4 Diamond Blue Metallic.
Do you still have it?
@@tkong888 Yes sir
I've grown to really like the Porsche 928. Great video. I learned a lot. It was fun to watch.
Great piece. Would like to see a deep dive on 924/944/968 series as well.
People see 911's all the time. These, like my 944 S2, are rare. I enjoy the rare. I have to believe their value will continue to increase.
The early and later cars are seeing great traction in the collector market. A nice low mile Pasha car will sell for $75,000 and up. A good low mile GTS will also sell for well over $75K.
Great job gentlemen!!
lovely episode!
I'm a fan and 'a treat' … great car, its influence is still seen to this day in the 911 and car designs, but keeping them roadworthy is getting more difficult everyday; Parts are becoming impossible to find, 3rd party/ aftermarket involvement is decreasing as the production numbers were never large. Sadly, 928 savvy mechanics are either retired or no longer with us.
Notice that the key slot is on the right of the steering wheel. Wonder why the departure from Porsche.
the 928 won European Car of the Year 1977. No other "sports" car has ever won "Car" of the year. the 928 also has won the 1986 Bonneville Salt flats "fastest production car." A subsequent 928 went on to set another production car record. 50/50 weight distribution a complete blank slate/blank check project. the 928 is a GT but its a complete car. Let's face it, the 911 is the poor man's 928. No disrespect - just calling balls and strikes as the 911(964) sold for $30k vs the 928's price of $85k. Its now or never for the 928 as prices have already started to spike given the Risky Business 928 selling at Barett Jackson for a record $1.98mm. The 928 is the one poster/movie car that has not sky rocketed in value like the Testarossa, Delorean and Countach have. Ask Magnus Walker who has apparently quietly started a 928 collection of his own. Ask any 928 owner - its a daily driver/grocery getter 100% reliable. no rust due to galvanized steel and aluminum body parts. Steel trap doors, single monocoque frame equals no creaks. the 928 is as good as it gets in analog sports cars.
Very Interesting perspective.
I feel the reason the 928 didn’t reach the value pinnacles of the 911 is because it is a Porsche with no racing heritage.
Porsche could bring back the 928 by making a 2-door Panamera with a standard V8.
Awesome discussion on the 928. Here's a fascinating look at a pure 928 enthusiast The Midnight Rider
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Only sports car ever to win European "Car" of the year. the 928 also set two Bonneville Salt Flats fastest production car land speed records. Its a movie star (Risky Business, Weird Science, Scar Face) and a Poster Super Car of the 1980s. Frankly, the 911 is the poorman's 928.
Here's how I can best describe the disdain that out there for 928's & 944's fir that matter. In 1980 I was a 16 year old kid working at a tire store, my boss owned 3 PORCHES, a 928, a 944 and a 911, at the time, I new NOTHING about the cars and didn't really care, it was all about fixing up muscle cars back then. So I had no prejudices between the 3, but I know one thing, over a very short amount of time I absolutely fell in love with that 911 and spent the next 40 years of my life struggling to obtain one, finally fulfilled that dream a few months back with a very clean, 70k mile 1999 "fried egg". And yes, IMS, RMS and clutch were all updated prior to purchase with 22 years of excellent documentation.
I think one of you said it best when you described the attraction for 911's as being visceral, it just never happened for many people with the 44 or 28, and that's why they failed... I think
The 911 is the poor man's 928
1985 was the year the S got the much hotter 4.9 l motor. 288hp was a rocket in 1985... beat the corvettes until the ZR1. the 1984 and older were real dogs IMO.
The one unfortunate thing about these cars is so many are in such bad shape. The dash didn't last. So many need to be gone over 100%..... which gets very expensive!
I owned a mint one with everything leather in the interior, black with beige inserts and piping still looked new the day I undersold the car but it was garaged half of its life.
I own a 1986 Porsche 928 5speed and I get Thumbs up from Tesla drivers. Also 500 hwy miles on a freeway on the 23 gallon fuel tank. 5 minutes fill up 😂
Win on Sunday. Sell on Monday. Ford, not Ferrari.
I'm local to you guys and if I were included in the question, I'd tell you exactly why. @24:38 The 928 is ugly as f@#$. The one view that is tolerable is a low frontal view. Otherwise, there is not a single view of this car that exudes sexy. The 928 is the buck toothed cousin that MIGHT at some point in the future get braces, but until then, it is just an ugly car.
nope hahhaha your taste buzz is ugly not the car hahahahhah
Its in the eye of the beholder my friend! something you may think is great looking may not be someone elses idea of beautiful... to each his own... Beauty that is perceived is relative
The cars that are ugly are the ones that are selling at the dealership, right now. In addition, those cars that are selling are made out of plastic, and to top it off, UGLY.