I love that Don never hooked up with Peggy, its what made this scene so touching. The fact that he was coming from a place of authentic vulnerability, the closest he ever came to seeing a woman as his equal.
@Chloe Pinehurst Have you even watched the show? They have a close personal relationship, and there's nothing romantic implied when Don kisses her hand. Don knows that Peggy is the irreplaceable backbone of the creative team at Sterling Cooper and losing her means losing both a vital colleague and confidant. Don's actions here are important because all throughout the show he treats Peggy terribly, dismissively and undervalues her work. This is the moment where Peggy finally realises her value as an adwoman is well above what Don has led her to believe. This final action of a kiss on the hand (as if Peggy is like royalty) reveals Don's true feelings towards Peggy. She is invaluable to Don, professionally and personally, but he has hidden this for so long so she couldn't use it against him. Now the jig is up.
@Chloe Pinehurst heavily downplaying don and peggy's relationship lol. don't know if u have watched the show or not but that kiss on the hand tells a lot and u can see it through her eyes, all the emotions going through both of them. the most intimate thing he has done for her up until that point was visit her at the hospital and taking her out for a dinner and some drinks one night, that kiss wasn't meant in a sexual manner or like he was trying to seduce her to stay or something of the sort lol, don has always not been clear in the way he expresses how he feels. thats basically his way of acknowledging she's quitting and in a few ways, his way of apologising for letting her down, or a goodbye (even if deep down they both knew this wouldn't be the end)
stopitwithusernames I totally agree with you. I think his respect for Peggy grew 1,000%, even though he's so sad she's leaving, he'd happy for her going after what she wants. Very touching scene.
That’s an interesting read I guess. Another is he didn’t even bother to stand up when she was leaving. Normally in formal proceedings it’s polite to stand up when someone leaves and in some cases when they enter a room. Giving notice and offering a handshake would have warranted Don politely standing and ending the encounter professionally. But he just kinda… leaned forward in his chair and slobbered on her hand. Probably because Don had likely ingested like a liter of booze by that point in the day.
@@MultiDean1980 I didn't see the kiss as boorish. It was a shift in power dynamic. By the end of the scene he kisses her hand like a vassal kissing the ring. And she ends it.
@@ISCDESIGNAustralia because it was positive, is why it hit Don so hard. He's so used to closing its hard to be the one to accept the close i guess? But yes, it happened this way so they can continue being true to one another I think.
@@jasonlefler3456 There is an idea of a Donald Draper, some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.
I love how Don starts with "have a drink with me." He clearly isn't in the mood to celebrate with his colleagues and just wants to have a quiet moment with a friend. Little did he know what was about to unfold...
I think that he doesn't feel like celebrating because he doesn't see it as his win, but as someone else's (i. e. Joan's). He tries bravado, owning that moment, but when he realizes he's lost her, he finally succumbs and has a rare honest moment. I think it's also telling that Peggy firmly pulls her hand away. This is her moment. She owns it.
I absolutely loved the relationship between Peggy and Don. It wasn't romantic, but it felt like it was even more than that, a more permanent kind of love between them. They truly care for one another, on a very personal level as well. Don is clearly Peggy's mentor, but as the series went on, sometimes, Peggy guides Don as well. A wonderful work of television.
Andrea Lee I always love a good example of a male and female platonic relationship. People see so many people get together just because they’re convenient that a lot of people believe you “can’t” be “just” friends, and it bugs me. It’s immature and it bugs me. There are some friendships like this that are somewhat like a healthy relationship with a sibling. You give them a hard time sometimes maybe and have buttons they push reaaallly well, but they know more about you than almost anyone, they campaign on your behalf, and they will destroy anyone who hurts you. It can happen. And it was awesome to see Don and Peggy wind up with that kind of vibe.
@@SunflowerSpotlight Yeah it's heart-breaking to realize when people see two friends of the opposite sex the first question is "which one found the other sexually/romantically incompatible?" That whole friend-zone concept did a great job of crippling the integrity of these platonic unions, even when they're just being playful. What a bummer, people still can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that they might just genuinely need a sibling dynamic with someone they trust
I love the way that, as the series progressed, Peggy became Don's Equal and priest at the same time. Peggy is the only woman Don has ever trusted and, on some level ,respected. They both come to each others rescue on numerous occasions. I love this show and have watched it all three times now!
@@tudormiller8898 I think Peggy was the only woman in Don’s life that actually knew the real him. Even his wife only knew the Don that he wanted her to know. I think Peggy leaving affected him even more than his wife on an emotional level.
Joan never knew about his secret, about his other side. That would be Anna, Peggy and Betty. Faye Miller would have if Don had given her the chance, she could have been a great help actually.
When that happens, it's so obvious the company just doesn't get it. They actually believe it's about money. They have no clue that no matter how much more they offer, there is no way in hell you'd stay.
Happened to me when I quit to care for my father as he was dying of brain cancer. Management knew the reason but still tried to buy me off. It brought home to me just how soulless capitalism is.
Peggy did the right thing. She was unappreciated at the job. Plus with Joan sleeping with the jaguar guy and getting promoted to partner, it felt wrong working there. Peggy wanted to go somewhere where she was gonna strive and get paid more off of her own merrit. She smiled when she got on the elevator because she stood up for herself. Not having to stoop low to get what you want is a victory.
Peggy wasn't aware of what happened with Joan and the Jaguar account, unless I missed something. Regardless, you are so right that it was time for her to move on. Peggy was excellent at her job, but as long as Don was in the same office, there was no way for her to advance in her career there. She had to get out of his shadow.
@@christ2576 Seriously, I'm all about female emancipation, but even if I'd respect her discipline I just can't stand Peggy. She is extremely annoying but everyone is all over this mouth breather
I like to read the comments on Mad Men clips, you guys always make such of deep and interesting analysis about everything. So many tiny details that I didn't see, I will definitely watch the whole serie again.
@@Zodiac581 They truly can be. Sometimes the comments ruin the mood, heighten the quality, are funnier or more in depth. It's amazing. People can be amazing. Or horrible
I think its due to the type of person who would watch this show. It's a really exclusive audience. I have tried to get others to watch this amazing show, but with no Zombies/Dragons/Explosions, they can't stay seated through an episode. It's a shame really. I miss this show, and the community that followed it.
If you are on the right video with the right kind of audience, then you’ll be so enriched with all kinds of different insight. Mad men audience is the best
I was so afraid he wasn’t going to take it. He can be brutal when he’s disappointed. He doesn’t like being hurt, so he tries to displace it by hurting other people. Lashing out so they feel the same pain he felt. So I was astounded by what actually happened.
Unownshipper I would go a bit beyond this to say that Don loved Peggy as a friend and as an anchor. In some ways he needed her as much as she needed him. Referencing the last episode, before he collapses and “can’t move,” it is Peggy he calls, yes, perhaps to say good-bye but also, I think, subconsciously as a lifeline.
“A kiss on the hand, can be so continental” This scene was to have taken place, on the exact day, that Marilyn performed this song in the movie “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes” {check the date on the desk set’s calendar}
I love how it's just complete denial on Don's face at the start, he can't believe she's serious. 'This is a bargaining strategy, it has to be a bargaining strategy.' Such a fantastic scene, they could have ended the series with Peggy taking the elevator.
ben1ben2ben1 That's somewhat debateable. It's pretty arguable that Mad Men is Peggy & Don's story, from the first episode and on. Personally I felt this was a powerful scene and it wouod have worked for me if the series didn't continue. As it is, it did continue, and Weiner et al were able to get the ending they wanted. It was also a very satisfying wrap to the series, but for me this scene was more powerful and charged.
Gangrel Aussie I don't think it is arguable at all. Don and Peggy is one of the main stories, but so is Don and Betty, Don and Sally, Don/dick, Don Megan etc... Peggy's story would not exist without Don. Peggy is only one of the many stories for Don. I also would not have been satisfied because Peggy's decision to leave Don was shown as a mistake. Peggy was always at her best when Don was her mentor. Peggy at the end of the series would not have been what she was if she didn't finally accept Don back as her mentor when he helped her with the Burger Chef pitch. Her leaving was the easy way and not what is best for her. I wouldn't want to end on that
ben1ben2ben1 Disagree, but not to any extent that I care to argue the point at 11:30 pm (my time), so closing point for me with respects. Peggy certainly seemed to achieve a lot of highs by having Don as Mentor / challenge to her abioity, but likewise she was severely emotionally abused and even shortchanged on the value of her contributions. She actually came into much of her own when she stepped out of Don's shadow, and when they really came back together, it was more in a meeting of equals. Amd I don't think she really needed Don anymore. He was simply a fellow ad man of remarkable ingenuity. For every pitch we saw delivered throughout the series run, it was really the Carousel pitch that marked him to me the viewer as a force to be reckoned with. ... My closing argument, incomplete as it is. Nite. :)
Gangrel Aussie When Peggy stepped out on her own she didn't come into her own. She just had a boss that was in love with her (Ted) and told her everything she did was right. The show made it clear Peggy was at her best as Don's protege. And when they came back together don't kid yourself. They were NOT equals. It was a mentor/student relationship. Don was guiding her. Don at his best is unmatched (as we see at the end when he creates the most iconic commercial of all time) by anyone. He has a ton of emotional baggage but the guy is the undisputed top dog. Peggy may get there one day, but she will need Don's help. The scene with them dancing together was not about Peggy and Don as equals, it was Peggy realizing she needed Don's help after rejecting it for so long. And come on emotionally abused? The worst thing Don ever did was throw money in her face (which was bad). Besides that he was tough on her, but that's how bosses are. He saw something in her and wanted her to truly reach her potential. If Don treated her like Ted, Lou and Duck did and just told her everything she did was great (because Ted was in love with her, Duck wanted to sleep with her and Lou just hated Don) she never would have learned anything
When he takes her hand....oh how I love it, he can't man up to say that he wants her to stay for personal reasons, so instead he tells her with no words exactly what he thinks.
I love how this scene illuminates so much about Don's *romantic* relationships - this seems like one of the few times in his life (as Don Draper) where a woman has decisively said no, and he looks genuinely shocked. Then we watch him go through all of the techniques that somebody might use to cling on to a relationship that the other person is trying to end - disbelief, guilt tripping, the whole "I've got people lining up to be with me" thing... It tells us much more about him than just his work life.
Mark ONeill because deep down Don knows he was in the wrong and Peggy never shied from showing him that! Don learnt to love, respect and care for her on a deeper level that it is almost better than the way he care for himself and the beauty in it is that he doesn’t truly know it. His past wounds still mask his eyes and even with the appreciation of her, he still have no idea how much they ate bound together. The way Peggy carried herself, and the way he never thought of her as a romantic partner when she started as his secretary allowed them to explore their connection better than anything he experienced! Peggy and Joan are the two women that came close to know Don and he always was aware of their care and love.
Great acting indeed... both Hamm and Moss have said that they were both really crying and trying to keep it together when they shoot this scene... In a way, Peggy is Don's right hand and family and colleague but she's also the only person who actually "gets" him, Its hard for him to "let her go" he didnt want to, but she knew it was time for her to leave him, as hard as this is for both of them.
De Todas Maneras Ramsanz Could you please tell me where I could watch the interview with Jon, regarding him crying in this scene? I've seen Elizabeth's interview regarding this. Would love to see Jon's.
When she said: "don't be a stranger" i just can't help but cry, even after all the shit Don has said and done to Peggy, yet she stills appreciates him.
Best scene from Madmen. This is what the whole show was about. How the little Peggy transform herself and spread her wing to fly. Transformation completed. She's a madwomen now.
that's the beauty of women, some can spread their wings and fly, some spread their legs! as the latter, joan got a sweeter deal as well with 5% partnership
Damn this was one of the best scenes!! This will resonate with everybody who's had a boss who gave them their growth, and enjoyed working with but the boss stopped caring thinking you'd never leave.
I had a boss Director who allowed me to grow and be very successful within our company. I came to understand that she gave me this freedom to grow because she depended on me being present and on top of things, allowing her to direct her attention more to her responsibilities. She was kind, arranged for a generous raise and promotion for me (her predecessor had been very cheap with money and was underpaying me) but could also flip to her mean side very quickly. Most days were manageable; however, if a deadline was slipping, an obligation (not mine, but a coworker) unmet, or something stressful was happening at home, then my boss would flip into ‘angry person’ mode, blaming me for things that she had let slip. After one brutal morning of being verbally pummeled twice in my cubicle by a Director from another department, and then again in my Director’s office for something I had no control over, I decided I’d had enough humiliation. I set a date in mind so that I could be in a position to leave the company with current contracts in good shape, SOPs written to guide someone through my job responsibilities, etc. When the day arrived to give notice, I knew it wasn’t going well. While I gave a speech similar to Peggy’s, my boss turned a bright red (blood pressure must have sky-rocketed), and she lost control, telling me that she’d have my replacement in less than 6 weeks. I was informed how ungrateful I was; how (suddenly) incompetent I had become; and not to expect a reference from her for any future employers, as it was never coming! In Silicon Valley, everyone knows networking and referrals (especially from senior Directors, VPs, Presidents at large companies) gets you in the door, if not outright hired. Wow! I didn’t see that coming; however, I learned the next day that my truly incompetent coworker was slated for dismissal just a few weeks later, and now the boss was stuck with keeping her and losing me. It was a grueling two weeks. Several coworkers told me I should have just walked out. My Director boss was unable to fill my position in 6 weeks, as she couldn’t get anyone to handle my work load, even after part of my work was moved over to a company CPA before I left. After 9 long months of searching for candidates, she was able to hire both an attorney and a paralegal (both full-time) to handle my work load. BTW - I am not an attorney, a paralegal, or a CPA, but somehow this ‘incompetent’ worker was able to make millions of dollars in revenue. I walked away from that company with my head held high for a job well done.
@@probablynot1368 Thanks for sharing your story. It's funny how you were called ungrateful. Companies don't think twice if they decide to sack you but it is a problem when employees want to leave out of their free will.
This scene has to be one of the most powerful, emotional scenes in the entire Mad Men series. Peggy gets the courage to leave the nurturing environment of Sterling Cooper Draper Price for their hated rivals Cutler Gleason and Chaough. She gives her notice to Don who has treated her pretty poorly for almost all of Season 5. Peggy enters the dragon's lair where Don gives her the full Don Draper treatment, something that virtually no one, not even Betty, Megan or even his kids has seen. He gives her contempt, admiration, impatience, indifference, and finally, the most devastating blow of all, love. Is it false? Is it real? We don't know, but when Peggy weathers through all of that, like a sailboat in a tumultuous storm, she leaves the offices of SCDP, knowing that she has done what no one else had done in the entire series: Peggy became his equal in all things great and small. Thanks for posting this important scene.
...and in season 6 she's back to working with don. I always thought the merger was such a copout to get peggy and don working under the same roof again.
@@elizabeth4689 it did feel a little cheap honestly, happened too soon (maybe they should've pushed that to the end of the season and beginning of 7) But it wasn't completely out of left field considering how close the companies were always vying for the same accounts.
I think it's real. It's a momentary lapse in Don's tough persona; throughout the whole series up to this point Don has used, confused and abused Peggy and undervalued her work, perhaps so she wouldn't realise how great she was at her job and how important she was to him personally - so she couldn't use those things against him. Here we see Peggy finally realise her worth as a copywriter and an artist, and in turn realise Don is never going to treat her with the respect she deserves. She moves on to greener pastures while Don is absolutely crushed to lose a close friend and confidant. That last kiss on the hand is Don showing his true feelings towards Peggy. He values her more than anybody else in that office, perhaps even in his life, but he never let on in fear of her realising her own worth and leaving him. Don Draper is possessive by nature.
the comments on these videos are almost as good as the show itself. people who recognise and appreciate the art. god that's grand. you all are amazing and mad men.. well, you've gotta love them.
I the first episode or so, she put her hand on his, to suggest that she was willing to do "extra work". He shut that down fast. In this case he kisses her hand, but he situation is way different.
Could’ve done without it and the silence of Don would’ve let us see his feelings (which is what they usually do because it’s realistic). The fact they didn’t caught everybody off guard and spoke to the magnitude of the moment. A genius move and so well earned by the show at this point
I love the fact that Don wanted to just hang in his office with Peggy and drink rather than enjoy his engagement. The fact that he was surprised she wanted to be serious when he wanted to just shoot the breeze with her is a nice detail. He feels more at ease and himself with her than with Megan.
I agree Peggy at times could have been more grateful but the part when Don threw money at her face pissed me off. She wasn't wrong when she said that he would be doing the same thing in her shoes.
+Sean Laput She was wrong. Don could have left for any agency in America and gotten more money. He could have gone to McCann and been treated like a king. Don was loyal to Burt and Roger. Don was the only one who actually helped Peggy for work reasons. Ted liked/loved her (and slept with her) plus wanted to weaken his rival Don, Duck wanted to sleep with her, Lou only gave her the raise/promotion to humiliate Don. Don actually helped Peggy because he saw her talent. Ted, Lou and Duck all wanted something else. Peggy just wanted everyone to tell her her work was always great and Don didn't do that. She never would have ended up were she did at the end of the series if not for her finally accepting Don back as her mentor when he worked with her on the Burger Chef presentation
Sean Laput Greatful? She worked for everything she got, and unlike today, she actually had to deal with a lot of sexism. Don actually told her more than once she is "lucky to have what a grown man would be happy to have".
remember when she was making far, FAR less than her male coworkers who did the same thing as she (usually poorer) in fact didn't even work as hard as she, and she asked for a raise and he said ''it just isn't the right time?'' Don was sexist just like every other man on that how.
Grateful? She had a job, she did it well - she moved on when it was clear that Don wasn't taking her seriously in regards to her professional advancement (not to mention the fact she got paid than the male copywriters). Don doesn't get a cookie for playing 'savior' - especially given the fact he's been shown to be a sexist asshole numerous times before.
The director of this episode actually told Jon Hamm not to let go of her hand, and didn't tell Elizabeth Moss it was going to happen like that. When he doesn't let go and we see Peggy start to get emotional, those were real tears and emotions from the actress herself, not just the character.
@@fredvasquez4201 From an interview with Elizabeth Moss at The Ringer: " she has to say goodbye to Don, and there’s that moment where he grabs her hand. That was something that I didn’t know was scripted, and I was also in a place in my life where I was going off to do a new job, and it just all felt kind of very real. And so that’s a very warm memory for me."
Elizabeth Moss has said in an interview that her tears were 100% real in that scene. The actors being moved as well is just another indication of how powerful that show was.
Exactly. Peggy has shown time and time again how talented she is, but as long as she works with Don, it's never going to be enough. She needs to be someplace else if she's really going to fulfill her potential.
“A kiss on the hand, can be quite continental” This scene was to have taken place, on the exact day, that Marilyn performed this song in the movie “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes” {check the date on the desk set’s calendar}
I have many reservations about Jon Hamm as a person, but my god can the man act. Watching him go through all five stages of grief in one short conversation is mesmerizing.
It's funny you say that..... I get more torn with age over who people really are as opposed to the character..... kind of an over thinking mind fck.... take care
The kiss was not scripted and the tears were real. Just listened to an interview and came to youtube to find this scene and rewatch it. Now will be rewatching the whole show!
Rachel, Sylvia, Diana. The list goes on. I would say that this moment was the icing on the cake for Don's imminent downward spiral in season 6. He had just come off of Megan living the firm and Joan sleeping with Herb. Very fragile time.
Yeah well if you cared about a woman would you let the guys at jaguar go anywhere near them. I wouldn't have even asked Joan than. I would have given my notice and told the jaguar that if he ever tried to leverage his business for the pussy of a female subordinate again some mechanic would find his testicles lodged into the engine of a customer's jaguar
Joan landed them by shagging one of their execs, which Don was against. The Jaguar guys are a bunch of animals, which is why Don didn’t want to put Peggy on the account.
@@acefire6422 Don was against it cuz his ego couldn't stand not being the one who lands jaguar. I mean, he loves things to be about him and being a savior. If he cared so much for Joan, he wouldn't have fired them.
Don. Was. Pissed! The look on his face said it all when he thought that she was playing games. I love how Peggy has evolved over the years. I've grown to like her very much and missed seeing her regularly.
This is the only time in the show, that I can remember, where Don is effectively getting dumped. And its not because he did a bad job! Its because she's ready to make it totally on her own!!!
He was kidding himself and she didn’t buy it...nor did she probably take it personally.
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He was trying to sink his grief and sadness on pettiness. It is a very common strategy for tough guys like Don. On the outside, they put on an iron mask of arrogance and stoicism, but inside they are screaming.
The ep that Don lost all the women that were important to him. Great show. Going to miss it. I wanted he and Peggy to go in a slightly different direction.
Actually I don't think so? That was the main reason she left in the first place, it wasn't about the money at all. That's why she said "There's no number." Money is money, and yes Peggy seems like she's always looking for a raise, but that wouldn't have made her leave. It was about the way she was being treated. Don simply did not give her the respect that her position and level of talent deserved. Repeatedly. He treated her as even less than a secretary when he threw the money in her face.
i interpreted it more as “there’s no number for you to make me stay” not as “money isn’t the reason i’m leaning” because it was buy definitely not the SOLE reason
Yeah, you saw that through the whole show, when one of his colleagues referred to Peggy as a dog playing the piano, he didn't even look embarrassed by the comment. It was almost as though the guy was just confirming everything Don thought about Peggy.
I cried while watching this before and I just cried again. This is the best friendship ever even with its hitches there’s an underlying respect and love for each other. Gets me every time
This was such a well crafted scene, Don's internalised rage / grief manifest right to the veins on his neck. Peggy's voice breaking as she told Don not to be a stranger (with actual tears) was just perfection. These two actors are superb, with an onscreen chemistry that is palpable, authentic and truly satisfying 😭
Something that many bosses never seem to comprehend - for some people, a job is about fulfillment as well as a paycheck. I cannot understand how that is a mystery to them.
that moment Peggy offered her hand to shake it and he turned it over to Kiss... I don't know why but watching it again it just struck me like it was Don asking for benediction and grace from the one person who knew and loved him like no one else. it's such a simple gesture but very touching
One of the absolute greatest moments between Don and Peggy. Really showcases the acting skills of Moss and Hamm. The most powerful relationship on the show.
Great scene to a fantastic show. Shows how much Don relied on Peggy. Seeing his level of desperation here is something we have never really seen from him. The kiss to the hand. Her walking off as he stays seated.
Don's face after Peggy says the last lastname "Chaough" is priceless... That hurts more than the throwing money on her face Don did... Well done girl!!!
They truly had one of the most amazing and complex relationships you are likely to see in a TV show. Just so much authentic love between the two of them. And so much depth where many of the other relationships in the show are so much more shallow. It has so many different dynamics in different situations. Mentor/Protégé, Father/Daughter, Brother/Sister, Best Friends. When Don is at his lowest, and it's Peggy who helps him get his old self back, and then he ends up prepping her for the biggest pitch of her life, passing the torch to her. Them dancing the night before the Burger Chef pitch was just a beautiful moment, showing how much they will always come full circle and be there for each other.
I love that Don never hooked up with Peggy, its what made this scene so touching. The fact that he was coming from a place of authentic vulnerability, the closest he ever came to seeing a woman as his equal.
Because she’s ugly!
YES
It's the best relationship they both ever had 😔
Sex screws everything up.
@@catsupchutneyLol so true. Makes everything perfect, but can also crush a good thing into pieces. Such is life 🤷♂️
That kiss was the most intimate thing don has done
Seriously, it’s like the most human act he has in the entire show.
You could see the 7 stages of bereavement in it
@Chloe Pinehurst you’re surprised? Really? Stfu please
@Chloe Pinehurst Have you even watched the show? They have a close personal relationship, and there's nothing romantic implied when Don kisses her hand. Don knows that Peggy is the irreplaceable backbone of the creative team at Sterling Cooper and losing her means losing both a vital colleague and confidant. Don's actions here are important because all throughout the show he treats Peggy terribly, dismissively and undervalues her work. This is the moment where Peggy finally realises her value as an adwoman is well above what Don has led her to believe. This final action of a kiss on the hand (as if Peggy is like royalty) reveals Don's true feelings towards Peggy. She is invaluable to Don, professionally and personally, but he has hidden this for so long so she couldn't use it against him. Now the jig is up.
@Chloe Pinehurst heavily downplaying don and peggy's relationship lol. don't know if u have watched the show or not but that kiss on the hand tells a lot and u can see it through her eyes, all the emotions going through both of them. the most intimate thing he has done for her up until that point was visit her at the hospital and taking her out for a dinner and some drinks one night, that kiss wasn't meant in a sexual manner or like he was trying to seduce her to stay or something of the sort lol, don has always not been clear in the way he expresses how he feels. thats basically his way of acknowledging she's quitting and in a few ways, his way of apologising for letting her down, or a goodbye (even if deep down they both knew this wouldn't be the end)
he went through every stage of grief
Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance.........yeah I can see all if those stages
+Aaron Walker Yup
Strangely, I feel Don is slightly happy that there was no price for Peggy; unlike what happened with Joan.
stopitwithusernames I totally agree with you. I think his respect for Peggy grew 1,000%, even though he's so sad she's leaving, he'd happy for her going after what she wants. Very touching scene.
A sign of great acting
I love the staging of the actors: he's her boss but he is sitting below her, and she stands above him. The power shifts.
Didn’t even think about that
That’s an interesting read I guess. Another is he didn’t even bother to stand up when she was leaving.
Normally in formal proceedings it’s polite to stand up when someone leaves and in some cases when they enter a room. Giving notice and offering a handshake would have warranted Don politely standing and ending the encounter professionally.
But he just kinda… leaned forward in his chair and slobbered on her hand. Probably because Don had likely ingested like a liter of booze by that point in the day.
@@MultiDean1980 I didn't see the kiss as boorish. It was a shift in power dynamic. By the end of the scene he kisses her hand like a vassal kissing the ring. And she ends it.
the part when she is filmed from below while he kisses her hand and she gets "strange" feeling while it drags on. Yup it is staging at its' best.
Good catch, very perceptive.
the most empowering days of your life are the days of departure.
YEEEEEEEEES !!!! I just left my first job and it felt like I am GOD !
Indeed when i left my first job i felt liberated
The "I don't need you" days :)
It's what is made from it that matters. You can't say the same for Lane or Bert lol
Don knew that too; that's why he fought so hard against signing his contact.
" Don't be a stranger." Hit him like a ton of bricks. Both these characters know so much about each other it's incredible.
I think it was a positive thing. She was saying that he is a friend
Just one problem.
Don IS The Stranger.
@@ISCDESIGNAustralia because it was positive, is why it hit Don so hard. He's so used to closing its hard to be the one to accept the close i guess? But yes, it happened this way so they can continue being true to one another I think.
So much respect between them. Compared to all the other characters in the show. Apart from Joan and that Sterling guy.
@@jasonlefler3456
There is an idea of a Donald Draper, some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.
Quitting a job you don't like is so liberating.
Alb S yep I've done it several times climbing up that corporate latter
Yes, I have experienced this once when I was younger and I will always remember it for the rest of my life.
Peggy loved this job!
For the first ten minutes, yes. Then on the drive home, you suddenly become George Costanza.
dont you ever reference that seinfeld garbage on a mad men page.
I love how Don starts with "have a drink with me." He clearly isn't in the mood to celebrate with his colleagues and just wants to have a quiet moment with a friend. Little did he know what was about to unfold...
And the wonderful detail of Peggy finding out about Joan's partnership and deciding she needed the drink after all.
I think that he doesn't feel like celebrating because he doesn't see it as his win, but as someone else's (i. e. Joan's). He tries bravado, owning that moment, but when he realizes he's lost her, he finally succumbs and has a rare honest moment. I think it's also telling that Peggy firmly pulls her hand away. This is her moment. She owns it.
I absolutely loved the relationship between Peggy and Don. It wasn't romantic, but it felt like it was even more than that, a more permanent kind of love between them. They truly care for one another, on a very personal level as well. Don is clearly Peggy's mentor, but as the series went on, sometimes, Peggy guides Don as well. A wonderful work of television.
Andrea Lee I always love a good example of a male and female platonic relationship. People see so many people get together just because they’re convenient that a lot of people believe you “can’t” be “just” friends, and it bugs me. It’s immature and it bugs me. There are some friendships like this that are somewhat like a healthy relationship with a sibling. You give them a hard time sometimes maybe and have buttons they push reaaallly well, but they know more about you than almost anyone, they campaign on your behalf, and they will destroy anyone who hurts you. It can happen. And it was awesome to see Don and Peggy wind up with that kind of vibe.
She was his work wife.
@@SunflowerSpotlight Yeah it's heart-breaking to realize when people see two friends of the opposite sex the first question is "which one found the other sexually/romantically incompatible?" That whole friend-zone concept did a great job of crippling the integrity of these platonic unions, even when they're just being playful. What a bummer, people still can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that they might just genuinely need a sibling dynamic with someone they trust
I love the way that, as the series progressed, Peggy became Don's Equal and priest at the same time. Peggy is the only woman Don has ever trusted and, on some level ,respected. They both come to each others rescue on numerous occasions. I love this show and have watched it all three times now!
Well, Don was clearly out of Peggy's league.
Peggy's last words to Don: "Don't be a stranger."
Don was a stranger to everyone, including himself.
She twists the knife when she tells him, "This is what you would do." He knows she's right!
TravelinBand747 I disagree. I think she was defending her decision rather than being malicious. Agree fully with your second sentence.
He already didn’t do the same as her.
I think she was trying to soften the blow, actually.
Of course. As a woman it should be no different from being an ambitious man.
This scene is everything. Don and Peggy's friendship grew over the years. The way he looked when she told Don she's leaving, that broke him.
Mmmm!!! But wasn't that the same reaction when his wife left him ?
Amina!!! How is your PSC? Sending you lots of love and light.
@@SayYesToAwesome hey there I've learned to adjust over the years but with the pandemic happening I have to be extra careful. How are you?
@@tudormiller8898 I think Peggy was the only woman in Don’s life that actually knew the real him. Even his wife only knew the Don that he wanted her to know. I think Peggy leaving affected him even more than his wife on an emotional level.
No effing way. You guys are delusional.
Peggy and Joan were the only two women in Don's life who could see through him like a window.
+Jason Mullins You must've fast forwarded through the scenes with Anna Draper.
I think Joan knew him. But I think it took Peggy a few years to get to know him.
Anna Draper.... She was the only one who ever really knew him. She was the only one to call him Dick
Betty did post-divorce. So heartbreakingly, she learned through loss.
Joan never knew about his secret, about his other side. That would be Anna, Peggy and Betty. Faye Miller would have if Don had given her the chance, she could have been a great help actually.
It’s so relatable that she’s finally offered the raise she’s been asking for as a response to giving notice
When that happens, it's so obvious the company just doesn't get it. They actually believe it's about money. They have no clue that no matter how much more they offer, there is no way in hell you'd stay.
@@janezamudio4940you're goddamn right it's about money. That's the only reason most people work in the first place.
Happened to me when I quit to care for my father as he was dying of brain cancer. Management knew the reason but still tried to buy me off. It brought home to me just how soulless capitalism is.
That look of shock and blind panic on Hamm's face when Don realizes he's lost Peggy is brilliant.
If you’re looking for your trouble making friends, they’re in alien jail🆗 ?
Peggy did the right thing. She was unappreciated at the job. Plus with Joan sleeping with the jaguar guy and getting promoted to partner, it felt wrong working there. Peggy wanted to go somewhere where she was gonna strive and get paid more off of her own merrit. She smiled when she got on the elevator because she stood up for herself. Not having to stoop low to get what you want is a victory.
ltngirlll, true.
Peggy didn't know about the Joan thing anyway. I'm still so very conflicted about what Joan did.
Peggy wasn't aware of what happened with Joan and the Jaguar account, unless I missed something. Regardless, you are so right that it was time for her to move on. Peggy was excellent at her job, but as long as Don was in the same office, there was no way for her to advance in her career there. She had to get out of his shadow.
Chris T 🤣
@@christ2576 Seriously, I'm all about female emancipation, but even if I'd respect her discipline I just can't stand Peggy. She is extremely annoying but everyone is all over this mouth breather
I like to read the comments on Mad Men clips, you guys always make such of deep and interesting analysis about everything. So many tiny details that I didn't see, I will definitely watch the whole serie again.
Oh, yea. UA-cam comment sections are a wealth of intelligence
@@Zodiac581
They truly can be. Sometimes the comments ruin the mood, heighten the quality, are funnier or more in depth. It's amazing. People can be amazing. Or horrible
I think its due to the type of person who would watch this show. It's a really exclusive audience. I have tried to get others to watch this amazing show, but with no Zombies/Dragons/Explosions, they can't stay seated through an episode. It's a shame really. I miss this show, and the community that followed it.
Zodiac581 there are a lot of intelligent people who watch that show and don’t generalize. Even some on UA-cam...
If you are on the right video with the right kind of audience, then you’ll be so enriched with all kinds of different insight. Mad men audience is the best
of all the story lines peggy's was without question my favorite she walks in the building a nobody and walks out a player.
She reached out to shake his hand... and he kissed hers instead. A act of etiquette becomes a show respect and devotion.
I was so afraid he wasn’t going to take it. He can be brutal when he’s disappointed. He doesn’t like being hurt, so he tries to displace it by hurting other people. Lashing out so they feel the same pain he felt. So I was astounded by what actually happened.
Unownshipper I would go a bit beyond this to say that Don loved Peggy as a friend and as an anchor. In some ways he needed her as much as she needed him. Referencing the last episode, before he collapses and “can’t move,” it is Peggy he calls, yes, perhaps to say good-bye but also, I think, subconsciously as a lifeline.
It was ad libbed by Jon Hamm. He held on for much longer. She was so overwhelmed her tears were real.
“A kiss on the hand, can be so continental”
This scene was to have taken place, on the exact day, that Marilyn performed this song in the movie “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes”
{check the date on the desk set’s calendar}
I actually took the act as a last-ditch desperation ploy to persuade her to stay.
I love how it's just complete denial on Don's face at the start, he can't believe she's serious. 'This is a bargaining strategy, it has to be a bargaining strategy.' Such a fantastic scene, they could have ended the series with Peggy taking the elevator.
+Gangrel Aussie Mad Men is ultimately Don's story and ending the series here would have left to many unanswered questions and unresolved stories.
ben1ben2ben1 That's somewhat debateable. It's pretty arguable that Mad Men is Peggy & Don's story, from the first episode and on. Personally I felt this was a powerful scene and it wouod have worked for me if the series didn't continue. As it is, it did continue, and Weiner et al were able to get the ending they wanted. It was also a very satisfying wrap to the series, but for me this scene was more powerful and charged.
Gangrel Aussie
I don't think it is arguable at all. Don and Peggy is one of the main stories, but so is Don and Betty, Don and Sally, Don/dick, Don Megan etc... Peggy's story would not exist without Don. Peggy is only one of the many stories for Don.
I also would not have been satisfied because Peggy's decision to leave Don was shown as a mistake. Peggy was always at her best when Don was her mentor. Peggy at the end of the series would not have been what she was if she didn't finally accept Don back as her mentor when he helped her with the Burger Chef pitch. Her leaving was the easy way and not what is best for her. I wouldn't want to end on that
ben1ben2ben1 Disagree, but not to any extent that I care to argue the point at 11:30 pm (my time), so closing point for me with respects. Peggy certainly seemed to achieve a lot of highs by having Don as Mentor / challenge to her abioity, but likewise she was severely emotionally abused and even shortchanged on the value of her contributions. She actually came into much of her own when she stepped out of Don's shadow, and when they really came back together, it was more in a meeting of equals. Amd I don't think she really needed Don anymore. He was simply a fellow ad man of remarkable ingenuity. For every pitch we saw delivered throughout the series run, it was really the Carousel pitch that marked him to me the viewer as a force to be reckoned with. ... My closing argument, incomplete as it is. Nite. :)
Gangrel Aussie
When Peggy stepped out on her own she didn't come into her own. She just had a boss that was in love with her (Ted) and told her everything she did was right. The show made it clear Peggy was at her best as Don's protege.
And when they came back together don't kid yourself. They were NOT equals. It was a mentor/student relationship. Don was guiding her. Don at his best is unmatched (as we see at the end when he creates the most iconic commercial of all time) by anyone. He has a ton of emotional baggage but the guy is the undisputed top dog. Peggy may get there one day, but she will need Don's help. The scene with them dancing together was not about Peggy and Don as equals, it was Peggy realizing she needed Don's help after rejecting it for so long.
And come on emotionally abused? The worst thing Don ever did was throw money in her face (which was bad). Besides that he was tough on her, but that's how bosses are. He saw something in her and wanted her to truly reach her potential. If Don treated her like Ted, Lou and Duck did and just told her everything she did was great (because Ted was in love with her, Duck wanted to sleep with her and Lou just hated Don) she never would have learned anything
When he takes her hand....oh how I love it, he can't man up to say that he wants her to stay for personal reasons, so instead he tells her with no words exactly what he thinks.
I love how this scene illuminates so much about Don's *romantic* relationships - this seems like one of the few times in his life (as Don Draper) where a woman has decisively said no, and he looks genuinely shocked. Then we watch him go through all of the techniques that somebody might use to cling on to a relationship that the other person is trying to end - disbelief, guilt tripping, the whole "I've got people lining up to be with me" thing... It tells us much more about him than just his work life.
but he seems to be intrigued that she rejected him
Mark ONeill because deep down Don knows he was in the wrong and Peggy never shied from showing him that! Don learnt to love, respect and care for her on a deeper level that it is almost better than the way he care for himself and the beauty in it is that he doesn’t truly know it. His past wounds still mask his eyes and even with the appreciation of her, he still have no idea how much they ate bound together. The way Peggy carried herself, and the way he never thought of her as a romantic partner when she started as his secretary allowed them to explore their connection better than anything he experienced! Peggy and Joan are the two women that came close to know Don and he always was aware of their care and love.
He did the same with Sylvia
He knew he was losing more than just a valuable employee, even as he said it.
Great acting indeed... both Hamm and Moss have said that they were both really crying and trying to keep it together when they shoot this scene... In a way, Peggy is Don's right hand and family and colleague but she's also the only person who actually "gets" him, Its hard for him to "let her go" he didnt want to, but she knew it was time for her to leave him, as hard as this is for both of them.
De Todas Maneras Ramsanz Could you please tell me where I could watch the interview with Jon, regarding him crying in this scene? I've seen Elizabeth's interview regarding this. Would love to see Jon's.
How Elizabeth Moss hasn't won an Emmy is beyond me.
adamcshelby she's awful
You misspelled 'talented'.
A talented person would've won an Emmy.
Hence the point of my original post. Do keep up.
adamcshelby so you agree she isn't talented given she has no Emmy
When she said: "don't be a stranger" i just can't help but cry, even after all the shit Don has said and done to Peggy, yet she stills appreciates him.
Umm, Don also did a lot for her. As she stated at the very beginning, he was her mentor and champion.
this shit was soooooo hard to watch. great acting.
Best scene from Madmen. This is what the whole show was about. How the little Peggy transform herself and spread her wing to fly. Transformation completed. She's a madwomen now.
that's the beauty of women, some can spread their wings and fly, some spread their legs! as the latter, joan got a sweeter deal as well with 5% partnership
Grammer crimes abound...
cyberpimp29 *grammar
@@FreestyleFonda lol
So maybe they could do a new show called Mad Women. Set at the beginning of the 80s, and Elisabeth Moss could revive her character Peggy Olson.
Damn this was one of the best scenes!! This will resonate with everybody who's had a boss who gave them their growth, and enjoyed working with but the boss stopped caring thinking you'd never leave.
I had a boss Director who allowed me to grow and be very successful within our company. I came to understand that she gave me this freedom to grow because she depended on me being present and on top of things, allowing her to direct her attention more to her responsibilities. She was kind, arranged for a generous raise and promotion for me (her predecessor had been very cheap with money and was underpaying me) but could also flip to her mean side very quickly. Most days were manageable; however, if a deadline was slipping, an obligation (not mine, but a coworker) unmet, or something stressful was happening at home, then my boss would flip into ‘angry person’ mode, blaming me for things that she had let slip. After one brutal morning of being verbally pummeled twice in my cubicle by a Director from another department, and then again in my Director’s office for something I had no control over, I decided I’d had enough humiliation. I set a date in mind so that I could be in a position to leave the company with current contracts in good shape, SOPs written to guide someone through my job responsibilities, etc. When the day arrived to give notice, I knew it wasn’t going well. While I gave a speech similar to Peggy’s, my boss turned a bright red (blood pressure must have sky-rocketed), and she lost control, telling me that she’d have my replacement in less than 6 weeks. I was informed how ungrateful I was; how (suddenly) incompetent I had become; and not to expect a reference from her for any future employers, as it was never coming! In Silicon Valley, everyone knows networking and referrals (especially from senior Directors, VPs, Presidents at large companies) gets you in the door, if not outright hired. Wow! I didn’t see that coming; however, I learned the next day that my truly incompetent coworker was slated for dismissal just a few weeks later, and now the boss was stuck with keeping her and losing me. It was a grueling two weeks. Several coworkers told me I should have just walked out. My Director boss was unable to fill my position in 6 weeks, as she couldn’t get anyone to handle my work load, even after part of my work was moved over to a company CPA before I left. After 9 long months of searching for candidates, she was able to hire both an attorney and a paralegal (both full-time) to handle my work load. BTW - I am not an attorney, a paralegal, or a CPA, but somehow this ‘incompetent’ worker was able to make millions of dollars in revenue. I walked away from that company with my head held high for a job well done.
@@probablynot1368 Thanks for sharing your story. It's funny how you were called ungrateful. Companies don't think twice if they decide to sack you but it is a problem when employees want to leave out of their free will.
denial - 2:08
anger - 2:36
bargaining - 3:07
depression / acceptance - 3:44
Yes dabda that how I passed Psych 101
He looked like he was going to shatter in a million pieces.
This scene has to be one of the most powerful, emotional scenes in the entire Mad Men series. Peggy gets the courage to leave the nurturing environment of Sterling Cooper Draper Price for their hated rivals Cutler Gleason and Chaough. She gives her notice to Don who has treated her pretty poorly for almost all of Season 5. Peggy enters the dragon's lair where Don gives her the full Don Draper treatment, something that virtually no one, not even Betty, Megan or even his kids has seen. He gives her contempt, admiration, impatience, indifference, and finally, the most devastating blow of all, love. Is it false? Is it real? We don't know, but when Peggy weathers through all of that, like a sailboat in a tumultuous storm, she leaves the offices of SCDP, knowing that she has done what no one else had done in the entire series: Peggy became his equal in all things great and small. Thanks for posting this important scene.
bravo
...and in season 6 she's back to working with don. I always thought the merger was such a copout to get peggy and don working under the same roof again.
@@elizabeth4689 it did feel a little cheap honestly, happened too soon (maybe they should've pushed that to the end of the season and beginning of 7)
But it wasn't completely out of left field considering how close the companies were always vying for the same accounts.
I think it's real. It's a momentary lapse in Don's tough persona; throughout the whole series up to this point Don has used, confused and abused Peggy and undervalued her work, perhaps so she wouldn't realise how great she was at her job and how important she was to him personally - so she couldn't use those things against him. Here we see Peggy finally realise her worth as a copywriter and an artist, and in turn realise Don is never going to treat her with the respect she deserves. She moves on to greener pastures while Don is absolutely crushed to lose a close friend and confidant. That last kiss on the hand is Don showing his true feelings towards Peggy. He values her more than anybody else in that office, perhaps even in his life, but he never let on in fear of her realising her own worth and leaving him. Don Draper is possessive by nature.
Excellent. This summarizes it perfectly.
Love the use of The Kinks to end a very emotional scene on a lighter note.
Kind of like a "You GO, girl!" moment.
Perfect choice.
She really got him.
Man i cried when this happened.
AkshayMakshay12 ?
Dont be a stanger
It hit me too
Don’t mind bro just cutting onions
It was emotional. With everything those two had been through, to have the student graduate and move on is so poignant. Don clearly wasn't ready.
Don kissing Peggy's hand was the most significant kiss in the entire show's run, I always tear up at it 😭💖
the comments on these videos are almost as good as the show itself. people who recognise and appreciate the art. god that's grand. you all are amazing and mad men.. well, you've gotta love them.
Imagine the scene if Don hasn't kissed her hand. Totally different.
I the first episode or so, she put her hand on his, to suggest that she was willing to do "extra work". He shut that down fast. In this case he kisses her hand, but he situation is way different.
@@chrisguevara Id say the biggest callback to that was in the suitcase at the end when he puts his hand on hers as comfort.
Could’ve done without it and the silence of Don would’ve let us see his feelings (which is what they usually do because it’s realistic). The fact they didn’t caught everybody off guard and spoke to the magnitude of the moment. A genius move and so well earned by the show at this point
Maybe a sign of mutual respect towards her.
I love the fact that Don wanted to just hang in his office with Peggy and drink rather than enjoy his engagement. The fact that he was surprised she wanted to be serious when he wanted to just shoot the breeze with her is a nice detail. He feels more at ease and himself with her than with Megan.
Don and Peggy's chemistry was AMAZING (only 2nd to Don and Roger). I LOVED all their scenes. I wish they made more.
I agree with you... but Matthew Weiner did gave us the best episode of the series to us fans "The Suitcase" which is entirely about Peggy and Don
Sung Yul Taylor 8
Best episode of television ever, RamsanzC99 Ramsanz
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My favourite episode :)
One of the best acted, written, and directed scenes I've ever seen in a television series.
I agree Peggy at times could have been more grateful but the part when Don threw money at her face pissed me off. She wasn't wrong when she said that he would be doing the same thing in her shoes.
+Sean Laput She was wrong. Don could have left for any agency in America and gotten more money. He could have gone to McCann and been treated like a king. Don was loyal to Burt and Roger. Don was the only one who actually helped Peggy for work reasons. Ted liked/loved her (and slept with her) plus wanted to weaken his rival Don, Duck wanted to sleep with her, Lou only gave her the raise/promotion to humiliate Don. Don actually helped Peggy because he saw her talent. Ted, Lou and Duck all wanted something else. Peggy just wanted everyone to tell her her work was always great and Don didn't do that. She never would have ended up were she did at the end of the series if not for her finally accepting Don back as her mentor when he worked with her on the Burger Chef presentation
Sean Laput Greatful? She worked for everything she got, and unlike today, she actually had to deal with a lot of sexism. Don actually told her more than once she is "lucky to have what a grown man would be happy to have".
remember when she was making far, FAR less than her male coworkers who did the same thing as she (usually poorer) in fact didn't even work as hard as she, and she asked for a raise and he said ''it just isn't the right time?'' Don was sexist just like every other man on that how.
Grateful? She had a job, she did it well - she moved on when it was clear that Don wasn't taking her seriously in regards to her professional advancement (not to mention the fact she got paid than the male copywriters). Don doesn't get a cookie for playing 'savior' - especially given the fact he's been shown to be a sexist asshole numerous times before.
+monokhem LMAO fucking jesus...
Peggy's swig of whiskey when she hears Joan got partner ahead her.
I loved the way this show used alcohol to accentuate its subtext.
Don's "Hm hm" after hearing it's CGC.
"...perfect."
I can almost feel her heart beat while talking...such a great actor.
I love that little glance at the end from Joan. Perfect song too.
hey can please tell me the name of the song in the end?
The Kinks - You really got me
Fuck. I miss this show.
Big time
The director of this episode actually told Jon Hamm not to let go of her hand, and didn't tell Elizabeth Moss it was going to happen like that. When he doesn't let go and we see Peggy start to get emotional, those were real tears and emotions from the actress herself, not just the character.
That very cool. Where you hear that information from?
@@studinthemaking from up his butt
@@fredvasquez4201 From an interview with Elizabeth Moss at The Ringer: " she has to say goodbye to Don, and there’s that moment where he grabs her hand. That was something that I didn’t know was scripted, and I was also in a place in my life where I was going off to do a new job, and it just all felt kind of very real. And so that’s a very warm memory for me."
And then the whole set clappped
Source: trust me bro
Elizabeth Moss has said in an interview that her tears were 100% real in that scene. The actors being moved as well is just another indication of how powerful that show was.
Exactly. Peggy has shown time and time again how talented she is, but as long as she works with Don, it's never going to be enough. She needs to be someplace else if she's really going to fulfill her potential.
This is my favorite scene! And it always makes me cry! It's so brilliantly acted. Damn... this show was so AMAZING!!!!!
2:47...like a punch in the gut for Don when he hears where Peggy is headed...
I have never seen one episode of this show but, for some reason I have watched this clip at least a dozen times over the last few months.
It's a good series. Well worth watching to the end [unlike many].
Balled my eyes out when I saw this scene ..... God dam I love this show
“A kiss on the hand, can be quite continental”
This scene was to have taken place, on the exact day, that Marilyn performed this song in the movie “Gentlemen Prefer Blondes”
{check the date on the desk set’s calendar}
Do you mean date? She had already died by now no?
Two of the greatest ever actors at the absolute peak of their powers.
I have many reservations about Jon Hamm as a person, but my god can the man act. Watching him go through all five stages of grief in one short conversation is mesmerizing.
It's funny you say that..... I get more torn with age over who people really are as opposed to the character..... kind of an over thinking mind fck.... take care
Best show on TV.....ever
The kiss was not scripted and the tears were real. Just listened to an interview and came to youtube to find this scene and rewatch it. Now will be rewatching the whole show!
I love how she lets go of his hand at 4:04, before he let's go of her hand. It shows how their relationship has now come full circle.
The only time a woman really ever hurt Don
Marcus Burton, sylvia rosen hurt him pretty bad.
His mother hurt him pretty bad
so did Rachel Menken
Don needs to realize Pete Campbell knocked her up and rejected her and he works there its not about money
Rachel, Sylvia, Diana. The list goes on.
I would say that this moment was the icing on the cake for Don's imminent downward spiral in season 6. He had just come off of Megan living the firm and Joan sleeping with Herb. Very fragile time.
I loved the last few minutes where she smiled while walking into the elevator and that song came on. I was like, " Go Peggy!"
Don saying “ I can’t put a girl on Jaguar “ but Joan is the person who landed them. Peggy’s speech is fantastic .
Yeah well if you cared about a woman would you let the guys at jaguar go anywhere near them.
I wouldn't have even asked Joan than. I would have given my notice and told the jaguar that if he ever tried to leverage his business for the pussy of a female subordinate again some mechanic would find his testicles lodged into the engine of a customer's jaguar
Joan landed them by shagging one of their execs, which Don was against. The Jaguar guys are a bunch of animals, which is why Don didn’t want to put Peggy on the account.
When she swilled half the glass after that comment you knew it was going to be good!
@@acefire6422 Don was against it cuz his ego couldn't stand not being the one who lands jaguar. I mean, he loves things to be about him and being a savior. If he cared so much for Joan, he wouldn't have fired them.
"Is this about Joan being made partner?" ... " WHAT?""
Don. Was. Pissed! The look on his face said it all when he thought that she was playing games. I love how Peggy has evolved over the years. I've grown to like her very much and missed seeing her regularly.
*Lowers voice 3 octaves* Don't be a stranger
This is the only time in the show, that I can remember, where Don is effectively getting dumped. And its not because he did a bad job! Its because she's ready to make it totally on her own!!!
His “I have a room full of freelancers,” was... ouch. What a way to say, “You’re utterly replaceable. Not a problem.” Harsh.
he was being tsundere lol
He was kidding himself and she didn’t buy it...nor did she probably take it personally.
He was trying to sink his grief and sadness on pettiness. It is a very common strategy for tough guys like Don. On the outside, they put on an iron mask of arrogance and stoicism, but inside they are screaming.
Her response, "I understand." Basically, "good luck with those asshats"
Then he kissed her hand
Peggy you badass.
The ep that Don lost all the women that were important to him. Great show. Going to miss it. I wanted he and Peggy to go in a slightly different direction.
Actually I don't think so? That was the main reason she left in the first place, it wasn't about the money at all. That's why she said "There's no number." Money is money, and yes Peggy seems like she's always looking for a raise, but that wouldn't have made her leave. It was about the way she was being treated. Don simply did not give her the respect that her position and level of talent deserved. Repeatedly. He treated her as even less than a secretary when he threw the money in her face.
ani ta What? Stfu.
He was definitely harsh to her in the beginning, but I don't think it was like that by this point. Her leaving obviously hurt him.
i interpreted it more as “there’s no number for you to make me stay” not as “money isn’t the reason i’m leaning” because it was buy definitely not the SOLE reason
Yeah, you saw that through the whole show, when one of his colleagues referred to Peggy as a dog playing the piano, he didn't even look embarrassed by the comment. It was almost as though the guy was just confirming everything Don thought about Peggy.
This has to be one the greatest scenes ever made, in any movie or series. The first time I saw it I was literally screaming.
Don goes through every stage of grief in about 3 mins here.
This is such a powerful scene. Don is realising what he is losing. Peggy realises it too but has found the strength to rise above it.
Just read right now that she wasn't faking the tears when don kisses her hand, apparently, it wasn't in the script at all, he totally improvised it
Peggy has come a loooong way since her first day touching his hand. In the end, he ended kissing hers.
I cried while watching this before and I just cried again. This is the best friendship ever even with its hitches there’s an underlying respect and love for each other. Gets me every time
The feeling of being light as feather when you decide to leave the toxic BS behind.
2:48-2:51 That little chuckle and deep breathe by Don. The reality sinks in, the disbelief. Incredibly acted
I could rewatch this entire series for a 3rd time but can’t allow myself to commit to all those hours. Such a great show
This was such a well crafted scene, Don's internalised rage / grief manifest right to the veins on his neck.
Peggy's voice breaking as she told Don not to be a stranger (with actual tears) was just perfection. These two actors are superb, with an onscreen chemistry that is palpable, authentic and truly satisfying 😭
The acting in this scene is incredible. You can see the blood vessels on Don’s neck and forehead!
That was right after Don threw the money in Peggy's face ...
Something that many bosses never seem to comprehend - for some people, a job is about fulfillment as well as a paycheck. I cannot understand how that is a mystery to them.
This is without a doubt the best written/acted scene i've ever seen on tv. Absolutely fantastic writing and Hamm's performance leaves me in awe.
It’s been 4 years and I’m still waiting for a show to hook me like Mad Men did.
Same here
Try Americans. Totally different show but also superb
When you have incredible writers and talented actors, you witness magic.
To me this is one of the best, most well acted, emotional scenes in Mad Men
I can't say enough good things about Mad Men i just love the show!
Watching Mad Men right at this very moment!
Extremely well acted. Draper could not fathom what was happening
that moment Peggy offered her hand to shake it and he turned it over to Kiss...
I don't know why but watching it again it just struck me like it was Don asking for benediction and grace from the one person who knew and loved him like no one else. it's such a simple gesture but very touching
One of the absolute greatest moments between Don and Peggy. Really showcases the acting skills of Moss and Hamm. The most powerful relationship on the show.
Don passed the 5 steps of grief
Don goes through so many stages here, lol.
Amazing acting, writing and direction. Just brilliant.
Great scene to a fantastic show. Shows how much Don relied on Peggy. Seeing his level of desperation here is something we have never really seen from him. The kiss to the hand. Her walking off as he stays seated.
Don's face after Peggy says the last lastname "Chaough" is priceless... That hurts more than the throwing money on her face Don did... Well done girl!!!
3:49 , The move you can see from a man, who just realized that he made a mistake.
Elizabeth was not told that Don would kiss her hand.
Her tears were borne of a spontaneous, unexpected moment.
The acting and writing is so spot on. Love this show.
This show changed my life, REALLY !!!
They truly had one of the most amazing and complex relationships you are likely to see in a TV show. Just so much authentic love between the two of them. And so much depth where many of the other relationships in the show are so much more shallow. It has so many different dynamics in different situations. Mentor/Protégé, Father/Daughter, Brother/Sister, Best Friends. When Don is at his lowest, and it's Peggy who helps him get his old self back, and then he ends up prepping her for the biggest pitch of her life, passing the torch to her. Them dancing the night before the Burger Chef pitch was just a beautiful moment, showing how much they will always come full circle and be there for each other.
One of the finest moments in television of all time... perfect in every way!