I owned a road king for 3 years an loved it. 3 months ago I test ride a Springfield.... I now own a Springfield. The ride an feel on the Springfield kicks the road king out the water. The Springfield is in the league of its own! Sorry you hard core HD fans but its true.
I've ridden Harley Davidsons for years and loved them, but now I own a '22 Springfield. 2K miles in, and I can tell you I won't be going back. The balance of Indians is vastly superior imo. It's extremely nimble, with far less push. Don't get me wrong, I love all bikes, but for my money, having been on both for thousands of miles, the Indian wins me over hands down.
The new microphone makes hearing you much easier. Thank you. That bike is beautiful, and frankly, all I can say after watching your review is, Harley, you'd better up your game, and in a hurry unless you actually want to be left in the dust. This bike in white is a dazzler for sure. Why are the license plates in the UK so huge? Thank you & keep up the good work.
Thanks Eric; the mic was expensive but worth it. Yes good point! The UK have a number of ridiculous laws and the plates are one of them. They are actually dangerous on many motorcycles as they stick out like a guillotine
You produce some really great videos. You cover all the basics spec wise, give valuable info on the ride and feel of the bike. Particularly for me, also being 6'3", the feed back of being less cramped on this vs. the Harley is really valuable. You also pick the most amazing backdrops to film against, really makes me want to visit England from the US.
Bought my first Indian in 2013 and just upgraded to a Chieftain Limited. Great bikes. I run a Harley too, but Indian have kicked Harley's butt in recent years. Well worth a test ride if you like big American Twins.
After having 14 Harleys (still have 1 ), I've bought into Indian Motorcycles.. I did, buy a 2022 Pursuit Premium 3 months ago and did a 9 day trip covering 9000km. I have only just traded that in for a 2023 Chieftain Elite a week ago. Loving the Chieftain... Indian make a much better bike, for money value and performance. Really dig the Springfield also..
Is the Chieftain an air cooled bike? The Pursuit had a higher horsepower engine right? Do you prefer the Chieftain air cooled engine? I really want a Thunderstroke engine, they look so uniquely beautiful, and the single crank pin "lope" of the engine is so wonderful.
I enjoy this channel a lot, and I like how you spend a good amount of time with us able to see the bike. I'm not really enjoying other channels where the majority of the review is an over-the-handlebars point of view. I came to see the bike, not your local roads and the top of the headlight. So, well done, I think you've got a good format going.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan one final question, if you don't mind, now that I've seen the whole video... I ride the same heritage you do... and I never got a chance to test ride this Indian. Would you trade the Heritage for the Indian? Which do you prefer?
@@5034403 That’s a difficult one! They are similar in many ways. In theory it would be a definite possibility. Right now personally I wouldn’t, but if I was looking to change it would be right up there.
I’ve been waiting for this review and you definitely delivered!Great review! I never thought of white for a bike but there’s enough black to break it up and make it look good. One of the things I love about your channel is you give your honest opinion and even though you’re a Harley guy you still give credit when credit is due to non-Harley bikes. Thank you again for the great video
This bike looks wicked in white...but still very classy at the same time. The new incarnation of Indian Motorcycle Co. seems to just be getting better with each passing year.
Thanks for the great review. I was looking to trade in my Dyna Wide Glide for a bigger touring bike. I was thinking about the Road King Special which I realy love. Then I came across this review. Since the Indian dealer is located few street from where I live. I visited them to see and test ride this exact same Smoke White Springfield Darkhorse. From that moment couldn't think about anything else. So I went to the HD dealer one last time to ride the 2021 Road King Special. After that I made my decision. 3 days ago I bought this Indian Springfield Darkhorse. I'm glad I came across this video and tried something else. Love this bike.
I’ve been thinking of finally upgrading from my Sportster. I have ridden both the Road King and just recently got home from a test ride on the Vintage Dark Horse. I’m a Harley guy. Well, I could say I was. Indian is just a better package overall. Brakes and suspension was better. Engine was better. I could cruise a highway all day. I can do that on the road king too. But if I gave you an old coat hanger and an arrow and said “show that target with one or the other, you’re gonna pick the arrow over the coat hanger. The RK felt a bit like an old bent coat hanger in comparison. That might be a scathing comparison to suggest. Nothing wrong with a RK. But the Indian flogs it.
Sold my Victory Highball for the 2021 Indian Springfield DarkHorse ( blacked out) I had them install Rinehart exhaust, hopefully it wakes her up a bit! Great content!
Excellent review, thank you. I think you have a winning format. As someone said earlier there is nothing worse than an entire review of 'bars and the top of the headlight and the reviewer shouting over engine and road noise. I look forward to your reviews of the rest of the Indian range, especially the Chieftain and the Challenger. Indian would do well to accommodate you with test bikes.
Nice bike but that's a lot of money. It may be 'better' than the Harley as are probably the Japanese cruisers but I'd rather own a Harley. Its the Road King for me. Well done sorting your audio out.
This bike is like an elegant but powerful white stallion, something belonging to the shires of the south east. Audio is perfect now but I can see that the wind is still trying to cr*& on your video! The MLD (mile long driveway) shots on a country estate do suit the bike well, almost like being in front of a green screen in a studio. In fact, bloody hell, it’s made a hell of a difference, like you’re in a studio with the audio!
Hi guys, I like your reviews, especially that you comment on how the particular bike suits tall people. I am 190cm and often found during test rides that it would be better if designer would think of tall guys (by the way I still did not figure out why motorbike companies do not offer several frame sizes like it is in bicycle world). Please keep going, you do great work!
@@jonathantyree8172 I have one as well, together with extended reach footpegs. Not enough. I am sure the overall fit would be much better if the bigger size is given by chassis design...
May God have Mercy!!! @0:19, big brother.. You & the piece of art.. the Indian Springfield compliment each other so much. Stay blessed 🙏 lots of Luv & appreciation from India.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I've always liked cruisers but I've always feared about being too big for all the bikes I like however thanks to the amazing vids I can look at those bikes.
I'd like to think that anything that's not a Harley is always a better bike than Harleys. But that doesn't translate to a better riding experience (or a better experience in owning a motorcycle), as that'd largely depend on the type of rider you consider yourself to be. I love your reviews! Keep it up!
Very well presented review, good to see the shots of yourself on it, so we get an understanding of of the size of the bike and how it looks for the bigger taller guys out there, looking forward to the rest of the indian line-up.
I've owned both Harleys n Indians..n ur spot on that Indians r definately better suited for taller riders..great power n accessories right out of the gate..ride Safe sir!!😀
Congrats on your new mic, terrific improvement. Now can you do a comparo btwn the R18 and another popular cruiser? I’m not a cruiser guy but entranced by the new R. Current ride is an rt. R18 will be a 2nd bike.
Being from Texas, I cringe every time I see the bushes on the left coming that close, mainly because when I saw that in my view I was either actively in the process of crashing or damn near it and scaring the crap out of myself! I'm looking at trading my Scout Bobber Icon in next week on either a Super Chief or a Springfield, and your video helped out with my decision!
Loving your videos so much! thanks for the tall people advice, i have asked dealers and they have always given me terrible advice, such as the higher the seat from the ground, the better. Now i know to look for a long wheel base :)
A very pristine review of an Indian bike favorite! The mic and audio is much, much better and does finally compare to the visual aspects. A complete and visual review of the bike made with honesty and knowledge. Being on the taller side, I do find the Indian on a longer wheelbase to be roomy and comfortable to ride with ease and pleasure. The Indian appears as one badass bike with a wicked disposition for riding all day long! Thanks for such a review as to be far superior to like ones. Bless you. RideWithPeace.
I ride a 2019 through the foothills of North Georgia, USA and I absolutely love it. Mine is the 111, but looking at the stage 3 kit in 2021. Safe Ridin'!
Hi Guys, First of all: great success with the new microphone system. Thank you for investing so much money and effort on our behalf. To the bike: It is a great bike, no doubt about it. But some details, like this frame of cast aluminium was the main reason, why i decided against the indian and for the road king instead. Did you adjust the rear suspension with an air pump? If not, this perhaps can be the reason for the "firmer" ride.
Those Indian big twin OHV engines are wonderful to look at. However, as a 2020 motorcycle in all enviroments and situations.... Moto Guzzi MGX21 Flying Fortress all day long.
Thanks for the review! I was curious, I know they’re two different bikes, but you seemed to have absolutely loved the Harley Breakout 114 that you reviewed previously, and were a little hesitant on this Springfield on some things. Which bike did you like more? I currently have a deal available locally for the two bikes and have been trying to make a decision on which one I like more. I’ve only been able to test ride each for 15 minutes and curious about long term comfort, and the overall performance. Thanks in advance.
Thanks bro! I'd say the Breakout pips it because I prefer the rake and overall look, but the Indian was surprisingly good. Comfort both about the same except that on junctions you have to lean forward to steer the Indian more. Performance the same. Down to looks really because either is awesome.
I think I'd be a lot more interested in the Indian bikes if their accessory prices didnt make HD's look like a bargin brand. And I wish that oil cooling unit came stock like it does on the M8. Seems like a very nice cushy cruise happy bike, but I dont fancy they idea of having to pay 310$+Labor for an oil cooling unit for summer, and then 410$ for a front engine guard highway bar. The skirted fender is also way cooler than that chopped one. Bring back the classy fender!
You guys are one of the best reviewers around, in market for new bagger and after this review definitely adding this to the shopping list, thanks for the great informative content
Hey Old Man! Nice work on this piece. The new mic sounds great. This bike looks good. Somehow it looks longer than the Dark Horse I tried. And I rode a camm'd 111, not the 116. I bet the 116 ran well. So the only thing I didn't hear you speak much of was the suspension, except to say that "it wasn't a problem." LOL! Can you provide a bit more detail? I am curious. As for the heritage looks, I can certainly appreciate the styling, but in the end this is not a bike I would own. I would love a Chieftain that had this bike's dimensions and fit! Anyway, very glad you have your Indian connection sorted. Looking forward to more Indian reviews. Cheers!
Thanks buddy! No issues with the suspension; it soaked up all the countryside bumps pretty well. Maybe not quite as compliant as the Heritage Classic Harley Davidson.
S @@MrDarcy-OlMan The Indian has more suspension travel 4 inches of travel and can be adjusted less air softer more air firmer. I was surprised you said that because Harley is a firmer suspension due to less travel the air shock must have been pumped-up on this one you tested. Harley only has 2-3 inches of travel. I could be wrong because the regular Springfield has fox air shocks like my Roadmaster but this is the cheaper Darkhorse version so maybe they use a regular shock.
@@chonasimpson6487 Jumping straight from the Heritage Classic to the Indian, it felt that way. The Harley Road King Special certainly has a worse ride than the two
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Hmmm, curious about this. Was it the dealer or Polaris being typical Polaris? I'm betting it was Polaris, but the dealer can be the X factor when gaging a rider's overall satisfaction with a bike.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Copy that. I am very spoiled in that my dealer is also a top-notch outfit. They continue to work on my Victory Vision with unabashed enthusiasm and have never done anything shady. I know that is not always the case with dealers. Polaris can be a real bitch to deal with as well and can sometimes tie the hands of a dealer, but again, the same can be said for almost any manufacturer. Your mileage will vary!
Great Vlog as always mate. I hate to say it as I’m a HD lover but the Indians do seem pound for pound slightly better made. Could you see yourself ever going to the dark side, excuse the pun, and trading in your Heritage for one? The sound is so much more pro by the way.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I’m actually looking at possibly getting back on 2 wheels in spring with a swap from my Freewheeler to a Fat Bob. Just need to sort out the right side issues for my prosthetic leg ha.
ok. Fucking awesome. The engine test sound is something you have to make an staple of your productions. No one does that or they put 3rd party exhaust that arent what the bike sounds on purchase, and that's something that may interest you or deter you from buying.
Nice review and nice Indian. I had a demo on the Dark Horse Chief and was also impressed with it. If the dealer also carries Guzzis as mentioned, any chance you can give a future review on a MGX-21 Flying Fortress? Would be interested to hear a review of it from an independent party. Keep up the good work!
You get more for your money with Indian. The power is there and the looks and ride are fantastic. Still love my harley but won't be buying a new one at the ridiculous price they want for the cvo road glide lol.
Great Review as always! I like your reviews because it is so authentic and it's clear, that you have a lot of experience in riding bikes. Just subscribed your channel. ...And I am very happy, that you like the Springfield. I own one since 2016, when the Springfield was launched. Just a great bike, and would like to have the extra power of the 116. Regards from Germany
I love the looks of this bike especially the roomy bags. I’m thinking of buying it and using it as a replacement to my pickup truck. I live in the city and parking is a pain! Thank you for this review.
Like the look of that.Ive noticed Indians arent as loud as Harleys,thats a plus for me.They dont need to make so much of a racket....Been to Saltire Edinburgh and the range of Indian bikes there makes me drool.....
@@MrDarcy-OlMan yeah, that thing looks like a ton of fun. Taller, forward leaning riding position, liquid cooled, ride command, brembo brakes, but Ill be hanging on to my Springfield until we're both showing our age haha
So i heard that in other countries in europe that the turn signals have to be amber. in the states it doesnt matter. for bikes like this, are they amber or red in the rear. LOVE to see an indian on your channel
Indians might cost about $1K more than comparable Harleys, but you get a lot of tech for the money. I’ll have to wait an see when it comes time to buy my next bike.
Never ridden a feet forward ... I'm 6'8" - Need comfort, bad back etc. - From a life of crotch rockets - Interesting !! I'm here from you're video recommendation for Tall people bikes!
Nice Review. Did you mention how to air up the rear shock? Wondering if its the same under the seat body panel to remove just like my Victory. Wish my air valve was mounted externally since I need to air it up every weekend.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan No Problem. I rarely ever see anybody mention that on the Indian Bikes with the Rear MonoShock. Heck, it never gets mentioned much on Harley reviews either. Or maybe I've got a leaky shock...lol.
Why was the throttle sticking? Get heated grips & seats. Floor boards look more raised on an angle than the Harleys. I'd like a clear removable screen or bathing fairing for winter- getting on a bit, like my creature comforts. Going to keep the Heritage?
I think is was on choke. Yes the boards do look higher. You can get an optional screen. It's very similar to the Heritage so not worth changing it for and losing money
Thanks for an excellent review of a motorcycle I (now) strongly consider. Very informative, with many points others miss. (dimensions, ergonomics, weight, rake and trail, etc.) - I of course hammered both thumbs up and the subscribe button, and I look forward to seeing more material from you.
Like the standard Springfield more, just like the look. Lots of good reviews on the Springfield in general. Ever give an opinion on your best riding most comfortable motorcycle. Mine all time is the Victory Vision which is hard to look at I know. Enjoyed the review.
A "mode button", I wonder how many accidents fiddling with one those will be caused, looking down at the display while the traffic ahead has come to halt. I was searching an Indian dealership's listing of used bikes and marvelled at the ultra low mileage bikes with multiple previous owners. Lots of older gents think what fun it would be to have a bike again, only to find the novelty wears off in a few hundred miles.... often less..
Yes that’s certainly possible although like anything, you get used to it and don’t need to look after a while. Same with the Harleys; lots of low mileage bikes out there for the taking
The Harley kick stand is fine. It appears that the bike is going to roll forward and fall over. But when the stand is down all the way, it slips into a notch that makes it impossible to roll forward and fall. It will roll an inch or two, but it won't fall. Other brands cannot say that. I have a Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic and an Indian Chief Vintage. I like them both and each of them has their strengths and weaknesses.
Yes that’s true, but even knowing that it still makes the heart skip when it rolls as you walk away. The Softail stands are genuinely rubbish! I and many people have dropped the bike because of the badly designed stand
@@MrDarcy-OlMan yes, I get that. I would be happier if the stand was longer and went forward more. I had an FXRS and an FLST and I always left the bike is 1st gear. Then I would push it forward until the gears stopped the bike, then I would put the kick stand down. It worked well, but if the stand was right in the first place I could have avoided the extra step.
Great review Please give the weight & price as if in the USA ... did like the way you covered everything including the kickstand . I subscribed & looking forward to more reviews
Another great video from the guys . The part that kills me is that Indian hasn’t done a good enough job marketing their Bikes in mainland Europe as compared to HD. The consequence is that here in Germany the resale of an Indian is way poorer than an HD. So take me as an example , I’m getting a sweet deal on an Indian Springfield and an okish deal on an HD Classic , but with a stone on my heart I’m almost feeling compelled to buy that bloody HD Road King because should I need to sell my bike in 3 years I’ll suffer a massive loss with the Indian but not with the Harley . However , I do think Indian has woken HD up and my personal prediction is 2022 or 2023 wil see HD launch a beefier Road King classic and special . So for now I’m probably going to go with a 2021 Fatboy ( cliche I know for a guy in his mid 30s who’s seen Terminator 2 a hundred times ) , but look at the touring market in 3 years when I feel HD would have lost market share to Indian and launched a real beast .
Very good points indeed. It seems that the new CEO of Harley Davidson has a good plan, but yes you don’t hear the man on the street talking about the Indian motorcycle.
Very good-looking bike. Great panniers. 21 kg lighter than the other one. That's a lot. I like the footboards. Not so keen on the look of the mini-apes. Trade the Harley in!
Just bought this bike in quartz gray, 23 model, holy smokes is it amazing. It was very hard for me to wrap my brain around the fact that it weighs as much as it does(I have a super duke GT for scope). This thing is so easy to ride and just an absolute treasure at 80mph on the freeway. The wife and I were doing a tiger 1200gt pro and I didn’t like the pillion experience with it. My wife is 135 pounds so I was surprised. Indian was super nice to us to ride up a canyon to Deadwood from Sturgis. I didn’t even notice her on the back and slow u turns were a breeze. I was always intimidated by these bigger bikes, I am an off-roader mostly 701 and 1090r which are my bread and butter type things. My buddy I ride BDRs with has a huge Harley and we traded bikes on a ride. My personal biases and preconceived notions were wrong. If you have a woman who wants to ride with you get this class of bike. She is so calm back there, comfy and wants to ride more and more. There doesn’t need to be massive communication on things. Love your videos and have watched a ton. Be cool if you guys ever came over to these parts and experienced what it is like around Sturgis. You guys would love it
Just picked up my quartz gray 23 SDH - couldn't be happier. I did add a wind screen and the rear passenger back rest - it's just so comfortable now - highway, turns, tooling around town - fun bike.
Hi Guys I really enjoy your videos thank you for your efforts. I have a 2020 Xdiavel (not the regular diavel!!). I love it o think it's a magnificent bike but generally over looked and rarely discussed. I would love to see a non biased review from yourselves if possible. Many thanks
I owned a road king for 3 years an loved it. 3 months ago I test ride a Springfield.... I now own a Springfield. The ride an feel on the Springfield kicks the road king out the water. The Springfield is in the league of its own! Sorry you hard core HD fans but its true.
OK great - glad you love it 👍🏼
I've ridden Harley Davidsons for years and loved them, but now I own a '22 Springfield. 2K miles in, and I can tell you I won't be going back. The balance of Indians is vastly superior imo. It's extremely nimble, with far less push. Don't get me wrong, I love all bikes, but for my money, having been on both for thousands of miles, the Indian wins me over hands down.
Ok great 👍🏼👍🏼
Mic sounds really good! It definitely is a huge difference and does not go unnoticed. Great content
Thanks buddy! Just a little tweaking and we’ve got it right 👍🏼👍🏼
The new microphone makes hearing you much easier. Thank you.
That bike is beautiful, and frankly, all I can say after watching your review is, Harley, you'd better up your game, and in a hurry unless you actually want to be left in the dust. This bike in white is a dazzler for sure.
Why are the license plates in the UK so huge?
Thank you & keep up the good work.
Thanks Eric; the mic was expensive but worth it. Yes good point!
The UK have a number of ridiculous laws and the plates are one of them. They are actually dangerous on many motorcycles as they stick out like a guillotine
You produce some really great videos. You cover all the basics spec wise, give valuable info on the ride and feel of the bike. Particularly for me, also being 6'3", the feed back of being less cramped on this vs. the Harley is really valuable. You also pick the most amazing backdrops to film against, really makes me want to visit England from the US.
Thanks Ethan! Much appreciated. We’re glad it helps. 💯👍🏼
Bought my first Indian in 2013 and just upgraded to a Chieftain Limited. Great bikes. I run a Harley too, but Indian have kicked Harley's butt in recent years. Well worth a test ride if you like big American Twins.
Awesome! Good points bro
After having 14 Harleys (still have 1 ), I've bought into Indian Motorcycles.. I did, buy a 2022 Pursuit Premium 3 months ago and did a 9 day trip covering 9000km. I have only just traded that in for a 2023 Chieftain Elite a week ago. Loving the Chieftain... Indian make a much better bike, for money value and performance.
Really dig the Springfield also..
Is the Chieftain an air cooled bike? The Pursuit had a higher horsepower engine right? Do you prefer the Chieftain air cooled engine? I really want a Thunderstroke engine, they look so uniquely beautiful, and the single crank pin "lope" of the engine is so wonderful.
I enjoy this channel a lot, and I like how you spend a good amount of time with us able to see the bike. I'm not really enjoying other channels where the majority of the review is an over-the-handlebars point of view. I came to see the bike, not your local roads and the top of the headlight. So, well done, I think you've got a good format going.
Thanks Rich. We agree with that; nothing more boring! 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan one final question, if you don't mind, now that I've seen the whole video... I ride the same heritage you do... and I never got a chance to test ride this Indian. Would you trade the Heritage for the Indian? Which do you prefer?
@@5034403 That’s a difficult one! They are similar in many ways. In theory it would be a definite possibility. Right now personally I wouldn’t, but if I was looking to change it would be right up there.
Can't say I'm completely sold on the looks, but that engine sounds like the end of the world! Great review and that's a hell of a lot of bike.
It looks better in black! Yes the engine is awesome! Thanks buddy
I ride a 2018 Springfield Darkhorse. Absolutely no regrets. Since my year they have added a few nice features.
Awesome! Thanks buddy
Stunning looking machine. As a big&Tall rider, I cant fit comfortably on a HD, so I ride Honda. Indian has my attention now!!
Yes it’s very roomy 👍🏼👍🏼
I’ve been waiting for this review and you definitely delivered!Great review! I never thought of white for a bike but there’s enough black to break it up and make it look good. One of the things I love about your channel is you give your honest opinion and even though you’re a Harley guy you still give credit when credit is due to non-Harley bikes. Thank you again for the great video
Thanks! Sorry it took so long as I said in the intro. We always stay neutral and objective hopefully!
This bike looks wicked in white...but still very classy at the same time. The new incarnation of Indian Motorcycle Co. seems to just be getting better with each passing year.
Yes it’s unusual to see white. Absolutely superb bike!
Thanks for the great review. I was looking to trade in my Dyna Wide Glide for a bigger touring bike. I was thinking about the Road King Special which I realy love. Then I came across this review. Since the Indian dealer is located few street from where I live. I visited them to see and test ride this exact same Smoke White Springfield Darkhorse. From that moment couldn't think about anything else. So I went to the HD dealer one last time to ride the 2021 Road King Special. After that I made my decision. 3 days ago I bought this Indian Springfield Darkhorse. I'm glad I came across this video and tried something else. Love this bike.
Awesome! It really is a fabulous bike!
I’ve been thinking of finally upgrading from my Sportster. I have ridden both the Road King and just recently got home from a test ride on the Vintage Dark Horse. I’m a Harley guy. Well, I could say I was. Indian is just a better package overall. Brakes and suspension was better. Engine was better. I could cruise a highway all day. I can do that on the road king too. But if I gave you an old coat hanger and an arrow and said “show that target with one or the other, you’re gonna pick the arrow over the coat hanger. The RK felt a bit like an old bent coat hanger in comparison. That might be a scathing comparison to suggest. Nothing wrong with a RK. But the Indian flogs it.
@@whatsstefon Pretty much our view on the two bikes bro. The Indian is definitely the better bike of the two
Sold my Victory Highball for the 2021 Indian Springfield DarkHorse ( blacked out) I had them install Rinehart exhaust, hopefully it wakes her up a bit! Great content!
Very nice!
That monster almost dwarfs the Old Man. Such a nice looking bike. I might actually have to sit on it. New mic is awesome!
Thank you! Yes that makes a change! The mic was worth the investment 👍🏼
Excellent review, thank you. I think you have a winning format. As someone said earlier there is nothing worse than an entire review of 'bars and the top of the headlight and the reviewer shouting over engine and road noise. I look forward to your reviews of the rest of the Indian range, especially the Chieftain and the Challenger. Indian would do well to accommodate you with test bikes.
Thanks very much! It’s great to get feedback. Maybe Indian will listen to us now!
I like the fact you brought up the need for tall rider comfort on the Indian. Thanks for another cool review.
Thanks Bob! 👍🏼👍🏼
Nice bike but that's a lot of money. It may be 'better' than the Harley as are probably the Japanese cruisers but I'd rather own a Harley. Its the Road King for me. Well done sorting your audio out.
Thanks buddy. Understood 👍🏼👍🏼
Also more American that Harley
What you talking about ? No different from Harley price . The HD road king special is about the same price.
This bike is like an elegant but powerful white stallion, something belonging to the shires of the south east. Audio is perfect now but I can see that the wind is still trying to cr*& on your video! The MLD (mile long driveway) shots on a country estate do suit the bike well, almost like being in front of a green screen in a studio. In fact, bloody hell, it’s made a hell of a difference, like you’re in a studio with the audio!
Thanks bro! A few tweaks and we're on pointe!
Hi guys, I like your reviews, especially that you comment on how the particular bike suits tall people. I am 190cm and often found during test rides that it would be better if designer would think of tall guys (by the way I still did not figure out why motorbike companies do not offer several frame sizes like it is in bicycle world). Please keep going, you do great work!
Thanks very much! Yes we are on a mission to bring this issue to motorcycle designers. We have a plan with the next Triumph we are reviewing!
Indian makes am extended reach seat..specifically for taller rides. I tried one. Worked great
@@jonathantyree8172 that’s great, on an already bigger than average bike 👍🏼
@@jonathantyree8172 I have one as well, together with extended reach footpegs. Not enough. I am sure the overall fit would be much better if the bigger size is given by chassis design...
To my eyes, the Springfield Classic with all the chrome and big front mudguard looks so much nicer.
May God have Mercy!!! @0:19, big brother.. You & the piece of art.. the Indian Springfield compliment each other so much. Stay blessed 🙏 lots of Luv & appreciation from India.
Thank you brother 😀
Indian makes it REALLY Hard to want a Harley
Great video. Thank you for all the information as a tall rider. It’s nice knowing bikes are filled for 6’6” individual.
Just found this channel and as a tall guy (6'6) Im looking for reviews that take height into consideration.
Great job gentleman.
Thanks Charlie! Welcome ! Make sure you check out our other videos 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan will do I'm watching the tall guy play list at the moment 👍👍
@@charliesmith4816 awesome! We hoped that would help 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I've always liked cruisers but I've always feared about being too big for all the bikes I like however thanks to the amazing vids I can look at those bikes.
@@charliesmith4816 Yes the Indian Springfield is one of the biggest and very good indeed. Harley Davidson breakout too
I'd like to think that anything that's not a Harley is always a better bike than Harleys. But that doesn't translate to a better riding experience (or a better experience in owning a motorcycle), as that'd largely depend on the type of rider you consider yourself to be. I love your reviews! Keep it up!
Haha they’re not that bad! Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
the new microphone is great. Its like you are inside.
Thanks! Yes it definitely cuts out the gales!
Very well presented review, good to see the shots of yourself on it, so we get an understanding of of the size of the bike and how it looks for the bigger taller guys out there, looking forward to the rest of the indian line-up.
Thanks Joe! Yes certainly more Indians to come!
I've owned both Harleys n Indians..n ur spot on that Indians r definately better suited for taller riders..great power n accessories right out of the gate..ride Safe sir!!😀
OK that’s great! Thanks. Yes they are much roomier 👍🏼👍🏼
Great to hear Moto guzzi pronounced correctly 👍
Yes like Pizza! Nobody says it right 👊🏼
Your channel is damn underrated!!!!.
Great work manh, keep going. ❤️❤️
Thanks buddy! We're getting there!
The old man looks like a Knight of the realm and speaks like a gentleman not bad for a big full Bruce nz
Thanks Bruce! 👌👍🏼
@@jamescoll130 💪🏻👍🏼💯
Congrats on your new mic, terrific improvement.
Now can you do a comparo btwn the R18 and another popular cruiser? I’m not a cruiser guy but entranced by the new R. Current ride is an rt. R18 will be a 2nd bike.
Thanks buddy! Our old mic was good but couldn’t cope with the constant wind! We’ve got an R 18 booked for a second review! Watch this space 👍🏼👊🏼
The closest dealer to me is 100 miles in heavy traffic. If they had more dealers I would own one.
Not a bagger guy but this is a beautiful bike. New mic is great.
Thanks Milo. 💯👍🏼
Being from Texas, I cringe every time I see the bushes on the left coming that close, mainly because when I saw that in my view I was either actively in the process of crashing or damn near it and scaring the crap out of myself! I'm looking at trading my Scout Bobber Icon in next week on either a Super Chief or a Springfield, and your video helped out with my decision!
Great sound quality now the exhaust note was picked up beautifully. Another great review and a bike for us tall guys 👍
Thanks bigun!
I think that Indian would look better in cream rather than white but.what a great quality build this bike is, it looks the dogs nuts!
Yes that would look nice. Yes it’s very good 👍🏼👍🏼
Loving your videos so much! thanks for the tall people advice, i have asked dealers and they have always given me terrible advice, such as the higher the seat from the ground, the better. Now i know to look for a long wheel base :)
Thanks bud! 💯👍🏼
Just started watching you guys a couple days ago. I’m really enjoying the reviews your personalities! Thank you 🙏
Thanks James! Much appreciated 👍🏼
A very pristine review of an Indian bike favorite! The mic and audio is much, much better and does finally compare to the visual aspects. A complete and visual review of the bike made with honesty and knowledge. Being on the taller side, I do find the Indian on a longer wheelbase to be roomy and comfortable to ride with ease and pleasure. The Indian appears as one badass bike with a wicked disposition for riding all day long! Thanks for such a review as to be far superior to like ones. Bless you. RideWithPeace.
Much appreciated, thank you 👍🏼👍🏼
You've found a bike that fits lanky lad! As a fellow lanky I know how you feel, pygmies bikes are all cool but getting a machine you fit does help. 🤘🖖
Yes it’s a bigun! 💪🏻
I ride a 2019 through the foothills of North Georgia, USA and I absolutely love it. Mine is the 111, but looking at the stage 3 kit in 2021. Safe Ridin'!
Sounds idyllic! Awesome
I went with Lloydz 2 stage cams on my 2019 Darkhorse and a Craig B (fuel moto) tune. Dont waste that money, just get a 2021 Chieftain with the 116.
Just discovered your channel and am very impressed with your motorcycle reviews - thanks!
Thanks Steve! Welcome aboard 👍🏼
Mic is a brilliant addition guys!
Thanks Jet. No more wind noise!
Hi Guys,
First of all: great success with the new microphone system. Thank you for investing so much money and effort on our behalf.
To the bike: It is a great bike, no doubt about it.
But some details, like this frame of cast aluminium was the main reason, why i decided against the indian and for the road king instead.
Did you adjust the rear suspension with an air pump? If not, this perhaps can be the reason for the "firmer" ride.
Thanks Michi! Yes I can see your point. No I didn’t adjust anything so that may explain it
Those Indian big twin OHV engines are wonderful to look at.
However, as a 2020 motorcycle in all enviroments and situations.... Moto Guzzi MGX21 Flying Fortress all day long.
We are hoping to get on the Moto Guzzi very soon!
The audio is perfect. And a great video.
Thanks mate! A few tweaks and it will be 👍🏼
good point about being fit for the taller rider,
Thanks! Yes it’s a rare quality 👍🏼
Thanks for the review! I was curious, I know they’re two different bikes, but you seemed to have absolutely loved the Harley Breakout 114 that you reviewed previously, and were a little hesitant on this Springfield on some things. Which bike did you like more? I currently have a deal available locally for the two bikes and have been trying to make a decision on which one I like more. I’ve only been able to test ride each for 15 minutes and curious about long term comfort, and the overall performance. Thanks in advance.
Thanks bro! I'd say the Breakout pips it because I prefer the rake and overall look, but the Indian was surprisingly good. Comfort both about the same except that on junctions you have to lean forward to steer the Indian more. Performance the same. Down to looks really because either is awesome.
I think I'd be a lot more interested in the Indian bikes if their accessory prices didnt make HD's look like a bargin brand. And I wish that oil cooling unit came stock like it does on the M8.
Seems like a very nice cushy cruise happy bike, but I dont fancy they idea of having to pay 310$+Labor for an oil cooling unit for summer, and then 410$ for a front engine guard highway bar.
The skirted fender is also way cooler than that chopped one. Bring back the classy fender!
Yes agreed. It’s a premium brand for sure.
Nice review, brother. I have the standard Springfield and I couldn't be happier.
Thanks buddy! Excellent; lovely bike 💯
oh and I never thought I’d see the day a bike that comes along and dwarves the Ol’ Man 🤯. What a bike .
Yes it was certainly roomy enough for a change’
You guys are one of the best reviewers around, in market for new bagger and after this review definitely adding this to the shopping list, thanks for the great informative content
Thanks buddy! Much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼
Hey Old Man! Nice work on this piece. The new mic sounds great. This bike looks good. Somehow it looks longer than the Dark Horse I tried. And I rode a camm'd 111, not the 116. I bet the 116 ran well. So the only thing I didn't hear you speak much of was the suspension, except to say that "it wasn't a problem." LOL! Can you provide a bit more detail? I am curious. As for the heritage looks, I can certainly appreciate the styling, but in the end this is not a bike I would own. I would love a Chieftain that had this bike's dimensions and fit!
Anyway, very glad you have your Indian connection sorted. Looking forward to more Indian reviews. Cheers!
Thanks buddy! No issues with the suspension; it soaked up all the countryside bumps pretty well. Maybe not quite as compliant as the Heritage Classic Harley Davidson.
S @@MrDarcy-OlMan The Indian has more suspension travel 4 inches of travel and can be adjusted less air softer more air firmer. I was surprised you said that because Harley is a firmer suspension due to less travel the air shock must have been pumped-up on this one you tested. Harley only has 2-3 inches of travel. I could be wrong because the regular Springfield has fox air shocks like my Roadmaster but this is the cheaper Darkhorse version so maybe they use a regular shock.
@@chonasimpson6487 Jumping straight from the Heritage Classic to the Indian, it felt that way. The Harley Road King Special certainly has a worse ride than the two
Had a 16 Springfield, fantastic bike, far better than the harley RK classic, my previous bike, badly let down by the dealers, now on BMWs
Thanks bro! Shame about the dealers!
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Hmmm, curious about this. Was it the dealer or Polaris being typical Polaris? I'm betting it was Polaris, but the dealer can be the X factor when gaging a rider's overall satisfaction with a bike.
@@dennism1919 the comment from Wayne (above) was referring g to a dealership. The dealership we borrowed this from couldn’t be more helpful
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Copy that. I am very spoiled in that my dealer is also a top-notch outfit. They continue to work on my Victory Vision with unabashed enthusiasm and have never done anything shady. I know that is not always the case with dealers. Polaris can be a real bitch to deal with as well and can sometimes tie the hands of a dealer, but again, the same can be said for almost any manufacturer. Your mileage will vary!
@@dennism1919 yes I hear you. 👍🏼👍🏼
Great Vlog as always mate. I hate to say it as I’m a HD lover but the Indians do seem pound for pound slightly better made. Could you see yourself ever going to the dark side, excuse the pun, and trading in your Heritage for one? The sound is so much more pro by the way.
Thanks bro. It's very similar to the Heritage so not worth swapping for, plus the loss. But it's worth considering if on the market for a big cruiser.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I’m actually looking at possibly getting back on 2 wheels in spring with a swap from my Freewheeler to a Fat Bob. Just need to sort out the right side issues for my prosthetic leg ha.
@@Andy-px1mj ok got ya! 👍🏼👍🏼
Indian vs Harley, Harley vs Indian, competition benefits the rider.
Yes absolutely!
ok.
Fucking awesome.
The engine test sound is something you have to make an staple of your productions. No one does that or they put 3rd party exhaust that arent what the bike sounds on purchase, and that's something that may interest you or deter you from buying.
Thanks buddy! Totally get you. What a bike!
Nice review and nice Indian. I had a demo on the Dark Horse Chief and was also impressed with it. If the dealer also carries Guzzis as mentioned, any chance you can give a future review on a MGX-21 Flying Fortress? Would be interested to hear a review of it from an independent party. Keep up the good work!
Thanks buddy. Yes we definitely will at some point, We’ve been trying to get the press bikes but they aren’t a very accommodating company
That is one truly beautiful machine. Indian scores again...
You get more for your money with Indian. The power is there and the looks and ride are fantastic. Still love my harley but won't be buying a new one at the ridiculous price they want for the cvo road glide lol.
Yes they are ever so good! The CVO’s are so expensive. It’s hard to see the justification
One thing l like is the is it has a gear primary and the secondary is on the opposite side. Alot less work to change the belt.
Yes indeed 👍🏼
Great Review as always! I like your reviews because it is so authentic and it's clear, that you have a lot of experience in riding bikes. Just subscribed your channel. ...And I am very happy, that you like the Springfield. I own one since 2016, when the Springfield was launched. Just a great bike, and would like to have the extra power of the 116. Regards from Germany
We appreciate that! Thank you for subscribing!
Beautiful bike! The white and black is gorgeous. Great review!
nice test ride as usual, hoping we can see soon some Moto Guzzi
Thanks buddy! Yes definitely will
I love the looks of this bike especially the roomy bags. I’m thinking of buying it and using it as a replacement to my pickup truck. I live in the city and parking is a pain! Thank you for this review.
Yes it’s awesome. Ok that’s an interesting pickup alternative 👍🏼👍🏼
Like the look of that.Ive noticed Indians arent as loud as Harleys,thats a plus for me.They dont need to make so much of a racket....Been to Saltire Edinburgh and the range of Indian bikes there makes me drool.....
They are beautiful bikes! The sound is very nice - I have heard some lousd ones but maybe most buyers opt for a quieter pipe
That's my exact bike. I love it so much and now I'm fully set on the Indian line... got my eyes on an FTR 1200 S 👀
Cool! To add to the garage?
@@MrDarcy-OlMan yeah, that thing looks like a ton of fun. Taller, forward leaning riding position, liquid cooled, ride command, brembo brakes, but Ill be hanging on to my Springfield until we're both showing our age haha
So i heard that in other countries in europe that the turn signals have to be amber. in the states it doesnt matter. for bikes like this, are they amber or red in the rear. LOVE to see an indian on your channel
They have to be amber front and rear in the UK 👍🏼 Thanks buddy
Indians might cost about $1K more than comparable Harleys, but you get a lot of tech for the money. I’ll have to wait an see when it comes time to buy my next bike.
They are cheaper than harleys in the USA
Even in the UK, Indians are considerably cheaper than Harley's for what you are getting
Never ridden a feet forward ... I'm 6'8" - Need comfort, bad back etc. - From a life of crotch rockets - Interesting !!
I'm here from you're video recommendation for Tall people bikes!
Thanks buddy. Yes the Indians are more roomy than most other bikes. Be sure to subscribe because we’ve got some big bikes lined up!
Nice Review. Did you mention how to air up the rear shock? Wondering if its the same under the seat body panel to remove just like my Victory. Wish my air valve was mounted externally since I need to air it up every weekend.
Thanks buddy. No I didn’t go in to that👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan No Problem. I rarely ever see anybody mention that on the Indian Bikes with the Rear MonoShock. Heck, it never gets mentioned much on Harley reviews either. Or maybe I've got a leaky shock...lol.
Why was the throttle sticking? Get heated grips & seats. Floor boards look more raised on an angle than the Harleys. I'd like a clear removable screen or bathing fairing for winter- getting on a bit, like my creature comforts. Going to keep the Heritage?
I think is was on choke. Yes the boards do look higher. You can get an optional screen. It's very similar to the Heritage so not worth changing it for and losing money
Best bike review host ever!
Thanks my friend
I love my 2019 Indian Chieftain! LOW MAINTENANCE too!
That’s great! 💯👍🏼
Great review. Looking forward to seeing you review the Indian Scout :)
Thanks buddy! Yes it will be soon!
What was with the engine sticking at high revs with the throttle blips? Is this a common thing? Why, and what does it do?
I think it was the choke because it just started.
Thanks for an excellent review of a motorcycle I (now) strongly consider. Very informative, with many points others miss. (dimensions, ergonomics, weight, rake and trail, etc.) - I of course hammered both thumbs up and the subscribe button, and I look forward to seeing more material from you.
Thanks very much! Welcome aboard! Check out our other videos too!
Like the standard Springfield more, just like the look. Lots of good reviews on the Springfield in general. Ever give an opinion on your best riding most comfortable motorcycle. Mine all time is the Victory Vision which is hard to look at I know. Enjoyed the review.
Yes it looks really nice. We will do a best of 2020 in December 👍🏼👍🏼
Agree, the Victorys were great bikes that now have a strong cult following.
A "mode button", I wonder how many accidents fiddling with one those will be caused, looking down at the display while the traffic ahead has come to halt.
I was searching an Indian dealership's listing of used bikes and marvelled at the ultra low mileage bikes with multiple previous owners. Lots of older gents think what fun it would be to have a bike again, only to find the novelty wears off in a few hundred miles.... often less..
Yes that’s certainly possible although like anything, you get used to it and don’t need to look after a while. Same with the Harleys; lots of low mileage bikes out there for the taking
Love the colour and the bike. Like yourself I'm over 6ft so this size bike would suit me just perfectly. Great video as usual guys, thanks.
Thanks buddy. Yes it’s unusual to see white isn’t it!
The Harley kick stand is fine. It appears that the bike is going to roll forward and fall over. But when the stand is down all the way, it slips into a notch that makes it impossible to roll forward and fall. It will roll an inch or two, but it won't fall. Other brands cannot say that. I have a Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic and an Indian Chief Vintage. I like them both and each of them has their strengths and weaknesses.
Yes that’s true, but even knowing that it still makes the heart skip when it rolls as you walk away. The Softail stands are genuinely rubbish! I and many people have dropped the bike because of the badly designed stand
@@MrDarcy-OlMan yes, I get that. I would be happier if the stand was longer and went forward more. I had an FXRS and an FLST and I always left the bike is 1st gear. Then I would push it forward until the gears stopped the bike, then I would put the kick stand down. It worked well, but if the stand was right in the first place I could have avoided the extra step.
You say it doesn’t roll yet admitt it does an inch or two which is exactly what the man is saying. Notch Notch go away
I would definitely change the exhaust if I had one though to me sounds like one of the mini bikes with a Brigs and Stratton motor with the stock pipes
Yes we would too 👍🏼💯
At 5' 8 and my budget not entertaining anything over 19k i'll pass but she is gorgeous.
Thanks yes!
Great review Please give the weight & price as if in the USA ... did like the way you covered everything including the kickstand . I subscribed & looking forward to more reviews
Thanks David! Welcome aboard!
Great review as usual. Have you tried also the normal version of the Springfield? If yes which one did you like the most?
Not yet! Hopefully soon. Thanks bro!
weird revving at 11:20+ possibly due to rear cylinder deactivation?
Yes maybe. It was on choke so maybe that
Hey! Great review. Glad you enjoyed the bike! James, Motorcycle World-Northampton
Thanks Buddy! Yes fabulous! And the dealership is first class. I emailed a couple of times since and haven’t heard back.
Another great video from the guys . The part that kills me is that Indian hasn’t done a good enough job marketing their Bikes in mainland Europe as compared to HD. The consequence is that here in Germany the resale of an Indian is way poorer than an HD. So take me as an example , I’m getting a sweet deal on an Indian Springfield and an okish deal on an HD Classic , but with a stone on my heart I’m almost feeling compelled to buy that bloody HD Road King because should I need to sell my bike in 3 years I’ll suffer a massive loss with the Indian but not with the Harley . However , I do think Indian has woken HD up and my personal prediction is 2022 or 2023 wil see HD launch a beefier Road King classic and special . So for now I’m probably going to go with a 2021 Fatboy ( cliche I know for a guy in his mid 30s who’s seen Terminator 2 a hundred times ) , but look at the touring market in 3 years when I feel HD would have lost market share to Indian and launched a real beast .
Very good points indeed. It seems that the new CEO of Harley Davidson has a good plan, but yes you don’t hear the man on the street talking about the Indian motorcycle.
Very good-looking bike. Great panniers. 21 kg lighter than the other one. That's a lot. I like the footboards. Not so keen on the look of the mini-apes. Trade the Harley in!
Yes it’s got great presence! Food for thought! 👍🏼
Crazy engine! Did it feel too heavy compared to your Herritage Classic? It would be nice to see a Moto Guzzi reviewed by you two :)
Yes awesome. No it feels about the same
I'd add an extended reach seat, passenger backrest and a windshield. I'd prefer a gloss color too, but it's a dark horse.
Yes that would be good!
Can't wait to see a review on the scout. Quality video as always.
Definitely in the pipeline! Thanks buddy 👍🏼
Nice-looking bike my problem no real dealer Network they could Bowl in any year also that much money you need a good fairing for long-distance riding
You can get an optional fairing. Only time will tell if they go under.
Just bought this bike in quartz gray, 23 model, holy smokes is it amazing. It was very hard for me to wrap my brain around the fact that it weighs as much as it does(I have a super duke GT for scope). This thing is so easy to ride and just an absolute treasure at 80mph on the freeway. The wife and I were doing a tiger 1200gt pro and I didn’t like the pillion experience with it. My wife is 135 pounds so I was surprised. Indian was super nice to us to ride up a canyon to Deadwood from Sturgis. I didn’t even notice her on the back and slow u turns were a breeze.
I was always intimidated by these bigger bikes, I am an off-roader mostly 701 and 1090r which are my bread and butter type things. My buddy I ride BDRs with has a huge Harley and we traded bikes on a ride. My personal biases and preconceived notions were wrong.
If you have a woman who wants to ride with you get this class of bike. She is so calm back there, comfy and wants to ride more and more. There doesn’t need to be massive communication on things.
Love your videos and have watched a ton. Be cool if you guys ever came over to these parts and experienced what it is like around Sturgis. You guys would love it
@@gilvietor1918 awesome, great to hear 👍🏼
Just picked up my quartz gray 23 SDH - couldn't be happier. I did add a wind screen and the rear passenger back rest - it's just so comfortable now - highway, turns, tooling around town - fun bike.
Awesome, enjoy 😉
Hi Guys I really enjoy your videos thank you for your efforts. I have a 2020 Xdiavel (not the regular diavel!!). I love it o think it's a magnificent bike but generally over looked and rarely discussed. I would love to see a non biased review from yourselves if possible. Many thanks
Thanks buddy! Yes that’s something we should do!
HEARD THEY BREAK ALOT AND THE COST TO REPAIR IS OMG
That is my favorite Indian,but I would have to ad a quick detach windscreen.
Yes it’s pretty cool isn’t it!
for 5'5 individual... it would look comical to reach the handlebar.