Excellent interview. I was waiting for Rectenwald to integrate Gottfried's work into his own analysis - for anyone trying to understand wokeness and power in our current political system, it is essential. Also, the two make the perfect bridge between libertarianism and paleo-conservatism and showcases how an alliance is very possible.
I don't think of the Nazis as nihilist. In fact, I think of them having a strong ideology based in part on Darwinism and progressivism/socialism, mixed with fascism and traditional German nationalism. Of course also racism. To me, nihilism is thinking that no values matter or you can choose any value because values per se are all that same.
@@JD-os2kr It's when people look to enrich themselves and seek pleasures at the expense of others. No one wants to watch something grow, do not enjoy the creativity of others, or feel apart of something. It's all about me. No one is nice, he or she is just trying to get one past you.
Great chat. But it's really astonishing how incapable most are at seperating the red/blue lens from anything they view. They can't think or discuss anything without any reference to it. Which thinks better? The bull with the red nose-ring ?or the bull with the blue nose-ring? Today's expert not only ignores how this tethers you and removes independent thinking. But they will also spend hours telling you how pretty it is. Lol
All sides of govts funded/fed by same sources. Good world reports show corporations hold more financial (and Geo political) power then countries. Sides creates/feeds division and they know like sleep most will change sides eventually. New govt blames prev. And so the cycle goes.
All Non-rothbardians, all non-anarchists I have ever heard make the same mistake. I know what community is, and I value it. I agree thay community is a foundation of society. I just don't believe you should base your concept of law or right around that community. The community does not exist without the individuals making up the community through their relations and relationships, so it is not the correct place to stop your analysis. Yet every time, statists claim that anarchists are atomizing hyper-individualists
All anarcho-capitalists I was hanging out with 10 years ago, myself inlcuded, were social atomistst, even if unwittingly by their presuppositions about society and priorities in life. Execeptions are possible, but it is really up to the libertarian anarchist movement to embody this if they want to loose the lable. Many people at the Mises institute are infact exceptions, but I don't find the same to be the case among your average grass-roots.
And why would you lay the blame for this at the feet of 'anarchism"? It is very clear to me that most of that atomization is caused basically by brainwashing and statst propaganda. Do you honestly expect me to be a happy, willing part of a community that calls me a fascist and tried to take away my bodily autonomy? In the eyes and experience of many 'the group", the community, has been used as a cudgel to legitimize force against them all their life. Statism seems to me to be the larger, more reasonable factor in explaining the psychological phenom. you refer to than anything to do with anarchism itself.@@dirmilj
Laws and rights arise naturally from a community of people with shared values, as common-sense and best practice get codified. If you somehow deny the ability of the community to create their preferred laws, you end up with a society dominated by thugs, con-artists, corruption and mafia - a society unable to provide the honest transparent free-market environment libertarians idolize. The rule of law, enforced contract rights and anti-corruption practices and norms that Libertarians implicitly require can only be provided by a society and culture with strong legal and ethical standards and values - the type of society many libertarians nihilistically reject. I do not want to tar all libertarians this way, but some seem quite sociopathic.
@@tobykelsey4459 your answer shows your ignorance. Libertarianism does not 'presuppose' these ideas or legal norms, IT IS THE BASIS FOR THOSE NORMS, it makes them EXPLICIT. Libertarianism is a THEORY OF LAW, an ETHICAL theory
@tobykelsey4459 Libertarianism is hyper-liberal, if you will. It's hyper-English Enlightenment in the American context, firmly grounded in Locke and de Toqueville. They can't seem to understand that the formation of their philosophy is of the mercantilistic variety, emphasizing indivuality primarily as it pertains to its state as an economic actor and unit of lawful, political representation. It's no surprise that its presuppositions result in hyper-individualistic thought and action because it, as a theory of law and economy, leaves little to no in-built room for the spiritual man to thrive, as a default standard. Nor does it leave much room for emphasis on the local, the family, and the community collective, which is the basis for all ethics and their consequences. They de-emphasize the human to make room for the enshrinement of the rational and logical machine that we can be. De-atomization is inevitable, unless the libertarian has a theory of or understanding of irrational, violence-prone human thriving. They become slaves to the NAP this way, by not acknowledging the necessity, dynamics, and messiness of power or of force between human coalitions, and what natural purpose they serve.
Excellent interview. I was waiting for Rectenwald to integrate Gottfried's work into his own analysis - for anyone trying to understand wokeness and power in our current political system, it is essential. Also, the two make the perfect bridge between libertarianism and paleo-conservatism and showcases how an alliance is very possible.
Paul Gottfried himself once even said he's strategically a radical libertarian
Excellent conversation. 😎😎🙏🙏
Great 😊 Been waiting for your next podcast. Love them!
Paul Gottfried is not an idiot ,despite what Jim said.
Paul Gottfried >>>>>>>>>> James Lindsay.
I don't think of the Nazis as nihilist. In fact, I think of them having a strong ideology based in part on Darwinism and progressivism/socialism, mixed with fascism and traditional German nationalism. Of course also racism. To me, nihilism is thinking that no values matter or you can choose any value because values per se are all that same.
I just finished book VIII of Plato's Republic and it is depressingly accurate on cities fall into decay.
Just curious what your main takeaways were from this book. I plan on reading it. What are the biggest factors leading to decay?
@@JD-os2kr It's when people look to enrich themselves and seek pleasures at the expense of others. No one wants to watch something grow, do not enjoy the creativity of others, or feel apart of something. It's all about me. No one is nice, he or she is just trying to get one past you.
@@jasoncopin thank you kindly!
Please tell sign-off music artist and song.
Great interview, not missing Joseph cotto, all due respect. That show made Paul look silly. Thanks Paul.
Great chat. But it's really astonishing how incapable most are at seperating the red/blue lens from anything they view. They can't think or discuss anything without any reference to it.
Which thinks better? The bull with the red nose-ring ?or the bull with the blue nose-ring? Today's expert not only ignores how this tethers you and removes independent thinking. But they will also spend hours telling you how pretty it is. Lol
Indeed, I see that so much. For me both wings belong to the same bird, tyranny.
Tho Bishop would (rightly) disagree with you.
Great stuff here. Love the content!
I don't think there will be a cracked on "wokism" and black crying. My example is South Africa.
All sides of govts funded/fed by same sources. Good world reports show corporations hold more financial (and Geo political) power then countries. Sides creates/feeds division and they know like sleep most will change sides eventually. New govt blames prev. And so the cycle goes.
All Non-rothbardians, all non-anarchists I have ever heard make the same mistake. I know what community is, and I value it. I agree thay community is a foundation of society. I just don't believe you should base your concept of law or right around that community. The community does not exist without the individuals making up the community through their relations and relationships, so it is not the correct place to stop your analysis.
Yet every time, statists claim that anarchists are atomizing hyper-individualists
All anarcho-capitalists I was hanging out with 10 years ago, myself inlcuded, were social atomistst, even if unwittingly by their presuppositions about society and priorities in life. Execeptions are possible, but it is really up to the libertarian anarchist movement to embody this if they want to loose the lable. Many people at the Mises institute are infact exceptions, but I don't find the same to be the case among your average grass-roots.
And why would you lay the blame for this at the feet of 'anarchism"? It is very clear to me that most of that atomization is caused basically by brainwashing and statst propaganda.
Do you honestly expect me to be a happy, willing part of a community that calls me a fascist and tried to take away my bodily autonomy? In the eyes and experience of many 'the group", the community, has been used as a cudgel to legitimize force against them all their life.
Statism seems to me to be the larger, more reasonable factor in explaining the psychological phenom. you refer to than anything to do with anarchism itself.@@dirmilj
Laws and rights arise naturally from a community of people with shared values, as common-sense and best practice get codified. If you somehow deny the ability of the community to create their preferred laws, you end up with a society dominated by thugs, con-artists, corruption and mafia - a society unable to provide the honest transparent free-market environment libertarians idolize. The rule of law, enforced contract rights and anti-corruption practices and norms that Libertarians implicitly require can only be provided by a society and culture with strong legal and ethical standards and values - the type of society many libertarians nihilistically reject. I do not want to tar all libertarians this way, but some seem quite sociopathic.
@@tobykelsey4459 your answer shows your ignorance. Libertarianism does not 'presuppose' these ideas or legal norms, IT IS THE BASIS FOR THOSE NORMS, it makes them EXPLICIT. Libertarianism is a THEORY OF LAW, an ETHICAL theory
@tobykelsey4459 Libertarianism is hyper-liberal, if you will. It's hyper-English Enlightenment in the American context, firmly grounded in Locke and de Toqueville. They can't seem to understand that the formation of their philosophy is of the mercantilistic variety, emphasizing indivuality primarily as it pertains to its state as an economic actor and unit of lawful, political representation.
It's no surprise that its presuppositions result in hyper-individualistic thought and action because it, as a theory of law and economy, leaves little to no in-built room for the spiritual man to thrive, as a default standard. Nor does it leave much room for emphasis on the local, the family, and the community collective, which is the basis for all ethics and their consequences.
They de-emphasize the human to make room for the enshrinement of the rational and logical machine that we can be. De-atomization is inevitable, unless the libertarian has a theory of or understanding of irrational, violence-prone human thriving. They become slaves to the NAP this way, by not acknowledging the necessity, dynamics, and messiness of power or of force between human coalitions, and what natural purpose they serve.