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  • @kalebarancelovic
    @kalebarancelovic 21 день тому +59

    Contracts obviously have a different meaning in the AFL than they do in the rest of society.

    • @paulmatters2641
      @paulmatters2641 21 день тому

      What the fug are you talking about? These are EMPLOYMENT contracts. Indentured labour and slavery went out of fashion some time ago champ.

    • @himalayanhealthhut6656
      @himalayanhealthhut6656 21 день тому +7

      Clubs are pathetic and weak. Stand firm, refuse the player’s trade request and tell them they can get on with their job or sulk in the twos for three years. Harden the fk up and take a stand.

    • @newtonheathfan3745
      @newtonheathfan3745 21 день тому +3

      ​@@himalayanhealthhut6656yeah good luck with that....

    • @paulmatters2641
      @paulmatters2641 21 день тому +1

      @@himalayanhealthhut6656 You obviously never heardof restraint of trade. A player has a legal right to beak a contract. If this was ever tested in a court the AFL would lose and they know it. It is about the right of an EMPLOYEE toply his or her trade. There is no such thing as player power. Stop the BS

    • @danieljoyce4015
      @danieljoyce4015 21 день тому +1

      It’s becoming like the NBA which isn’t a good thing

  • @gnp707
    @gnp707 21 день тому +19

    What damo said at the start is exactly why Yze has the hardest job in football and needs time.

    • @cuzzywuzzyfuzzy
      @cuzzywuzzyfuzzy 21 день тому +7

      Probably needed another 1-2 years from Hardwick starting the rebuild so a new coach doesn’t get left like this. What can yze do right now until the dust settles

    • @skillsmachine9164
      @skillsmachine9164 21 день тому +3

      Cant believe they are still ripping taranto. Hopper was a terrible trade in and is way over paid but taranto won the bnf in his first yr at a new club and has been injured a lot this year. Saying "what a disappointment hes been" is crazy lordo. Taranto is in his right to asked to be traded again the way hes been done dirty. And im a dees supporter. He got promisee the world now look at them

  • @zanderballis5767
    @zanderballis5767 21 день тому +40

    First time Sam McClure hasn’t been insufferable

  • @triumphantgaming1557
    @triumphantgaming1557 21 день тому +14

    I think it’s absolutely ridiculous the heat that has been put on us this year. As a Richmond fan I want to win every week but I also understand that we had a era of dominance 3 flags in 4 years and this was coming it always does when you are up at the top for so long. I would rather have what we had then say a Geelong because yes Chris Scott is clearly a great coach but minority of the time Geelong as just there making up the numbers every year apart from 2022. It was hard to blood youngsters and hard to get good draft picks in the last 7 years. The media need to give it a spell 😂 if we are still rubbish in 3/4 years time fair enough. Isn’t this the whole point of the draft system though? So no 1 team can stay at the top forever? I can die happy saying I saw my team win 3 grand finals out of 3 we made and that I saw the greatest ever finals player to ever exist.

    • @TMoney76
      @TMoney76 21 день тому +3

      You’re 💯 correct. Comparing us to a fledgling Gold Coast with top end draft picks is insulting from Lloyd.

    • @kellywatts6227
      @kellywatts6227 21 день тому +3

      Totally agree with both comments sometimes Lloyd is an absolute dimbat, when he gets it right he gets it right but when he just throws ridiculous statements around he gets it so so so wrong! As for the Tiges give us a few yrs then have a dig, the scale of injuries was on a level like no other for poor Yze and add seniors with their heads out the door already we can only go up from here at least.

    • @AJK-zi5fo
      @AJK-zi5fo 21 день тому +1

      Geelong fan here. I disagree with your assessment on The Cats to an extent. Four premierships since 2007 from 6 grand finals, multiple prelims and only missing finals twice. That’s a whole lot of joy over a very long period with minimal disappointment. Yes, Richmond was great during their premiership years, and as a footy fan I loved watching the Tiges during that era, but it’s hard to argue that they’ve been mostly terrible since 1981. I’d rather Geelong’s record anytime, but each to their own. 👍

  • @JustinSteele-gd5nu
    @JustinSteele-gd5nu 21 день тому +53

    Why is our sporting code the only one in the world we hear players wanna go home, their homesick and all this nonsense, other codes players seem to live internationally just fine. I'm a freo fan also, it's just become a joke.

    • @Mrpatoshoes
      @Mrpatoshoes 21 день тому +15

      cause other sports players make enough to move there entire family across the state/world with them, if afl player where paid millions a year then sure but when there on 500k contract they dont see it as enough money to move away.

    • @anthonyd4771
      @anthonyd4771 21 день тому +5

      ​@@Mrpatoshoesalso the qantas monopoly makes it hard to connect with family interstate

    • @StuTheDon17
      @StuTheDon17 21 день тому +5

      Not entirely true.
      There's been 1000's of soccer players over the last few decades who move back to their home country to play.

    • @JustinSteele-gd5nu
      @JustinSteele-gd5nu 21 день тому +8

      Name me one player in their 20s that went back to their home country due to home sickness. Ill be waiting, I'm not talking soccer players who go home to play to finish of their career's, I'm talking players in their 20s, most international soccer plays leave home in their early teens and mive to different countries

    • @OldmanGamer9999
      @OldmanGamer9999 21 день тому

      It’s the VFL, media confirm it, they complain only when it happens to the Vics.

  • @danieljoyce4015
    @danieljoyce4015 21 день тому +21

    Going home to Geelong from Melbourne is ridiculous lol

    • @gustaaf1892
      @gustaaf1892 21 день тому +6

      The jetlag is a killer and not conducive to optimum athletic performance.

    • @adamlouis3725
      @adamlouis3725 15 днів тому

      west coast teams man on hips looking disappointed meme

  • @_..Justin-Case.._
    @_..Justin-Case.._ 21 день тому +11

    Richmond are going to have an absolute war chest soon surely with all these retirements and trades.

    • @kovaci0000007
      @kovaci0000007 21 день тому +1

      Who will want to go to a team that will be re-building for the next 5 years?

    • @_..Justin-Case.._
      @_..Justin-Case.._ 21 день тому +1

      @@kovaci0000007 idk, I’m not saying they’ll do anything with it but they’ll have it regardless.

    • @dermottcolee145
      @dermottcolee145 21 день тому

      @@_..Justin-Case.._ war chestb with no one to spend it on, plenty of teams are going to have more cap in the next few years.

  • @mives02
    @mives02 21 день тому +4

    Richmond played 42 players this year. Only West Coast during COVID used more.

  • @tm866
    @tm866 21 день тому +9

    Damo has never said anything positive in his life

  • @Tosicc567
    @Tosicc567 21 день тому +3

    Id be excited as if I was a tigers fan, getting potentially 4-5 first round picks in trades in a super deep midfielder draft. Fast track a rebuild before tassy comes in easily. Bolten has been a massive miss, Baker is a gun but if he wants out get as much as you can for him

  • @mrtommipham3571
    @mrtommipham3571 21 день тому +8

    Thx NINE. Saw McSmug turned off. Save 10mins of my life.

  • @jackbirch6816
    @jackbirch6816 21 день тому +3

    Happy to use the injury excuse with the tigers but when the Eagles were ravaged it was the coaches fault

  • @aenohesa9997
    @aenohesa9997 21 день тому +2

    don't offer long term contracts...simple. instead of signing a player for 7 yrs and they want out after 3 - offer 3 yrs with options to extend ( player would need to honest at end of second year - and tell club their intentions to leave or have a further discussion on extension ) There has to be a middle ground some how. I don't think it's fair on the player to have so much power, but on the flip side - the NFL, NBA type of thing where a club can just ship you off to another club of their choosing is not a fair outcome either.

  • @edmonguy
    @edmonguy 21 день тому +4

    The "go home" phenomena in the AFL is so bizarre. I'm not from Australia, so I don't even understand how it got to the point it's at. A contract is a contract, the end. While they're at it, something has to be done about how teams go and talk to players on other teams about defecting and joining them. They have a contract! That's tampering in any other sports league in the world, and if it's done anywhere else, the league punishes the crap out of it - invalidates contracts, takes away draft privileges, enormous fines. If you're on Club A, stick to your lane and don't be talking to anyone from Club B. But in the AFL, it's completely lawless. I'm gonna go negotiate a new deal with a player you just signed for six years, he's going to cry about being too far away from mommy, and everyone's going to carry on without ever calling out the corruption. It's a horrible look on the sport.

    • @jeremybean-hodges6397
      @jeremybean-hodges6397 21 день тому

      Part of it is because players are not automatically free agents at the end of a contract.

    • @jimmybreen9133
      @jimmybreen9133 21 день тому

      I have a contract at my work, but if someone offers me something better I can resign and take up a job somewhere else. I don't see you would think this an issue for footballers. CEOs and business leaders usually have terms and long-term contracts for their role, and through mutual agreement they get pay-outs and move to lead different companies all the time. I get that people have a emotional investment in their football club (and I'd advocate for some sort of financial penalty on the player's next contract if they're breaking their current one) but you can't stop someone wanting to move. This is a reality in all walks of life.

    • @edmonguy
      @edmonguy 21 день тому

      By any measure I can think of, players are free agents from the moment they're drafted. They say whether they're going to stay or go, they say where they're going to go, and they get to negotiate services despite their services being under contract to someone else. There's not many sports leagues in the world where I feel sorry for the owners, but teams just don't have any control of their fate in the AFL. And don't even get me started on the father-son nonsense.

    • @jeremybean-hodges6397
      @jeremybean-hodges6397 21 день тому

      @@edmonguy huh? That's not true.
      Petracca would leave tomorrow if he could, for a start.

    • @edmonguy
      @edmonguy 21 день тому

      Petracca is not going to be at Melbourne next year; no chance. If he needs some tips, he should phone Jason Horne-Francis. Or maybe just watch Harley Reid surf back to Victoria on a wave of "my birthday was so sad so far away from home" tears. All I'm saying is, this crap does not happen in any other sport. Full-grown adult men act like men, not toddlers. You're drafted, the club has control of you for at least 5 years followed by restricted control, nobody is allowed to talk/bribe you into leaving, and if you don't like it, your option is retiring. It allows bottom teams to compete and keeps leagues fair. Some days, I wonder why even have a draft in the AFL; just let teams go offer whatever they want to whoever they want and enforce a salary cap. At least then, it's above-board and honest.

  • @jakecampbell3335
    @jakecampbell3335 21 день тому +3

    Matthew is rarely wrong and has very good insight

    • @mvwmark8955
      @mvwmark8955 20 днів тому +2

      But definitely off the "mark" with his Taranto comments.

  • @johnmcdonald8943
    @johnmcdonald8943 21 день тому +2

    Young / draft players, maybe the clubs should ask them if we select them, will they seek to go home after a year or two.

  • @user-cx9gq2ud6t
    @user-cx9gq2ud6t 21 день тому +1

    Yes, clubs should be able to trade players whenever they want to

  • @AJHornet1
    @AJHornet1 21 день тому +1

    Having kids with no family support can be completely overwhelming. It is a joke that businesses think they own people, and we have fans backing that idea.

    • @adamlouis3725
      @adamlouis3725 15 днів тому

      its amazing how many people are sticking up for these millionaire clubs trying to own 18 year olds. its really creepy

  • @cjames21
    @cjames21 20 днів тому +1

    Surely the next cba should allow player in top 25% of earner to be traded without consent…even up the power a bit. I’m against just sending the bottom half or earners being traded without consent

    • @dojoh98
      @dojoh98 17 днів тому

      Weirdly don't hate this. Interesting starting point

  • @ryanandmelissabrooks5013
    @ryanandmelissabrooks5013 21 день тому +2

    love watching Sam Mclure. best in the biz

    • @pirocan1
      @pirocan1 20 днів тому

      lol nice bait

    • @mvwmark8955
      @mvwmark8955 20 днів тому +2

      must be a wind up

    • @bloodshot3697
      @bloodshot3697 18 днів тому +1

      Harley Reid thinks he is the best in the biz too

  • @dylanparsons9713
    @dylanparsons9713 21 день тому +3

    It’s fine when a player wants to go home back to a vic club. When it’s the other way around there’s a massive problem and the players have too much pOwEr

  • @DunningKrugerJnr
    @DunningKrugerJnr 16 днів тому

    I don’t remember any of these questions being asked when 5 of Brisbane’s youngsters wanted to leave for Melbourne…what the difference?

  • @DylanFoster87
    @DylanFoster87 21 день тому +1

    Great chance for us ( Richmond ) to get a tonne of picks and load up with kids.

  • @Rowsy91
    @Rowsy91 21 день тому +1

    Is this a normal part of Aussie sports?
    You don’t really see too many guys jus request trades in North America for being home sick. And it likely wouldn’t be just listened to either if there was no good trade value out there for the player
    Seems here if guys ask out they usually get it?

    • @dojoh98
      @dojoh98 17 днів тому

      there is a difference between $400k contracts and $40M contracts, though. I imagine if AFL players were getting even $5M/year this would be far less of a thing. Clubs often force players out against their will, too. Look after yourself in your job is what I'd say, kudos to the player who ask for what they want imo

    • @adamlouis3725
      @adamlouis3725 15 днів тому +1

      is athletes putting their personal lives ahead of their job really that baffling?

  • @hunta.gatherer
    @hunta.gatherer 21 день тому +6

    It's only a problem now players are leaving Victoria any other state it don't matter typical Victorian media

    • @ruckus1142
      @ruckus1142 21 день тому

      Name them then, I can name just as many interstate players that leave Melbourne clubs to go home.

    • @hunta.gatherer
      @hunta.gatherer 21 день тому

      @ruckus1142 that's my point dumbo

  • @chrisrex9086
    @chrisrex9086 16 днів тому

    trac I am with him 5 months broken bones lost 25kg. 😢 my friends left me .. now all good

  • @tomcustard
    @tomcustard 21 день тому +5

    Rats leaving HMS Richmond

  • @tomhealey8944
    @tomhealey8944 21 день тому +1

    Ollie henry on the go home list is laughable

  • @TedBear1954
    @TedBear1954 21 день тому

    So - clubs wont be able to trade contracted players?

  • @samysull333
    @samysull333 21 день тому +1

    hope they bring up the injuries. not a good enough excuse for winning the wooden spoon. that is genuinely pathetic from our group of players and coaches but even if we did go at 100% each week and each of our players played as good as they could, the injuries would've ruined us. as shown by a lot of games when we had less injuries and played at 100% i.e sydney game...

  • @macdouglas1087
    @macdouglas1087 21 день тому +4

    Damo just likes to put cream on everything

  • @jsequine927
    @jsequine927 20 днів тому

    Do none of the leaders at Melbourne have a relationship with Trac, were none of them reaching out to him and checking in…?

  • @nuts2559
    @nuts2559 21 день тому

    the best players should be signing a one year contract only. If their current club does not agree, plenty of others will & they could demand more money if form warrants it. Eliminates any contract issues totally.

  • @chrispetritsch1291
    @chrispetritsch1291 21 день тому +2

    'Me missus wants to go home. i better try 'n break me contract.' Simp!

  • @bloodshot3697
    @bloodshot3697 18 днів тому

    I think West Coast need to do a raid on Richmond, Get Bolton, Baker & Graham for pick 23 and future 2nd rounder.

  • @bradleylloyd1018
    @bradleylloyd1018 21 день тому

    One day all of the best players will play for the same team chasing flags

  • @kezp8114
    @kezp8114 21 день тому +17

    Richmond have 100,000 members yet 47 turn up on a Sunday arvo... Them and Melbourne in a race for the weakest supporters

    • @paulkyriakopoulos3444
      @paulkyriakopoulos3444 21 день тому +3

      Correct 100%bro. That's the tigers fans the most fair weather supporters in the land. 😊

    • @jeffwhellum
      @jeffwhellum 21 день тому

      Richmond supporters are given the number for lifeline with every membership.. been like this since mid 90’s lol😂

    • @mylarus
      @mylarus 21 день тому +3

      Love the Richmond haters. There was nothing worse than when people pitied us.

    • @kezp8114
      @kezp8114 21 день тому +1

      @@mylarus I pity them now

    • @mylarus
      @mylarus 21 день тому +2

      @@kezp8114 really? When we have 3 recent flags to rewatch. You must support a team that’s won one in a while.

  • @user-zy6pe1yb8c
    @user-zy6pe1yb8c 10 днів тому

    Should see how harsh the contracts are in the nfl and the nba. Here they are too leninat with contracts. Anyone or anyclub that has had to deal with a contract break is not right on the club or the fans. If you sign a contract you should know and follow exactly what that contract entails if you dont agree with it then dont frickan sign it. The financial consequences should be huge as well

  • @user-vz5cq7ey2c
    @user-vz5cq7ey2c 21 день тому

    This is what people outside Victoria hate about victorians in the AFL. Richmond is bottom of the ladder, likely 2 wins compared to West Coast's 3 wins last year. Yet excuses and concerns for the Tigers and still talking about West Coast as the worst team and critical remarks.

  • @cola-z9219
    @cola-z9219 21 день тому

    Until you get injured in sport you don’t realise how much it’s team>squad. If you aren’t in the team you’re a supporter. You don’t keep in touch with injured players as they aren’t at training every day, they aren’t in the change rooms on game day. They aren’t in the team and as a result you lose contact.

    • @dhenderson1810
      @dhenderson1810 21 день тому

      Also, he might be struggling with his mental health and doesn't want everyone knowing about it.
      Not everything is everyone else's business. Stop being nosey.

  • @georgecav
    @georgecav 21 день тому

    Dee's forward line connection in general is the problem. Better system not key forward needed. Max King hasn't made his team winners

  • @TheEnvelopeOZ
    @TheEnvelopeOZ 21 день тому

    Norm Smith curse continues:
    "It will be many, many years before Melbourne will play in the finals again, let alone become a force. And it will be a long, long time before Melbourne wins another premiership."

  • @andredecock8361
    @andredecock8361 21 день тому

    If a player is under contract and requests a trade the club has the right to refuse and then if the player ops to sit out then they should be fined for each compulsory team meeting, training or game missed. Just like the NFL

    • @dhenderson1810
      @dhenderson1810 21 день тому

      So the clubs will then not restrict a player once out of contract and let him leave?
      Also, the clubs shouldn't try to get contracted players from other clubs then, either.

    • @andredecock8361
      @andredecock8361 21 день тому +1

      @@dhenderson1810 yeah if they are a free agent. And I agrees unless the player is in the last year of a contract

  • @jsequine927
    @jsequine927 20 днів тому

    Melbourne should be going hard after Lucocius and Caleb Daniel. Their forward line and skill with ball in hand is poor.

  • @jeremybean-hodges6397
    @jeremybean-hodges6397 21 день тому

    No, it hasn't gone too far - the clubs need to learn to say no.
    Worked out fine for Sydney (Papley), and Geelong (Kelly).

    • @dhenderson1810
      @dhenderson1810 21 день тому

      Worked out great for Geelong.
      Bent over WCE for three picks, then used two of them the next year to get Jeremy Cameron from the Giants.

    • @jeremybean-hodges6397
      @jeremybean-hodges6397 21 день тому

      @@dhenderson1810 Precisely

  • @mvwmark8955
    @mvwmark8955 18 днів тому

    What IS that hairdo, Sam? What do you sit down and ask for? Just cannot work it out. Its like a wet janitors mop thats been flippin back, then given the ends a trim.
    “Yeah, can have the flipped back jannys mop with a trim , please.”

  • @mr.madventures
    @mr.madventures 21 день тому

    A contract is a contract isn't it? Good or bad, you're part of the team you sign yourself to? Also, why should the new club a player goes to help flip the bill for a unfulfilled contract? Maybe stop offering the big long term contracts.

    • @dhenderson1810
      @dhenderson1810 21 день тому

      Firstly, has your club got contracted players from other clubs?
      Secondly, has your club sacked your coach while still under contract?
      Should work both ways, meaning clubs can't trade for players or sack coaches.

  • @robdowsing3361
    @robdowsing3361 21 день тому

    There should be no long team contracts Players have total control now a days

    • @dhenderson1810
      @dhenderson1810 21 день тому

      Maybe clubs should honor coaching contracts.

  • @lukemate2783
    @lukemate2783 21 день тому

    Should be like NFL where you can be traded anywhere. Comes with the job

  • @chrisrex9086
    @chrisrex9086 16 днів тому

    crows are also free falling

  • @vibraphoneification
    @vibraphoneification 21 день тому

    as soon as vic cubs being targeted that's when things have gone too far, pathetic

  • @waynemurphy2825
    @waynemurphy2825 21 день тому

    It’s laughable these media gurus put their head in the sand and ignore that’s it’s the afl rules and culture that create this, long term contracts are to keep leverage so they get adequate compensation, coaches and clubs can’t say they are rebuilding because everyone loses it, why cannot people see this is the system that creates it, why finish 9th and get pick 10 when you can get a pick in the top couple and get a quality player, either change the system or accept the model does my head in how we just dance around the issue, like player power if team wants to move you like the NBA so be it, it’s a privilege not a right to play, then don’t get me started on the Geelong and Sydney model, these two teams have won one flag since 2012 , one flag in 25 years, you can’t have a dynasty with this model, but full respect to them how they stay relevant from a business point of view but that aight equalling premiership clubs at the end of the day

  • @acadacs
    @acadacs 21 день тому

    dare i say it... sam is actually getting less hateable

  • @markmcdonald9260
    @markmcdonald9260 21 день тому

    Alright for you Matthew LLoyd you played where your family was. Seriously for an 18 year old it is a big step moving away from family.. Luke Jackson was not on their list as well.

  • @jlrob85
    @jlrob85 21 день тому

    Players need to stay at the first club that drafts them for 5 years initially. CNS do whatever after

    • @dhenderson1810
      @dhenderson1810 21 день тому

      Then you need to keep your coach for five years, no matter what.
      A contract is a contract.

  • @cjames21
    @cjames21 20 днів тому

    Sign contract do what they want is the player mantra!

  • @OldmanGamer9999
    @OldmanGamer9999 21 день тому

    Amusing the VFL media are outraged now while championing it when players left non Victorians to go back to Victoria.
    One day we will get a national media for our national comp of our national game. One day.

    • @dansharp2860
      @dansharp2860 21 день тому +1

      One day the interstaters will stop being a bunch of sooks on every single AFL related video. One day.

  • @brettduffin8412
    @brettduffin8412 20 днів тому

    Staggered, stunned, shocked. Stop it with the ridiculous clickbait words.

  • @patkelly6349
    @patkelly6349 21 день тому

    Not Mclure again

  • @Darfaultner
    @Darfaultner 19 днів тому

    Imagine humans getting to live where they want.

  • @brendenmcmillan8937
    @brendenmcmillan8937 21 день тому

    Sign a contract then honour the contract

  • @gaidin
    @gaidin 21 день тому +7

    Hardwick is one of the most unethical people in modern day football....he used that club and then destroyed it on his way out. I don't get how he can sleep at night....

    • @reubenhjk1641
      @reubenhjk1641 21 день тому

      That makes absolutely no sense you clearly have half a brain

    • @worker-wf2em
      @worker-wf2em 21 день тому +1

      With anyone other than his wife. Further to your point on what a pos he is

    • @grimsby2185
      @grimsby2185 21 день тому +3

      Don't forget Mrs Hardwick....

    • @noisysquid3784
      @noisysquid3784 21 день тому +1

      I think he’s sleeping pretty well with three premiership medals around his neck

    • @grimsby2185
      @grimsby2185 21 день тому +2

      Yeah, I dunno, I just don't think you can count 2020 haha.

  • @john-iy9hy
    @john-iy9hy 21 день тому

    coaches should not be able to talk to contracted players i bet you any money hardwick was talking poaching rioli a required player while under contract....shia is a required player but for family reasons i would let him go
    Dion , baker , jack let them go they average players they always turn over the ball......Kamdyn McIntosh, Noah Cumberland, are gone as well....

  • @normally9210
    @normally9210 21 день тому +3

    Get more woman in there 😂

    • @crazychips123
      @crazychips123 21 день тому +4

      Sam use to have a pony tail so that use to cut it

  • @DunningKrugerJnr
    @DunningKrugerJnr 16 днів тому

    Lloydy always sounds like he has a mouth full of saliva when he talks…are the new enamels too big?