UNSC FLEET vs COVENANT BATTLE GROUP! - Epic Battle!- Space Engineers!
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2018
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Considering what people say and what makes sense in lore, about 3:1 so for 3 ships you need 9 unsc ships, now, please upvote this comment so they can see, the UNSC won with really intense tactics, so strategy can win the fight, the UNSC would stay out if range and pound the ships to get the shields, the same goes for SE, maybe consider destroying shields from a distance. No head on combat. Soooooo Try to flank the rear while approaching, and take out the shields from behind and out of range in order to survive and maintain menuverability, once shields are down approach the two escorts with each half of the fleet, overwhelm them and take them out or disable, all while staying out of range of the CAS, once the escort Cruisers are desteoyed, engage the CAS and unload all available and surviving macs, the only reason to approach the Covenant ships is to put those missles in range which can tear them up when shields are down. Just like this video, one or two frigates should remain out of range and fire mac cannons and engage as a last resort when needed. Please comment on this plan and upvote to see if this works in the next video
I wouldnt suggest using frigates as escorts since there are no fighters to defend against, the cruisers should use there ships larger armor to defend the frigates firepower, if the ships will be chewed up by the lasers, let them chew up armor instead of chewing up the entire frigates first.
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Aspiring Marauder yeah 9 seems its not enough, but i am curious to see how much better they can do with a strategic plan like that, if the plan doesnt work then yeah many more ships, also in SE the less ships the better since the game is still iffy about that many ships
That’s a lot of typing... still tactics don’t matter as long as you burn the xenos!!!!
What would be the fun in staying out of range and destroying a ship in SE, some fights that are not one sided would be fun (this comment is about the vid not general SE)
Mean while on the covenant ship "Sir, the human ships out number us three to one"" Then it is a fair fight".
Agent 256 ehh the quote was referring to brute ships. Not human ones. Close enough.
Aspiring Marauder "burn their mongrel hides."
James Collins yeah but human ships needed a 3/1 ratio to battle the covenant on average.
On the brute vs elite side was because the elites had the bigger ships while the brutes had the numbers.
Both fleets were CCS and CAS, the Shadow of Intent being the only CAS in possesion of the Arbiter and the brute fleet had at least 2 of them
It is just that Elites are war masters trained from the day they can walk and that Elite admirals are legendary tacticians respected by even AIs, also Cortana tweaked the Elite fleet weaponry to render it more effective (why hasn't it be done before you ask? That's heresy to the San'Shyum)
Agent 256 “lets burn their mongrel hides”
"For a brick, He flew pretty good!"
Dear humanity we regret being alien Bastards. We regret coming to Earth and we most definitely regret that the Corps blew up our Raggedy Ass Fleet!
What about this for an idea? Get 15 people together and give everyone 30 mins to build some sort of ship to do a free-for-all battle in 3 rounds, first round is the first 5 to be destroyed, same for round 2, round 3 has the remaining 5 contestants and the remaining survivor is the winner (survivors can repair ships at the end of rounds 1 and 2, will be a creative battle as 30 mins in survival would just be unrealistic)
Awesome idea!
In the lore the covenant had superior precision slipspace while the UNSC had superior range. I would propose UNSC sit at range and pound em with mac cannons. There really isn't any reason for CQB. The Covenant however, their onus is to get in close. They are allowed to use hyperspace, while the UNSC aren't.
Can't really use jump drives like that in Space Engineers though, right? Except maybe some mod? I mean the typical engagement range in SE is a bit small even with my MAC mod
Balee Tong The UNSC also knew when they engaged the covenant, it often required 10 to 1 in ships to overcome the covenant, but 7 to one probably would be fair.
unfortunately, the Covenant did have ships that can outrange basically everything the UNSC had, the only example we have of it is in the Fall of Reach novel, During the battle of Reach, a massive covenant ship was sniping the ODP the were orbiting reach from outside the killzone (around 100,000 km).
It's odd to think that coilguns would have superior effective ranges than lasers/plasma weapons, but then again, as Cortana pointed out, Covenant weapons are highly inefficient and waste a lot of power. Human weapons are little more honed and precise.
From an engineering perspective electromagnetic have a near and far field effect. The characteristic of a emf output is dependent on it's waveguide. From the lore, the Covenant copies, but do not create. So whatever design they obtained, sticks. And the way i see it, nothing beats some good old blunt force trauma.
I Remember When you first came in and all the macs fired on me i literally screamed "OH GOD WHY!!" Ps. I was the left pink ship :)
UNSC tactics: Gank the nearest Covie ship with your best guns
MrEvan312 then get ripped up by their superior technology
Sounds about right.
Awsome
Imagine if the UNSC INFINITY was there and fire at you. One shot kill
This is a pretty accurate battle tbh
Not really. They wouldn't come in close and bumrush. UNSC ships often engaged from range
Gabo Gonzalez The covenant had superior numbers and tech.
You know this video is pretty damn accurate. The UNSC barely stood a chance in space
I love how these ships are just giant guns, with the ships built afterwards.
I cant up vote this enough....wish I had friends to do this with
WardenXgaming then let's have a battle! I'm roxedboxer on steam if you wanna hit me up.
milkbox would be up for it too lol.
Flame Shu i'm up for it
Im WardenX on steam
hit me up...would love to do a RP series halo inspired.
I would just like to have this sort of battles, spawn ships in and fight.
Would it work on PC hosted server?
2:59 "This is the UNSC Savanna we are sustaining heavy damage requesting permission to break off" "UNSC Savanna break off! break off!" "Breaking- *transmission lost*" (don't know if that was how it went, i was going off of memory and haven't play halo reach in a long time)
That's mostly correct
Rip savanna
The last part is "hull breach, reactors flaring! Damnit I'm losing her!
You now how to make amazing space battles jack
This is an accurate representation of UNSC ships vs Covenant Battlecruisers and Supercarriers.
I like how this is accurate to the lore to how a space battle was an absolute nightmare to the UNSC Navy despite having superior numbers and such and how tough Covenant shields were being able to shrug off hundreds of Archer missiles and 50mm rounds as if nothing.
Usually the UNSC had to have a 5:1 ratio to have any chance of taking down a Covenant ship, and that was for their cruisers. Carriers had to have nearly 9:1 to stand any chance in hell of doing any lasting damage to one of those.
Giomacs you bring up excellent points, however in those situations unconventional tactics had to be employed to even the odds due to a huge lack in resources and they had individuals gifted in unconventional tactics present in all those situations. With Operation Uppercut sacrificing one of the few remaining frigates slip-space drives as a make-shift bomb that was activated on a boarded corvette that literally ripped the covenant carrier in half. With the missing piece being thrown some where into oblivion. And the Spirit of Fire not only sacrificing it's drive to destroy one shield world that was a Forerunner shipyard, but also having Spartan Jerome boarding the carrier above the Ark to have the AI Isabelle activate it's main plasma glass beam weapon to provoke the Forerunner defense probes to engage and destroy the carrier. Now here are the reasons why I had stated those ratios, and I'm sure you can see where I'm coming.
Covenant ships had a total of 3-5 offensive weaponry that was on all their ships. Starting with long range was the particle beam lance/cannon, much like the particle sniper rifle you see in Halo 2-3 they are high damage output. But they take time to cool off and charge for another shot, and this weapon is actually seen in Halo 2 briefly on a cruiser tearing open of the UNSC's cruisers that pass over in it's line of fire. It's also made mention in a book, The Fall of Reach I believe, in one engagement involving Keyes. Second, and one of the most effective weapons, the plasma torpedoes. Guided balls of ionized super-heated gas that weren't very fast, but were devastating and hard to shield against. Intercepting them with missiles was useless since the warheads were more then likely detonated prematurely due to intense heat. In another book they had to sacrifice an entire station to shield the UNSC defense fleet so they could have another chance to fire their MAC's a second time in staggered sequence to have any chance to cripple the covenant baring down on them. Next would be plasma cannons, they would just fire the equivalent of torpedoes without the guidance. However the rounds were faster, but were also limited in range. Example of this weapon is seen in Halo Reach, the broadside weapons of the corvette were one form of this weapon. Great for mid-short range, and had decent fire rate. Next in line would be the short range particle beam turrets, an example would be Halo Legends with the Package. Their construction is similar to the particle lance, but don't output nearly the power, so they lack the range. Great for screening against fighters, the only reason they stopped firing in the movie was their own fighters had been launched. So they more then likely opted to avoid friendly fire as much as possible. Next would be the plasma repeater turrets, and going back to Halo Reach. On the corvette when engaging, there were a number of these small short range weapon emplacements that would engage fighter craft that got too close. Similar to the Covenant's troop heavy weapon stand or the light plasma repeater machine gun that is encountered in Halo 2. Not a lot of range, but impressive rate of fire. Great for intercepting fighters and missiles given proper fire control upgrades. Last but certainly not least would be the glassing beam. A ventral mounted plasma projection beam weapon that was literally connected directly under the reactor as Halo Reach proven. The Covenant reactor was essentially a straight up plasma reactor that was overclocked and discharged when this beam was fired. This weapon wasn't fired on too many ships that were not moored as it was possible to dodge it or even fire and destroy it, setting off a cataclysmic chain reaction.
UNSC ships didn't have shields until much later in the war, so they were heavily reliant on using sacrificial pawns to give their more powerful MAC weapons a chance to cripple and even destroy Covenant ships. Using light frigates and/or decommissioned vessels as literal meat shields for heavier cruisers to charge up and fire a second or even third round. And that became standard doctrine of engaging Covenant ships because one or two of your vessels would more then likely be destroyed in the first volley of fire. Nukes weren't as effective as they could be intercepted before reaching the shield to do any realistic damage. And some ship's shields could take a number of nukes before putting a dent in them. And MAC weapons were varied due to size and available power output of the reactors for each ship, so they didn't always have the power to punch through the shields the first shot, but after the second or third was achievable. Assuming you weren't destroyed before then and the ships in your flotilla could still fire their MACs as well. And on top off all of this still need a way to screen against potential fighters. Covenant had more fighter craft with their smaller banshee attack craft that may not have had the firepower, but were still dangerous to be left alone either. In the first engagement in retaking Harvest from the Covenant the UNSC suffered tremendous losses to a handful of Covenant cruisers and destroyers. And that was using the 3:1 ratio, and less then 30% of that UNSC fleet survived the engagement.
Next would actually be the UNSC training regiment, they were not well informed in combating Covenant ships due to a lack of knowledge of their ship construction and weapon system capabilities. That was later rectified, but what came out of it was a series of protocols. Purging any and all sensitive data relating to earth, top secret projects and associated personnel files, and random jump in the hopes of evading and/or misleading the Covenant fleet from pursuing. That was if you were caught by yourself, without a sufficient means to defend yourself, or not worried about defending civilians.
All in all as you have brought up excellent point in that certain tactics proven very effective, it was the general conciseness to have numbers in favor of UNSC over Covenant ships. However the 3:1 ratio wasn't quite as effective due to the wider range of weapons the Covenant had readily available along with shields. This and the Covenant had more advanced slip-space drives that could allow them to jump in system, though at the expense of their shields. However that was only discovered later and even then by the time a ship could realistically engage a Covenant ship would be too close between them bringing shields online and their weapons. So maybe 40-50% the UNSC might get a shot at crippling one dropping out of slip-space, but it was pretty rare since UNSC wanted to make sure they had enough ships with enough firepower to stand any chance as the lose of one MAC was a devastating lose to fleet combined firepower.
@@danielbeck2739 nice to see another person appreciates halo's finer lore.
Thank you Can'tAfford Fortnite.
@@danielbeck2739 👍
Pretty sure the canonically stated ratio was 3:1, barring unusual circumstances. I've never once heard of a 5:1 or 9:1 ratio.
This is actually cool to watch it would be fun to have like an entire server with just unsc vs covenant
Nice vid Jack, really love these space engineer battles. Especially Halo battles, Plz make more, this time come back with a Valiant-class and several Halberd-class >:)
Ooooh I love you guys for doing this.
Make more of these halo battles Jack! Also you need a bigger battle group and I think it was 20 or 30 ships to take on one Covenant Cruiser. Though Vice Admiral Cole had 40 ships to take down one cruiser which cost him 13 ships. The UNSC decided to use wolf pack tactics knowing it would take three ships to destroy one Covenant cruiser
Ace Phoenix far off. It was 3:1 ratio usaully battles of 7 to 4 kinda thing.
Turtle Ass Well that’s my opinion but I did looked it up UNSC actually used wolf pack tactics on one Covenant ship.
Ace Phoenix that was a super cruiser of some sort. I dont know the exact type but if you read the comic its massive, bigger then a CAS, so it makes sense they needed 40 ships.
Turtle Ass I don’t trust comics because they show the whole picture. If you read the books and look up online. UNSC actually used any ships they had against a Carrier. Example looked at the Battle of Earth the UNSC engaged four CSA carriers and eight cruisers. Every ship in the Earth Defense Fleet was launched at the carriers and cruisers.
Ace, the 3:1 ratio is for fighting frigates. Cruisers usually required more than that. If they had been fighting 3 frigs, they might have won the fight in the video (if they played it smart and outranged them to drop the shields).But that CAS is a monster, would take a lot more to take it out.
This was a really fun battle. Looking forward to joining in on another.
Gotta love the Halo vessels, i have a soft spot for the frigate design :D
Bring in the infinity and the frigates and fighters that it hold
Exe not responding
“Sir enemy shields are completely destroyed!l
Me, a brand new leader of a fleet: “RAM THEM!!!!”
Zheng aproves this
I’ve been waiting for something like this for ages!!!
Jack, a good tactic for this would have been to send a couple ships to behind the Covenant ships, set your Jump Drives to 7.5k blind jump, set in behind them and take out their shields/engines from outside their range, which would cripple them, then you could just pick them off from range.
As a halo fan I can say that you guys did this tremendous well congrats
I asked for this battle months ago ! A dream come true !
Our mac gun is offline *whispers* "alright prepare for ramming speed"
definitely do more Halo space battles! But yeah your gonna have to bring in way more ships to take them, also may i suggest focus firing on their smaller ships to take out their support as quick as possible, then focus on the big ship?try to attack from their blind spots also.
Use 24 unsc ships vs 6 covenant ships! Luv this new video!
2:25 That maneuver probably turned your entire crew into strawberry paste.
i would love to see more of this, the same format and balance
Make more halo battles! I absolutely love the unsc ship designes
Use the tactics they used in lore. Get all your ships to fire at once, like a napoleonic line battle. Anyway, great battle! Look forward to seeing more.
3-1 are the favorable odds, depending on ship size. I think there needs to be a mod for the plasma torpedo weapons the Covenant use. In the books they literally melt their way through UNSC ships and can be steered, but they take awhile to charge up. The only weapons the UNSC really use are the Archer missiles and the MAC guns. Using a MAC gun, like from the Artillery Cruiser video would be a lot closer to what i'd imagine. Add missile turrets or even cruise type missiles to make it an even fight. Love the video!
Thank you so much for the Halo content!!!!
AAAAAAH KNOW YOUR HALO JACK! ITS A CAS ASSUALT CARRIER
10 ships. Two heavy cruisers, four destroyers, six frigates. The destroyers and frigates take turns firing on a target to break their shields and the heavy Cruisers use their MACs to destroy the ship. That was standard UNSC tactics for dealing with Covenant ships.
From Earth, For Earth!
Axios!
I reckon with a bit more planning, some actual solid flanking moves and 12 ships and we could do it.
Oddly, those frigates are waaaay more badass than we expected.
jack the link to the ships is not there and what mods did you use???
Bring in fighters as well. I love this. This is great.
Wow, that is literally how Haloverse battles go, that coulda been right outta the games.
So, I have an Idea. Like the other guy said. Have it over Earth. The Covenant obj would be to destroy the stations while the fleet objective would be to protect them. Also I think it would give it balance due to the fact that the Covenant fleet is so OP against the UNSC that in this particular game mode. The stations should be manned by one player each to be used as weapons. So that would be a total of three stations 3 players. That's just the idea I had.
I love how this is so accurate, although the UNSC would never get close to the covenant, instead they would hammer at them with macs at long range
I love that there was such detail in all ships, especially the marathon class
MAKE A MOVIE !
12 ships should docit
Do it
When I get back with a PC I'm definitely going to resume my Halo film projects.
MrEvan312
Oh hey, just realized who you are. Nice SE Halo blueprints my guy. However, some of the armor ramps are marked as obsolete. Don't know if it'll cause problems. You do great work though.
Thanks! Yeah I started on a new series of 1:10 ships that will be as modless as possible (barring weapons, propulsion, reactors, and some aesthetics like armor ramps) that will look and perform a lot better
nice battle guys...loved the models and weapon design....more please
Love the Halo ship designs.
With the UNSC fleets, the Fifth Expeditionary fleet actually contained 75 ships in it. Though they ranged majorly, a UNSC fleet would have, at least, probably like 15 ships in total, and would most likely consist of a carrier, a command ship (in your case, perhaps a Halcyon), and most of the ships being destroyers and frigates. I thought up a small fleet of 15 ships:
1 x Magellan-class Carrier (I've just selected a carrier at random, though, the UNSC Infinity could fit here too.)
1 x Halcyon-class
5 x Paris-class cruiser
5 x Diligence-class destroyer
3 x Stalwart-class light-cruiser
Elite :Shipmaster they out number us three two one
Shipmaster : then it’s an even fight
@captain jack what shield mod are you using?
Meanwhile, as the UNSC fleet engages the enemy, send in a spartan with a warhead.
Amazing 10 out of 10 love these videos
Bring in UNSC INFINITY ship that will do
And a massive UNSC Fleet!
**halo 2 intensifes**
My computer would die
is there a mod for the mac cannon you use? if so whats it's name?
Should have the flag ship sit alittle bit behind the battle and have it deploy sabres or pelicans.(Edit)The ships that been destroyed and you should have the battle happen in and around a planet.Have a battle over a city.IDEAS
love it reminded me a lot of the SOTP mod, epic!
'The UNSC only wins fights against the Covenant by outnumbering them 3 to 1.' - Jacob Keyes
Oh god yes this brings me joy
double the amount of ships that you had in that video
Ya halo lore battles went like this a lot and I love it maybe 15 vs3 so the odds are 5-1
Wich shield mod do you use?
You should have the UNSC INFINITY Ram the ship when the Shield is down and launch all fighters that are inside the unsc infinity As the covenants Swarm it
Get the Infiniti in there with it's defense fleet of frigates. I also like the idea of seeing the MAC stations above Earth.
I'm loving these videos man. I would like to see more Warhammer 40k space battles though :)
Still loving the videos.
Are those frigates the "Mother Of Invention" from "Red Vs Blue", I have the same blueprint.
Lesson from WW2 fighter pilots. Flying loose formation means you're paying less attention to your wingman, and more attention to your surroundings. also, turning inertial dampers off and just cruising via momentum is WAY easier for formation flight.
Adding on to my previous comment, maybe have a respawn system where let’s say with the 4 cruisers and 4 frigates, when someone in a cruiser is incapacitated, they respawn in a frigate away from the battle so it bolsters the UNSC’s side but doesn’t necessarily increase their immediate fire power
One respawn only and the frigates users could respawn in a longsword
Anyone know the name of the song at 2:30?
Love the halo battles
Whats the mods you used in this video
This is AWESOME
Fun Fact! The UNSC is able to fight the covenant in ground battles effectively due to better adaptability and tactics, up until the covenant gains orbital Supremacy.
LOLXD im watching this on Holiday XD
Awesome! Enjoy :D
This video is literally going to make me buy this game right now ...
I think you will need over 9000!
*squeals like a BTS fangirl*
Bless you, Jack! I never really got the chance to use my own ships as they were honestly intended to be used, not a bad representation of a Halo battle! This was genuinely awesome to watch... and not just because those are my ships :D
this is lore accurate
At the start of the war 13 human ships were needed for 1 covenant equivalent for an assured but pyrrhic victory
Battle Group make up. Four Cruisers, four destroyers, eight frigates.
Use the four destroyers in wolf pack hit and runs. Have the four Cruisers stay far apart and unload at the same time as the hit and runs strike but other wise use them as shields for the frigates. Fire for effect. Focus on engines and weapon systems. Keep out of range and force them to commit to one target at a time. Focus on one ship at a time to drain their shields and break through their armor.
At least you were able to severely damage the enemy ships.
now THAT'S epic
Man those covenant shields are nothing to mess with
from what i know about halo fleet tactics you gotta coordinate your macs to focus down ships, going for different targets will leave you without the damage output to take out any
how do u run this on a pc i have but its so sloe
when it's the frigate pummeling the cis, then, that's one good captain.
The thing that's interesting about the Covenant cannot fight on the ground so when they start losing on the ground they take it to the space and that's when they win
"all ships prepare for combat, burn their mongrel hides" -Shipmaster
To give some perspective of the power of Covenant warships:
Battle of Alpha Aurigae
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117 UNSC warships under the command of Admiral Preston Cole engage a fleet of 12 Covenant warships.
All Covenant ships are destroyed at the cost of 37 UNSC ships
Yassss!
Ignoring the inconsistency of the terms: if you wanted the title to be accurate lore wise, it'd be a UNSC battle group vs Covenant CAS carrier
Can you do UNSC vs Republic?
Giomacs Good Point
Only space soldiers more gungho and insane than UNSC Marines: Clone Troopers!
@MrEvan312 You forget Colonial Marines. They are the ultimate badasses, State of the badass art. They got got Independently targeting particle beam phalanxes, pulse rifles, RPG's, nukes, sonic electronic ball breakers, knives and sharp sticks
:P
They also routinely got the crap kicked out of them by Xenomorphs armed with second jaws, tails, claws, and the occasional stealthed Predator and combat androids. Indeed, pretty kickass, but also these guys were relegated to fighting small skirmishes while UNSC Marines and Clone troopers were fighting brutal galactic wars.
@@MrEvan312 laughs in guardsmen
Same number of ships but add fights to the mix and Focus fire all Mac on the biggest ship first then the unsc will win. Also where do you sign up to join in one of your space battles?
Lore wise i believe the covenant sometimes only needed a total of 25 ships too take on a whole UNSC fleet
to make it fair,:
7 cruisers & 10-15 frigates Jack
(maybe add some CRS/CPV whit 15)
Seems accurate. A fleet of UNSC warships was immensely outclassed by anything but a covenant fleet a third of its size or even smaller.
here's my advice for the UNSC:
1. At a minimum outnumber the Covenant 3:1
2. Designate one target for the whole fleet.
3. Stagger Fire (Frigates fire first and than the cruisers so you get his shields down and than hit him with a whole barrage).
4. Only close to within laser range if you have lost your MAC.
5. If you have a working mac, and are within laser range turn tail and run, better to loose some thrust than to loose your strongest weapon.
May I suggest that all your ships should be the same and with the same firepower. Another thing I would suggest is that all of you arrive at the same time for maximum effect. And, maybe, you might consider including auto repair at each end of your ships.
In general the UNSC needed three ships to successfully engage a single Covenant frigate. In the process, they would lose two of the three ships and the third would be crippled. For a larger Covenant ship, no idea. Perhaps 9 ships with the loss of at least seven.
Yeah I would bring 20 ships because you guys were Shredded Wheat a great job captain Jack
Are you going to do another survival playthrough? I loved watching the last one with all the drones!😀👍
here is what you need to destroy the covenant ship
1. a couple of frigates to take the shield offline
2 .three small bombers
3 .one spartan with AI
4 .one covenant bomb