thank you for the detailed comparisions. Exactly what I was looking for! Multiple gfx cards compared AND performance vs occulink/thunderbolt was also covered which is amazing. liked and subbed
This video was absolutely perfect for me! You’ve earned my sub and saved me a lot of money. I just bought the GTi14 and was going to purchase a 4080 super but, given the cpu bottleneck, I will pick a cheaper gpu. Great detail. Thank you!
@michaozga7825 it came on Saturday. I bought it to develop unreal games. None of my existing machines could handle that workload. This little pc has done great so far and that is without the dock + gpu (due this week). The machine is small, powerful, and quiet. I'm impressed so far. That said, the WiFi seems a little weak, and the Windows license was invalid. I've circumvented both these issues now, no biggie.
@michaozga7825 I've just added an ssd. It's more fiddly that it should be for upgrading. Lots to remove to get to m.2 slots. That said, I won't be doing that every day.
Very interesting! I just got a new Framework 16 and am anxiously waiting for a community project providing it an x8 occulink port for my external GPU. For now I'm using my 2080ti over thunderbolt / usb4 and it performs well. But I've always wanted to know what generation of car would push over the bandwidth available.
Do you think the Intel Core Ultra 9 185H version will perform closer to the desktop or will it bottleneck the GPUs like the Ultra 7 155H in this video?
You think there's enough space around the second internal PCIe slot to accommodate SSD with integrated heatsync (like WD SN850x)? I'm guessing there's room in the dock, but I'm assuming that extra traffic over the dock PCIe would potentially impact GPU performance(?) Thanks for the write-up - mine is being delivered today!
Thank you! Exactly the video I was looking for! Since I planeed to use the docking station I saw no point in getting the GTi14 with the new intel chips. I got the GTi12 with the intel 12900H. Which is plenty of processing power but about 300 bucks cheaper than the GTi14! That extra money can directy go to a dedicated GPU instead of beeing spent on the onboard GPU that is not used anyway in this setup...
@@jonatandehnisch202 yes, I bought the gti12 with the dock bundle for 670. Bought an used 5700xt for 100 and I have a rocking system for now, with room for a gpu upgrade in the future
Not fully tested my setup as only delivered yesterday but i went down this route as i have Razer Laptop with razer this and that and i have the dock and egpu but laptop only supports one T/B port so i either have the dock connected or the egpu which does not support passthough and this is too much of a faff to keep swapping about so this is why i have gone down this route as dock / minpc / and egpu takes up the same space as the razer egpu with far more functionality have also pimped it out with 96gb ram and an additional 4tb nvme
Would the ultra 9 185h perform better on these tests compared to the 155h? i'm thinking about either getting the 185h + rx 7900 xtx dual slot or any other ryzen mini pc with occulink + minisforum's DEG1 to make my own occulink egpu
Ahh that's very good to hear, i was wondering if much of the difference between docked 4080S and the desktop rig was due to cpu limitations, as you used the 7900x3d right? would you say it was the extra cache in the cpu or the 16x pcie lines that made the difference when it comes to higher framerate? i'm mostly worried about the 1% lows as i don't want it to feel very stuttery. I actually have an Ally Z1E and i placed and order on amazon us for a xg mobile 4090, thing is they are taking forever to actually process the payment (2 weeks already) so i was thinking about just cancelling the order and getting myself something new (fuck asus and their propietary connector, as good as it is)
I wonder how much heat this Beelink setup with a mid tier GPU makes compared to a similar setup in a desktop. Reason I’m asking is right now I only using my desktop for gaming during the cooler months since it’s like turning on a heater. And here in TX the cool months are few. Early November and still highs in the 80s F.
Great video! I'm looking at the Beelink GTI 12 Ultra Mini PC, which has a different CPU. I want to buy it, but I'm concerned about potential bottleneck issues with the GPU did you tested gti12 model?
Well i thought that the difference between x8 pcie express and oculink was big but don't. Oculink in this tests could have the same performance than x8? Or something very similar?
Specifically the Oculink 8i (SFF-8612) is for the PCI-E 4.0 8x rated (128GB/s) This in comparison to the standard 4i (PCiE 4.0 4x or PCIE 3.0 16x) Oculink rated at (64GB/s) So yes Oculink can have the same performance, but getting the 8i version so far has been reserved for hobbyists who are constructing the docks themselves. There are a few docks looking to come out that will support 8i so I'm hopefull that next year we will see quite a few docks capable of managing the speeds and powerdraw required for the high-end cards. no matter weather they are 2 or 3 slot cards.
Do you think the minipc built in power supply is a good idea? Power supply produce heat and it may have thermal throttle. Nice video. Please test the thermal on both minipc and dock. Thanks
@@ElevatedSystems i see. Cause some people complaining thermal throttle on this mini pc. Maybe id you test it in long hours of gaming you will experience it as well.
I wonder, does it swap to internal gpu under light use or inactivity? that's my reason to want this, electricity prices here in Denmark is crazy due to our unreliable windmills.
Good vid! They should have reversed the design so that the GPU could overhang the side if it was > 2 slots. There should also be a plug to plug the mini into the base, the 3-pin power cable won't have a problem running both.
Amazing informative video! Clearly the desktop tower is for peak performance gaming. Something professional gamers should choose by default. For those that do not want to spend excessively and are more into moderately competitive gaming, the Nvidia RTX 3060 TI seems to be the ideal choice with a docking station. Ranging between 5-8 FPS drop off from the traditional desktop tower. Another option would be the Minisforum HX99G with its built-in dedicated GPU (Radeon RX 6600M).
the bandwidth limitation dont hit much, but the mobile cpu does..nevertheless i had ordered my GTI14 Ultra + Docking lol, will pair it with the cheapest 4070ti super i can get in my country
Been looking forward to seeing this video since im considering the gti 14 but after this im thinking as much as id like a compact pc im better off getting a regular sized desktop for better performance and upgradeable cpu
Do you have to use the mini pc with it? Or can it work with my laptop over tb4? Just wondering cuz 100$ for a dock and psu would be great deal compared to the 150$ steel frames you have to buy and then anotyher 100$ on a psu.
@@ElevatedSystems doesnt have to be that one specifically, it just seems like it would be better in the long run to have a more general option as opposed to this
it would be great if you add a female to female riser cable to this dock to see if it could be used in small form desktops with better proccessors in it if it works it would be a great option for external dock specs on anything ya would like to try it on , ty if you could test this it be great information to know
@@hidden_name7469 so we discovered the first variable. What about the rest; ram speed, what game, game version, section of the game tested, raster settings, upscaling level......?
@@ElevatedSystems well talking about steel nomad and time spy, I could run your exact settings as well. But I guess does it make sense? In theory it should be better than oculink right? Btw ETA prime also tested with a 4090 and same thing, oculink was better consistently (comparing deG1 dock vs this)
Nobody noticed that the GPU card blowing its hot air to the mini PC it is a bad idea? They should have made the doock in a way that the card faces the opposite direction
I feel like the games you chose are not good tests. Starfield and cyber punk are knowingly unoptimized games that tank consistently even on the best systems.
You're talking about optimization problems at launch. These games, especially Cyberpunk have been significantly optimised since then. Cyberpunk will essentially run on a potato. I almost removed it because it did so well on the mini PC natively.
Not sure I trust an 80 dollar (guess?) 600 watt power supply. Id rather they just charge me 80$ for the dock and leave a spot open for the HDPlex PSU for me to buy on my own and slot in or some similar solution.
It's not a full PSU. Since it only needs to handle a single 12v rail they just used a 12v AC to DC buck converter. I have really good and reliable 12v buck converters that cost under $50.
Thanks for the great video with easy to understand graphs. ALOT of benchmark videos have terrible graphs.
thank you for the detailed comparisions. Exactly what I was looking for! Multiple gfx cards compared AND performance vs occulink/thunderbolt was also covered which is amazing. liked and subbed
This is probably the best video I've seen on the subject--thanks for taking the time to test and share the data points.
This video was absolutely perfect for me!
You’ve earned my sub and saved me a lot of money.
I just bought the GTi14 and was going to purchase a 4080 super but, given the cpu bottleneck, I will pick a cheaper gpu.
Great detail. Thank you!
Do u enjoy the mini pc so far ? Will probably get it next year as a addon for my MacBook which I plan to buy.
@michaozga7825 it came on Saturday. I bought it to develop unreal games. None of my existing machines could handle that workload. This little pc has done great so far and that is without the dock + gpu (due this week).
The machine is small, powerful, and quiet. I'm impressed so far.
That said, the WiFi seems a little weak, and the Windows license was invalid. I've circumvented both these issues now, no biggie.
@michaozga7825 I've just added an ssd. It's more fiddly that it should be for upgrading. Lots to remove to get to m.2 slots. That said, I won't be doing that every day.
Very interesting! I just got a new Framework 16 and am anxiously waiting for a community project providing it an x8 occulink port for my external GPU. For now I'm using my 2080ti over thunderbolt / usb4 and it performs well. But I've always wanted to know what generation of car would push over the bandwidth available.
nice! I also have a fw 16 and consider buying a GPU to use it as a eGPU. Is the 2080ti working fine with the ryzrn cpu?
lol keep waiting chump 😂
Thanks for the understandable, detailed review of the dock and the previous one on the mini PC.
Do you think the Intel Core Ultra 9 185H version will perform closer to the desktop or will it bottleneck the GPUs like the Ultra 7 155H in this video?
I have the ultra 9 version and use a 4080 super with the dock. Benchmarks are nearly the same as my desktop. maybe 3-5 fps loss.
Is the ultra 9 185H really that much better than the ultra 7 155H
Curious also. Price is almost the same as ultra 7.
You think there's enough space around the second internal PCIe slot to accommodate SSD with integrated heatsync (like WD SN850x)? I'm guessing there's room in the dock, but I'm assuming that extra traffic over the dock PCIe would potentially impact GPU performance(?) Thanks for the write-up - mine is being delivered today!
Great, now what about the extra pins on the connector? I want to use this with an extender cable and my Minisforum MS-01. Can it work?
If I had the Beelink PC, I would definitely buy this dock. As it is tho, I`ll stick to my desktop PC
Thank you! Exactly the video I was looking for!
Since I planeed to use the docking station I saw no point in getting the GTi14 with the new intel chips.
I got the GTi12 with the intel 12900H. Which is plenty of processing power but about 300 bucks cheaper than the GTi14!
That extra money can directy go to a dedicated GPU instead of beeing spent on the onboard GPU that is not used anyway in this setup...
GRi12 does not support this dock
@@jonatandehnisch202 GTi12 supports it
Really? So then we have GTi12 and GTi14 that are compatible with the dock?
@@jonatandehnisch202 yes, I bought the gti12 with the dock bundle for 670. Bought an used 5700xt for 100 and I have a rocking system for now, with room for a gpu upgrade in the future
@@effatta That’s nice. I would just just be afraid to get bottlenecked by the CPU, after all its mobile cpu on both versions
Not fully tested my setup as only delivered yesterday but i went down this route as i have Razer Laptop with razer this and that and i have the dock and egpu but laptop only supports one T/B port so i either have the dock connected or the egpu which does not support passthough and this is too much of a faff to keep swapping about so this is why i have gone down this route as dock / minpc / and egpu takes up the same space as the razer egpu with far more functionality have also pimped it out with 96gb ram and an additional 4tb nvme
Would the ultra 9 185h perform better on these tests compared to the 155h? i'm thinking about either getting the 185h + rx 7900 xtx dual slot or any other ryzen mini pc with occulink + minisforum's DEG1 to make my own occulink egpu
Not really. These tests, for the most part, are GPU limited so the extra CPU frequency would have a marginal effect.
Ahh that's very good to hear, i was wondering if much of the difference between docked 4080S and the desktop rig was due to cpu limitations, as you used the 7900x3d right? would you say it was the extra cache in the cpu or the 16x pcie lines that made the difference when it comes to higher framerate? i'm mostly worried about the 1% lows as i don't want it to feel very stuttery.
I actually have an Ally Z1E and i placed and order on amazon us for a xg mobile 4090, thing is they are taking forever to actually process the payment (2 weeks already) so i was thinking about just cancelling the order and getting myself something new (fuck asus and their propietary connector, as good as it is)
@@ElevatedSystemsbut this system had less performance than the desktop
I wonder how much heat this Beelink setup with a mid tier GPU makes compared to a similar setup in a desktop. Reason I’m asking is right now I only using my desktop for gaming during the cooler months since it’s like turning on a heater. And here in TX the cool months are few. Early November and still highs in the 80s F.
Great video! I'm looking at the Beelink GTI 12 Ultra Mini PC, which has a different CPU. I want to buy it, but I'm concerned about potential bottleneck issues with the GPU did you tested gti12 model?
Well i thought that the difference between x8 pcie express and oculink was big but don't. Oculink in this tests could have the same performance than x8? Or something very similar?
Specifically the Oculink 8i (SFF-8612) is for the PCI-E 4.0 8x rated (128GB/s) This in comparison to the standard 4i (PCiE 4.0 4x or PCIE 3.0 16x) Oculink rated at (64GB/s) So yes Oculink can have the same performance, but getting the 8i version so far has been reserved for hobbyists who are constructing the docks themselves. There are a few docks looking to come out that will support 8i so I'm hopefull that next year we will see quite a few docks capable of managing the speeds and powerdraw required for the high-end cards. no matter weather they are 2 or 3 slot cards.
Do you think the minipc built in power supply is a good idea? Power supply produce heat and it may have thermal throttle. Nice video. Please test the thermal on both minipc and dock. Thanks
These are GaN power supplies and produce negligible amounts of heat.
@@ElevatedSystems i see. Cause some people complaining thermal throttle on this mini pc. Maybe id you test it in long hours of gaming you will experience it as well.
Is that a warp reactor in the background
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@@ElevatedSystems man after my own heart good onya
incredibly thorough, thanks!
Would it be possible to connect 2080TI which has 2x8 + 6 pin?
does this dock support thunderbolt 4?
I wonder, does it swap to internal gpu under light use or inactivity? that's my reason to want this, electricity prices here in Denmark is crazy due to our unreliable windmills.
You can select which GPU to use when launching an application.
Can this be hook up to laptop using usb on the back instead of using the beelink mini pc?
Did you say the other egpu TB dock you compared to was a pcie3.0 ? why didn't you use a pcie4.0 dock ?
Because thunderbolt is PCIe 3 only. And there's no way to connect PCIe 4 Oculink to this Mini PC.
Good vid! They should have reversed the design so that the GPU could overhang the side if it was > 2 slots. There should also be a plug to plug the mini into the base, the 3-pin power cable won't have a problem running both.
is this dock compatible with a 7800xt??
Great video. Really helpful.
Amazing Vid. I will be on the road. Am planning to get this mini pc.
Amazing informative video! Clearly the desktop tower is for peak performance gaming. Something professional gamers should choose by default.
For those that do not want to spend excessively and are more into moderately competitive gaming, the Nvidia RTX 3060 TI seems to be the ideal choice with a docking station. Ranging between 5-8 FPS drop off from the traditional desktop tower. Another option would be the Minisforum HX99G with its built-in dedicated GPU (Radeon RX 6600M).
I remember my first 3d graphics card (Rendition v1000) costed less than this dock, lol. And it came with Indycar racing2, lol.
the bandwidth limitation dont hit much, but the mobile cpu does..nevertheless i had ordered my GTI14 Ultra + Docking lol, will pair it with the cheapest 4070ti super i can get in my country
I tested my 4070 using Steel Nomad via oculink connection and I got a 4028 score. Does it mean my oclink is better on this PCIE 4.0 x8 connection?
Could be the card?
Almost bought it, now I'mma see if there's other better alternative that doesn't drop much performance
Find anything good?
@@ElAkerta I didn't buy it, drop in performance makes no sense. I bought this sff XiKii Industry FF04 instead
is that a warp core next to a c64 in the background???🤯
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Been looking forward to seeing this video since im considering the gti 14 but after this im thinking as much as id like a compact pc im better off getting a regular sized desktop for better performance and upgradeable cpu
Do you have to use the mini pc with it? Or can it work with my laptop over tb4? Just wondering cuz 100$ for a dock and psu would be great deal compared to the 150$ steel frames you have to buy and then anotyher 100$ on a psu.
i think i would go for something like GPDs E-Gpu
Why would you pay over $600 for a entry level RX 7600M? Not throwing shade, I'm legitimately curious.
@@ElevatedSystems doesnt have to be that one specifically, it just seems like it would be better in the long run to have a more general option as opposed to this
it would be great if you add a female to female riser cable to this dock to see if it could be used in small form desktops with better proccessors in it if it works it would be a great option for external dock specs on anything ya would like to try it on , ty if you could test this it be great information to know
Interesting, I am using oculink with a 4080 super and getting better performance than this despite the lower bandwidth, why do you think that is?
You're using Occukink? With a GTi14 Ultra? How?
@@ElevatedSystems no with a 8845h. I know it's a different system but I am playing at 4k, which CPU shouldn't play as big of a role
@@hidden_name7469 so we discovered the first variable. What about the rest; ram speed, what game, game version, section of the game tested, raster settings, upscaling level......?
@@ElevatedSystems well talking about steel nomad and time spy, I could run your exact settings as well. But I guess does it make sense? In theory it should be better than oculink right? Btw ETA prime also tested with a 4090 and same thing, oculink was better consistently (comparing deG1 dock vs this)
That's so much performance drop damn 😔
Finally, the gpus are useful with mini PCs.❤
it's a bit weird that the 7700XT performs better than a RTX 4070
Not really a gpu docks but a cool idea.
Nobody noticed that the GPU card blowing its hot air to the mini PC it is a bad idea? They should have made the doock in a way that the card faces the opposite direction
The fans on a GPU are intake. The hot air exhausts out the back and sides (or top in this application)
I feel like the games you chose are not good tests. Starfield and cyber punk are knowingly unoptimized games that tank consistently even on the best systems.
You're talking about optimization problems at launch. These games, especially Cyberpunk have been significantly optimised since then. Cyberpunk will essentially run on a potato. I almost removed it because it did so well on the mini PC natively.
Not sure I trust an 80 dollar (guess?) 600 watt power supply. Id rather they just charge me 80$ for the dock and leave a spot open for the HDPlex PSU for me to buy on my own and slot in or some similar solution.
It's not a full PSU. Since it only needs to handle a single 12v rail they just used a 12v AC to DC buck converter. I have really good and reliable 12v buck converters that cost under $50.