@@amitkenan3878 Toya wasn't a son to Endeavor but a tool which easily can be replaced. After Toya showed his weakness, Endeavor made another child. What can a tool do that lost its purpose, which was the reason it was created in the first place.
@@zigmantasbajoras but the point still stands he chose to become a villain, he chose to be a killer, he chose not to prove to his father that he could be stronger than him as a hero. As king Baldwin once told a man's actions are ultimately his own
@@SkyDrifter2025 Yes, he chose this path but also after the incident he still wanted to return home but after seeing that nothing changed he realised his father's true nature and his only goal became Endeavour's destruction.
The fact that all the family members now have burn scars really is messed up, symbolizing their own part in the birth of dabi, while endeavor has the most, since most of the blame is on him.
Honestly, they did this scene justice. While endeavor and rei are to blame for neglecting toya, ultimately, toya chose to become dabi and kill innocent people. Now, they'll all have scars both figuratively and literally to remind them all of the tragedy that is toya (dabi).
@@amitkenan3878 this man he doesn’t have to fix shit with these people he fought afo lost an arm and has quite literally put everything on the line for his kids. He might be scum, but they will never get a more sincere apology. And no person will ever put as much effort as he has towards his family. Period.
@@amitkenan3878 I never said he fixed everything. I said he did everything he could to apologize and yes, he cant erase his mistakes, but he will tries to do better in the future. In the end, when everything is said and done that is what matters.
Endeavor: "I have failed you, Toya. I have failed you." Dabi: "I should have known the heroes were plotting to take over!" Endeavor: "Toya, All For One is evil!" Dabi: "FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE HEROES ARE EVIL!" Endeavor: "WELL THEN, YOU ARE LOST!"
It's not in anger that Toya is saying in these moments... It's hurt And yeah, it's not Dabi anymore who is speaking, it really is the young boy who was left alone on Sekoto Peak.
No, no? You forgetting that Endeavor was pushing too hard on Shoto (he literally didn’t do anything wrong to the world or hurt people) and he also didn’t put too much careness with Dabi/Toya when he gets his attention after his quirk not handing his body. *Yes he did mess up but THAT WAS ALL ON HIM ACTUALLY.*
@@jakob9323yeah it’s our fault for feeling bad for a someone who got neglected and told he was a failure you’re definitely right. Go up to a child and just tell them it’s their own fault for being abused and neglected by their parents.
In the comic/manga ending: Dabi/toya is in a glorified cyrotube, slowly dying destined to die one day and only able to speak/eat a few minutes a day That's what Rei and Enji wonderful parenting did . Glad they all got scars ... now the reminder of what happened will be burnt into their skin/souls till the day they die NOT that Toya/Dabi is 100% innocent but you blame the cause always and not the effect The Cause : Endeavor, Rei, Dr Garaki, AFO The effect : Toya becomes Dabi
Yea that’s what’s tragic about it all. The whole family was set to fail because of endeavor. Remember Rei was forced into marriage due to Endeavor’s obsession with being rank 1. And his obsession affected rei and her kids. It’s all I just fucked
He is a grown man *Now. But if I’m not mistaken, when he left his family; he was a kid. He was nearly burnt to death, due to him not getting enough attention (neglect)
I just observed that in this Todoroki Dilemma discussion I see that is some people resonate to this situation so much props for it to be so realistic however that there are people who are also in Dabi's side and being unforgiving without considering his sins as well.
Its mostly teenagers tbh MHA seems to have the youngest audience compared to other shounen In a way it makes sense but its still something to keep in mind
@@panthekirb7561 I just noticed that my generation and 1 generation before me are most likely to have so much resentment and being so unforgiving. It's not my place to judge but people should try to forgive.
@@CliffordDLewis022 You are somewhat correct I think. Its difficult for me to say for sure though. I think that a lot of teenagers exaggerate their problems because they are too young and immature to have an open mind. I'm 26, so I'm still young enough to know how it feels to be a teen and how people my age were like. "I'm poor because I can't buy a Nintendo game on the day of release" "I'm abused because my parents raise their voice at me from time to time" Teens really experience 5% of what Dabi did and say "Wow he is just like me". You are right in the sense that my generation (people in their 20s) are less likely to forgive our parents than our parents did to their own parents. My dad is in his 50s and had a rocky relationship with various family members and only a few years ago did he detach himself from the toxic individuals in his life. My parents always tried to gain their parents approval and have good times with their family members. My generation is quick to break family bonds when Its viewed as inconvenient to have certain people around. There is much less mercy, forgiveness or sanctity. Its honestly sad to me, all things considered.
You know the whole family scarring and such... reminds me of Zuko's family from the Avatar Even With Toya having blue flames and going crazy and Todoroki having the same type of scar as Zuko idk i just find some pararrels
@@narllahcorreia2374 “Because of how bad Dabi mutilated his body in an attempt to kill his father to the point it was fatal, he is taken to Central Hospital where he is still in the process of a long and extensive surgery to save his life inside of a life supporting pod while being watched by his father, Endeavor.[98] After surgery, Dabi, now going by Toya once again, is contained in a life supporting medical pod, the only thing that's keeping him alive. His entire family has come to visit him. The officer informs the Todorokis that Toya can speak, but only for a few minutes per day, and because of his heavily mutilated body, he's facing a slow death”😞
“Animes are lame! Animes are childish n unrealistic!” Meanwhile MHA teaching audiences on acceptance toward the different and teach dude how to be a normal dad
Not really, he can live with the knowledge and do his best everyday to be a better man. That outcome is 100% better. What you're describing isn't redemption, it's just vindictiveness. Just like Dabi shouldn't necessarily die for his crimes, the best outcome would be him living and accepting that what he did was wrong and trying to be a better person.
@@RCOLLINS1446Absolutely right. Endevour being forced to live with the consequences of his obsession and lust for power, hurting all his children and leading to one becoming a crazed villain is fitting for him. He'll never be able to fully make up for what he's done but he should find a way to live with it instead of dying at the hands of what he had created. In death, the chance to be redeemed, however small, dies with him and that has never be the message of MHA for me. There are some beyond redemption but those who can should be given the chance. We've seen that through the story and even in this season
Dabi wouldn't accept it anyway and Enji knows it. His apology would mean nothing to his eldest because it wouldn't bring him any peace. Just letting his son's words of resentment and anger ring true in his ears is the only way he can apologize. He owes him that much since he never listened to him before and look what happened. He owes him his silence and attention, not his words and apologies.
@@girl1213 he might not accept it but personally I would still want an apology and I would actually wanna know that he is sorry and he regrets what he did instead of just silence his silence would make me angrier if anything he owes both not saying sorry for doing something like that is just shitty
You know when the battle is all over. Endeavor quits Is being a hero Cause he doesn't deserve the title And what I'd like to know is who's the number one hero now?
We don't know what the ranking was in the period immediately after the war... but in the manga years later, LeMillion is the first hero, Todoroki is the second, Tokoyami is the third, and Bakugou, due to his mistreatment of fans, his ranking drops every year... and this was a big joke. I thought first place would be Bakugou or Deku in the future... Annoying Bakugou didn't benefit from the lessons he learned throughout the series.
Endevour should never be forgiven, yet on the other hand Dabi have gone too much into Jason Todd's/Redhood mode. Coming back home, he pushed himself into thinking he just have gotten replaced and it was a wone way ticket as we see
A simple conversation would’ve made a big difference in that family
The father let his family down, but at the end of the day, his son chose to be a killer
@@amitkenan3878 Toya wasn't a son to Endeavor but a tool which easily can be replaced. After Toya showed his weakness, Endeavor made another child. What can a tool do that lost its purpose, which was the reason it was created in the first place.
@@zigmantasbajoras but the point still stands he chose to become a villain, he chose to be a killer, he chose not to prove to his father that he could be stronger than him as a hero. As king Baldwin once told a man's actions are ultimately his own
@@SkyDrifter2025 Yes, he chose this path but also after the incident he still wanted to return home but after seeing that nothing changed he realised his father's true nature and his only goal became Endeavour's destruction.
How many conversations can you have if your son doesn’t wanna listen?
The fact that all the family members now have burn scars really is messed up, symbolizing their own part in the birth of dabi, while endeavor has the most, since most of the blame is on him.
Naaah cause your comment hits hard💔 i hope the healing lady can heal their scars😔
@@zizuboy9549I hope they keep them in remembrance of Toya’s life. 😢
Ehhhh most of the blame is on dabi himself
@@jadenclemon1612 yah tell them
@@jadenclemon1612 i mean hes the most burnt
Honestly, they did this scene justice. While endeavor and rei are to blame for neglecting toya, ultimately, toya chose to become dabi and kill innocent people. Now, they'll all have scars both figuratively and literally to remind them all of the tragedy that is toya (dabi).
Endeavor is the perfect example of how to screw everything up and then do everything you can to fix it.
He won't be able to fix everything. His dying son is a good example of this
@@amitkenan3878 this man he doesn’t have to fix shit with these people he fought afo lost an arm and has quite literally put everything on the line for his kids. He might be scum, but they will never get a more sincere apology. And no person will ever put as much effort as he has towards his family. Period.
@@amitkenan3878 the fact you got no argument is amazing
@@amitkenan3878 I never said he fixed everything. I said he did everything he could to apologize and yes, he cant erase his mistakes, but he will tries to do better in the future. In the end, when everything is said and done that is what matters.
@@amitkenan3878but at least he is trying to redeem himself.
Endeavor is such a well writen character he's actually my favorite one in the series.. He definitely didn't start out like that.
He kind of reminds me of kratos in a way, guy who wants to atone for all the horrible shit he's done
Same here. He's one of the best well written character, as Bakugō and Shōto
Endeavor: "I have failed you, Toya. I have failed you."
Dabi: "I should have known the heroes were plotting to take over!"
Endeavor: "Toya, All For One is evil!"
Dabi: "FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE HEROES ARE EVIL!"
Endeavor: "WELL THEN, YOU ARE LOST!"
Dabi: “I hate you!!!!”😡
Endeavor:”you’re my child, Toya. I love you”😭
Wtf is this poorly written shitty excuse of a conversation?
Endeavor: YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! I SAID YOU WOULD DESTROY THE VILLAINS NOT JOIN THEM!
That is shoto no touya@@PrestonGarveyofthesettlements
@@paulruilova8287 Oof, reference is flying over your head eh?
It's not in anger that Toya is saying in these moments...
It's hurt
And yeah, it's not Dabi anymore who is speaking, it really is the young boy who was left alone on Sekoto Peak.
That sounds about right.
Endeavor really screwed things up and now he and the entire family are paying for it.
He messed up yes but that didn't force Dabi to do any of the evil shit he did that's on him
you are not very clever
@@unknownchicken2284 Fr
No, no? You forgetting that Endeavor was pushing too hard on Shoto (he literally didn’t do anything wrong to the world or hurt people) and he also didn’t put too much careness with Dabi/Toya when he gets his attention after his quirk not handing his body.
*Yes he did mess up but THAT WAS ALL ON HIM ACTUALLY.*
@@artforgreatness2015 Shoto, and his siblings didnt resort to killing innocent people
Talk about a family conversation. Like Shoto, all of them bear scar burns.
Says it all. Telling Toya to direct all his cruel and hurtful words towards him. It's more than the least he should do now.
I feel bad for Dabi… just end this man’s misery already
You shouldnt
@@jakob9323yeah it’s our fault for feeling bad for a someone who got neglected and told he was a failure you’re definitely right. Go up to a child and just tell them it’s their own fault for being abused and neglected by their parents.
@@animeboytimez chill it's just an anime
@@thom__music Doesn’t mean it doesn’t talk about real life matters and situations. And people not taking this stuff seriously is really just sad
@@animeboytimez I agree but womp womp
DAMN WHY I CAN'T STOP CRYING!!! THIS PART... 0:59 OH NO.. TEARS 😭😭😭
The karma finally hit Endeavor to his lowest. Dabi showed himself as the strongest Todoroki in the family.
Too bad he took that truth to the grave 😔
Dabi, he tried his best, but his best was not enough.
Toya came back but all he had to do was say “Daddy im home” Toya saw Shoto and just bolted
That wasn't the issue.
@@JamaicaZ160R1793010A That was part of it..His avoidance was what festered his hatred
Touya: Me too…die
I felt that,
Endeavor: Yes, keep talking..tell us
I felt that more 🥲
Omg I love Endeavor Character. So much character development ❤
The mangas ending will really make your heart break
Is he not in a glorified cyrotube, slowly dying destined to die one day and only able to speak/eat a few minutes a day in the comic/manga's end ?
@@sppotterstark8057 yep
@@sppotterstark8057 I guess that's better than he deserves
@@panthekirb7561how??
And THAT'S WHY Endeavor's paying for constantly abusing Toya for being a failure as a kid!
Apologies might mend bridges but they cant heal wounds. The damage is already done and no words can undo it
You mean scars.
In the comic/manga ending:
Dabi/toya is in a glorified cyrotube, slowly dying destined to die one day and only able to speak/eat a few minutes a day
That's what Rei and Enji wonderful parenting did . Glad they all got scars ... now the reminder of what happened will be burnt into their skin/souls till the day they die NOT that Toya/Dabi is 100% innocent but you blame the cause always and not the effect
The Cause : Endeavor, Rei, Dr Garaki, AFO
The effect : Toya becomes Dabi
Yea that’s what’s tragic about it all. The whole family was set to fail because of endeavor. Remember Rei was forced into marriage due to Endeavor’s obsession with being rank 1. And his obsession affected rei and her kids. It’s all I just fucked
Dabi’s his own man responsible for his own life choices.
The burden of responsibility ultimately falls on him
Yes let's forget Dabi is a grown ass man and put the blame on his parents and others
dabi is a grown man, a smart one at that
He is a grown man *Now. But if I’m not mistaken, when he left his family; he was a kid. He was nearly burnt to death, due to him not getting enough attention (neglect)
I just observed that in this Todoroki Dilemma discussion I see that is some people resonate to this situation so much props for it to be so realistic however that there are people who are also in Dabi's side and being unforgiving without considering his sins as well.
Its mostly teenagers tbh
MHA seems to have the youngest audience compared to other shounen
In a way it makes sense but its still something to keep in mind
@@panthekirb7561 I just noticed that my generation and 1 generation before me are most likely to have so much resentment and being so unforgiving. It's not my place to judge but people should try to forgive.
@@CliffordDLewis022 You are somewhat correct I think. Its difficult for me to say for sure though. I think that a lot of teenagers exaggerate their problems because they are too young and immature to have an open mind. I'm 26, so I'm still young enough to know how it feels to be a teen and how people my age were like.
"I'm poor because I can't buy a Nintendo game on the day of release"
"I'm abused because my parents raise their voice at me from time to time"
Teens really experience 5% of what Dabi did and say "Wow he is just like me".
You are right in the sense that my generation (people in their 20s) are less likely to forgive our parents than our parents did to their own parents.
My dad is in his 50s and had a rocky relationship with various family members and only a few years ago did he detach himself from the toxic individuals in his life.
My parents always tried to gain their parents approval and have good times with their family members. My generation is quick to break family bonds when Its viewed as inconvenient to have certain people around. There is much less mercy, forgiveness or sanctity. Its honestly sad to me, all things considered.
You know the whole family scarring and such... reminds me of Zuko's family from the Avatar Even With Toya having blue flames and going crazy and Todoroki having the same type of scar as Zuko idk i just find some pararrels
So it's over, Dabi has met his end
And Endeavor
Endeavor criying for Toya diying make me think of Dracula "I'm killing our boy"
夏雄:「どうするんだ？」
AFO:「彼の個性をもらう」
It’s a shame it had to come to this but, better the family face this dilemma together
English dub of this scene got me
It's Over Dabi
What Just Happened to Dabi is he Okay or he is still Alive ? 😢
@@narllahcorreia2374 “Because of how bad Dabi mutilated his body in an attempt to kill his father to the point it was fatal, he is taken to Central Hospital where he is still in the process of a long and extensive surgery to save his life inside of a life supporting pod while being watched by his father, Endeavor.[98]
After surgery, Dabi, now going by Toya once again, is contained in a life supporting medical pod, the only thing that's keeping him alive. His entire family has come to visit him. The officer informs the Todorokis that Toya can speak, but only for a few minutes per day, and because of his heavily mutilated body, he's facing a slow death”😞
@@narllahcorreia2374kinda..
@@gyasiblackman124 oh Okay them so but why is Endeavor sorry for his family and Dabi ?
@@narllahcorreia2374 you need watch the anime to find out
“Animes are lame! Animes are childish n unrealistic!”
Meanwhile MHA teaching audiences on acceptance toward the different and teach dude how to be a normal dad
This is so sad:(
0:02 name of ost
From me to you season 2
I know Endeavour is repentant and a changed man, but there's time you should ask him.
Is this all worth it for that number one hero rank?
If his kids wasn’t so mentally unstable….yes
I'M CRYING, NOT TOUYAAAA HE'S MY POOKIEEE
My only thought is bro yall need to put this kid down he is clinging to life by a thread.. or a staple to be funny here
The last part of ost is so good, which soundtrack is that??
Endeavor’s only way of redemption is he should’ve died there with Toya he drove that kid to his death his own son.
I think it’s more impactful that he has to live with the consequences of all that he sowed. Dying is easy, living is harder.
Not really, he can live with the knowledge and do his best everyday to be a better man. That outcome is 100% better.
What you're describing isn't redemption, it's just vindictiveness. Just like Dabi shouldn't necessarily die for his crimes, the best outcome would be him living and accepting that what he did was wrong and trying to be a better person.
@@RCOLLINS1446Absolutely right. Endevour being forced to live with the consequences of his obsession and lust for power, hurting all his children and leading to one becoming a crazed villain is fitting for him. He'll never be able to fully make up for what he's done but he should find a way to live with it instead of dying at the hands of what he had created.
In death, the chance to be redeemed, however small, dies with him and that has never be the message of MHA for me. There are some beyond redemption but those who can should be given the chance. We've seen that through the story and even in this season
Dabi should have won he was so close, but yet so far
In the end, he could not surpass the wall that is Endeavor's masterpiece: Shoto Todoroki.
@@nicolasromani3523 No
It was never about Shoto.
DAVII! ☠️😭👍🏻
Mi compa que se fue ala escuela con solo agua y pastilla
meanwhile hawks:
Dayum…
I hate how he apologized to everyone But dabi for what he did to him
Dabi wouldn't accept it anyway and Enji knows it. His apology would mean nothing to his eldest because it wouldn't bring him any peace. Just letting his son's words of resentment and anger ring true in his ears is the only way he can apologize. He owes him that much since he never listened to him before and look what happened.
He owes him his silence and attention, not his words and apologies.
Especially since it doesn't mean anything now since the damage has been done
@@girl1213 he might not accept it but personally I would still want an apology and I would actually wanna know that he is sorry and he regrets what he did instead of just silence his silence would make me angrier if anything he owes both not saying sorry for doing something like that is just shitty
His first apology is to Toya
(To Endeavour): Do you feel like a hero yet?
Heroes academy ir the Cry Babies Academy XD
You know when the battle is all over. Endeavor quits Is being a hero Cause he doesn't deserve the title And what I'd like to know is who's the number one hero now?
We don't know what the ranking was in the period immediately after the war... but in the manga years later, LeMillion is the first hero, Todoroki is the second, Tokoyami is the third, and Bakugou, due to his mistreatment of fans, his ranking drops every year... and this was a big joke. I thought first place would be Bakugou or Deku in the future... Annoying Bakugou didn't benefit from the lessons he learned throughout the series.
Endevour should never be forgiven, yet on the other hand Dabi have gone too much into Jason Todd's/Redhood mode.
Coming back home, he pushed himself into thinking he just have gotten replaced and it was a wone way ticket as we see
so dumb.
I dont know man this is stupid. Dabi flames must kill them all but they just got scars xdddd (meanless)
This why this anime/manga end like fairy tail
It's not meaningless... Well unless if you're a psychopath