New Mk6 Horus Heresy Marines! | Reaction & Lore
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2022
- The new beakies have been previewed for Horus Heresy, so in this video I take a quick look at both them and their inspirations - the original Space Marine MkVI kits from the 80s
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The trick about Mk Vs is you can make them out of parts cannibalized from earlier (and later) armor types. That's basically how they were in-universe.
And random third party bits too. There were loads of 'local variants' made by specific forge worlds like all the Legion-specific helmets and stuff
@@ArbitorIan Yeah, but then the Emperor wouldn't let them fight at Official GW Battles
@@RemoteEars Well, if that's the Emperor's will, then it's time to go traitor.
I never really understant this statement as most mkV depicted have fairly specific traits that aren't easily depicted on kitbashed marines. The cabling on the legs and helmets, most notably. From a lore perspective, it works, but if you tried it with minis, most people seeing them wouldn't see mkV, I suspect.
That being said I do like the hodgepodge look.
Yes and no. The one there were two tiles of mark 5 the ones that were reversed engineered mark 4 in essence(the archetypical image of a mark 5) and the cannibalized one
Ian has really been smashing out the content lately and I am HERE FOR IT
Climate of Forge World video????
The Urge to paint them up as OG crimson fist beakies is unreal
Remember the severed ork head.
the original poster boys! i have done that with the current marine kits and forgeworld raven guard upgrade kit. but it is time for a proper upgrade!
Alaways wanted to do a diorama of the last stand! But 1 no cheep space wombles, 2 i cant model or paint 😀
@@minion236 Yeah, the original and the best! Remember the Farm! Rynn's World Will Rise Again!
I'd love to see a bit of a mini series from you, going from the start, to the finish, of building a small army, or at least a couple of squads of different units. Deciding what units to get, maybe even walking in to a store and buying, putting together and painting, then culminating with a few games. An absolute beginners guide basically, holding our hand, and walking us all through the steps!
I absolutely must paint up a woody woodpecker scheme for one😂
HERESY!
Jumpack/assault squad .... The pecker heads
that would be insanely cool and hilarious... should preferably also do a woodpecker themed chapter with its own fluff to go along with it
Heh heh heh heeeeh heh!
The brief look back at Thunder Warriors made me think how GW is missing out on a Unification Wars game. There could be the Thunder Warriors, mutants, all sorts of techno-barbarian militias and raiders, and even mk II Space Marines. It would be the next Horus Heresy if Mr. James Workshop decides to tap that well.
Even just a skirmish game between Thunder Warriors and Tech Barbarians set during the unification would be awesome.
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(I was thinking *exactly* the same thing whilst I was watching Kirioth's video on the new beakies)
Oh they will, but only when they have squeezed every last penny out of the heresy era.
that would be pretty cool going in on more cod Max Max sequel stuff than Gorkamorka and the Ash Waste nomad expansions to Necromunda... of course, I wager you could probably kitbash your own converted models and have it "count as" existing army lists of some type
@@emile1365 I don't rely on GW for anything. It's an opportunity they're missing out on, not me.
'Drama! Hit the button!' Hahaha 🤣
I am just starting to get into the tabletop game and these minis look really easy to paint. Makes me excited!
As someone who has seen both videos, I can assure you that both are equally, though differently, interesting and good.
But I also love as much real world history of far future history as I can get.
I was today years old when I discovered this video, which catapulted me back decades to my youth, as teary eyed nostalgia for Rogue Trader and the almighty boxes of Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Thrugg Bullneck's Space Ork Raiders wells up. Now I'm off to build a deodorant stick land speeder grav tank thingy.
Dope Video. My heart goes out to the Horus Heresy 1-9 books, and the FW kits, but they will always be loved.
I don't think those models are going anywhere. The ones they are retiring are getting plastic kits.
I still remember studying the illustrations in an 80s White Dwarf Adeptus Titanicus article that focused on Heresy era legion infantry banners and rhino markings. Every marine (EVERYWHERE) in every image was head-to-foot in MKVI. Simpler times.
MVI was absolutely being rolled out during the heresy, HOWEVER....the idea that it was rolled out in totality seems questionable. The Raven Guard got the kits early (hence the Corvus name), so having them having total beakies seems OK (my own RG army is this way).
But for other armies, the lore left with me with the impression they had only being slowly replacing early armour so having an abundance of VI in with a mix of other previous armour seems sensible. The reason I don't think it should be a totality of VI is because VII came along and superseded it before the end of the heresy.
"The new armour, later dubbed "Corvus" Pattern Power Armour in honour of the Raven Guard, was placed into full-scale production only a few solar months before the outbreak of Horus' rebellion against the Emperor, re-designated as Mark VI from Mark V by the Mechanicum to account for the inclusion of the many stop-gap field modifications and repairs into the Legiones Astartes order of battle."
"Mark VII armour was developed during the last stages of the Horus Heresy"
So as far as I'm concerned only the Ravens should have a total beakie army, and the rest should have some level of a mix.
But of course, I'm wildly biased here!
Alpha Legion also got their mits on a bit of it IIRC, while some (Iron Hands and Iron Warriors) almost flatout refused to use it.
Nobody is suggesting anything was 'in totality' - Legions still have units with differing supply timelines.
But we could imagine that, say, Dark Angels weren't in a position to get much MkIV, and it was therefore 'rare' in the First Legion, and STILL have 5000 to 10,000 Marines wearing it.
RG OP 🦅
@@ArbitorIan Agreed.
Just to clarify, I was addressing that the marketing (so far at least) from GW has suggested to many that it's purely total beakie armies for all legions in HH.
Maybe later down the line they'll release other marks to mix in. Time will tell. Either way an abundance of beakies absolutely makes sense, as you illustrated well in the video.
@@JonesySurvived GW is probably only showing beakies in the marketing in order to make it obvious that they are what’s in the box set.
The quality of your videos and your channel are amazing
Please go on like this!
The Corvus armor clashes with the death guard and it on warrior tactics they primarily favored the mrk 3 and in official art the death guard had stated to adopt the Maximus pattern.
Great video! Awesome to see and hear about the original Epic Space Marine box (I still have mine in storage).
I remember being drawn to the Dark Angels chapter from that period due to the infantry stand banners (lil stickers on a plastic pole) for them being a per fess sable and vert (black and green) and I liked that because it was the same as House Atreides battle flags from Dune... which I loved, and still love!
Now 172 years later, I take up the hobby again, and that's the chapter I still want to play... Dark Angels!
I think the DA were also one of the suggested main protagonists from the original Space Hulk box, which is also in storage, ha ha.
Nice to have some Wombles back again, they hearken back to the origins of GW, which was using Alternative Armies 'generic space knight' models, which you can still get hold of. Ion Age Nobles, I think??
Man I want my legion to be at least a bit fluffy, but I still don‘t know what legions used Mk VI armor
It was mostly used by the Raven Guard and the Alpha Legion, but I also think that the White Scars used it.
Mk6 was first field-tested by the Iron Warriors and the Salamanders. They were not too impressed by it, and wanted something heavier, akin to the mk3. Ot was determined the armor needed a decisive large-scale deployment, and Perturabo decided to try and kill off the project (at this point designated mk5) by giving it to an under-strength Legion, the Raven Guard. The Raven Guard ate it up, performed well in these "beta test" suits, and made a ton of suggestions on how to improve the armor for the final release (this modified design is what was officially termed mk6). The Raven Guard got the first shipments of production-grade mk6 to supplement their modified prototype versions, and Alpha Legion intercepted a few shipments.
So Salamanders and Iron Warriors would have some, in minor distaste, Alpha Legion would have some, and Raven Guard would have the most, especially post-Isstvan. Space Wolves also secure a large shipment in mid/late Heresy, but probably wouldn't have it in any real numbers at, say, Prospero. Imperial Fists stationed near Terra would have a limited amount, secured at great cost alongside mk4 during the invasion of Mars.
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and White Scars would probably struggle the most to secure it, as these three legions were fighting on the galactic fringes and had very extended supply lines, to the point that the former two were unaware of the events on Istvaan for a spell - they would have very small amounts. Ultramarines were also cut off by virtue of the warp storms splitting the galaxy in two, so would only have gotten their first couple shipments before Calth. Thousand Sons would have very few, as Prospero happens pre-Isstvan by a couple years iirc.
Other legions would have limited quantities as they receive their first shipments of armor, but the doctrines of some kept it out of favor. Death Guard were a heavy assault type, as well as World Eaters and Iron Hands and so didn't appreciate the advantages (stealth, improved auto-senses) of mk6. The Night Lords were in hot water, and were already on the fringes of being sanctioned when the Heresy broke out (and would have rebelled on their own if it weren't for Horus' little rebellion), and so most of their examples would be scavenged from the dead.
Emperor's Children, Word Bearers, and Sons of Horus would have gotten their early allotments, and probably put them to use. Horus' machinations led to better resupply to the legions he trusted before the Heresy even began, and this goes back to the roll-out of mk4 to replace/supplement mk2 and mk3, so his fellow Betrayal legions and the Word Bearers would have gotten priority. They still would be largely mk4 though.
The real answer is ALL OF THEM. Like, all the info above is correct, but it's also a massive civil war with constant material needs.
If you just made another 1000 new iron warriors and your local forge world is making mk6 armour now, you're not gonna retool all the machines back to mk3 or refuse the shipment.
No contradiction here :) as I said, this Legion would struggle to get it, that Legion would only have a few, etc.
With the Iron Warriors, remember the old metal/finecast upgrade sprue? One of the helmets, my second favorite from the set, was a beakie, but it had extra armor plating, making it match the Iron Warrior philosophy better. For that Battalion, I would encourage continuing that concept with additional armor plates and bonding studs across the whole beakie, doing whatever you can to reinforce that armor. I think there is a lot of potential there! (Now I need to do up a squad like this, something expendable, like Despoilers or Destroyers)
@@stealthvulture5594 Yeah iirc the Iron Warriors were not a fan of MKVI (beaky) armour. But it's been a little while since I last read the HH novels
I feel sure that old plastic space marine kit (30 multi-pose models for a tenner... by 'eck, them were the days, back when the money you'd make from a paper round could feasibly allow you to get a decent 40K army on the go, without having to wait for christmas or some rich uncle to keel over and leave you all his money) came with optional chain bayonets for their bolters... Pretty sure I had a few squads equipped with them just for extra manliness. 😂
Yeah but today a tennner only going to get you a liter of petrol now :D
They did, they came on the sprue (one of 3 types) called the Assault Sprue IIRC.
Yes they did, I have all my RTB01 marines right next to me. The chain bayonets are a triangular shape. I really like the look of the more rounded and I guess more useful shape of the new one. Bought mine off a friend when I was a kid for less than a tenner I think, and weirdly I have 32 rather than 30.
When you said “I could only find this” for the picture of the MK5 armour I laughed so hard :)
I can remember when I started Warhammer 40K I bought about 4 or 5 of the small Space Marine Rogue Trader boxes and I loved them. Shortly after that the new version of Space Marines came out and although I liked them very much too, I missed the chain bayonett. However I was thrilled about the Blood Angels Tactical Squad box at that time! (the one with the blond Sergeant, where both, the Sergeant and the Veteran had banners on their power unit). I think I will buy some of this Heresy Marines and just use them with the rest of my army. I mean Blood Angels have a lot of old armours, regarding their fluff, right?
I really enjoy your videos a lot! I like the way you are presenting them and that you do a lot of background research! Although I am with W40K and WH Fantasy since the early 90s you already showed me some new stuff. For example the Slann, I remembered that I saw the models, however I never knew the background of them. Thank you for that!
very happy with the content you produce, keep up the good work !
Awesome video man! Just started a solar auxilia army and was worried starting a custom colored legion, after watching I feel a lot more comfortable moving forward :)
loving these very unscripted videos, feels like just hanging out with my rambling nerd friend who just knows all the 40k lore
🤯 Just learned that chainsaw bayonets - which I loved in Gears of war games - originated in 40k
I feel like it's a great year for you Ian! Squats AND Horus heresy!
All we need is a return of the Fimir and Slann, and this year will be thoroughly in Ian's wheelhouse.
A Fimir Underworlds Gang!
That’s all we need!
@@GaryKeenan They can hang out with that Zoat.
Another great video. I like how you explained why IRL that Mk VI is a legitimate armor mark for the Heresy era.
God I must be old !!! I've still got some of those original Space Marines unmade and in the box !!!! 😏🙄
Loving your content Ian! Keep up the great work
Great stuff! Very informative!
I love the Mk VI. It bring back so many fond memories of playing rouge trader when I was a kid. I remember getting a box of the old plastic Mk VI for my 12th birthday and boy was I over moon. It one of the main reason I got back into miniatures, after a two year break and it all because of the MK VI. I think once I've build up my Son's of Horus, I'm going to paint up a small Crimson Fist army to play rouge and 2nd edition.
I only wonder if sergeant has bolter pistol (because it sounded, like he has only plasma one, weird) and if there is heavy and set of special weapons. Also I've seen some people saying they are "probably monopose or at least limited build like primaris" but for me they look like perfectly possible to be in standard marine building system with legs with ball joint and torso on them.
Judging by the leaks war gear in heresy 2.0 is going to be relatively the same as the current. Bolt pistol as standard upgrade to plasma (which is always the best choice).
@@WhiterThanAginger Then it's fine. As for best choice, I don't know, I don't play the game. I just like to have options in box for more varied collection or to build marines with legion themed weapons. I know, I know,, I could just take bolt pistol or, let's say, flamer from other set, but it's good to have those options (each mark has some unique weapons design too), not to rely on having exact leftover from another set in the first place.
So far it’s really hard to tell without seeing the sprues. My hope is that the design for these continues the same way as previous “firstborn” kits, with a separate torso and separate legs for a little extra poseability.
@@tinyfishhobby3138 that's my exact thought. I know, some people like primaris for "more dynamic poses" (which is kinda stretch for basic units who have this same poses you would get with firstborn equivalent anyway just without this slight variance to not look like exact copy. Poses are good for more special characters). I want compatibility, I don't want to need to pull out hobby saw for simple kitbashing of basic troops, I want to just build from parts like legos. Firstborn kits have possibility for up to 6.2 different sets to kitbash (excluding Thunder Warriors, but including mark 8 torso and padded hips) not even count other possibilities, like veteran bling edition, jumpacks and dynamic legs and heavy weapons sets. It's not about Heresy alone, but 10 000 years worth of scenarios you could put your marines in.
My thoughts:
0. YESSS..! My first miniatures were RTB01 - I'm not *that* old, my local toyshop still had some boxes on the shelves in the mid-nineties - so I really hope that I'll be able to afford these
1. I *really* hope that those beakies are going to come with properly-scaled missile launchers, rotor cannons, etc.
2. there's a mostly-forgotten mark of armour in pre-second edition catalogues: "Death Eagle"; it's somewhere between Mk. 6 and Mk. 7, there's apparently lore relating to it (although I've never encountered it), and only three (monopose and metal) designs of miniature feature it
Thanks for the video, Ian. Love these models. Although the bolter is wrong, GW has the magazine in the right place...
always look forward to your vids Arbitor
Thank you , Ian .
Heresy ! I love it . I have over 150 rouge trader metal marines , and now I have 150 30K marines , Just Kewl .
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oh and by the way , The "prototype" MK VI , marines , well I also have a unit of 10 (including the origanal Missile launcher) , and the tab on the bottom of the mini just has "Space Marine" on it ,
Good old rouge trader I miss it , Hello 30K ! 😁
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I loved the content of this one, absolutely awesome 👌🏼
It’s nice seeing the first, and best, born still getting love.
This is the heresy, son. There's only firstborn
it's so weird to see crimson fists without imperial fists. super excited for new plastic heresy, but definitely doing some head swaps. never been a fan of the beakie helmets and I like the idea of mixed armor types within an army. Finished Mark of Calth recently and enjoyed this one scene where an ultramarine in Mk III plate analyzed the newer Mk IV plate his Word Bearers opponent was wearing noting that it was more flexible but presented less protection at the gorget and other connections like inside the elbows which he targeted as weak points. really hoping we'll see things like breacher squads. that's the iconic image i think of when picturing Heresy Era Imperial Fists.
Ian. You need to make a video on Beakies! How they're derived from gasmasks and how they resemble hound skull bascinets (though the modellers didn't know about em when they made beakies).
Well derived from ore gas masks plague docters masks also were used as a sort gass mask using herbs and chemicals in the beak they were supost to helo you not get infected by viruses gass masks later improved on it replacing herbs with charcoal filters that absorbe the moisture of chemical gasses
In ww1 britain discovered that act8vated charcoal wood could absorbe toxic chemicals in the air to protect the lungs
In modern day activated charcoal is also used in removing chlorine from water
Dark Angels scheme will be getting slapped on these guys for me, can't wait!
I can imagine the 3 door drop-pods being used for the bigger "window" so that more/longer can be shown when filming...
i absolutely love the greaves, the fact they look so bulky compared to the rest of the armour really speaks to me :)
Flared Power Armour and Platform Boots. Glam-Rock Marines.
It’s a long time ago so I might be misremembering (I’ve also been out of the game for 30 years) but I seem to recall back in the Rogue Trader days, when the Heresy was only semi defined, whilst Mk6 armour featured heavily in the artwork, until the release of the plastic box set, Mk7 armour was pretty the default for models/play. We all sort of assumed that the armour used in the game was what was available in the Heresy as it was a tiny bit of fluff back then. Love the Videos they’re helping me catch up!
How long till someone takes a load of those chain bayonet bolters and makes a squadron of Gears of War marines?
Reluctant reaction UA-camr. The very best kind. Keep up the great videos. Cheers
I love the Mark 6 armor. I will definitely be buying this kit 😍
Squats and Heresy got Ian working double time
YUP
"Mk 1 "Space Marine" Armour? Ah damn... I was just startin' to like you."
Thanks for the video(s)! Did you notice there is an Iron Claw rogue trader space dwarf model (IC501 #17 Sgt. Rock) from 1991 with a chain bayonet?
SPACE WOMBLES!!!! 🤣
Overground, underground wombling free, mk.6 plastic beakies are we.
@@briochepanda "Lads of the Imperium, Fascistic are we!"
I’m a novice just getting started. Been trying to get some “beaky” marines as I think they are cool. So this, along with squats means I am well and truly hooked
I stopped painting/collecting about 13 years ago. (With over 140 models for my home brew chapter)
But these minis make me want to try my hand again. (I did also buy the 30 year anniversary beakie model, it’s still in its box)
They look a little upscaled. If they can stand beside current 40K CSM without looking ridiculously wee and dinky I could well be tempted to use their bits for my Night Lords army languishing in hiatus since I realised what a pain in the hole painting all that armour trim was! Will probably get one box anyway since they look rad and because I never had my own set of RTBO1s.
I always liked the mk.V armour, so I put my true-scale sisters of purification in that, but with mk.VI helmets (because the beakie with the top knot look is really awesome).
I think I bought 3 sets of the old 30 marine box set in the 80’s from a little hop in Brighton that sold heaven metal clothing and had a small miniature but at the back where you could buy lead models of lord of the rings and guns and roses pewter necklaces. I’ve still got some in a tool box.
Beaky helmet, best helmet
While the beakie make sense during the heresy, it's still really annoying to get a whole box of just beakie. Firstly it doesnt scream Horus Heresy to see everyone equipped in exactly the same thing. Secondly I differ from your opinion and think it really makes more sense for loyalists than for traitors, both substantiated by most of the material. It's pretty hard to find picture or text where you see traitors in Beakie, and the various text mainly support that. Of course they would have had some, as you say there would always the couple thousand development models, they could have gotten some forge worlds where the production was about to start, some scavenging, etc., But it would still have made so much more sense to go away from the super uniform sets of armor, even more so for the traitors, and make variety and mix & match the main theme.
Intresting;) Horus Hersy Era is mine favorite in Warhammer 40k universum....Im waiting for more info on boxes or starer box ;) Love the minis love Bayonets...
I bet the dreadnought drop pods where so the camera had more room to look inside and see the marines (less spokes in the way)
As I recall, Mark V armor was more of a patchwork creation, made necessary during the Horus Heresy, where some Legions had shortages of armor and would take some parts of their armor from fallen comrades.
I am a tad excited for these!
I do wish they'd included a RTB01 style powerfist tho
These new minis are dead sexy. I could use more molecular bonding studs and some Mark V helmets.
"I don't think it'll make much difference to be honest, it's not a big deal" should become the official mantra for HH 2.0.
I'm wondering if GW might do the Jump Pack/Assault Marine kit or the Heavy Weapon Marines as Mk V marines, on the basis that you can mix and match the kits to have a variety of armour types in an army, but at the same time not having to stock 3 or 4 effectively identical tactical marine boxes.
I got into it in 87 or so, around 12 years old. I have that old box set with the original beakies and the epic scale one he shows as well. I remember then the "newer" non-beakie armors came I was like a guy who loved a band's ORIGINAL lineup -- I was like no thanks. I didn't play at all really since then. But now I want to get back into, talked to my local GW store. Excited!
I wish it was the older style size in line with the rest of the range and had seperate ball joint for legs.
Great video.
Leaky Cheese has done some good work on his instagram pulling together all the Heresy artwork that contains MKVI.
Mark 6 was in use at istvann
Rg was using it along with Alpha legion who stole it lol
Was around a while
Was noted clearly in Horus heresy black book no 3 extermination
Auspex Tactics for News + Crunch, Arbitor Ian for News + Fluff.
I. AM. HERE FOR IT.
This has been a red letter month for Oldhammer fans with both Squats and Beakies returning. I never got to experience the Rogue Trader days myself (mostly because I was a toddler at the time), but I have a soft spot for its wacky, satirical take on the 40k setting. I'm glad that some of those elements are being brought back like this.
I saw it in another comment, but I’m more surprised by the lack of heavy/special weapons. Will these be sold separately? That’s one of the key features of the old school tactical squad.
If they're basing it on the RTB01 kit, I expect to see a missile launcher and flamer, but no other Heavy/special options in the starter set kit.
@@darrenrichardson6146 I hope so, I was a little worried when they only revealed bolters. It would suck to have to get additional weapons separately.
In Heresy, tactical squads just have bolters. Special weapon and heavy weapon squads just have those weapons. Veteran squads are more like a 40k tactical squad, with options for one of each.
@@ArbitorIan thanks for the explanation. That’s actually interesting because it’s very similar to how the Primaris squads are organized with units like intercessors and hellblasters. I wonder if that comparison was ever directly referenced in universe.
mkVI for life, dawg
The amount of shade thrown at a certain Australian hobby youtuber in this video is brutal
Honestly can't think of who. The only aussie UA-camr I can think of is Majorkill, but I'm not sure if he does Heresy stuff??
@@ArbitorIan the Outer Circle, heresy youtuber whose not happy about beakies being the main focus of the new boxset and tried to argue that it doesn't make lore sense.
i want to take this kit and build a rogue trader themed crimson fist army
Are those scrolls on the hip of that marine? What are they for?
Reading material? 90% of battle is just standing around right?
I do have a soft spot for mk VI I wonder if you could use them in normal 40k
Who's going to stop you? But more seriously, there's no way some chapters wouldn't be fielding relic suits of mark VI, if they have them.
Just run them as a tactical marine squad. They have the same war gear and are both first born
There are marines using modified Thunder Armor and Mk. II in 40k. Part of surviving an apocalypse followed by another apocalypse is you're going to salvage whatever you can, including old suits of armor.
I'm fine with mk6 for the heresy but could you maybe answer a couple of seeming plot holes if you don't mind?
Why is mk5 called Heresy armour?
Why did they release mk5 for Badab, surely they would be in Mk6?
Why are all the 40k chaos marines not in mk6? Especially the death guard which are pretty much all mk2 now.
Like I have my own speculations to the last one but seems a bit odd to me.
I have no dog in this fight by the way, my bias is towards mk6 because I like it as it's the one I remember from being a kid, I am genuinely interested, thanks, cool vid.
1. Mk5 is called Hersey Armor because, in lore, it was the scraps and halfassing problem common in random panic wars like the Hersey. Namely, the forgeworlds weren't retooled for Beakies, nor standardized for the kind of galactic combat of the Hersey, and so legions tried everything possible to make Stop-gap measures. Those ball-barrings on the armor? That is balls of Ceramite from melted armor for example used to save time and energy on mass production.
2. Although one would assume newer armor would just be outright used and earlier versions thrown away, the truth is culture has a massive importance on chapter-standard-armor such as why Mk2's / Mk3's are so common in the Death Guard. The Mantis warriors kept using the mk5, and the Beakies where early adopted by the Raven Guard for example.
3. Again culture, many of these marines and the chapters they came from standard to builds and styles of armor fitting the culture of the armors. Black Legion standard is Dark Mechanicum standard, which itself is a standard different from Mechanicum standard.
Mk 5 is a hodgepodge of previous marks, reclaimed damaged armor and prototypes being made in different forgeworlds, all cobbled together and called Mk5.
Mk 6 was in new fluff, tested on the raven gaurd, not set in to mass production untill later in the HH.
It is not a thing in the early HH.
The traitors should have a lot less of Mk6 due to this.
Each legion has different tastes on what they like are armor.
Mk6 was designed to have more maneuverability and be more stealthy than previous Mk's.
Most legions disliked Mk6 due to it being slightly weaker that Mk4. Raven gaurd love it due to being more stealthy.
thanks for the replies people.
Sorry, what I mean is, if mk6 was the main armour in the Heresy as per this vid, why was it not designated Heresy armour.
Further the mk5 was bits cobbled together from armour marks late in the Heresy because of lack of resources logistical problems etc, so how come suddenly there is enough to make 100's of thousands of beakies?
Seems a bit unlikely to me, maybe I am missing something, very likely indeed, I don't write this stuff so doesn't matter.
Maybe they should just straight up retcon it, dunno, they look pretty cool anyway so I'm not complaining.
@@itsallpointless6501 in the 80s -90's there was only mk6 armor, this was what space marines looked like. There wasn't diffrent armors. That is why Ian is saying its fine. He showing old books and saying look its fine.
As the fluff has evolved and making the other Mk's it is now that Mk6 was made during the middle to late HH. Tested by the raven gaurd, plans stolen and some number of suits taken by the alpha legion.
Mk5 being diffrent armors bolted together, with what ever resources, unused suits, and battlefield scavenge they have.
You need to remeber the scale of warhammer. There are thousands of forge worlds all churning out diffent equipment, only hand full of forgeworlds getting the plans on how to make Mk6, there would still be meny making the old Mk's.
There would be relatively few suits even for loyalist legions, untill very late in the HH and none at the beginning.
Ian is very to paraphrase ' what evey you and your freinds play want to think is correct' he is sometime not lore correct or lose with the lore.
@@4_am yes I remember space marines as a kid, I didn't recognise them when I came back into it recently.
Cool, thanks for the info :)
Hey Ian, cause you asked: In my opinion your videos without the frame was way better! 😊
So by this logic, explain where the CSM backpacks come from
Maybe the Rainbow Warriors are one of the 2 lost legions. Lost for having arguably the worst name for anything in 40k.
I have to say, as someone who was in his early teens in the early-mid 90s and getting into 40k, the armour of The Horus Herusy reminds me of looking through all those catalogues of the day and being enthralled with the art work showing how the Space Marines looked back then, it is just cranking up the nostalgia up to 11.
No, the Rainbow Warriors are still around. these days in the 40k lore there just another Ultramarine successor.
@@darkstar1360 Which is amusing, as the earliest write up about the Ultramarines actually has the Ultramarines as a successor chapter to the Rainbow Warriors (in fact I think all the 'colour' chapters were meant to be successors to the Rainbow Warrior). This was pre-the lore about the Horus Heresy though, back when the Ultramarine's Chief Librarian was half-eldar...
They were named, as Ian said, for a Greenpeace ship which was sunk in 1985 by the French secret service. The old Rogue Trader rulebook has the famous picture of a Rainbow Warrior being shot by Sister Sin (probably just a female space marine at the time, but now a proto-sister of battle), and her fluer-de-lis is almost certainly a reference to France (it historically being a symbol of the French monarchy), and has since become a symbol of the Sisters.
Great video! Im an OG Mark6 since'88. One thing the sound of the video is super low. Even with my volume at max i can barely hear
My apologies to ask, but could you increase the mic volume? I do not have the best speakers but the building fan outside my apartment is kinda same volume and I have it up to 100% but it still sounds like whispering. I might just me, apologies again, but if someone else might also have it with this video, I thought you might appreciate it
i'll never critique someone else army that the person put passion on making, but for me a whole horus heresy death guard army in mk6 feels a little strange... same goes for iron hands or salamanders. mixed armors works more. but if my opponent comes with a full mk6 death guard army, i'll play the games and enjoy the moment just fine. my army is more mixed matched, most of the time i mix armor in the same squad because lazyness.
Ironically, Salamanders were one of the first legions to test mk6! They weren't too impressed though.
@@stealthvulture5594 master crafters, i just forgot...
Love these sort of lore videos. I came to 40k in the early 2000s, and rediscovered my love for the genre and setting a few years ago. Great that Ian fills in the gaps I never knew existed, and just *why* things are the way they are now! More of the same please! :D
Are the studded shoulderpads a HH feature? Same goes for the Roman helmet Crests. I seem to recall SM having those in the W40k Gladius videogame, got me confused.
Anyways, great video!
Studded shoulderpads are basically marines trying to kitbash their armor so it doesnt fall apart or is stronger under incoming fire. The studs are molecular bonding studs. They bind the layers of armor together so it can take more dmg. An easy repair and very common later in the heresy since they had little to no resources to do proper repairs.
Sort of, they're a stop-gap repair and reinforcement of existing armour. They're occasionally visible on MkIV, they're VERY common on MkV, (which was cobbled together in the middle of a war) and the tradition continued through to MkVI.
By 40k times it's half practical and half 'revered old tradition'
I think they look great, my only nitpick is that I hate the pipes coming out of the legs but you can slice those off.
I’m also one of the lore purists, I believe the new box set should come with MK5 armour instead, it’s called “heresy armour” after all.
if you were a lore purist then you would know that all patterns before 6 were common during the span of the war. Mk5 is just a made up mark in the lore to comprise any of the custom suits that individual legions made or from the smash up of scrap making armor because of the heresy.
@@tiberiusfellblade2567 I’m aware of that, Heresy 2.0 and this box set is setting up The Siege Of Terra, MKV was the most common armour on both sides by the time of the siege, which is why it makes more sense to include in the box.
@@WhiterThanAginger the only issue is how do you portray MKV when every legions "MKV" is different? There is the model that GW made for a minute, but lorewise MKV is not one single mass produced type it is a place holder name for the cobbled together suits. That is a shit ton of work for the sculpters to make which makes the models cost more. You can find info to support my point on any lore page. The existence of those kits on FW is kinda lore breaking to begin with because of the fact that the appearance is so standardized across those minis. I will agree though that it makes more sense than MKVI
Place holder is the perfect term, use in the box the forge world MK5 sculpt but in plastic and encourage players to customize as they see fit maybe even include “upgrade Sprue” of other armour patterns.
Long time Heresy player here and I mix my mks of armour up and have guys kit bashed in different mk's in squads to represent the dire supply issues.
The answer is: Depends on 'You' and your gaming group. In fact, there is building interests in early Pre-Crusade days gaming.
My favorite Marines since 1987.
It's not my favourite marine armor, but I don't dislike it either. Maybe some other marks will be made plastic as well?
I LOVE beakies
For the niche GW/Jeremy Lloyd crossover:
Captain Beaky, and His Band
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Gears of War was supposed to be a SM game but GW must have seen how much people would mock it and backed out.
i wonder if we'll ever get mk one space marines down the line?
Seeing new plastic beakies warms my Oldhammer heart. Seeing people in video comments insisting that people should not be able to include mark VI marines in their Heresy armies confuses it.
Brilliant video as always. I seriously would love to see a Rainbow 🌈 warriors Army. Cheers
The world eaters would probably not have used M6
Well they did
Could i paint a Luna Wolves Army in mkVI armour and be coherent with fluff?
Yup! There were definitely Loyalist elements of Traitor legions and we know that some SoH repainted their armour in the old Luna Wolves scheme to symbolise this - both Iacton Qruze and Loken do this in the books.
So a loyalist Luna Wolves army, resupplied with MkVI later in the Heresy, totally fits.
@@ArbitorIan i see thank you very much! I guess i'll have to read some horus heresy background before starting to paint never the less.
Also MK4 armour looks an awful lot like primaris armour. If you are looking to get new people playing the game you don't want them confused with the two systems and so having an obviously identifiable difference between the marines in the two systems makes sense from a marketing point of view bearing in mind this line will be carried in store. Also love your videos keep up the hard work!
Really good point I hadn't thought of!