TYLER SMITH SCOUTING REPORT | 2024 NBA Draft | Milwaukee Bucks | G League Ignite
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Tyler Smith joined the #NBA G League Ignite from the #Overtime Elite program and has arguably been the team's most consistent performer so far. What does his #NBADraft stock look like?
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:15 Three-point shooting
2:00 Punishing mismatches
4:02 Catch & finish, pick & roll
5:27 Self-creation breakdown
7:40 Drives and attacking closeouts
8:27 Rebounding and passing
9:20 Defense
10:10 Pick-and-roll defense
10:45 Switching and help side rim protection
12:00 Takeaway and NBA Draft projection - Спорт
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Tyler Smith at 31 makes sense
For some reason nobody is high on him. I personally think he should go top 10.
What makes you see him as a top 10 pick?
I think there's a lot to like, but I still want to see more defensively and I'm also not sure he does enough things (both right now, but also to project for the future) outside of scoring.
Mainly because of the other players I have seen in peoples top 10. Tyler practically has an NBA body now. I have been watching him since the first season of OTE and his body is the type that puts on muscle very easily, which is very important for NBA players. I disagree, his length is a great asset for defense, he's able to steal and block shots easily. Just look at his stat lines in some of his g league games, don't forget he is coming off the bench on limited minutes. He can also score and shoot 3s. NBA teams love lefty's. I just don't see why say a Rob Dillingham is seen as a 7th pick, but yet Tyler is 20s. The NBA and GLeague have hundreds of good NBA quality point guards that can be put on the floor whenever a team wants. A player like Tyler is rare. Thats why I would put him in my top 10.@@FloorandCeiling
@@BrentonPercy Fair enough. I've been watching Tyler since his first OTE season as well and he's always stood out to me. Even then, he was one of the best players in the program - and I'm someone who generally thinks that OTE does a very good job developing players for both college and the pros.
His bounce and length are good assets, like you said, but I think the reads he makes still lag behind some other bigs. For instance, he has more margin for recovery than Izan Almansa who also played for OTE and is a worse athlete, but I think Izan is a smarter defender right now because of his FIBA and Spain experience where he had more defensive responsibilities. That's not to say Almansa is a better defender now or that he'll be better than Tyler, but I just feel like Smith still has a ways to go in making defensive reads as a 5. He's much better coming in and helping, which would happen more as a 4 so I'm not *super* concerned by all of this, but it limits the versatility of his defensive outlook a tiny bit.
Yea I understand that, makes sense. I also may be ranking Tyler high based on his untapped potential/ceiling. I'm a huge fan of Almansa, his smarts and hustle make him fun to watch. His shooting and athleticism are killing his stock value in this draft though. He was ranked so much higher last year. Where do you think Almansa goes? I could see him being like a Joakim Noah/Draymond Green type of guy. If he's on a team with elite shooters/playmakers his game would really flourish. How fun was it to watch the first two seasons of OTE. My favourite players were Almansa, Sarr, Bryson Warren, Tyler Smith, and Big Nate. Crazy to think Sarr might be the first player drafted to OTE and first ote alumni drafted number 1 in nba. Will be a cool stat if it happens @@FloorandCeiling
I like that Joakim Noah comp a lot, though Almansa would have to grow a fair bit defensively. I think he is smart enough to get there though, but probably not as athletic. I think he can still become a better athlete, but he's already improved so much since he first came to the U.S. that I wonder when/if he'll top out. I have him as a top 20 pick right now, but he's in a fluid situation where he could go 5 spots higher or 5 spots lower depending on team fit/context.
I also liked Kok Yat, Bryce Griggs and Jalen Lewis from the first OTE cycle. Nate Missia-Dio too, like you said. Jaylen Martin (now with Westchester in the G League) and Bryson Warren (now with the Sioux Falls Skyforce) as well. I think the OTE to NBA path is very slept on but producing pretty positive results. Rob Dillingham, of course, is another OTE alum (although his time there was a lot briefer) who'll be a high draft pick along with Sarr, Almansa, and Smith.
Then, over the next few years, I'm sure Bryson Tiller and Jayden Quaintance from OTE's first class will also get into the league. Two very talented prospects. @@BrentonPercy
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Those 3’s splash like a good shooter’s shot. Sometimes we grade big man shooters on a curve but his shot is that of just a pure shooter!
I think he's gonna develop into a nice shooter, though his versatility needs to continue improving. Thanks for watching!
He is a hard prospect to read because of his definitive role for the Ignite. He was never asked to do more then spot up on threes, but I think his athletic profile offers hope that he can become more then that at the next level.
His role was narrow, but I think it helped his draft stock. I think he'll be asked to do similar things in the NBA (shoot threes and punish mismatches), so it was a solid preview of what Smith can bring to the table.
I do agree, though, that I want to see even more. Ideally, this would be rolling to the basket, but most of all, on the defensive end.
Really enjoying these breakdowns!
Thanks for watching!
He’s eerily similar to Jabari Smith as a prospect. Both 6’11 bigs who have all the wing/forward skills except actually being able to/having confidence in putting the ball on the court. The main issue for Jabari coming out was that as good as he was at the collegiate level, he was way too reliant on other guys finding him in perfect body position to get comfortable shots off. The shot making is there, but you have to have some sort of creation skill at the next level for that to matter enough. Luckily, this is a draft class where specialists should be valued much higher due to the lack of “franchise altering” talent at the top, and in my honest opinion Smith is one of the best play finishers in the class. That being the case at 6’11 and set to be a 19 y/o rookie should warrant some mid-lottery looks for sure. I have him at 7 on my board.
He’s ahead of Risacher in my opinion. Both hand in hand in terms of long term upside imo, but Smith has more projectable effectiveness if Risacher is going to be as streaky of a shooter as he has been so far before entering the NBA.
The main difference, though, is coming out Jabari was a much better and more consistent defender. Smith still has a good amount of work to do on that side of the ball.
Yeah, I think a one-way Jabari Smith Jr. is a pretty good comparison for Tyler Smith. Unlike Jabari, he just hasn't had the chance to make high-level defensive reps. You pointed this out, as well.
Right now, he's around #13-16 on my big board. Thanks for watching!
Wherever he ends up, it's well deserved. Hard consistent work ethics #prouduncle 💪🏾
He's definitely taken the less traveled road to this point with OTE+G League Ignite and it's paid off so far. Should be a lottery pick.
@@FloorandCeiling He's in the top 20
@FloorandCeiling And you're absolutely right. He kind of went under the radar after OTE. But the scout's eyes have been open and paying attention for awhile
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Excellent Vid
Thank you!
I did not know him and I found him to be an interesting player.
Good coordination and movements for his height, quick shooting from 2 and 3. He can be a 4 with possibilities in the NBA.
Of course, he needs to improve his defense. Actually the Ignite need to hire a defensive coach because the whole team is a defensive disaster.
There are few players Tyler Smith's size with his shooting touch and instincts. I really like him in this area. He has to get a little bit tougher around the basket on both ends of the floor, but his athleticism holds up and he is bound to get stronger in time.
Good mechanics on his shot.
Mobile
Good footwork
Length
Needs to get stronger
Needs to improve his ball handling
Needs to add weight
I can see him coming off of the bench for the Knicks. With further development, I see him as a young Giannis/KD hybrid.
If that’s his outcome, he’d probably end up as the greatest player of all time lol
Toronto Raptors prospect
Let’s see what the Raptors do. They have to build around Scottie now, while also keeping RJ and IQ in mind. With Scottie, you need shooting (so I can see Smith coming in here at the 4) but I also think he benefits from a big who has a presence in the paint. I think they’d be happy with Filipowski, Missi or Smith.
@@FloorandCeiling aside from shooting they also need a backup center. Zach Edey is also a good prospect. But Raps front office would be thrilled to have 6'10 6'11 guys who could space the floor, who could really hoop
@308Karl yeah, agreed. I feel like Edey might be more of a priority for teams who need instant production. I don’t think the Raptors are on that timeline just yet, although they seemingly don’t want to be a bad/tanking team yet.
Plus, there’s some enticing bigs in the 2025 draft too so I wouldn’t mind them targeting a higher upside center then. We’re still some time away from that, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if they loved Khaman Maluach - a 7-foot-1 South Sudanese center with World Cup experience as a 16 y/o who can catch lobs, block shots, and space the floor - next season.
I would love for the Raptors to get him. I see some Chris Bosh
I like that he uses his off hand effectively. He shoots with the right without hesitation. The lefty stroke is very smooth, very similar to Chris Bosh if there’s a comparison to make.
I'm high on Tyler, especially offensively. That's why he's in my lottery. He reminds me of guys like Jabari Smith or Taylor Hendricks with their simple but effective shooting for a big.
There are definite defensive improvements to make, but I think that can be partly attributed to him having played for Overtime Elite (where defense isn't particularly stressed) and now this year's Ignite squad which is also really struggling on that end.
@@FloorandCeilinganother lefty I’m pretty high on that seems to be falling thru the cracks is Justin Edwards from Kentucky. If you have a current report on him, I’d appreciate your outlook👍🏾
@@bronxroots6668I'll have a video on Justin Edwards if he declares for the draft. He's had an interesting season. I think he should declare, but I don't know if it's as foregone of a conclusion as it was at the start of the season since he's had more downs than ups.
I was recently looking at mock draft predictions and saw Tyler at #36 with the Pacers, I think at 19 he has a pretty good start to his game as he enters the NBA, with having help defense glimpses I think he would be a 4 next to likely Isaiah Jackson in the back up front court if in Indy but considering the Pacers are looking to get wings and improve on defense overall if he were to be drafted there he would have to fight for mins in rotation and improve on the defensive reads, etc but sure does show great potential when considering he’s only 19
Another thing that would play in Tyler's favor in Indiana is that Tyrese Haliburton would be there to set him up for really easy buckets. Smith can't really create for himself at this point, and he's really raw on defense, so he needs a couple more years of development but I think he's gonna be a valuable investment for whoever drafts him.
Smith definitely needs to bulk up a bit and improve on defense (the latter seems unlikely while he's on the Ignite). I'll be a little surprised if he goes in the top 25, but he certainly has upside as a 30+ pick that could be realized with further development. Thanks for yet another great breakdown!
Thanks as always! The defense is a tough one because I do think he's improved on the Ignite - at least to an extent - but the entire team is so bad right now with blown rotations, miscommunications, late rotations, etc. that it's almost like they always have to be making up for one mistake and that leads to another with everyone out of sync.
As for top 25, I think it'll be tough for teams after the lottery to ultimately pass on a 6-11 legit shooting big who's athletic, can be effective on a low volume of touches, and has defensive potential (even if it might take a couple more seasons in the G League for him to make those NBA reads on defense).
The Heat would be wise to draft this kid. He fits perfectly alongside with Bam, Jovic, Jaquez, and Tyler
I've seen a few Heat fans want Tyler Smith. I get why. I also think they'd develop him well without expectations of truly contributing as a rookie.
chris bosh 2.0
@@tagabukidako7105 Yep! He definitely plays like Bosh.🤙🏼
I'm hoping he goes to okc
Man I would love to pick Ryan Dunn
Check out my video on him.
I see kind of a Lauri Markenen to his game
Yeah, I agree with you there. I think he has that same sort of easy shooting game for a big that's much better when he's being set up effectively.
Reminds a litle bit of jabari smith and jontay porter
I see a lot of Jabari Smith in Tyler Smith offensively, but he's behind defensively. Despite that, Smith is still around the late lottery on my personal big board. Thanks for watching!
@@FloorandCeiling for our Indiana pick (Raptors) It could be a good option. Also Ryan dunn or kel el ware
@@ignaciougarterebollo1582I'd like Dunn or Smith for the Raps more because I have no concerns about their motor, whereas Ware's can really fluctuate.
I also think Toronto's rebuild is (or should be) long-term enough to the point where they should get a big in the 2025 draft, which will have better options imo.
Would be and ideal pick for Knicks!!! Reminds Mikal Bridges a lot.
I’d like him for the Knicks, though I’ll note that Mikal was always much better defensively. Thanks for watching!
@FloorandCeiling It's true, but playing for Thibs would improve Tyler's defensive capabilities drastically. Thank you for kind words anyway!
Do u think he could be a sf in the league?
Lets say he went to the cavs, he could be the sf for the cavs like markkanen was.
Dg
Spida
Smith
Mobley
Allen.
Thoughts?
Yeah, I think Tyler Smith will be able to play the 3, be mostly used at the 4, and maybe get a few reps at the 5. I think he's in the mold of a Lauri or a Naz Reid when it comes to their multipositionality in the frontcourt.
Quality breakdown. Need this kid paired with Ware on the bulls.
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What do you think about G League Ignite in general @FloorandCeiling ?
I think it's been a success, generally speaking. The goal was/is to provide teenage prospects from all over the world with professional opportunities prior to the NBA and then get them drafted into the league.
For the most part, the Ignite has accomplished this. Since its first season in 2020, it's had more lottery picks (4) than any college program if I'm not mistaken. Just last year alone, 4 players (from 4 different countries and paths) were drafted. Even guys who went undrafted like Daishen Nix are still in the NBA.
The fair counterargument is that maybe going to the Ignite has led to some prospects' stock falling. For instance, Jaden Hardy who went #37 in 2022 was probably predicted as a top 10/lottery pick before his season with the Ignite - but it's hard to know if he wouldn't also have struggled in a college setting. The same could be said for Nix or Michael Foster Jr, who was a five-star prospect in high school and then went undrafted before toiling in the G League.
This season, I think what's gone wrong boils down to three things. The first is that the Ignite took on too many young players. Even at the college level, it's practically impossible to be a winning team with eight 18/19-year-olds on the roster. Then, the vets on this Ignite generation have played worse than in previous years - particularly on defense. Finally, the G League is a stronger league now than it was when Jalen Green or Jonathan Kuminga were on the Ignite. The money went up, more first-year draft picks are consistently in the league, and NBA teams are fleshing out legitimately strong rosters in the G League. When all of this happens, and the Ignite maybe rolls out a team with London Johnson/Ron Holland/Matas Buzelis/Izan Almansa all on the floor, it's just tough.
@@FloorandCeiling Interesting, thank you for your thorough response. But I think G-Ignite is not a good place to learn the fundamentals. I mean look at Jalen Green for example, despite being really talented he still couldn't make his all-star break in his 3rd year. I envision something like Euroleague teams having their U-18 or U-21 teams, simply in there to learn the fundamentals instead of "ballin". But I'm not sure how that would work in NBA's drafting system.
I still think drafted role players should be sent to Europe and get discipline and fundamentals rather than sent down to G-Leauge, since everyone just tries to put a show in there.
@@rep227 It's tough too because, even though I think Ignite has generally done well to develop players (Leonard Miller and Sidy Cissoko recently are good examples and I think they're doing pretty good with Ron Holland this season as well), there are also further contextual things in the NBA which can be problematic.
Like with Jalen Green, he played for two seasons on a Houston team that wasn't learning how to "win" at all. Only this year has he significantly improved on defense - and now we're starting to see improvements as a passer, as well.
I'm still confident he's going to be an all-star in the future, but yeah maybe those areas could've been drilled in more with the G League Ignite. I could argue something similar for how Scoot Henderson has struggled finishing at the rim in the NBA so far, but he's also just a rookie and point guard might be the toughest position in the league so it's a complex issue that might not solely be on the Ignite, the player, his NBA team, etc.
Like you're saying, I do think the prospects who have the highest feel for the game right now - generally speaking - are not coming out of the US. The NBA and basketball as a whole are more international than ever. Even this year, the top 3 picks could be Zaccharie Risacher, Alex Sarr, and Nikola Topic in some order, and none of them come from a traditional American background which has historically been the most successful in the NBA. Personally, I think this is a great thing.
@@FloorandCeiling I'm a Rockets fan and Jalen Green developed bad habits under Silas and developed no understanding of the game, with your turn my turn plays.
Green is super talented but it's either Silas or G-League or both gave him bad habits.
He has a killer first step but the guy does not even know how to control his pace, hence he keeps losing the ball on drives and despite being talented he often just flails the ball to the rim on driving layups. That's what you expect from rookie roleplayers not an atlethic NBA player with flashes of a star.
I think Udoka didn't bench him too much so his trade value doesn't plummet, but damn you have no idea how frustrating it was to watch him fail since we all know he actually has talent but can't use it.
I don't think G-Ignite is that negative but it's enough to make these great prospects late bloomers. I also think Scoot will be a late bloomer too, especially since PG position is hard to figure out.
Solid channel btw, subscribed.
The idea of sending drafted role players to Europe to learn fundamentals is interesting, but not possible.
European teams play in open leagues where they are in danger of being relegated to the second division, so they are not going to run the risk of having inexperienced players (from the NBA) to develop for the benefit of those players and the NBA and not the European teams.
Such a model could be possible, although it would not be easy to implement, in closed leagues (no promotion or relegation) such as the Australian NBL.
Once and again it is defense that will make the money for such talent as he his. His needs to be much more aggressive! If done, he will be a starter in 3 years. If not he will be a 8th, 9th player his whole carrier.
Defense needs to come along big time, but he hasn’t been in defense heavy environments yet. On offense, I’m a big believer in Tyler Smith. It’s why I currently have him in my lottery. Has similarities to Jabari Smith Jr. on that end.
He will be a good defender if a team needs him to be right now he's focus on being a offensive threat if he gets drafted to a team that's more defense than offense he'll most likely develop into a 6'11 3&D player cause dude has good foot work to become a good defensive player
He'd look good in orlando backing up Paulo
Orlando needs shooting and guys who can be effective off the ball. Smith fits those traits, but with such a young team, I wonder if the Magic might look to target more of an older or readymade prospect.
@@FloorandCeiling they probably will sign someone that fits that billing as well. But I don't think they are looking to speed up their time-line at all. But we'll see
Is Smith a candidate for a ny knicks draft pick?
He could be, but let’s see what the Knicks do with their picks first. They might still move them. I like Ryan Dunn for the Knicks, as well.
He reminds me of Trey Murphy
I really like this comp. Thanks for watching!
That's what I was thinking!
Do you see a world where he could be like Lauri Markkanen?
Yeah, definitely. I think one of the most important things about Lauri's game is that he's so much more efficient when he's being set up and working out of 1-2 dribbles, rather than having to create for himself all of the time.
He had to do that more with Utah this past season and it led to mixed results, which was fine given the team's state and how it can continue helping Markkanen's development.
With Smith, the idea should be (and I think already is) the same. Reduce his touches and keep him as a play finisher. He figured that out well with the G League Ignite, but he's still lagging behind defensively. But yeah, he should be watching Lauri or even Chris Bosh tape.
@@FloorandCeiling this past season Lauri was assisted on a higher percentage of shots than he was last season (over 98% of his threes were assisted). It’s even high compared to the rest of his career. I think in Utah, he’s just getting more touches and has the highest usage he’s had since his second season. He’s hyper efficient too, so it’s not bad. Smith is behind on defense, but we’ve seen guys improve on that end over time in the league. I’m not saying it’s guaranteed, but he’s also not a finished product. In this draft, if there’s someone that might have Lauri-like potential, I think he should get more attention.
Do you also think it’s possible to experiment with him at the 3 the same way it’s done with Lauri at times? I’ve been trying to get a good feel of his type of athleticism and movement. That’s part of why the Lauri comp is interesting to me. The idea of a jumbo combo forward is a bit more interesting than the idea of a combo big (especially now that he’s actually been measuring to be 6’9”)
Future cav?
Really hard to predict what the Cavs are gonna do now that they let go of JB Bickerstaff, Donovan Mitchell’s future is in the air to an extent, and moves could be made around Jarrett Allen.
Looks like Patrick Baldwin
Better size, significantly more athleticism, and more versatile shotmaker imo
When you look at film of Smith
You will notice
At times he looks one demential
Offensive he is a pop and shoot player. Not many drives and kicks and not creative offense for teammates
What position is he - on offense and whom can he cover on defense ? Intriguing mismatch because of his heigh. But primarily he plays outside of the paint by the 3 point line
He does not play up to his 6-10 height
He fails to fight for rebound
He will get the ones that fall into his hands
On defense he will not challenge opponents in the paint
He can’t switch and cover smaller quicker player outside - they will beat him and he is slow to recover
Not an NBA starter. Good rotational player off the bench
Seems to fit in with the Miami Heat offensive mismatch system
Draft pick 16 or higher
I agree with some of the improvement points you brought up, namely his defense (this is Tyler's biggest area of growth) and his rebounding (I think he's gotten better over the year, but he can leverage his size better).
Still, I think both of these areas are improvable. The defense in particular is learnable since he's coming from two environments in Overtime Elite and this year's G League Ignite where that side of the ball isn't exactly a point of emphasis.
On offense though, I'm much higher on him than you are. He has parallels to Jabari Smith or Taylor Hendricks with his easy pull-up game as a big, but with how he can also punish mismatches on the inside. Even if Tyler isn't overly physical, he can use his size to post-up a bit or just shoot over the top. Right now, I have him in the lottery.
Future okc thunder
I think OKC typically wants prospects who are able to make more+quicker decisions with the ball.
Sixers?
Philly's roster is wide open outside of Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey. Ricky Council will be there next season too and he looked good late in his rookie year, but he's not really a long-term piece.
I wouldn't mind this pick for the Sixers, mostly because I'm fairly high on Smith. However, I just feel like Daryl Morey and the Sixers front office doesn't really care about drafting young prospects right now. They will if they have to, but it seems mostly as trade assets rather than foundational pieces.
He doesn't need to create for himself, he just needs to run with Giannis -- Brook and Bobby is too slow.
Yeah, I like this fit for the Bucks a lot with Tyler Smith. I think learning from Brook Lopez will help Tyler too, even if he’s not a center, in terms of defensive reads and rebounding.
It’s interesting that Milwaukee went with two long term projects in Smith and AJ Johnson though.
He's perfect 4 the bucks
I think he should be available right around the end of that range, but #23 might be cutting it close.
No one wants a PF who doesn’t rebound. Nothing here talks about his strength and dominance off the boards. Also you don’t hear anything about him being a rim protector.
He needs to improve his rebounding and defense, which I brought up in the video and you also mentioned. Thing is, he hasn't really been in great contexts yet for that development after coming through Overtime Elite and then spending a year with objectively the worst G League Ignite team ever on defense.
To me Tyler Smith could potentially be that 6th man of the year candidate several times in his career bcuz he is so unselfish he came to the Ignite knowing his role on the team he doesnt need to shine 100% of the time he is content wit not being that #1 guy ie Andre Iguodala Jamal Crawford Lou Williams
What you're getting at is that Tyler Smith knows how to play a role and that he understands how to play within himself to the benefit of his squad, so I agree with that.
Now, he needs to expand his defensive awareness and ability. I don't have too many massive concerns offensively, even if he is a little bit one note.
@@FloorandCeiling EXACTLY wen I 1st started covering the Ignite I seen how he was so relaxed wit his game he wasnt egotistical he wasnt selfishly looking to take over everything and honestly I see his defense being better than his offense but both can be worked on at the next level
Let’s knicks
Solid, but would really need to improve on defense to get playing time. I see the Knicks going for an older prospect.