Eliott was right, she is the Doctor. She is in charge. Carla is just the nurse, true she has experience. But when it comes down to it, Eliott is in charge.
also like the show demonstrates the Nurses have more experience in the beginning of the relationship but as the young doctor learn they eventually have to catch up.
@JohnSmith-xp9gr she was right the very first time. She did take charge, Carla's ego got in the way and could've killed the patient. So tell me how it's elliots fault again ?
Even if that is true it was better than what Carla prescribed simply based on the fact that her original concern ended up being correct. She said she was worried the patient would have a reaction and so went with an alternative that she felt was safer. What Carla should have done was recommend an alternative to Elliot's alternative that would still knock the patient out but also address the issue of the reaction.
@@themaverick6269 Alright we're about to enter the super mega nit-pick zone TL;DR - Just because her prediction was correct doesn't make her rational correct. Okay in medicine there is a saying "when you hear hooves, think horses not zebras" Just because her concern ended up being correct doesn't mean her logic about the concern was sound. Don't misunderstand. Maybe haloperidol is the only sedative that would have been appropriate for this patient. But there is actually very little that she could have known directly to let her believe that especially when haloperidol isn't usually used as a sedative. There are at least 3-4 different drugs one should pick before deciding on haloperidol. In fact arguably there is only one person who could have had the experience to make that judgement call and say haloperidol right away and that is "maybe" anesthesiology consultant. Maybe Carla should have been more suggestive, but it's actually somewhat debatable as to whether Carla was being suggestive or combative despite being a forceful personality didn't convince elliot immediately. The rationale that actually generally Benzodiazapines are used and are pretty good, is paraphrasing what is actually medical consensus. Medical Professionals discussing which drugs should be prescribed is actually a very important part of patient care; if a nurse or pharmacist disagrees with the choice of treatment, then there is an ethical requirement for that thing to be discussed with the physician.
@@sarsaparillagorilla441 "when you hear hooves, think horses not zebras". So, but what if, you are in africa? Would it not be safer to think about zebras or camels instead of horses? So is the reasoning "sometimes with benzos older people have a bad reaction" really that bad on this particular field?
To be honest you're both right and it really depends on what information Elliot had about the patient that made her feel haloperidol was the better choice. We might not know what she knew offscreen. Maybe a bad reaction was particularly dangerous to this patient.
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Eliott was right, she is the Doctor. She is in charge. Carla is just the nurse, true she has experience. But when it comes down to it, Eliott is in charge.
Yeah and yet nurses get in trouble for not speaking up if *doctors* make bad decisions
Carla is the nurse not Just the nurse……
also like the show demonstrates the Nurses have more experience in the beginning of the relationship but as the young doctor learn they eventually have to catch up.
@JohnSmith-xp9gr she was right the very first time. She did take charge, Carla's ego got in the way and could've killed the patient. So tell me how it's elliots fault again ?
Super nitpick: Carla was right no one uses haloperidol as a sedative. Benzodiazepines are first choice in treatment
Even if that is true it was better than what Carla prescribed simply based on the fact that her original concern ended up being correct. She said she was worried the patient would have a reaction and so went with an alternative that she felt was safer. What Carla should have done was recommend an alternative to Elliot's alternative that would still knock the patient out but also address the issue of the reaction.
@@themaverick6269 Alright we're about to enter the super mega nit-pick zone TL;DR - Just because her prediction was correct doesn't make her rational correct.
Okay in medicine there is a saying "when you hear hooves, think horses not zebras" Just because her concern ended up being correct doesn't mean her logic about the concern was sound. Don't misunderstand. Maybe haloperidol is the only sedative that would have been appropriate for this patient. But there is actually very little that she could have known directly to let her believe that especially when haloperidol isn't usually used as a sedative. There are at least 3-4 different drugs one should pick before deciding on haloperidol. In fact arguably there is only one person who could have had the experience to make that judgement call and say haloperidol right away and that is "maybe" anesthesiology consultant.
Maybe Carla should have been more suggestive, but it's actually somewhat debatable as to whether Carla was being suggestive or combative despite being a forceful personality didn't convince elliot immediately. The rationale that actually generally Benzodiazapines are used and are pretty good, is paraphrasing what is actually medical consensus.
Medical Professionals discussing which drugs should be prescribed is actually a very important part of patient care; if a nurse or pharmacist disagrees with the choice of treatment, then there is an ethical requirement for that thing to be discussed with the physician.
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@@sarsaparillagorilla441 "when you hear hooves, think horses not zebras". So, but what if, you are in africa? Would it not be safer to think about zebras or camels instead of horses?
So is the reasoning "sometimes with benzos older people have a bad reaction" really that bad on this particular field?
To be honest you're both right and it really depends on what information Elliot had about the patient that made her feel haloperidol was the better choice. We might not know what she knew offscreen. Maybe a bad reaction was particularly dangerous to this patient.
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