I moved from Santa Cruz to Richmond VA. Bought a house with a 70 foot tall Tulip Poplar shading a portion of the house during the most important part of the year. It has a healed lightning strike. I love them, but my horticulture and arborist friends do not. They all say the TP sucks up too much ground water. They are a bit messy after blooming, but I leave my leaves & litter, mow them up to add to the humus. I even transplant volunteers to other areas. No scale problems on the TP's. Probably because there are so many Crape Myrtles around, preferred host of the scale beast. I treat that with a hose end sprayer full of Dawn & Neem. Works like a charm.
Here in northern Missouri they grow very similarly to pin oaks. They have one leader and grow very tall and straight when young. As the tree ages it spreads out a bit, but never becomes a truly wide spreading tree. Don’t know much about scale. Never encountered it personally.
State Tree of Tennessee, Kentucky, and Indiana. It grows tall and straight in Tennessee and typically does not have an overly wide spreading crown. Thanks for sharing, always enjoy watching your videos and learning!
That tree had been excessively pruned/topped at some point. Tulip poplar generally wants to grow tall and straight. In areas with large amounts of sunlight they tend to grow much larger branches and develop a little more of a crown. In forested areas they are typically toothpicks. Frequently grow as codominants as well.
Tulip poplar do pretty well in WV. Normally long lived 70’ shade provider. See a few get in trouble occasionally. Once the crown shows dieback, the tree usually succumbs to the pathogen within a year.
As always, thanks for your knowledge and insight. Funny that one of the things that initially attracted me to tree work (besides the physicality of climbing) was the idea of systemic injections as a proactive way of 'treating' the tree. Have been with a well known, large scale company for the past 5 years plus and have done 100's of injections. What I would recommend, if possible, is a systemic soil drench. Much less invasive and still has decent efficacy.
Along with wounds to the tree, I wonder about the wisdom of applying a systemic insecticide to a tree with prominent, insect-pollinated flowers. If they time that incorrectly (or apply incorrect amounts) it could decimate bees, wasps and other pollinators in the area.
We just call them "poplar" trees in my part of Tennessee. They are tall and straight with limbs mostly at the top. They seem to live forever -- hardly ever see one dead.
I grew up in MS and these trees grew there; tall straight trunks with kind of a high canopy. I wasn’t sure at first whether you were referring to a tulip magnolia or a tulip poplar, both of which are commonly referred to as tulip trees.
Couple thoughts…injection sites shown in video are incorrectly placed in these specimen and to shallow. Also it looks like that cracking occurred possibly because pressure was used to inject - as in air pressure. I am not advocating injections but as a trained plant physiologist I know that injections are often administered incorrectly. If used correctly - they can be extremely effective. Successful injection depend on many factors often ignored to accommodate quota and financial consideration. Factors influencing success can be species dependent, time of day, abiotic or biotic stress factors as in drought stress, many aspects to consider…it takes a long time to get really good at it…thanks for you highlighting this…as always a true pleasure!
Every once in a while here in Tennessee we will remove one because of Sooty mold . Which has something to do with an aphid infestation and honeydew . But basically the whole tree will be covered with black dust like mold and thousands of bees will be swarming around it but they won’t sting you . Kinda rare but that’s the only problem I’ve came across with them . Maybe the cold winters keep the problem you guys have away .🤷🏻♂️
Here in east Tennessee, I haven't seen a scale problem. I have several that I set out a little over thirty years ago and have let them grow naturally and have only trimmed the lower limbs as they die off.
I think ti mentioned the problem.. here in Sussex South Coast of England I have worked on 2 tulips one is on my UA-cam shorts is 30 ft the other is 60 both great shape and no signs of deterioration
Blair Do you remember back in the early 90s I think it was when blocks and blocks of these city trees had to be cut down in Willow Glenn due to the sticky sappy mess. You would stick to the sidewalk and street just walking. It was so sad and so bare for years after we cut them down. The city made a huge mistake planting many blocks of these as the street line tree. They sure were beautiful before the scale though!
@@arboristBlairGlenn in Hollister, there is one near me. It's tall and beautiful. I didn't know they have sticky/scale problems. Ours does very well. Perhaps the daily coastal winds help to keep it healthy .
HI, Blair. Our public school year is over and I am not at the High School in my capacity as a full-time sub. It feels odd being home at this hour...9:00 AM...lol..! Anyway....I grabbed my Trees of Arkansas book and looked up that Tulip tree, the same one you showed us. It says that in the U.S.: " New England west to southern Michigan, through southeastern Missouri and eastern Arkansas to northern Florida." And is known to grow up to 150 feet tall. So yep, apparently not native to California. It also says that the Tulip tree is part of the Magnolia Family....interesting.
It’s a softer hardwood that I feel isn’t very structurally sound… They have some yellow and purple hues to the wood and I think they make some nice trim pieces in woodwork. I’ve seen them in the piedmont areas of the southeast and into the appalachians… western North Carolina has numerous old growth groves however Joyce Kilmer had a tornado that took out many beasts in the early 2000’s
Tulip trees are very prominent in places like the Great Smoky Mt. National Park. They grow straight and they get huge. I have a picture with my son standing in front of a huge, 600 year old tree in the park, on the trail to Ramsey's Cascade. They grow huge in areas with colder winters and lots of moisture. . I'll send you a picture via your email. Blair, the picture has been sent via my Ruthless Reviews email.
@@arboristBlairGlenn Yes you do 😎 We were in The Great Smoky Mts. Nat. Park hiking to Ramsey's Cascade. This was a strenuous hike of 10+ miles up a mountain. I was 65 at the time. Now 75 and my son is 53.
I grew up in the N.C. Smokies and this happy tree is my favorite tree--Happier in the forest-There are famously some gigantic ancient ones in the Joyce Kilmer Forest in extreme W N.C. I never saw any bugs or disease in the happy forest trees. Neighbor had one about 84 inches dbh-
Not the native environment but they grow well in the PNW when they have adequate space. They tend to grow straight and tall here too, I haven't seen issues with scale, but aphids LOVE them. The trees don't seem to have a problem, but it does get messy underneath them. I don't typically recommend pesticides, but an application of imidicloprid to the roots is effective.
They generally grow like a telephone pole tall and straight even planted in the open they can spread out some in the open but never much more than say 20-25 ft compared to say an oak or a maple that in open space will become 80ft wide or something. Also typically grows in wet bottoms and valleys, moist places, they love water like a willow they'll start dropping leaves if it gets dry for a few weeks. Of course any major pruning will change the shape and they commonly will stump sprout even large ones that are cut down
I'm always a big advocate on planting only native trees and shrubs to your region there not native to Wisconsin either were just a little bit to north and west of there native range were zone four and five.
I'm not convinced with tree injections either. I think how fast they inject the stuff might also matter, as the pressure alone could cause internal cracks, cambium separation, etc. But what mostly worries me is the pesticide use. Systemic pesticides go all over the tree. That includes the fruit that wildlife eats, the leaves that drop, etc. Is that healthy? Is that not also killing the insects that eat scale like ladybirds? It can quickly become a vicious cycle (or a virtuous one if you're selling the injections). I would try radial trenching to decompact the soil and to add the right soil amendments according to a leaf test. If that doesn't work then I'd recommend cutting it down and re-planting like you said. But with climate change I see unhealthy trees becoming a much bigger problem, so maybe we should just learn to live with a bit of tree disease. In 15-20 years, Tulip trees in colder climates will probably have the temps california has today. A high-tech solution would be to use genetic markers to accelerate new cultivars of tulip trees more resistant to higher temps. They are doing something similar in europe to find ash trees naturally resistant to ash dieback so they can breed them. Basically there are some genes that make them naturally resistant to ash dieback, so they can test trees of any age, collect a large population of resistant individuals and then breed them so they maintain good genetic diversity, as some of those mutations might make them resistant to future diseases.
Here in NE TN the Poplars grow tall and straight. I have a couple on my property that are 100'+. Tall! No signs of die back. Healthy so far. That tree in your video needs eliminating....in bad shape.
@@arboristBlairGlenn Of course I do not prune trees with spurs. As a matter of fact I avoid pruning. I'm nearly 78 (two weeks) and need spurs to climb (I love working trees). IF a customer wants a couple hazardous limbs down...say from a thick barked tree...I will explain the NO spurs practice of pruning, and if they say go ahead anyways, I will prune it.
I moved from Santa Cruz to Richmond VA. Bought a house with a 70 foot tall Tulip Poplar shading a portion of the house during the most important part of the year. It has a healed lightning strike. I love them, but my horticulture and arborist friends do not. They all say the TP sucks up too much ground water. They are a bit messy after blooming, but I leave my leaves & litter, mow them up to add to the humus. I even transplant volunteers to other areas.
No scale problems on the TP's. Probably because there are so many Crape Myrtles around, preferred host of the scale beast.
I treat that with a hose end sprayer full of Dawn & Neem. Works like a charm.
Here in northern Missouri they grow very similarly to pin oaks. They have one leader and grow very tall and straight when young. As the tree ages it spreads out a bit, but never becomes a truly wide spreading tree. Don’t know much about scale. Never encountered it personally.
State Tree of Tennessee, Kentucky, and Indiana. It grows tall and straight in Tennessee and typically does not have an overly wide spreading crown. Thanks for sharing, always enjoy watching your videos and learning!
That tree had been excessively pruned/topped at some point.
Tulip poplar generally wants to grow tall and straight. In areas with large amounts of sunlight they tend to grow much larger branches and develop a little more of a crown. In forested areas they are typically toothpicks. Frequently grow as codominants as well.
I have several in my forest in northern Ohio. Theyre very tall and straight. Like a telephone pole.
Tulip poplar do pretty well in WV. Normally long lived 70’ shade provider. See a few get in trouble occasionally. Once the crown shows dieback, the tree usually succumbs to the pathogen within a year.
As always, thanks for your knowledge and insight.
Funny that one of the things that initially attracted me to tree work (besides the physicality of climbing) was the idea of systemic injections as a proactive way of 'treating' the tree.
Have been with a well known, large scale company for the past 5 years plus and have done 100's of injections.
What I would recommend, if possible, is a systemic soil drench.
Much less invasive and still has decent efficacy.
Someone hacked (topped) those Tulip Poplars you're dealing with. They grow straight & tall when allowed to.
Along with wounds to the tree, I wonder about the wisdom of applying a systemic insecticide to a tree with prominent, insect-pollinated flowers. If they time that incorrectly (or apply incorrect amounts) it could decimate bees, wasps and other pollinators in the area.
We just call them "poplar" trees in my part of Tennessee. They are tall and straight with limbs mostly at the top. They seem to live forever -- hardly ever see one dead.
I have tulip poplars, very straight and tall with spring blooms that smell wonderful. I have never seen the scale. Live in Virginia.
I grew up in MS and these trees grew there; tall straight trunks with kind of a high canopy. I wasn’t sure at first whether you were referring to a tulip magnolia or a tulip poplar, both of which are commonly referred to as tulip trees.
Couple thoughts…injection sites shown in video are incorrectly placed in these specimen and to shallow. Also it looks like that cracking occurred possibly because pressure was used to inject - as in air pressure. I am not advocating injections but as a trained plant physiologist I know that injections are often administered incorrectly. If used correctly - they can be extremely effective. Successful injection depend on many factors often ignored to accommodate quota and financial consideration. Factors influencing success can be species dependent, time of day, abiotic or biotic stress factors as in drought stress, many aspects to consider…it takes a long time to get really good at it…thanks for you highlighting this…as always a true pleasure!
They have such beautiful flowers in Palo alto California neighborhoods.
I was pruning with a pole pruner and tipped a face full of flower nectar on me! Sweet but sticky stuff.
I wouldn't have thought people would grow Tulip Trees in California, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Great tree, just not over there.
Common but problems are too much
In RI they grow very large. Very messy as well, almost to the point that their seed pods make them invasive
Every once in a while here in Tennessee we will remove one because of Sooty mold . Which has something to do with an aphid infestation and honeydew . But basically the whole tree will be covered with black dust like mold and thousands of bees will be swarming around it but they won’t sting you . Kinda rare but that’s the only problem I’ve came across with them . Maybe the cold winters keep the problem you guys have away .🤷🏻♂️
We also get the aphid problem but the tree generally tolerates them. Scale can kill the tree.
Here in east Tennessee, I haven't seen a scale problem. I have several that I set out a little over thirty years ago and have let them grow naturally and have only trimmed the lower limbs as they die off.
That is the best way. Allow them to grow naturally.
I think ti mentioned the problem.. here in Sussex South Coast of England I have worked on 2 tulips one is on my UA-cam shorts is 30 ft the other is 60 both great shape and no signs of deterioration
Blair Do you remember back in the early 90s I think it was when blocks and blocks of these city trees had to be cut down in Willow Glenn due to the sticky sappy mess. You would stick to the sidewalk and street just walking. It was so sad and so bare for years after we cut them down. The city made a huge mistake planting many blocks of these as the street line tree. They sure were beautiful before the scale though!
Yes, I remember. We also removed a lot of them in Campbell for the same reason. A sticky tree is not a fun removal.
I hope the municipalities leaned not to overplant a single species when they replaced them.
@@arboristBlairGlenn in Hollister, there is one near me. It's tall and beautiful. I didn't know they have sticky/scale problems. Ours does very well. Perhaps the daily coastal winds help to keep it healthy .
HI, Blair. Our public school year is over and I am not at the High School in my capacity as a full-time sub. It feels odd being home at this hour...9:00 AM...lol..!
Anyway....I grabbed my Trees of Arkansas book and looked up that Tulip tree, the same one you showed us. It says that in the U.S.: " New England west to southern Michigan, through southeastern Missouri and eastern Arkansas to northern Florida." And is known to grow up to 150 feet tall. So yep, apparently not native to California.
It also says that the Tulip tree is part of the Magnolia Family....interesting.
We have different varieties of magnolia here and some are attacked by scale as well.
That's my favorite tree!
It’s a softer hardwood that I feel isn’t very structurally sound… They have some yellow and purple hues to the wood and I think they make some nice trim pieces in woodwork. I’ve seen them in the piedmont areas of the southeast and into the appalachians… western North Carolina has numerous old growth groves however Joyce Kilmer had a tornado that took out many beasts in the early 2000’s
Tulip trees are very prominent in places like the Great Smoky Mt. National Park. They grow straight and they get huge. I have a picture with my son standing in front of a huge, 600 year old tree in the park, on the trail to Ramsey's Cascade. They grow huge in areas with colder winters and lots of moisture. . I'll send you a picture via your email. Blair, the picture has been sent via my Ruthless Reviews email.
Got the photo. You and your son? So now I have an image of the goat😊👍🏻
@@arboristBlairGlenn Yes you do 😎 We were in The Great Smoky Mts. Nat. Park hiking to Ramsey's Cascade. This was a strenuous hike of 10+ miles up a mountain. I was 65 at the time. Now 75 and my son is 53.
I grew up in the N.C. Smokies and this happy tree is my favorite tree--Happier in the forest-There are famously some gigantic ancient ones in the Joyce Kilmer Forest in extreme W N.C. I never saw any bugs or disease in the happy forest trees. Neighbor had one about 84 inches dbh-
Very healthy here in MI; I was unaware of scale with Tulips. They’re some of the tallest trees in the wild here.
Check this out. ua-cam.com/video/6oV-00WiyYU/v-deo.htmlsi=5FfS6uvagBvKHE8K
Not the native environment but they grow well in the PNW when they have adequate space. They tend to grow straight and tall here too, I haven't seen issues with scale, but aphids LOVE them. The trees don't seem to have a problem, but it does get messy underneath them. I don't typically recommend pesticides, but an application of imidicloprid to the roots is effective.
Seems like a soul drench is the best
Tall, straight and healthy in New York state. Big for most yards, not well suited to suburbia. Well suited to country properties or forest land.
Often planted as street trees but since the scale problem, not acceptable any more.
They generally grow like a telephone pole tall and straight even planted in the open they can spread out some in the open but never much more than say 20-25 ft compared to say an oak or a maple that in open space will become 80ft wide or something. Also typically grows in wet bottoms and valleys, moist places, they love water like a willow they'll start dropping leaves if it gets dry for a few weeks. Of course any major pruning will change the shape and they commonly will stump sprout even large ones that are cut down
Where do you live?
@@arboristBlairGlenn Michigan the northern extent of the poplars range
A member of the magnolia family and an early producer of nectar.
I was getting nectar rain on me while using the pole pruner
Here is one my really old videos on the scale problem
ua-cam.com/video/6oV-00WiyYU/v-deo.htmlsi=5FfS6uvagBvKHE8K
I'm in Western Massachusetts and they grow tall and straight. No scale that I know of.
ua-cam.com/video/6oV-00WiyYU/v-deo.htmlsi=kiS9CuInpmCt7u8-
That burl😍
Looks like fun to dig up! :)
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You must be a turner
I'm always a big advocate on planting only native trees and shrubs to your region there not native to Wisconsin either were just a little bit to north and west of there native range were zone four and five.
I'm not convinced with tree injections either. I think how fast they inject the stuff might also matter, as the pressure alone could cause internal cracks, cambium separation, etc. But what mostly worries me is the pesticide use. Systemic pesticides go all over the tree. That includes the fruit that wildlife eats, the leaves that drop, etc. Is that healthy? Is that not also killing the insects that eat scale like ladybirds? It can quickly become a vicious cycle (or a virtuous one if you're selling the injections).
I would try radial trenching to decompact the soil and to add the right soil amendments according to a leaf test. If that doesn't work then I'd recommend cutting it down and re-planting like you said. But with climate change I see unhealthy trees becoming a much bigger problem, so maybe we should just learn to live with a bit of tree disease. In 15-20 years, Tulip trees in colder climates will probably have the temps california has today. A high-tech solution would be to use genetic markers to accelerate new cultivars of tulip trees more resistant to higher temps. They are doing something similar in europe to find ash trees naturally resistant to ash dieback so they can breed them. Basically there are some genes that make them naturally resistant to ash dieback, so they can test trees of any age, collect a large population of resistant individuals and then breed them so they maintain good genetic diversity, as some of those mutations might make them resistant to future diseases.
Very intelligent comment. Thanks for your contribution.
No problems with scale that ive seen in new England
I believe it might have been over treated
Every year for three years
Here in NE TN the Poplars grow tall and straight. I have a couple on my property that are 100'+. Tall! No signs of die back. Healthy so far. That tree in your video needs eliminating....in bad shape.
Hope you don’t prune trees with spurs
@@arboristBlairGlenn Of course I do not prune trees with spurs. As a matter of fact I avoid pruning. I'm nearly 78 (two weeks) and need spurs to climb (I love working trees). IF a customer wants a couple hazardous limbs down...say from a thick barked tree...I will explain the NO spurs practice of pruning, and if they say go ahead anyways, I will prune it.
@@havespurswillclimb I have seen spur damage that transferred infections from the spurs. 78? Us old guys keeping on