How to Make Soft Pastels from dust, crumbles or pure pigment
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Make your own pastels from saved pastel dust as it falls on the easel and/or combine with pastel ground you can purchase .. it's PURE PIGMENT.
Here's the link to the instructions and supplies: userfiles.faso.us/94112/18270...
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00:00 Introduction
01:05 Tools & Supplies
04:34 Process #1: Grind & Blend Dust Well
06:27 Process #2: Add Dust & Binding Liquids
07:18 Process #3: Cut & Blend into a Consistent Paste
08:54 Process #4: Shape Paste into Sticks
10:19 Process #5: Allow Sticks to DRY before using
10:57 Testing New Pastel Sticks on Sanded Paper
12:08 Comment Below to Receive SUPPLY LIST & INSTRUCTIONS on .pdf
Doesn't look as scary as I thought it would. I feel like I'm ready to try making my own pastels now. Thanks for sharing this great information.
YAY, Marianne! I'm sure it will go well. I put it off for ages and finally just jumped in. Do check out the link to the info sheets in the description above. I'd love to know how it goes for you.
Great tutorial. I started with blending on a flat palette like you show here, then I heard of a fabulous trick that saves a lot of time and effort - blend pigment and water/binder in a small jar with a popsicle stick or other tool. The source where I read this was using baby food jars, but those are hard to come by these days. I ordered a bunch of 2 oz jars and they work great. You can set up tints and shades very easily this way too by adding black and white to your base color. You can shake them with the lid on to blend different pigment powders before you start mixing, which is also a huge time saver and helps consistency. You can still knead it by hand if you like once the dough forms.
What a great approach, Jenn. Thanks for sharing this!
It helps to have champagne chalk for harder pigments because that helps to make the pastels easier to work with. Some pigments seem to make hard little rocks. Also, you might try dissolving some borax in the water or alcohol and it may help to keep mold at bay. I like making pastels in the summer months.
Excellent suggestions, Artistpw!! THANK YOU! I do often add some pumice powder to keep those "rock hard" pure pastel sticks more workable. I've been learning a lot by experimenting so your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I plan to make an updated video sometime and will refer to some of the wonderful suggestions I have received and credit the artists who have shared them. The BORAX is excellent!
I too think summer (a NOT windy day) is great for making pastels outside.
This was a wonderful video! So much better than some others on here!
Thank you, Looma! I keep trying to improve them so they're clear and succinct.
Hoping and planning to make a new video soon .. update some aspects. I've learned so much!
Wow, great video and I love your production. Well done.
Monet Cafe' with Artist Susan Jenkins Thank you Susan! A wonderful compliment coming from you! I keep working to improve. And your videos are some of my best inspirations!
Terrilynn Dubreuil I can’t remember if I have ask you if you are part of our Facebook group, “Monet Café art group“?
@@monetcafe Yes I am .. thanks!
Very well delivered. I think I can try it now with my pastel dust. Thank you!
Yes, Eva! Let me know how it goes. So nice to be able to use the dust. Do check the description that has links to a couple .pdf sheets with info.
So wonderful! I am excited about making my own pastels now! How can I get a list of supplies needed? Thank you!
Throughly enjoyed this video! Love the idea of creating pastels👌✌️❤️
Easy to understand,thank you Terrilynn
Wow, this was absolutely amazing! Thank you!
You're so welcome! I’d love to hear about what you create!
Great❤
Thanks! This winter I plan to make an updated version!
This is great thanks Terrilynn, you have inspired me to try this out!
I’d love to hear about your results!
@@TravelingArtista Great thanks I will let you know how it goes!
Oh I really want to try this using local soils. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I want to do an updated video about that .. just haven't had a chance to fit it in. I have used VERY silty soil (like from settled mud) and that will still result in a Townsend-like grit. I've strained and ground it, etc. Now I'm thinking about floating it and skimming off the most silty of all. Will post when I do .. and would LOVE to hear how you do with it.
I make watercolors out of natural pigments, and I'm trying to expand to other mediums.
Excellent! What is your binder combination? I’d be interested ...
I too make water colours. For me it’s just mulling pigment, gum Arabic, water, and a little drop of honey personally. Alternatively I think I might experiment with xantham gum since it seems cheaper than the gum Arabic I buy.
Thank you
I was trying to look for a video of an actual "How to..."; and not one of those videos when a creator(s) who just talk behind a desk and not show examples. Awful. Thank you for your work, it turned out amazing how well the result where in the end.
Oh, good! Redwolf. So glad it worked for you! Would like to see what you produce: travelingartista@gmail.com
Thank you. Very nice video.
You're welcome. I've learned more in the year and a half since I made this .. planning a follow-up video soon (I hope)
Thank you so much for this video. I plan to make my own pastels too. I want more colours.
You're welcome and Thank you! I also want more colors .. and unique ones. This video is over a year old now and I'm planning an updated one sometime soon (I hope!). Do keep in touch and let me know what your experience is and some of the unusual colors you make! (I have one that is somewhat a ludwig eggplant .. it's so versatile!) Stay dusty!
Thanks for sharing info!
Im going to be doing this for my independent study course at my art college.
Id love to see more from ya!
Excellent. I'd love to see some of your presentation! TravelingArtista@gmail.com I have plans to do an updated video .. (but life has created some speed bumps lately). Keep expeprimenting! Here's another that's interesting: ua-cam.com/video/jJlVHjxk4JM/v-deo.html
Perfect
Thanks. Some adjustments I have learned since making this .. but basically encouraging to do! My own pastels are some of my most used and favorites! I hope you find the same.
hello! thank you so much for this video. I'm currently working on a research paper about natural dyes and pigments and this was very helpful!
Its me:
Thanks for letting me know. Exciting! I would LOVE to read your paper (if possible) when done.
FYI, I also did a follow up video using silt. These videos were done a while back (at the beginning of my video-creations) and I'm hoping to re-do them and make them more clear ... also to include updated info and experience I now have. Here's the link to the other:
ua-cam.com/video/jJlVHjxk4JM/v-deo.html
FYI, one aspect I've considered is that if it's silt - like from mud - then it probably has some organic matter in it (biodegradable) and that could possibly fade over time. Although the insect shells are also organic so ... THAT to me would be a great aspect to check into ...
Pure minerals will not. But .. I'd love to hear if you have any information on that!
Best of luck on the research paper!
Terrilynn TravelingArtista@gmail.com
Ohhh thank you so much for all the additional Information! Sadly, I cant publicly show my work yet (as I am still a student and my school doesn't allow that) but I do hope I'll be able to work with natural dyes and pigments again in the future, it seems like such a great time!!
I also should mention that I'm currently looking into plant pigments, but rock/mineral pigments seem very interesting as well. Thank you so much replying and I hope you have a great day
@@Itsme-sy9hq Wonderful! Best of luck in your research and writing.
Thank you so much!
You're welcome! Did you get to try this?
Sorry your comment fell into a black hole, but I just came across it. Please let me know if it works well for you. I've learned a lot more and hope to make an updated video soon. Stay Dusty1
Thank you ❤️
You’re welcome 😊
This is amazing! I'll definitely try. In Brasil dry pastels are bad quality, ridiculously expensive or both. So this will be super helpful! Thank you =)
I hope so. DO let me know how it turns out. Try keeping track of your process. Who knows? You may start something amazing! There are now a lot of manufacturers in the US and Europe who started as small enterprises. Please let me know!
Where did you bought pigment?
@@sarahhavillamelooliveira5825 … I acquired most of mine from a friend who was retiring from painting pastels. I have bought some in the local art store too.
I’m not sure what country you are in. In the US, there are a few art supply companies who sell them.
Thanks, I don't think any art store in my region really sells this stuff. Maybe hardware store though. I'm in Brazil's midle-sized-city countryside. It's an absolute nightmare trying to find anything near good in art supplies.
@@sarahhavillamelooliveira5825 Can you receive items from Amazon? When I was in Europe, I could. Just trying to think of possibilities. Is shipping reliable? Perhaps connecting with one of the pastel houses ... (I've heard things are tricky in South America for art supplies .. I wanted to help expand societies there .. hablo español y viví en el Ecuador por un rato. Maybe we can figure tings out a bit. Meanwhile, do check this video (and I'm planning to refine the info in another video soon). I've made pastels from silt ... that is very fine dirt. Limited colors but with charcoal you could get a lot of interesting drawings! ua-cam.com/video/jJlVHjxk4JM/v-deo.html ... I have collected new dust on a trip across the country and will be making a new video about it. Your comments will be kept in mind when I do this! Thank you.
Definitely doing this and using my old MAC cosmetics blush pans to cake them in.
Wonderful, Ewa! I love the idea of repurposing the old cosmetic brushes! Would love to see some results .. you can share on my Facebook wall or email: TravelingArtista@gmail.com
I made water color with gum Arabic both ways liquid/ paste and they both work well adding just enough water to mix though it's easier to get into pan although I made oil sticks, since I love those I'll make pastel just need to have patience to mix paste for this!
This is so helpful! I wanted metallic and pearlescent pastels and couldn’t find them. I’m also so interested in making my own from dirt or beautiful ground stones! Thank you!
I'd be fascinated to hear how this goes. What are you planning to use for metallic ground? And if using dirt, I have a couple cautions: be cautious of organic matter in the dirt (I'm sure this will fade over time as a dead leaf does, for example) and have the sand be as fine a silt as possible. My next experiment I'm going to try floating the sand to get the heavier particles out. Pour off the top part and leave the heavy behind. Then perhaps use a cheesecloth to filter out the water and let the silt dry .... (hmmmmm .. always thinking) More gum tragacanth is needed for the sand - but not too much as it will make the pastel harder. Balance! Please share back your experiences. I'm so interested!
Diane Townsend Neon colors, Mount Vision Soft Pastel Set - Iridescent, Set of 15, Sennelier Soft Pastels - Set of 24, Iridescent. These are ALL AMAZING!
@@redgeminiarts3674 thank you- I’ll check them out!
@@TravelingArtista what!?! Do you mean that adding more gum tragacanth will really make the pastel harder??? But what if the goal is the softest of the softest pastels?
@@jaspermartin7444 Personally, I have found that it makes them harder (pure pigment with the gum tragacanth) but it also depends on the pigment, because each pigment has such different properties. Since my experiment here was almost 3 years ago so I'm doing some updated research. I think some people will add precipitated chalk or limestone, which is a soft, fine-grained, white calcium carbonate. Or I found this info: "Hydrated magnesium silicate (talc) is often an ingredient in French pastels. Silicon dioxide (silica) is a similar but more refined filler than calcium carbonate and has even less tincture strength. It’s also available in numerous particle sizes. Fillers are not necessary for pastels, although they can provide smoother blends that artists enjoy." (kurtwenner.com/)
How wonderful is that??? Terrylynn- thank you so much! I would start right away, just need to get the gum. Can' wait ;-)
FYI: IF you are making pastels from dust (that was previously purchased pastel sticks) you do NOT NEED the gum tragacanth .. just some water to help pull it back together. The binder is still in the powder.
@@TravelingArtista Terrilynn, thank you again for that information! Until now, I did not collect the dust yet but will start to do so, when I start the next painting. Brilliant idea that is. I felt always sorry to throw (?) it away. (Sorry about my english, it's not the best)
On pastels I'm a beginner and have a very limited palette.
Ages ago, I started doing my acrylic colors and from that time there are lots of pure pigments left over. Enough to try out how it works and having fun!!!!
@@incojoca I make a small trough ("v" shaped dust catcher" under my artwork. With aluminum foil. Then just tap it off slowly into a jar to use later. Wish I could post a photo here ... (what language do you speak / where are you from?) If you email me, I can send more info: TravelingArtista@gmail.com
@@TravelingArtista :-)Also a brilliant idea! Just some minutes ago I made just a dust catcher with aluminum foil. Not a V beause I use a easle that has an U...never mind, it will work. Thanks for your e-mail, I will contact you soon ♥
Sorry, I know saw the list of all the ingrediens and supplies! Thanks again Dear Terrilynn for a great video!!
Sorry, Kristina that I'm just responding! (why does it seem some comments fall through the cracks?!) ... DID you find or get what you needed? Have you tried this? I'd love to hear about your experience. I've adjusted a LOT since this video and hope to make another updated one SOON!
great!
Gosh .. thanks for your comment. I hope it helped and I hope you got to try this. If so, please let me know how it worked out for YOU! Thanks!
A question came up from Cliff DaRiff: "What is the binder?" It is gum tragacanth. I purchased the gel form on Amazon. You can also get it in powder and hydrate it yourself. Here's the link again to the .pdf for more info: userfiles.faso.us/94112/9172.pdf
I am currently purchasing supplies to make soft pastels. I wondered which is better to purchase, the liquid tragacanth or the powder or I even saw this one kind that looked like little rock forms. Which is best for making soft pastels? I am really enjoying your videos! Thank You so much for sharing your knowledge.
@@vdoyle1778 Thank you! I use the liquid tragacanth .. and actually sometimes water it down a bit to mix easily. The more straight pigment ground (powder) being used, the more gum tragacanth. If you are reconstituting pre-made pastel dust, then less is needed as there is already binder in that dust. If you purchase the powder or rocks then it has to be liquified before using which takes time and perhaps a bit of cooking. I'm happy with the liquid (gel). Hope that helps.
I appreciate also your enjoying the videos .. I have learned a LOT about small studio production since I started. Always trying to improve :D
@@pastelsocietymaine7111 so, if you use the liquid straight out of the bottle and add additional water (equal amounts?)
@@maureensorensen2178 (That was actually me, Terrilynn, just under the wrong profile as I contribute to PSME too). How much liquid I use of the gum tragacanth and water often depends on the type of pigment and the amount. I will vary it depending on how pure the pigment is. The more pure the pigment, like straight out of a ground pigment jar, I will use more gum tragacanth, a higher percentage of it in the mix. It also depends on how thick the gum tragacanth gel is.. If it’s basically pre-manufactured pastel dust then you can use mostly water. (It’s kind of like cooking a stew or such … adjust it as you go.). Recently I have stopped using the isopropyl alcohol and just employed more patience waiting for the sticks to dry.
I’d love to hear about some of your experiences and new colors. Photos and comments can be posted on my Facebook page: TravelingArtista
Hello ! It's a real pleasure to see you do it! And it seems so easy! I would like to try it myself. Can you send me the PDF? That would be too kind of you!!!
Yes, of course I can send the .pdf .. I am working to create an updated video and info soon as I've learned a lot more since I first posted this. Please email me your email address: travelingartista@gmail.com
I've been making my own egg tempura and glair recently, I've found that if I crush the egg shells up I to a nice fine powder and use my Muller to mix my pigment into it with water I can get pretty nice pastels that way now all of the egg gets used ( except the foam that I end up with making glair but that's mostly air anyway)
What a cool process, @Alucard! Love that you get to use the WHOLE egg and not waste .. and have some great & unique materials to use. Would love to see some photos: TravelingArtista@gmail.com
Yummy
Ex-ACT-ly. Have you tried it? Do you need the supplies and instruction. Hope you keep an eye out for my updated video .. ASAP (I hope!)
Excellent instructional video!! I wish they made a mold for pastels like Ludwig uses for his. I've been using Kaolin clay powder for my pastel binder like Rembrandt pastels but soft and buttery like Sennelier pastels.
Wonderful with the Kaolin clay powder .. I will try that, thanks! A friend of mine had a friend that made some wooden molds for her and gave me one. Some folks have tried specialty silicone ice cube molds. I'd love to see your results too! I need to update my video ...
Quick question: would Kaolin powder be similar to Borax in its affect on pastels? Someone suggested that too ... I need to get experimenting again ... (after IAPS).
@@TravelingArtista Update on molds. I don't need them now because I make one color at a time and a mold would be to much. I use a credit card (wet card) to form my square pastels :)
@@flyfisherman3649 Great idea!
Thanks dear Terry! Lovely video! Cant wait to start doing my one pastells. I bought a very expensive box from a lady. The pastels are all covered with paper arround wich is VERY dificult to take off. So I am planning to crusch all of them and make my own pastells from the crumbs and dust that will appear from the crusching! I did not understand what kind of a binder you use? And where can i find it? Amazon?
Thanks, Kristina .. now I'm so curious as to what kind of "expensive" pastels you purchased. Sometimes you can take an Xacto knife and very carefully score the paper to help remove it. I am SO glad you ARE removing it! Best way to use the sticks. And if you DO chose to crush them, make it a very fine dust (this video of mine is 1.5 yrs old and I have learned a lot more about making them). The .pdf in the info above has a good list. Gum tragacanth is the binder I use .. which I purchase from Amazon already in gel form (and sometimes I water it down a bit more). HOWEVER - if you are not adding any pure ground pigment into the stick dust, then there is ALREADY enough binder in the stick. Just add some isopropyl alcohol & water to make the "pasta"of the stick, then form the shape and let it dry. Let me know if you have more questions. I DO plan to update this video (however, right now I'm 1000 miles away from my "make pastel" supplies). I'd also love to hear back about your experience doing this! Stay dusty!
Hi! Thank you for your great videos. Can I use powder gum tragacanth for making pastels? I know it comes in a liquid form
You can use the power, but probably make it into a gel before adding to the pigments. PERHAPS you can mix the powered Gum into the pigment ground thoroughly and evenly before adding any liquid, but I've never tried it. I purchase the gum tragacanth already in gel form (quicker & easier for me). IF you do it another way, please let me know how it works!
I love this video.i am just thinking places to find natural pigments.
I’ve found some in mud run-offs .. super silt .. super fine mud. I’ve tried fine sands which can work if combined with some ground pigment but be aware they have a lot more grit. Still I have some wonderful earth tones because of it. One thing I’m cautious of is mud with a lot of organic matter in it as those colors can be more fugitive.
interesting
I am completely and thoroughly impressed with your video and your delivery. I cant wait to try making my own now and its all thanks to you! If you should ever come to the UK to teach, do please make a video about it with details as i would soooo love to come and join in! Oh and ive just subbed you. Thanks again for such an excellent tutorial. MWAH! XTIBBYX
Thank you so much! I am pleased that it encouraged you. I had been holding onto dust for years and finally FINALLY tried this and was also surprised how easy it was (albeit a bit messy). I want to get back to the UK sometime (it's been too long) and when things open up again, I hope to be invited by some great pastel group. Stay dusty! TravelingArtista.com
@@TravelingArtista will do Terrilynn and give me a nudge when or if you can come here to the UK to teac, as i would really like to attend. Take care now, Dusty Bloomers lol xoxoxox
@@Spellbound987 If you would, sign up for my Newsletter @ TravelingArtista.com ... and I'll send out updates for when I'm traveling again! :D
Hi Terrilynn! I am waiting for my ordered artist pigments and important ingredients for the production of patell chalks and watercolors.I ordered arabic gum too, so i will make my own experiments because i didnt get tragant anywhere in art shops near by...Do you think it will work with arabic gum too? Another question i have is what is the powder with the bee wax and oil- because i have beewax too form makinf cosmetics last year and maybe i can make a mixture? Your video was just right for me. Many Thanks!
Good question about the gum arabic .. I haven't used that so am curious too! I acquire gum tragacanth gel on Amazon. Also I have no experience with bees wax. I'd say try a bit (maybe with some residual pastel dust and see how it goes. PLEASE let me know! I love experimenting and learning. Glad the video helped you. Stay dusty!
@@TravelingArtista I found tragant in a shop! Wikipedia said pastells in the past were made from a lot of ingredients- and so i found there arabic gum and tragant🤔- you are right, i will make my experements. It's the first time i'll try to make my own aquarell colours and pastells but i like to find the easiest way as possible for good results- like you! I have no dust because i've never tried painting with pastells before but my order is on the way...Thanks a lot!
@@user-ic5xu4jh6z Now I'm really looking forward to your results! :D
So interesting! Please tell us how the pastel made from your soil turned out!
I will do that .. actually didn't have time within that first video, so I'll make another video using the dirt!
@@TravelingArtista Great--I kept waiting for it! Loved this inaugural video, btw.
Thanks, Wendy! I try to keep most of my videos under 15 minutes so they don't drag on. Succinct and informative is what I aim for!
Wendy: so I did a painting using mostly the SILT pastels - VERY rough .. almost like a Townsend pastel. It came out well! Pretty pleased with it. I'm going to play a bit more. I need to video one so I can share better.
@@TravelingArtista It will be fun to see how you work with them.
Did you use gum Arabic? How much gum tragacanth did you use for that batch, what's the ratio of powder ? Thanks Sam
Very usefull, thanks.
I was wondering if you could make a black pigment with charcoal powder.
Do you think it will work?
SO sorry, Riccardo .. I just saw this comment. I would say ... TRY! I may try it next too .. we have some charcoal in the fire pit. I HAVE tried adding a bit of vine charcoal to a few of my other colors and it has worked well.
Binder options? I've done a bit more research on options other than gum tragacanth (which I acquired from Amazon in gel form).
"Is gum arabic the same as gum tragacanth? Gum tragacanth naturally occurs in some species of legumes. Tylose powder is cellulose based and gives the gum paste a whiter appearance compared to the slightly grayer cast of gum tragacanth. Gum Arabic is derived from the sap of Acacia trees and CMC powder is a man made cellulose gum." [AskingLot.com]
Follower of this channel Asumata de Payer is trying a formula with gum arabic which is natural gum consisting of the hardened sap of two species of the acacia tree .. used often in art media (especially watercolor) so MAY work well. I'm not sure of the finer chemical differences between the legume (gum tragacanth) and tree sap (gum arabic) properties .. but, hey, if it works for watercolor ... (??!)
[I will report on her findings if it's ok with her.]
I have simplified my process and plan to do a follow-up video soon. When the weather is nice .. as I like to make pastels outdoor so I don't have to worry about the dust flying about me. Many pigments do have HEAVY METALS in them and you do not want to ingest them in any manner. THIS IS IMPORTANT! Wearing a MASK is a great idea (since most of us have them now anyway).
I'm very excited and start producing in gold bars
Ha ha ha ha!
Will the pastel drawing dry, or need fixative ?... very informative, thx
Pastels are dry, pure pigment sticks. I use little fixative and apply them to sanded paper that holds on to them well. Link to other videos on soft pastel tips & techniques: ua-cam.com/play/PLFi45NPz5Uo3nb5hr7KKLYoA1K-tDGWoR.html
Great Video! One question though...Some sources recommend a mold inhibitor, which might be important if a patron purchases my work and puts it in a moist enviroment. The painting could end up all green and not with envy, lol. Just want to make sure I would be offering a premium product and not have issues down the road with mold developing.
Thank you Terri! Great point. I do tend to blend a lot of purchased pastel dust into my homemade sticks so the mold retardant is already there. The others are more experimental and for sketching! Plus over time I’m realizing it takes so much time to make sticks that it’s definitely easier to purchase from the great pastel houses. I WILL look into the mold retardant .. and share when I create a new video on making pastels! (this one was fairly early on in my video making timeline)
Can I do this process or a similar one with charcoal and graphite and how would I make them water soluble and water resistant
Would xantham gum or sodium aliginate also work for these.
The colours are beautiful & you used water or alcohol, not oil.
Thank you, Lady Justice. The binder is Gum Tragacanth (gum Aribic works too). Water and or alcohol are added to make the "pastel" .. and the alcohol just helps it to dry faster. I have not tried mixing the pigment with oil yet .. have you? What kind of oil? Walnut? Stand oil?
Of course, this process starts with just the ground powdered pigment which is in all paints, regardless of the binder.
I like to use the most pure that I can.
Great stuff. Have you tried using chalk (Calcium Carbonate) + raw paint pigment + binder (gum arabic/whatever) ? Basically this is what Gouache is but I’d guess soft pastel is basically dried Gouache! Would be curious since I want to make my own Gouache too.
@pentachronic I do not use calcium carbonate because it dilutes the intensity of the pure pigment. All media - be it gouache, pastel, oil, acrylic, watercolor, etc - starts with pure pigment. Then other elements are added in which creates that particular medium. (oil added to pigment to create oil paint, etc).
Soft Pastel uses only enough binder (gum arabic or gum tragacanth) to hold the pigment together in a stick or cake form for use.
Of COURSE you can create your own gouache .. just research for the elements that are added to the pigment. So exciting to try!
I'd love to hear how it goes. TravelingArtista.com
How much gum did you add for your batch? I need red but the reds keep going like terra cotta color or pink/peachy
Ohh, those reds. I think they are always the most tricky!
I do not have a set formula for how much gum and/or water/alcohol to add to the mix .. I basically estimate. Honestly, personally, I like using this approach to create wonderfully softened and slightly neutralized tones .. and tons of amazing greys! .. and leave the bright purer sticks to the experts.
It's been a while since I've made some sticks myself, as I've been teaching so much (live and on my Patreon), but I do plan to do a couple updated videos soon. To make the process a little clearer and to make some pastels out of the natural dusts I've been collecting.
If you find a secret, please let me know.
ONE thought I have is adding in a bit of neon colored dust .. (like Diane Townsend)
Have you tried recycling makeup pigments into pastel sticks?
Makeup pigments? It would depend what else is used in those sticks as a binder. Pastels contain only ground pigment and the simple natural binder. No oils, no perfumes, etc. That would be my concern about makeup. Have you tried this? What makeup pigments are you using?
I had a recent email from a Subscriber about whether they can use dye pigments or not. Here is my response after some quick research:
I am not familiar with dye pigment .. but after some research my understanding is that they are NOT the same and the dyes, for the most part, are NOT as colorfast (ie: they will fade). If I had some as you do, I would experiment and do a lightfast test.
I am presently in the process of working on a video to show HOW to do a lightfast test for pastels - if you have subscribed and clicked the "bell" to my UA-cam channel, you will get notified when I post it. Meanwhile, play away! Take videos and notes. I'd love to hear how it goes.
Major difference: dyes are water-soluble and pigments are not. They can be suspended in fluids but don't dissolve as dyes do.
Here's resources:
www.royaltalens.com/en/inspiration/tips-techniques/pigments-vs-dyes/
www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-pigment-and-vs-dye/
What's the ratio of gum and water for your pastel? I saw another video show a 1:20 ratio. I found gum Arabic 1 pound for 1-19$ on Amazon. I may have gum tragacanth I work with leather so I also have tokonol already ready although that's so thick, that have to be diluted....it's the same tragacanth.
So I got a box of pastels in the mail today....smashed. anyhow, do I need this special gum to grind and reroll those? Or do I just need water and alcohol? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated, thank you 💕
That’s awful! Smashed pastels!! DO contact the company and perhaps they’ll recompense you.
But otherwise: since these are pre-made pastels you do NOT need the gum tragacanth. Just some water and/or alcohol - that will bind the particles back together. Go for the consistency of pasta and let them dry a few days after forming the shape you wish.
I’d love to know the results! Let me know here or email: TravelingArtista.com.
@@TravelingArtista Thank you so much for your help ❤️ I contacted them right away and sent photos. I'm hoping they will at least replace the ones that shattered. I have always had secure shipments from this company but this time they didn't wrap the box in any cushioning...just deflated mailers and a sea of green dust covering everything. I'm assuming a new untrained person shipped my items.
I'm so grateful for your video and advice! I'm hoping in a few days to have some functioning pastels to play with 🙂 thanks again!
Supply;s and their proportion and where to
Buy them plz
I save the fallen dust as I'm painting (in a little trough under the easel). Also you can purchase new pastel ground (pigment) at many supply stores or on Amazon (search "ground pigment" .. then check the quality). I get gum tragacanth from Amazon in gel form. The proportions depends totally upon each individual pigment. Experimentation is how I get there. Aim for a consistency of dough before shaping.
I wonder if these can be pressed into pans and used with brushes?
I would say YES! Just watch the balance between the binder and the pigment ground (each ground takes a different amount of binder, etc, so there's no set ratio). If you try it, I would love to know!
@@TravelingArtista Thank you!!! : )
What was that white powder added, was it the gum tragacanth? Do I need to add gum Arabic instead or is that only for watercolor?
The light powder is Titanium White ground .. pure pigment powder. I use it to lighten other colors. I use gum tragacanth gel as a natural binder because it was in a few recipes when I first researched this process. It is a natural, pure tree sap like gum Arabic so either could be used. And just enough to hold the particles of pigment together .. so that takes a little experimentation with each different color. Every color has different properties so I offer no set forumula here.
Most of the difference between this and watercolor is that watercolor adds a bit more to the formula, usually honey and glycerine and much more water.
At the foundation it’s all pure pigment!
IF you are reconstituting pre-used pastel dust that has fallen from your easel that you e collected, then you don’t usually have to add more binder (gum tragacanth). It’s already in there .. so just water and/or alcohol will help bring the particles back together.
@@TravelingArtista oh great, is the pricing better for the tragacanth? Its only available for 1 oz at the local store, gum Arabic. I have tried the red again its darker but still it is not what I wanted although it's working well for shading and better outlines but still not harsh at least. I like that the way yours came out, there was no other binder or preservatives? I'm hearing impaired so I will try cc to watch video again in case I missed something thanks a bunch!
@@samanthanicholson9015 I get the gum tragacanth from Amazon .. and not much is needed so this lasts a long time (link at the end here). 4.4oz. Then I don't have to mix the powder so it's quicker to use. I'm not sure where you're located, of course, but this is my info. Again, I buy my reds if I want them really bright, and keep my reconstituted sticks for more muted colors and surprise colors (sometimes it's "who knows how this will come out!". I'm going to check to see if I can add CC to this, tho for a couple weeks now I won't have time to edit it to perfection probably. Here's the tragacanth Amazon link: www.amazon.com/Tandy-Leather-Eco-Flo-Tragacanth-2620-01/dp/B003BCUYK0/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2HYEQTB7BUICF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.nS0F9TsaxiU1wSjDM83GvHDFQ8vgQRmHlSeckV3y0IGiAgBr-PfXfTgbi_ePTVglng0fl9kuxG0omddFr1MN_CiFnm-lZVbDLIJYjcyxxR7YUArnOTCWu1pHp6wOUrZOheTcKeHBPIcr30fD-1x1bw.F2LW6hVrVOT-vrhSAXP4kEjBhYE4nAP6Wa5HDZCoFIs&dib_tag=se&keywords=gum+tragacanth+liquid&qid=1717322137&sprefix=gum+trag%2Caps%2C88&sr=8-2
@@samanthanicholson9015 Can't do captions now .. you'll have to on your end. Here's a great video from Roché in France .. their history and how they make pastels (well, they don't give their historic formula tho!) and these are for large batches .. we're just making a couple sticks at a time.
ua-cam.com/video/Eu6po8_sPco/v-deo.html
@@TravelingArtista oh great thanks so much! I'll be trying some pastels today a few your method and one other I have recipe of sorts for....I'm still going to try the red, oh the oil red I got from an old oil stick made some sticks but they also turned out terra cotta color, I'm wondering to try that with pastel though the oil may affect binder so I think I won't try that. I hear lake 27 and 40 are good but someone else said sienna and dioxide for red should be better. Someone used cement colors and I hoped to use the dye pigment but I think they could use alum or chalk it even clay, I want something to use that won't cost a lot for large color options.
Can I use gum arabic instead as I do not have the kind yiu mentioned
Yes, gum arabic works. For pastels, they are essentially very close for the effect you want.
Muy interesante su video ! Lo puede poner para traducir español ?
todo los 13 minutos? qué quiere de info?
I have a stash of gum arabic powder. Have you made pastels with that before? I understand it can make a harder pastel but it would seem to me that if you used less gum arabic then it would make a softer pastel that leaves a mark
A stash?! Cool. (Fascinating what we come across when looking through old supplies)
Gum arabic is similar to gum tragacanth and I'm sure can be a replacement for the binder when making pastels from pure pigment (not needed if reconstituting used pastel dust). I'd personally try it and experiment! If you do, let us know how it works.
@@TravelingArtista I will keep you updated on my progress! I bought this. Its more than I'll ever need. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L45XJ7V/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@twycross3 HA! Well it can also be used in cooking and baking! I'm planning some updates on the process here as I think I've simplified it some. Looking forward to your results too!
Did it go well with the gum arabic?
@@riccardogiacobbe5262 I did not use the gum Arabic .. but I’ve read that it works fine. With gum tragacanth the more you use the harder the pastel can be (depending on the pigment qualities of course)
Gumtragacant yerine ne kulana bilirirz
Can you plz send me the supply’s contact info and more important the ratio of the material to mix for pastel water color and oil paints thk
@bobbyjoseph7788 I know I wrote a reply for this a couple days ago .. not sure where it went. Here's the link to the supply info: userfiles.faso.us/94112/18270.pdf ... These instruction are for soft pastel sticks, but it's similar for watercolor - mostly more liquid including some glycerine (try this: ua-cam.com/video/ShH5G1HwJcw/v-deo.html) ... and for oil, I am not sure. It's been years since I've used oil paints, but I'm sure there's a recipe out there! Try this: ua-cam.com/video/9gPOHcbfx4w/v-deo.html
BEST OF LUCK! I'd like to hear how it goes! TravelingArtista.com
Kindly mention ratio and material name
For mixing
Gum
Pigment
Rust ?
Or chalk
Xan you share material list and propose
Here's the link to the instructions and supplies: userfiles.faso.us/94112/9172.pdf
Mine resulted in being brick hard. Solution?
This has happened to me, as well. I think it's the amount of binder added. Again: each pigment takes a different ration of dust to binder, but minimizing the binder as much is possible is best. Just enough to hold it together. More water and/or alcohol when making the paste. Another thought is adding a bit of pumice or marble dust into the mixture. (More of a Diane Townsend feel to the sticks)
Are you working with left-over painting dust or with pure ground pigment? That could make a difference too. Let me know! Thanks.
Mention ratio of water and gum tragacanth
I use the prepared gel gum tragacanth. There are recipes online to make the gel from the powder or even the "rock".
Using the gel, it depends on how it's mixing. Sometimes more water, sometimes less. (To me it's like cooking .. use what's needed.) Enough to make it a good paste .. not to wet, not too dry. Sorry I'm not more accurate on that. Humidity of the atmosphere can make a difference too.
Thank you
You never give the proportion of your recepie
No, Yves, I do not. I find it is like cooking .. add a bit at a time and see how it's going. Does it need more? Each pastel stick I make, be it from reclaimed dust or fresh ground pigment, seems to require different amounts of powder to liquid. If too much liquid is added, then I wait for it to dry a bit before I continue.
Imagine making pasta .. it's quite a bit like that, and basically the same consistency is desired. I've done searches for amounts but most people approach it this same way. (Approximate suggestion: 5-10 parts dust to 1-2 parts liquid) Experiment!
Thank you
You're welcome!