France: ‘Where’s the democracy in that?’

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  • In 2005 the French government ignored the results of a referendum on the EU, but at what cost to democracy?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 155

  • @guardianculture
    @guardianculture  4 роки тому +12

    The Guardian and Headlong theatre company present a foreign language drama series about the continent, from the continent. Europeans features films made in Germany, France, UK, Ireland, Poland, Sweden and Spain, exploring the relationships of member countries to the European Union ► ua-cam.com/video/pvDhekByHTE/v-deo.html

    • @worldpeace1822
      @worldpeace1822 4 роки тому +5

      Guardian Culture so is this some sort of uk government sponsored show to tell your population why Brexit and all the consequences because of it are the right choice.... honestly who is paying for it, who hs writing the script? I’d like to know guardian! This is purely an opinionated series and people will make it what they think it means. I’m not sure if this will be helpful.

    • @normburns9619
      @normburns9619 4 роки тому

      @@worldpeace1822 The series explores both sides of the story.... Imagine that. :-/

  • @TVComercialProducer
    @TVComercialProducer 4 роки тому +113

    Not to be disrespectful but she´s a little melodramatic, couldnt watch for more than a third.

    • @Clem_Fandango11
      @Clem_Fandango11 4 роки тому +10

      Course she is
      ......she's french ;)

    • @amiciprocul8501
      @amiciprocul8501 4 роки тому +8

      That's the point it's filmed and directed, that's why it's exaggerated.

    • @Jellykrop
      @Jellykrop 4 роки тому +7

      She sounds like she smokes 3 cigarette packs a day

    • @justsean6199
      @justsean6199 4 роки тому +3

      @@Jellykrop JUST the packs and not the contents.

    • @justsean6199
      @justsean6199 4 роки тому

      @D. S. I'm referring to the cigarette packets, the cartons that hold cigarettes

  • @jak_k
    @jak_k 4 роки тому +81

    A bit rich of the Guardian to publicize this when it was against the Brexit referendum.

    • @IMelkor42
      @IMelkor42 4 роки тому +1

      How so?

    • @jak_k
      @jak_k 4 роки тому +4

      IMelkor42 the Guardián stands behind remainers and didn’t agree with the brexit referendum while here they are publicizing how a French referendum was ignored.

    • @sebas8225
      @sebas8225 4 роки тому

      @@jak_k There´s a difference between Remoaners Brexiteers and discontent French people.

  • @kracker2226
    @kracker2226 4 роки тому +25

    In 2016 Britain's referendum was ignored , especially by the Guardian !

    • @ViktorScberg
      @ViktorScberg 4 роки тому

      And then they've to pay for the cause with humiliation now! We've done it 🇬🇧♥️🇬🇧

  • @chiantelalo5193
    @chiantelalo5193 4 роки тому +116

    The piece could be interesting, but the actor is definitely overacting and is quite a bit hammy to be honest. Dommage.

    • @alzaphon
      @alzaphon 4 роки тому +5

      At least she is hottttttttt 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

    • @davew4998
      @davew4998 4 роки тому +1

      It's still interesting despite the acting.

    • @arrakis7132
      @arrakis7132 4 роки тому

      Whats dommage?

    • @davew4998
      @davew4998 4 роки тому

      @@arrakis7132 It's French for 'horror'.

    • @treacherousjslither6920
      @treacherousjslither6920 4 роки тому +1

      @Prakash Gurung You don't think she's hot? Really? Well who do you think is hot?

  • @Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040
    @Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040 4 роки тому +5

    Last time Europe was a bunch of independent countries they were fighting each other and killing millions in a most inhumane way imaginable, and for no darn reason.
    Count your blessings. EU is definitely not a final product, it's a project in development. Many things have to be done, but you have peace and stability, and prosperity for most people. Don't swap it for the situation where countries start gearing up to start killing each other's citizens, just because they have otherwise solvable disagreements.

  • @VoreiosPolakis
    @VoreiosPolakis 4 роки тому +46

    In the last few years the Guardian has discussed and entertained and even endorsed - through the writings of some of his commentators - the possibility of revoking the results of the Brexit referendum, though.

    • @s.v.berezin1562
      @s.v.berezin1562 4 роки тому +5

      You say that as though it would be a bad thing. When it became clear that there was no clear plan forward and no one way forward with Brexit, there should have been a second referendum. That was common sense. Not to mention that the 2016 referendum was advisory, but for some reason was taken as binding. That is preposterous to begin with.

    • @MontyComedyOfficial
      @MontyComedyOfficial 4 роки тому +2

      I think revoking Brexit on the basis of a second referendum in which the deal was voted on (with the possibility of 'No Deal' in a 3 way vote) wouldn't be undemocratic.
      However, with the situation in France it did appear just to be ignoring the will of the people. What happened in France would be what would've happened here if Lib Dems got a majority.

    • @TechTehScience
      @TechTehScience 4 роки тому +2

      Yeah, because the way a Democracy works is once something passes we shut up about it and never discuss it again, yeah? I mean, by that logic, the Brexit referendum was simply ignoring the results of the original referendum to enter the EU - that passed - and the original referendum to Leave - which failed.

    • @s.v.berezin1562
      @s.v.berezin1562 4 роки тому +1

      @@TechTehScience Very true, very well put.

    • @jasonhannon4735
      @jasonhannon4735 4 роки тому +1

      @@s.v.berezin1562 it was but then David Cameron said the result would be implemented and no there shouldn't have been a second referendum until the first one was implemented at the very least

  • @davidrobertsemail
    @davidrobertsemail 4 роки тому +38

    This is weird.
    The Guardian is showing a video about how the EU tramples democracy.
    It’s a bit late but at least it’s accurate.

    • @georgemorley1029
      @georgemorley1029 4 роки тому +1

      Billy Bob Propositions may be valid, no matter what their origin is.

    • @nicadi2005
      @nicadi2005 4 роки тому

      @Billy Bob "at least it’s accurate." - In what way?

    • @davidrobertsemail
      @davidrobertsemail 4 роки тому +5

      nicadi2005 the EU constitution was rejected by the few countries that were allowed to vote on it.
      Then the EU simply re packed it as the Lisbon treaty and passed it thus trampling democracy.

    • @iakona23
      @iakona23 4 роки тому +1

      Billy Bob Exactly right, Billy Bob. Thank you.

    • @jackglasper5860
      @jackglasper5860 4 роки тому

      @@davidrobertsemail Incorrect. It was the French national government that chose to ignore the referendum and push on with the new constitution. It was the same with all the other countries that voted to reject EU propositions. Their national governments ignored their people. The EU has no power to enforce these treaties without the consent of the national government. So in blaming the EU you are letting the national governments off the hook.

  • @terminator3199
    @terminator3199 4 роки тому +17

    Is not important how you vote, important is who is counting !

  • @definitelynotadam
    @definitelynotadam 4 роки тому +8

    "performed by" if this is what this series is about, no thanks.

  • @sm3227
    @sm3227 4 роки тому +4

    What the hell is this? I didn't understood anything!

  • @danyallnadeem8642
    @danyallnadeem8642 4 роки тому +33

    Kinda rubbish really

  • @xrysap
    @xrysap 4 роки тому +5

    Well it is right in a sense. Our vote does become useless plenty of times. Not going to vote even by a great percent does not give a better result either. Before i vote i usually find that none of the choices before me satisfy or represent me,/my rights/my views/my visions. It's life and all you can do is take responsibility and choose the lesser evil in your mind. Not voting gives more power to those who do. Infurating! Vote even if it is one raindrop. It is your choise where it lands!

  • @tmesta354
    @tmesta354 4 роки тому +1

    Put a horizontal black bar at the bottom of the video and place the text over it: it’s difficult to read white text against a bright background.

  • @S7EVE_P
    @S7EVE_P 4 роки тому +5

    This is the toned down version

  • @YuureiInu
    @YuureiInu 4 роки тому +1

    First time I voted in presidential elections my guy got less than 0.1% of votes. That was the last time I voted.

  • @cb5104
    @cb5104 4 роки тому +9

    I think the series is a great idea as there is still too much distance between EU operations and the public's perception (mine included) of its activities. That said, why the smoking and melodramatic tone?? I found it a bit hard to watch the whole thing. That's a pity because I'm French and interested in hearing more about those events

  • @davetdowell
    @davetdowell 4 роки тому +1

    2:21 She's right people did die for your right to vote, quite a lot of the British. If you want to know their names you could visit one of the many cemeteries that are all over your country, where they are buried.

    • @ryrilo5078
      @ryrilo5078 4 роки тому

      Dave ..they died because they had no choice and those that did choose died for Queen and country.

  • @chrisf1600
    @chrisf1600 4 роки тому +2

    Europe ? Blimey, is that still a thing ?

  • @matteocasula4467
    @matteocasula4467 4 роки тому +2

    Dear all, democracy is important. However I want to keep in mind two things. First, the people are not always right. Have you ever come across to some decision to be made collegially and believed the majority really voted for the wrong and evident decision? That is because the majority is NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. Secondly, I believe the EU as a federation should not be questioned. What should be questioned is the organization we want to give to the EU. In conclusion, if in any given referendum the peole votes no to be part of the EU either said people gets out of the EU or its will is not taken into account. For the sake of the unity of the continent, I prefer the latter even though it would stretch thin the fabric of our own society and politics. However my thought is still evolving, so who knows.

    • @sebas8225
      @sebas8225 4 роки тому +2

      "the people are not always right" and which right does the elite have to define what is and not right? Isnt democracy meant by the people for the people??

    • @matteocasula4467
      @matteocasula4467 4 роки тому

      @@sebas8225 as for the "right the elite has" that you mentioned, I can say that the "elite" (and you have to define what is elite) has no formal right to decide for the people. We want a system in which every person counts, right? But we're not still there, and honestly don't know if we'll ever be able to get there. If a person has enough resources to make a change, I say they have a moral duty to do so. Duty not right. Duty to make sure the world is left, at the end of their lives, better than it used to be.

  • @KREEPYKRAWLLY
    @KREEPYKRAWLLY 4 роки тому

    Wow. I didn't know about this

  • @hcl3852
    @hcl3852 2 роки тому +1

    Quand la France redeviendra-t-elle une démocratie ?

  • @pinchermartyn3959
    @pinchermartyn3959 4 роки тому +2

    Has The Guardian begun the think?

  • @montue3470
    @montue3470 4 роки тому +10

    since the beginning of times Commerce has brought unparalleled prosperity and EU was essentially that .An institution built for mutual benefit that was slowly built upon to reach the EU that it is today. Economic liberalism has been a corner stone of every prosperous country.She dismisses the complexity of the issue but that is exactly why we have deliberative representative democracy,because no one has the time to study it in such a detail nor the knowledge to understand it's implications.If you fail to exercise your political rights one day you face it's consequences until then feel free to pretend to be a revolutionary.The woman's mother seems like a wise woman

    • @ricovonix5356
      @ricovonix5356 4 роки тому +1

      Now look where it's brought the world. Division and tribalism. Look at the UK, look at the US.

    • @worldpeace1822
      @worldpeace1822 4 роки тому +1

      mon tue I’m not so sure I’d call this necessarily economic liberalism ... depending on who you ask you’ll get another definition of it. For example the US has a very liberal stand on economics when it comes to regulatory rules through the state. Some will say that this is the way and some will say it isn’t.

  • @davejohnson3474
    @davejohnson3474 4 роки тому +22

    Is this why the Guardian is begging for money? To make fantastic master pieces like this? Lol.

    • @agabaire
      @agabaire 4 роки тому +2

      😂😂😂😂 Your comment is just uuzing that douchy British accent 🤣🤣🤣

    • @vassilywillie884
      @vassilywillie884 2 роки тому

      C’est Hollywoodarab

  • @ZenosOsgorma
    @ZenosOsgorma 4 роки тому +11

    Lol what a horrid intro, a poster with Yes on it... Europe's been sold a lie.

    • @nicadi2005
      @nicadi2005 4 роки тому +3

      @ZenosOsgorma "Europe's been sold a lie." - Sorry, I don't follow you: what is the lie you're referring to, exactly? And who 'sold it' to whom else?

    • @ZenosOsgorma
      @ZenosOsgorma 4 роки тому

      @@nicadi2005 you fully know and Understand why, if you don't where have you been living for these last 10years.

    • @alzaphon
      @alzaphon 4 роки тому +2

      @@ZenosOsgorma i have been living in London since birth and i also have no clue what the frick you mean. Your comment is too ambiguous

    • @ZenosOsgorma
      @ZenosOsgorma 4 роки тому

      @@alzaphon how old are you? And if you have kept up with what's been happening in this country outside of your little bubble you will know of the economic disruption and rapid change of nations towns/cities demographics in such a short amount of time.
      Don't play ignorant, but if you are genuinely have no clue you got years of content to catch up on, I'd first by watching the Oxford University speech and audiance sessions here on UA-cam.

    • @Basilisks82
      @Basilisks82 4 роки тому +2

      @@ZenosOsgorma But that's not about Europe, that's our economic model, and its happening worldwide, Bruxelles or not. Even third world countries are experiencing drastic changes in their economic and demographic model, without passing through a development phase like it was for nort-west europe and north america

  • @dhollsynthmusic
    @dhollsynthmusic 4 роки тому

    How is this a break from the news??

  • @Rossen93bg
    @Rossen93bg 4 роки тому +11

    Hiring actors to do political statements is not fooling anyone. Shame on you!

  • @sebas8225
    @sebas8225 4 роки тому

    Truly a Goid Experience.

  • @amiciprocul8501
    @amiciprocul8501 4 роки тому +1

    My mother didn't vote until she was in her 30's, at the time I was pissed. I thought, don't you care? Now however I see the real worth of our vote, not much.

    • @kylebarnett3700
      @kylebarnett3700 4 роки тому

      Yo ella may be your main by the looks of it which explains why you're stupid yourself

    • @sebas8225
      @sebas8225 4 роки тому

      Death Watch thats why you arent given true democracy. True democracy is fought for 24 hours a day 7 days a week all year long, less you want someone to take it away from you.

  • @hanndonfield91
    @hanndonfield91 4 роки тому +1

    she thinks a french presidential election is important...poor woman not while your in the EU! you answer to donald tusk!!!

  • @sebas8225
    @sebas8225 4 роки тому +1

    5:23- Cool graffiti :)

  • @federicoc2472
    @federicoc2472 4 роки тому

    Nice Fantasy movie.

  • @mardigbidanian7119
    @mardigbidanian7119 4 роки тому +1

    Only Switzerland and Iceland are one person one vote democracies . For the rest of the World democracy has its limits.

    • @qv8281
      @qv8281 4 роки тому

      direct democracy is only really practical in small countries not to mention direct democracy has its shortfalls

  • @Robytmro
    @Robytmro 4 роки тому

    What is this? Love the acting though.

  • @noone-lp7tr
    @noone-lp7tr 3 роки тому

    just for sabrina ouazani lol watch the hook up plan guys best series

  • @ViktorScberg
    @ViktorScberg 4 роки тому +2

    See the dislike ratio !! AHH DEMOCRACY

  • @donaldpharand7123
    @donaldpharand7123 4 роки тому +1

    Alice, Sabrina, vos cigarettes sont un peu "over the top" et ca m’étouffe. Je comprends votre point de vue et suis d'accord avec vous mais la cigarette, "just too much".

  • @anderstopansson
    @anderstopansson 4 роки тому

    We knew only what the mainstreammedia told us !!!

  • @mariuszbogacki1730
    @mariuszbogacki1730 4 роки тому +1

    When I say European Identity, you think of...

  • @stefankovachev3805
    @stefankovachev3805 3 роки тому

    Je sais meme pas de quoi il s'agit, mais Sabrina Ouazani est la plus belle actrice que j'ai jamais vue... Je suis amoureux d'elle, grave...

  • @sourweed9818
    @sourweed9818 4 роки тому +21

    Shes hot

    • @GunslingerLv
      @GunslingerLv 4 роки тому

      Maybe but her voice is 0 out of 10
      -wouldn't bang

    • @deadlypink7458
      @deadlypink7458 4 роки тому

      She was till i heard her voice

    • @sebas8225
      @sebas8225 4 роки тому

      That 5:23 graffiti´s cool too.

  • @davidthomas3826
    @davidthomas3826 4 роки тому +3

    So The Guardian is okay with anti~EU rhetoric....if the person saying it is chic, sophisticated Parisian lady?

    • @disarmsox
      @disarmsox 4 роки тому

      It's not real. It's a drama.

  • @TruculentSheep
    @TruculentSheep 4 роки тому +1

    Sometimes too much democracy is the worst thing that can happen to a democracy.

  • @greencraig8570
    @greencraig8570 2 роки тому

    She seems like an actress reciting a script.

  • @thomasliangus
    @thomasliangus 4 роки тому

    I always wonder who thinks French is a beautiful language?

  • @shd4618
    @shd4618 4 роки тому +2

    This was so bad. I didn't like or dislike it.

  • @isc4915
    @isc4915 4 роки тому

    Εμπ1

  • @Terrakinetic
    @Terrakinetic 3 роки тому

    Very French.

  • @stevelegg3884
    @stevelegg3884 4 роки тому

    French.....

  • @desertfalcon2786
    @desertfalcon2786 4 роки тому +2

    She’s so pretty I can’t focus on the translation

  • @Cranichounet
    @Cranichounet 4 роки тому

    Don’t care, didn’t ask, plus you’re British.

  • @littleboots9800
    @littleboots9800 4 роки тому +1

    Well this is a turn up for the books, eh Guardian?😁Still gave it a thumbs down because, well, it's from the Guardian.

    • @DasGrosseFressen
      @DasGrosseFressen 4 роки тому

      Aaand there is one right there... You, you are the problem with democracy, you pathetic tribal little minded binary animal.

    • @s.v.berezin1562
      @s.v.berezin1562 4 роки тому

      Not to say the same the other fellow said, but he's exactly right, with apologies.

    • @littleboots9800
      @littleboots9800 4 роки тому

      @@DasGrosseFressen got your knickers in a right twist haven't ya? Maybe we should just ban certain people from voting eh? Screen undesirables perhaps??😂😂

  • @aghoorchian
    @aghoorchian 4 роки тому

    What a rubbish piece of journalism. If your message was valid and interesting, you didn't have to dramatize it so much.

    • @disarmsox
      @disarmsox 4 роки тому

      It's drama you dummy..

  • @justsean6199
    @justsean6199 4 роки тому

    Ramming culture at us. Great. Rule Britannia.

  • @mikestone8461
    @mikestone8461 4 роки тому +7

    this brown person is not french....sorry

    • @kennybevan11
      @kennybevan11 4 роки тому +8

      She's not French just because she's not white??

    • @earthbound8809
      @earthbound8809 4 роки тому +3

      kennybevan11 she looks Moroccan to me.

    • @mikestone8461
      @mikestone8461 4 роки тому +5

      yes just like im not a south African because im not black....quiet simple really

    • @m.bisonopolis3258
      @m.bisonopolis3258 4 роки тому +1

      Very true.

    • @honestabe5153
      @honestabe5153 4 роки тому

      *black and she's hot