How to clean your whetstones
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- This is the easiest way to clean your whetstones. Using Sabitoru Rust Erasers to clean whetstones has changed my life. The Naniwa dressing stone is the next best thing but wears too quickly for my taste. The rust eraser will save you time and money, and I have still used one that is 4-5 years old.
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I bought those rust erasers at your suggestion a good while ago. They do the trick very easily and my whetstone felt so slick and more effective afterwards. They're cheap too; really great.
thanks for the input. i'm glad i wasn't lying!
who are the manufacturers of these erasers and where can I get them?
They're in the description right at the top.
Thank you for the review!!!
Isn't the rust eraser with the white writing the medium and the one with black/dark blue a course?
Now that I realize, I started directly with the rust eraser... Thank you, you changed my life!
Sharpening yesterday I didn't have my rust erasers. But, I did have a well worn green 3 m pad. I soaked it. It worked quite well during the session. It removed the load up quite well.
Wow thank you, have been using a nagura stone to clean my whetstones without much luck, just took to them with a rust eraser and they have come up as new, thanks again
I got that rust eraser and tried to clean an 8000 soaking stone with it. It didn't remove any of the dirt, but it did wreck the surface of the stone, which now feels a lot rougher than before. So that's something.
Did you use the coarse or fine rust eraser?
It's always a pleasure when some cheaper alternative is as good or better than the more expensive solutions. Thanks! :-)
Every question I've looked up in the past week has resulted in your video popping up first and at this point I'm just going to watch every video you have in order.
Class is in session.
" Knife is Life " I didn't know there was so much to cleaning stones and/or rust removers. Great video
Thanks for the helpful video, I would have definitely ruined my new whetstone immediately without this information lol.
I'm glad I dug this far back on your videos.
Hi Ryky, many thanks for another great tip. I just used these on my new Veneve Dragon Diamond whetstones, and it worked great without sacrificing too much "stone" as with the Nagura's which very quickly turned the colour of what ever stone I was cleaning by wearing down the stone, not just removing metal, thanks again.
Your previous Nagura you were using was literally wearing down the Venev? I’m really surprised by that wow
just now discovering your videos, love them! Awesome resource for those of us that love knives and taking care of them!
I been getting good results cleaning my glass shapton stones with scotch brite scrubbing pads in a pinch, believe it or not it works, but I do use my cleaning stones when I want to feel the stone.
The top camera view made this video AWESOME!
Thank you so much for suggesting the rust eraser for cleaning stones. I got one last summer after watching one of your videos and love it!
right on. glad i'm not lying!
Please do a video about the different types of materials used to make wet stones and which ones are better for what!
You should make a video only about your favorite Chosera 3000 stone, and how you use it to fully sharpen a dull knife among other things. Other than that, please add the Chosera Glass to the Naniwa Chosera VS Shapton Glass comparison (making it a three series versus, Chosera Glass VS Regular Chosera VS Shapton Glass),
oh.... that's in the works
Just ordered two of these rust erasers to give them a try!
I know A,G,Russell had a few videos he made before he died that promoted the use of a rust eraser to clean a whetstone. Although he was primarily talking about oil stones and ceramics.
Dang Ryky, like you, I’m a father of three. I work and do most of the cooking. I really like you and think you’re a good guy. That being said I hope you can appreciate that I don’t have 45 minutes in my busy schedule to learn how to clean a whetstone. Can you make a series for the busy folks? Short and to the point vids.
I really hope I didn’t come across as being rude or talking mess.
where is the promised butter knife sharpening video?
I got my rust erasers in today, can't wait to try them out once i get my knife sharpening series up and running, i just want to say you have given me inspiration in how i want to present my knife sharpening series, will post a link once it is up and running .
Before I have Rust Eraser, I like to use Magic Eraser to clean my whetstone, it cleans nearly all the residue and it’s pretty cheap and easy to find.
Awesome channel. I've only scratched the surface of giving my kitchen knives some well deserved care and to say the least I've been inspired.
I just wanted convey that the strop venture sounds great and I would have been a happy buyer if I didn't live where import cost is either equal or above the starting price...
Rust Eraser Sabitoru by Kuniyoshi (on Amazon)
Many thanks to do this review, is so great to see you doing something for your subscribers that are following from the beginning.
just doing my best and keeping it real.
Here's one thing people should understand about naguras...they aren't great for cleaning up an already loaded stone, although they will work. Their biggest function is raising a slurry BEFORE sharpening so that significant loading doesn't take place to begin with. Especially with higher grit finishing stones they'll also act to increase the feedback and improve the overall feel of the stone. Some stones really feel much better when they're hit with a nagura first, I'm thinking stones like the Kitayama 8k, Arashiyama 6k, the fine grit Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku stones (even though Shapton will tell you NOT to use them 🤷♂️) etc. The fact is a rust eraser simply can't do everything a good nagura can do. For strictly cleaning loading, sure they work fine. And not all naguras are soft. Naniwa makes a line of them now (although they are pricey like all things Naniwa) that are actually very hard and will last a very long time. Certainly far, far more than the blanket "20 times" stated in this video. They are hard hard, like Shapton Pro hard. My point is don't forget about naguras and just buy a rust eraser after watching this, you'll miss out on some of their primary functions and and intended uses. Their use is more complex than cleaning an already loaded up stone
Great video I’ve just ordered my rust eraser set, I will keep you posted.
I just grabbed 2 of the white ones from Amazon based on your suggestion 👍🏻
The eraser looked very good tot me. Just ordered two in Japan on Ebay, thanks.
When I was a child I would go over to Gerber and help them clean their stones I learned much as a child including how to turn stone into inc
Man I bought one of those rust erasers like 3 years ago on Amazon lol, never found a use for it until now thanks lol. I thought it would be great to clean my knives but after I bought it I realized it was a hard stone and figured it would just scratch the heck off my knife
The Rust Eraser is not a stone. It is a polymer with grit in it.
Just got my rust eraser today. Can’t wait to try them.
Cool. I just ordered a couple of those rust erasers. Also, it's good to know that the rust erasers are a little soft, kinda like an eraser.
right on. let me know how it works. what whetstones do you have?
*Look into and test, the magic erasers for kitchen pots and pans. That's what I use on my King KDS stones. I think you will like it*
Hi, you know something that I tried recently to clean a stone was some 600 grit sandpaper. I was refinishing a blade and had an assortment of wet/dry sandpaper and I just gave it a shot. I made sure that the surface of the stone was nice and wet and just used light pressure. It worked very well and I also used it to round off the edges a little. I am not sure if there are any negative side effects to this such as grit contamination but the sandpaper grit certainly does not become embedded in the stone. It is very inexpensive of course and simple and quick.. (I am not suggesting I thought of this, I just haven't seen this method used to clean the surface of a water stone before). I have been doing it now for a few months and I have used various grits from 600-1,000. Give it a shot :)
I find that 2000 grit sandpaper does the job even better; it cleans the surface nicely, and flattens waterstones slowly so that you can use the sandpaper with every use without any problems.
ı use 180 grit sandpaper and my stone now not working what should ı do
Sure you figured it out by now, but hit it with a diamond plate if you have one. Some stones don't respond well to sandpaper, especially if grit is too high or low @ibrahimakpnar3008
Hello your rest eraser infomercial you just put on I'm definitely going to purchase some of those for my stones and rest I do a lot of metal work prior to polishing this I think will work great thank you🕶"
Another a is a mud style stone it is slurry solidified. Or use rotten stone in sandstone constantly in my stone flattening and forming processes. Some of my favorite polishing compound is rotten opal, In Australian slurry or no obvious reasons diggers have it left over.
Hi Ryky, thanks for the vids! I got myself a pair of the same rust erasers and they cleaned my Shapton stones really well. But I did get worried about my Naniwa super 5k. It felt like it cross contaminated quite a bit. The stone was bobbly and slightly gritty after a few passes. Anyone else having this experience with the Naniwa’s?
I used the exact same brand and use the white writing medium grit eraser on my king 6000 and it left the texture of the stone very coarse feeling coarser than my 1000 and 800. Anything from anybody reading this would be much appreciated.
Yes, use a nagura before sharpening and the stone won't load up to begin with
The best way I new how to clean sharpening stones is with green wheel 80 Grit , sprinkle grit on stones add oil and rub the two stone surfaces together
I didn't know there was multiple types of rust erasers. I was using the rust eraser that kind of looks like the erases pencil markings. Good video I enjoy your videos when I get a chance to watch them. Peace ✌
Thank you - that was really helpful. I bought a rust eraser.
if you arent a professional chef, japanese chef, or need your knife to be insanely sharp and super precise, just get a cheap nagura stone. nagura stones basically has 2 primary functions, clean and correct. the most important function of a nagura stone is to correct the shape of the whetstone; from convex shape back to its original flatten shape. after long usage a whetstone surface can become inconsistent (no longer flat/convex shape) and this can become a problem when sharpening knives especially on lower grit stones whereby a slight error in the angle can cause your edge to be damaged or the stone to be damaged. the other function is to clean; remove metal shavings from previous sharpening, accumulated dirt and whatever thats making it dirty. the only thing you probably need to take note is to not use a lower grit nagura stone on a higher grit whetstone. e.g. for 3000g whetstone, use a 3000g nagura or higher but not too high. you dont want to use a 3000g nagura on a 800g whetstone either, you will just destroy the nagura stone before you can even clean out or flatten the 800g whetstone.
What’s a good one for the chosera 800
@@bri3449 king is a good brand to start from
@@Ace-cv1xd :( I don’t think they make an 800g one
I love your videos, and I’m quickly becoming a fan of Shun. Would you please do a video on your top 5 or 10 cleavers? I’m in the market for my first one.
Thanks
I just rub the stones together. Not exactly by the book but it seems to work.
Now I am searching my local online stores for it....Thanks for the tips.
Any time!
store.burrfection.com/collections/accessories/products/sabitoru-rust-eraser?variant=3203735080150
I just have a double sided whetstone one side is course and the other is fine and I am in my mechanic shop all the time so I usually just grab any oil I can find wd-40, ATF, motor oil etc. I don’t have any whetstones that I use water to soak them in I always use oil
Hey Ryky, could have a video on what the best stones for a knife sharpener to have professionally, since it will get a varied amount of quality from the customers knives
sure. will do a followup
I have one of those "ocean blue" naguras from amazon that works pretty well for stone cleaning. Wears ridiculously slow. Want to try out a rust eraser now though...
use up what you have, then pick up something new when its' time. don't purchase anything unless you really need to
The rust erasers made all my whetstones look brand new. Pro tip fosho !
Just keeping it real!
Do those rust erasers change the surface grit on the stones? Meaning making a very fine stone cut coarser?
Do you have a video on flattening Stones?
Whetstone flattening and maintenance, a video by him about flattening. The rust erasers shouldn’t change the grit. The very top surface may get a little changed, especially if you use one that is really coarse. But, after a few passes it should be back to normal for the most part. If not, fine sandpaper, a nagura, or something similar will bring it back.
no, I just used the rust erasers. It takes off as little of the stone as possible. It also does not alter the grit of your whetstone.
I tried cleaning the 6000 grit polishing side of my King 1K/6K combo stone, which needs cleaning pretty regularly in use, and the medium grit sabitoru rust eraser seemed to be leaving finer particles embedded in the polishing stone surface. I didn't like the feel of that - wasn't sure if was a good idea to continue. Anyone found that in the higher grit stones? Maybe I didn't soak it in water long enough - Sabitoru recommend soaking for a while
@@dan1931 I tried the rust eraser and it did the same to my king 4000! Maybe it’s cause we are both Dans
Thanks my brothers stone was almost black and it was originally white so I cleaned it for him
nice!
@@Burrfection weird how your replying 2 years after you made the video
if all were as white as the sharp pebble we could visually compare how much material each cleaning stone takes off from the whetstones.
"Kill two birds with one stone" Proceeds to kill one bird with two stones.
happy new year ryky may you have more blessings in the coming year cheers
how Howard! its' going to be a great 2018! Happy New Year, and catch you in 2018!
Is cross contamination not an issue if using the grit from different stones are falling into the same water? Does the grit just not stay suspended?
If you're cleaning the stone then yes i would be careful to use the same water. Not a big deal but I'd watch out for it.
Sabitooru observations:
1: You too have problems opening that package as I can see at the end of the video :D
2: Should these be as soft as a hard eraser? From the video I had the impression that these are hard stones like the Naniwa rust eraser.
Is that the same thing as naniwa Dressing stone
after cleaning my whetstone with sandpaper its become like mirror . its not sharpen like before what should ı do?
Thank you for a great video: What can one use to clean a 2000 grit oil stone, or any oil stone for that matter?
Hello, I have been watching you extensively. I have grown tired of paying $65 to sharpen my kitchen knives. So, upon your recommendation I bought a King 1000/6000 whetstone. I want to learn as much as I can prior to my first use. I have watched others and feel your presentations and knowledge are unsurpassed.
I just found out about nagura stones, and ordered on from King. I also wanted to know how to clean them, thus me watching this video. Thank you for your time and putting these on your channel.
If I am not being nosy, what is on your right wrist, and does it have meaning?
Respectfully,
Michael Duncan
Yup. Good approach. Eventually you Will have gained most of the academic knowledge. At that point you need serious sharpening experience. I started becoming quite confident and very effective after 200 - 300. Don’t worry you won’t wreck your knives. But eventually you’ll be able to get them razor sharp without thinking about it. Eventually you’ll learn your own tricks that even UA-cam won’t tell you about. Even after 400 sharpenings, I recently had my wire- burr edge after sharpening on a fine 3000 grit come off the blade just like a fine long hair. Lol. I’ve yet to see that on UA-cam, by anyone. So give yourself some time and after a couple years he will be very good. I’m thoroughly convinced anyone can be as good as Japanese if you apply yourself and our OCD enough.
what did you get to clean your King 1000/6000 stone?? would you mind adding a link please
Patback22 KRAMER by ZWILLING Cleaning Stone for Sharpening Stones off of Amazon.
This is awesome, I need some advice in where to find a sharpening stone with length more than 8 o 9 inches
hmmm. i never measure my stones, but from now on, when i feature stones, i'll try to remember to mention their lengths
How about doing a video on sharpening a straight razor ,
Haha. And I thought I was the only one using the Sabitori rust eraser. But it's the rubbery version, that won't wear the stone as much and will put a fine surface. I do have this medium coarse duo as well for about 2-3 years now, but I like that one more. It's almost new after all these years.
Worse dressing stone for me could be that Naniwa chunk from Chosera packs. Not what I would expect from top notch series (they could learn something from Suehiro here). I couldn't use it on anything from #400 to #12000. Just didn't like it at all as it was. I think it works better if the surface of the nagura itself is prepared on a coarse diamond stone from time to time. I did try this and it made a visible difference.
coolness, thanks for sharing your experience.
I picked up the 800 Chosera and the 3000 Chosera stones after seeing one of your comparison videos! I haven't used them yet! I think I'll use them on my new straight edge razor I just purchased online today! I won't use the 800 grit stone on a new factory finished razor, but the 3000 Chosera and the 8000 and 16,000 Sharpton Glass whetstone to finish up the honing! Even if they say shave ready I at least will strop the razor! It just works miracles when stropping after honing! or do I mean that the other way around?
haha. many people will strop on leather even after polishing on a 20K stone. it's all good.
So I have 6 wurstoff steak knifes that I sharpened on a 400 grit 1000 grit then 3000 grit and then 8000 grit. They have some big chips. So should I try and fix the chips if so how? Or should I buy new steak knifes if so what is a good brand in $150 range for 6 knifes with decent metal?
Hi, Happy new year! hope u r having a great time. I stopped sharpening knives 10 years ago, and now I see it was my technique wrong, so I'm copying yours :) question, do you have like a starting kit recommendation? I have and old 2 sided shun stone, 300 and 1000 both sides are uneven, I want to make some investment know, getting a couple of nice stones, what are recommended, I love Muela knives and I have normal kitchen knives, all the best for '18!
Isn't the zwilling stone really good too?
Hello, Some Vendors state that the Rust Erasers should Soak for 10 minutes.
Some Stones Need a small water jet to be clean.
Thank You.
Good advice
thank you
Great channel Ryky. I have the entire Dalstrong Shogun line, I handed down my Classic
Wusthof set I have had for over 30 yrs to my son. I love the support that Dalstrong provides, it is second to none.
I also have one of the Omega limited and so does my son.
I have learned so much from your videos and they are very appreciated. Are you still doing the card lottery? if so :-) J425
Hey Friend, thanks for sharing the great story. Please stay in touch and Happy New Year!
Best tip ever!
Glad you liked it
Why do you wash away the nagura slurry before sharpening and wash away stone slurry when sharpening? Isnt the point to keep the slurry on the stone...? And the point of the nagura stone to clean the surface and create slurry before actually sharpening to speed up the sharpening process, especially for higher grits?
Amazing video! Thanks!
Thanks for the tip! If I understood your point, you're saying that rust erasers work well for cleaning the whetstones? But we would still need a nagura for flattening them, right? (Sorry for the n00b question.)
'Sabi' is Japanese for rust. 'Touru' is Japanese for 'take' or 'remove'. Together: 'sabitouru'
Where is that link to the Kramer dressing stone? Nice video!
Thanks as always for the valuable content! Quick question:
For my first stone for mainly sharpening a kogatana knife, survival knives and wood working chisels, should I get a King KDS 1000/6000 or just get Cerax 1000 and buy a separate 6,000 later on when I have the money?
Thanks!
go cerax 1k, and get polishing stone later one. always invest in good 1000 stone first.
Should my Whetstone be getting so dirty that I need to clean them after every knife I sharpen? The last time I sharpened my knives my Whetstones got a ton of metal embedded in the surface. An I don't something wrong or is that expected?
What do you mean by cleaning whetstone, does it simply mean to flatten it or does it have a different meaning behind it?
Can we use any cheap (no brand) flattening stone instead of using the rust eraser or quality flattening stone?
cleaning is simply removing load up on the stone. you can flatten, but that takes off a bit more materials, and costs a lot more money to get a flattening stone, than just a stone cleaner. i use the atoma 140 for flattening, but it's pricey burrfectionstore.com/collections/accessories/products/atoma-diamond-sharpener
Can you do a review on the Dalstrong Infinity 8inch chef knife with the black blade? I like to know your opinion about ceramic knifes.
Outstanding video. I am slightly unclear on one issue, can I use a 6,000 grit dressing stone to properly clean the same grit sharpening stone? I do use the rust eraser too. It is amazing!
Ryky - the cleaning stone that came with my Kramer by Zwilling sharpening kit actually jagged the corners of my 5000 grit stone. It's like the cleaning stone chipped the corners off. Maybe I got the cleaning stone center too far off the stone and it caused it to chip. Should this happen? Maybe the cleaning stone moved too far off the main base of the sharpening stone and didn't stay level. It was disappointing.
I can see when you start using the cleaning stone in the video about the 35.30 mark, you aren't using the cleaning stone really off the boundary of the sharpening stone too much. You appear to barely having it overlap over the edge of the sharpening stone at all. Maybe I was getting too far off the stone.
You forgot to explain why are you still up that late........ I watched the whole video waiting for that. lol Anyways I went to get the "Rust Eraser Sabitoru M" because of you.
newborn baby
I aggree the Shapton Pro 120 is fast cutting but faster wearing than the rest of the Shapton's. I like it too, but is there a faster-cutting super coarse stone--perhaps the Atoma 140 or DMT coarse Diasharp? For cleaning whetstones, rust erasers are better than Nagura's and cheap coarse dressing stones. When you say the latter will "destroy" your whetstones, you mean only that they will abrade them, not damage them--right?
It a pain that most of your recommendations are not available in Australia.
ouch.... sorry friend..... have you tried ebay?
Burrfection. Yes, but it looks like i will have to keep looking. I may have to take a holiday to Japan and stock up.
Can I use sandpaper for removing rust on my bluesteel yanagiba on the front and the back side or better use rust eraser??
Happy New Year!
happy new year!
So, basically if Im only using #3000 or lower stones, like the chosera one as example, I dont have to worry about naguras or cleaning it? Thanks!
Hi Ryky I'm thinking about possibly buying a miyabi artisan chef knife and santoku they are rated at 63 on the Rockwell scale and I was hoping you would give me some budget whetstone recommendations in the 1000 6000 and 8000 grit ranges
Hey ryky aaah
I really need to know something how do you dry your stones
Did you ever get little cracks on the 8000 grit snow white???
Because i hear a lot of people having trouble with that
Falcon take them out of the water at them dry before putting them away too much water may activate the materials used🕶"
Thank you, great vid.
if main stone 1000grid,how much grid cleaning stone needs to be? how math works here?
when to clean with eraser, when to clean and flatten with plate (ex Atoma 140)?
Those rust erasers cleaned my shapton pro 8k well but left a rougher looking texture than my atoma plate which leaves it "glassy" looking. Could this affect the finish and/or speed of sharpening? Iirc the shapton website says the stone should have a "mirror like" finish.
Didn't know you were from Boston, Ryky! I'm 30 miles south.
right on, where about? don't get to head back to Boston much these days, but i sure miss the 4 seasons.
I would miss the seasons, too. I'm in Swansea, down on the south coast between Fall River and Providence.
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year. catch you in 2018
You didn't put a link to the Rust Erasers.
Is the name of the rust eraser 'Kuniyoshi'?
Will the rust eraser work on ceramic?
hi there, happy new year everyone. just wondering when we can see the DMT and atoma plates on show...cant wait to see them
working on it!
great, and congrats on the new presents!
Let me ask you: doesn't my almost $400.00 dollars Sharpton diamond Lapping stone clean my stones as they flatten them? Do I really need these erasers as well? What's the benefit in using these as opposed to just the lapping stone???
your shapton plate should be used for flattening, not cleaning. so, yes, you CAN use it for cleaning, but it simply takes off too much material for daily use for cleaning.
he sharpened a freakin butter knife man, this guy does not know what he is talking about. Multiple engeneers developed those 300$ lapping plates you have and I'm soon going to have one myself. i just got the dmt 95 and have a granite slab thats Flat to 2.5 microns. He claims you do not have to have that accuracy because of some reason he half explained. he knows more about making videos than flattening stones. he has to have a reason for use to watch. There are so many videos about diamond lapping and using sand paper that he has to say they don't work so watch my videos. Yes the nagera stones work and smooth your stone out the erasers do good as well. You always get what you pay for especially when it comes to tools. men don't play around when it comes to tools. these are not cell phones or ikea furniture. we are talking about something you shave with on the skin of your face. you can sharpen your razor with an 4000 norton water thats been used to sharpen 3 different blades and not even strop it and still it will cut beard hair. It just won't cut like a a razor should if you don't use a flat surface. those lapping plates are awesome and you will tell a difference between a 20$ tool and a n almost 400. going with the very expensive shapton glass stones are much better than any stone around and its not preference its performance. if this dude prefers to have to struggle through a shave then thats his preference.
Erich Taylor he is good if somebody got offended is their problem
F haters
Erich Taylor I don’t think he’s into razors Or shaving. Seems more like a kitchen knife guy.