Hikigaya Hachiman - A Tragic Portrait of Self-Deprecation (Oregairu)
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Music used:
Song 1 - Fonsa Myma (Night) (Xenoblade Chronicles 2)
Song 2 - Night Sky of July (3-Gatsu No Lion)
Song 3 - Childhood (Ping Pong The Animation)
Song 4 - Wish Upon A Star (Ping Pong The Animation)
Song 5 - Kamome (Yuri!!! On Ice) - Розваги
The past makes you wanna die out of regret and future makes you depressed out of anxiety. So by elimination, the present is likely the happiest time. - Hikigaya Hachiman
It's like the writer remembered all those introspective thoughts he had when he couldn't sleep. Wish I did. Maybe he wrote them down.
I guess it is.
Lol didn't Arsene Wenger say this?
everyone is a slave to their past. no matter how much you wish to move forward, the events of last year will bear down on you like the light of the stars as soon as you glance up. unable to laugh or to banish your past, you carry it ceaselessly in a corner of your heart, waiting for it to resurrect at an inopportune moment. - Hikigaya Hachiman
You are too concerned with what was and what will be. There is a saying: Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present.
I relate very strongly to Hachiman, minus two hot girls developing feelings for me.
Edit: I forgot about Iroha and the teacher, you guys win. Also Saika seems to have a crush on him too, which is incredibly based.
Am
Character like hachiman. Get me seeing the world differently of the those high school years
Four if you consider Isshiki and Saki from the Light Novels
That's really sad, and edgy. Get a life.
@@rightupmyalley617 I'll definitely take life advice and serious criticism from someone with an anime profile picture named "Frantical Weeb Trash..." 🙄
@@TheBasedGreeg yes, because it definitely isn't satire. Sad fuck
hachiman: become human
"We are alive! And we are FREE."
-Hachiman
@098765 Craper he was making a joke out of Detroit: Become Human
human: become hachiman
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@@ericshin6338 Not really.
"wait, Jenga isn't a one-person game?!" -hachiman
I love that line so much, I laughed for like 10 straight minutes in pity.
@@annona718 same lmao
Lmao i feel bad for laughing at him
Wait it is not?
I have only played Jenga solo so... Laugh at me world. Laugh at me.
"Self Depreciation creeps people out if they don't know you well enough."
-Hikigaya Hachiman
When did he say it?
@@shersockholmes6261 season 1
@@pandawithaminigun5333 episode no. tho....I think I remember it , it was near the rumi arc I guess
@@shersockholmes6261 during the tennis match when yui retires for injury ..
Is he wrong? I think it'd be pretty weird if some guy came up to you like "I hate myself. I'm so ugly"
Hikigaya Hachiman
"It is better to be hated for what you are then love for what you are not" "All man are nothing but fools"
This is so true.
@@ianang2274 Please don't believe this. Letting others hate you for 'what you are' is a self destructive belief that won't get you anywhere in real life. We should be willing - no matter how hard it is - to change ourselves for the better. Doing that isn't wrong or 'fake' it just means our willingness to improve and grow from the mistakes we did.
@@IsturisMasaya To be fair, some people will hate for who you are, even if that's the betyer version of you, and you can't do anything about that.
I can't stress enough that people are also actually genuinly looking down on this terrible Society/World.
@@IsturisMasaya Being loved for something that you aren't is arguably worse. It's better to be honest. Not everyone will hate you, and not everyone will love you. Be true to yourself and move forwsrd
when i finished the story i was like
'man.., forget the girls... just hook up with the teacher already fam'
True asf
@@osamabinhappy9355 This!
I'd pick sensei in a heartbeat.
I ship them so much
@@lemao9853 Same
S1: Mehh nice guy, good thinking and weird way of approaching problems.
S2: Weirdness doesn't change. Wait hold up what is your wisdom.
S3: He can rap WHAtTT!!!
The meeting scenes always broke me, no matter what LMAO
@@a.kblur04 the peak of anime was reached when they had a rap battle lmao
@@Geologically that rap battle is literally the only reason I watched it the first time around lmao
@@a.kblur04 tje president of the otjer school is like an Italian on crack
That makes me not want to watch it even more, huh.
The two girls finding value in Hachiman is what makes this show part of the fantasy genre.
*Yukino* makes the show part of the fantasy genre, shes pretty much a Mary Sue-type of character. Replace her with, idk, Hina, and the show would've been realistic as fuck, girls like her and Yui are fucking common
Kalxandore Just like the simulation
@@Kroban_d4c yukino's also difficult for me to like, she's very condescending toward hachiman, usually without any reason to be, and she honestly comes across as haughty. (doesn't help the show itself is keen to make her be the one in the right about things)
@@Soulbone3 there are reasons for her to do that, once you see and understand that, yukino is one of the most fed up characters in this show
@@ryanf3951 i think so too. also i genuinely do not relate hachiman. idk y, i simply cant find his actions relatable pass the edginess of it all. hes so difficult for me to like
This is a depressingly accurate and relatable for a college student.
Volatile groups are all the rage in college. I m dealing with the aftermath myself, and this video was spot on!
Or a 32yr old divorcee
More like for everyone.
Went through this in highschool. There isn't always someone there for you. It becomes clear when they don't keep in touch.
@Instrumentality1000 i'm pretty sure that was a troll article, i saw that too
Hachiman may not realise this but the teacher gave him a second chance at life by making him join the club.
Depression rates is gonna go to zero if teacher like her exist everywhere
Yea true
He does realise this and thanks her for it at the end of S3
Hiratsuka-sensei is the girl he should go out with.
and, I have question regarding Hiratsuka sensei... Is it normal in Japan as a teacher to own such a lavish car???
When it comes to losing, I'm the strongest.
Yeah, bruh. I felt you.
Oh shut the fuck up
Literally me
Fuck off
The only reason you are loosing is because you are following Hachiman's false narrative.
@@callsignkojak6345 literally me
the teacher is really one of the best teacher in anime and doesn't get the credit she deserve......it's rare to find an actual teacher in a romance anime that actually act like an adult and teach the mc throu her life experince ........and not just be another harem/fanservice bait ( even thou she's still best girl)
As cringy as this is,
Hiratsuka Sensei is Best Girl!!!!!
can't wait for season 3!
@@Kevin-Hdz Cringy? Dude its a fact that Shizuka is best girl, Hachiman said it himself that if she was ten years younger he would have married her. Every Oregairu fan knows her to be best girl BUT it would be immoral for a teacher and student to be in a relationship given the age difference between them.
On a side tangent, in the game apparently you can chose the shizuka route and end up marrying her so that's a plus i guess.
@@adrianlewis2536 Game?
@@JacesSanctum There is a game for Oregairu for the PlayStation Vita and PSP and you can choose the different routes, check for a play through on youtube you will find it but it ins't in English sadly.
@@empatheticfrog2052 Dude Snafu's fan-base isn't a toxic cesspool, you didn't have to say it's a joke tho lmfao.
"A lone warrior, surviving hundreds of battles...
when it comes to losing, im the strongest"
Man this is me in Rainbow 6: Seige
Kumagawa would like some words with him.
Sounds like no game no life. Blank. Losing and losing and losing till they lose no more
I dont really understand that saying.. does anyone have an idea in a way?
Michael it means that he has survived many battles and that is why he is so strong because surviving a battle doesn’t mean winning it.
That dialogue from 10:47 - 11:05 really reminds me of this quote:
"Of course I’ll hurt you. Of course you’ll hurt me. Of course we will hurt each other. But this is the very condition of existence. To become spring, means accepting the risk of winter. To become presence, means accepting the risk of absence."
The quote is attributed to Antoine de Saint-Exupéry alleged to be found in one of his letters to Natalia Paley.
I liked that
Then not existing is objectively better.
Nice
@@nowhereman6019 cant do that really
@@nowhereman6019 thats just weak mentality.
I just love Hachiman's words of wisdom... Although i forgot most of them
Me too! I agree and I also love all his quote and I watch it because of that reason. Before I realise, it was a good anime XD
Our brain couldnt handle the wisdom
Lmao what? He's not wise he's just sacrificing and continuing to lie to himself how's that wise
Social Suicide = *W I S D O M*
@@528LE nahh there are some quotes from s1 that actually makes sense unless it goes over your head
Hachiman is such a compelling character. You see the cruel and twisted logic he uses, and understand the source of it as a broken, depressed past. A past he tries to believe is normal. Self-depreciation is such an easy way out, such a nice, neat way of sidestepping your issues. And its easiness leads quite easily to the trap of ignoring your faults until its too late. You think everything is fine, when in reality its all in shambles.
Self-sacrifice is easy when you dont value yourself, when you think your happiness is less important than the connections you so secretly desire. As a fellow loner, I feel for Hachiman, even if I disagree with his methods. His heart is in the right place, and his ability and desire to help others is admirable, despite his self-destructive ways.
Or I could be just projecting my issues to him. Who knows.
Wow
'self-sacrifice is easy when you don' t value yourself, when you think your happiness is less important than the connections you so secretly desire'
Thank you
'self-sacrifice is easy when you don' t value yourself, when you think your happiness is less important than the connections you so secretly desire'
Lemme just copy paste that into my 'random inspiring quotes notes'
wow, your comment just made me tear up a little. it's exactly as you say it is and it hits me very close to home
Save your words of wisdom to continue to share them. That was very deep. You should write if you already don't as even a hobby of sorts. You are very insightful.
Your quote is awesome man thanks
Hachiman has got to be one of the strongest/interesting romantic comedy protagonist of the recent years, really glad you are making a video on him!
I hope you found it enjoyable and/or valuable!
Easily one of my favorite anime, hyped that they announced Season 3.
@@sligen for real ? can you post the announcement link here..please
@@aljhunlegaspi7521 www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-03-18/my-teen-romantic-comedy-snafu-tv-anime-gets-3rd-season/.144649
@@sligen when is the anime coming? I dont see any information on that website
The anime had ended. It was a long journey, some had to wait for 5-7 years to see Hachiman get his "genuine". Thank you Hachiman, Yukino and Yui. You guys will always have a place in my heart.
I have to say it was well worth the year's of wating for this master peace to finish and boy it didn't disappoint goodbye OreGairu its been one hell of a ride and now it's time to close the book on ur story and man what a story it was the ups down' s turn arounds it was great thanks for a wonderful show peace!!!
Yeah it's sad it's over but I loved it every step of the way the music the art ,the story line the openings over all a great show. Now ask for his choice of the girls I kinda had a feeling he'd end with Yukino .
Right here 5 whole years
@@ChosenHeroLink you know the author wrote after stories called oregairu shin. I think it's about 100-150 pages of short stories that take place after the events of the anime. Theres also speculation that the author of the LNs will make Oregairu his life work and write more about the characters and their future. One can only hope this happens.
@@757Bricksquad You know I heard about that if that happens maybe he'll make it into an ova series I would love to see what happend after high school and stuff
And I watched it 1 week😂...loved it💯
“If the truth cruel. Then lies must be kind. That’s why kindness is a lie” - hachiman
that line was sooo MUCH relateable i maybe not relate everything to hachiman not all
but
i can relate to that line
"Love is a dagger. It's a weapon to be wielded far away or up close. You can see yourself in it. It's beautiful until it makes you bleed." - Loki
That makes sense bc there's no such thing as altruism, I believe we all want something in return. It could even be as small as hoping people would also return the same kindness.
Extract from the books
"What I desired wasn’t to act friendly with anyone.
What I desired was definitely something genuine. Anything else, I didn’t need.
Even if you didn’t say anything, it would reach; even if you didn’t do anything, it’d be understandable; even if anything happened, it wouldn’t break.
That illusion that was far from reality and foolish, yet beautiful. "
For as much as Hachiman wants that ever elusive "genuine friendship" that he theorizes about and desires, he just as much wants to be understood without having to work for it and putting himself at risk of getting hurt. Towards the latter half of the series when he is given the superficial friendship that he loathed from a distance, he accepts his newfound "friends" very readily and easily.
In the end, I think much of Oregairu is about showing that Hachiman isn't someone exceptional whose thoughts and actions are genuine reflections of the world, but the misguided defence mechanism of a young boy who has never learned to socialize properly and is afraid of getting hurt.
I like your proper use of semicolons. 8man is the best girl 2019
If you're gonna call me out just @ me dude.
No u
@Supreme Ace the stagnated situation after hachiman does the issue of the false confession, plus how yuigahama and him keep it like that after the iroha election problem, where they dont say nothing but senseless and common stuff passing time away
thank you for calling my boi out on this. i love 8man but he wants to take the easy way out. real love/ friendship takes lots of hardwork and sometimes compromises are needed. nothing worth having comes easy
No anime I've seen had ever made me feel the way I did with Oregairu.
It's a pool of mixed powerful emotions for me.
same
watch nisekoi
@@Nikki-zp9bd no, read nisekoi. The anime is a hot mess, the manga less so
as for Oregairu, I literally cannot watch S2E8-E13 without getting goosebumps because of how deep every word hits for me
TranAran watch toradora
If you want to cry, watch anohana
this hits harder now that it’s over
I literally just finished it and tbh I’m glad my boy is happy
I doubt that I will ever get over the fact that yui took such a huge "fall" so that hiki and yuki could be together, not expressing her true feelings for hiki, but instead accepting that hiki had already fallen for yuki. That was what hit me the hardest once I finished the show. Truly one of the saddest parts of this show, and the perfect way to get someone to cry at the end of it. Though I do feel for yui fans (like myself) as the ending, though tying the struggles of the show together, really hit the hardest due to the sad reality that yui will have to face in the future (along with the distortion of their group flow). Imagining another season (if there would have been one) crushes me in that sense. Though, I would say that I still enjoyed the show, and will re-watch it again one day.
O_0 You feel that he should've chosen Yui?
yeah, I wanted to see more hachiman and yukino together tho
@@Daniel-pb1xe same man. wish polygamy existed :(
Hachiman: *breathes*
"Depressed" 14 year olds: "He's literally me"
Honestly didn't want Hachiman's complexity to be perceived as "He's literally me" by the surface level fandom
Ikr
those who said that will regret after watching s3 eps 11.
People just see traits of him in them to feel relatable. No one can really be him, he is just too complex through his own experiences.
Hachiman is literally one if not ever the most depressing character ever to exist in Anime/LN history. He lives and solves problems through Social Suicides so that a world where others' superficial relationships are still okay exist.
The ones that have being in his shoes... and know his pain will never admit it or say that I am like him.
"Destroy the current world and create a new one and become the god of it"
Is there a more badass line?
That line makes me remember of sasukes revolution
La El Lelouch
@La El Ikairi Shinji lol
"I destroy the world and create it a new!" -Lelouch Vi Britannia - 2007
"But I got good news. There's no need to wonder where your god is, cause he's right here ... and he's fresh out of mercy" -Kirito from Sao abridged
First we have season 3 announced and now we have a video by Aleczandxr about Hachiman suicide is indeed postponed
Suicide postponed? Hopefully completely dismissed.
And yes season 3!
hachiman suicide? What is this about?
When is season 3 coming out?
@@arizibra921 winter 2019 maybe
@@nayemshahrier624 ahhh thank you
My guy 8man using algebra in human emotions...
Imagine if someone uses Calculus.
@@masterdementer my guy I used trigonometry and quantum physics
@@GachaRuby You know what Calculus is? It's used in quantum physics as well. There are problems also based on trigonometry which require Calculus. (If you choose Maths as your main subject in high school you can't escape calculus)
that wasn't funny but i still laughed fuck you
If it is possible to precisely understand the randomness of quantum physics, then maybe we can use some sorta the equation to understand human emotion.
Yukino: *wears thigh-highs*
Me: Welp I guess she's best girl
Nope its Hiratsuka-Sensei
She's not a mom tho
I gatta agree with ARAN here
@@karnakua8054 best sensei
"But this state of affairs is interrupted by two young women..."
Sadly Hachiman's story is very rare. In real life the most common outcome is the alternate where these people are left to their own devices. Everyone who eventually finds their footing in life has been lifted up by someone at some point in their lives,but the vicious thing about this condition is it impedes just that.
Also this anime got one thing wrong. I think.
I mean after Hachiman shows his vulnerability or rather as soon as he does that, the girls would drop him, never speak to him again,etc. Its just from the many experiences that people share why men shouldn't open up but I read about it on Quora and I also have my own experience
I hate to be that guy but damn dude, you've had some fucked experiences, I've had a few people drop me after I was "vulnerable" but they were fake af. You just need to find some real people and build REAL tangible friendships, which I think our 8man has done.
@@ihatetobethatguybut7175 Exactly.
THE MOMENT you show vulnerabilty in real life is the moment people and especially women lose all respect for you as a man. You can theorically open up on some random shit that isn'T really a weakness to make you appear vulnerable to show that you are human but crying and wanting things to be real is so weak it's creepy.
@@williambrown2135 This does not happen automatically. They will just gradually lose respect for you and in the end you will be left alone.
As for real tangible friendship that does not exist.
@@BluBoulzor Vulnerability is about balance. It's necessary for a healthy relationship, but too much of it will leave your friends alienated. The only reason a prior lack of vulnerability would kill your relationships is because people saw you as an overwhelmingly strong, emotionally powerful figure. Someone to learn from. Vulnerability is something that needs to be shown from the get-go, so that you can have a balanced relationship with other people. I promise you, good friends will not drop you the moment you show weakness, nor will they drop you weeks or months after that moment.
One of anime's best protagonists, and such an underdiscussed anime.
Damn right! I guess people wasn't interested in it because they assumed it would just be another cliche'd anime, that and i heard people said it was "Boring"
most underrated anime ever
@@adrianlewis2536 the most of them are probably kids around 12-14 years old and dont understand what anime is about
wanna know why? because majority of anime fans are idiots (in oregairu they greatly resemble TOBE).
only wants a stupid action fighting scenes
only wants fanservice. etc etc
they don't like things that will make them realize stuff or things that would make them use their brains.
but then again they are the most beneficial as they are the ones who dish out money the most.
i always find myself arguing with people IRL just to explain stuff why this anime is good and why they should not judge it as shallow as they do.
and it is very tiring. even a simple explanation of kimi no nawa on why both of them could interact with each other when they both live in different time. seriously even in grade school science / physics is taught. so I fail to understand why they don't know stuff like parallel world theory , time - space continuum, quantum mechanics etc etc.
or even the most simple thing that everyone experienced (in reference to oregairu) people have circle of friends, some are loners, etc etc. they should , no they MUST know it themselves. srsly.
@@saisame7975 I mean I could y understand why they say that cuz most anime like this are just clichéd hot garbage but I wouldn't call it boring and it isn't for everyone smart-ass with your "they don't understand anime" I liked the anime but that's it
In this kind of genre. Oregairu is the goat for me. The wait is worth it.
Certainly is
He got the genuine thing he longed for. His development is the best honestly.
I also think people don’t realize, Hikki’s world view is most likely the authors world view. It’s why the author was able to paint such a picture with words that had a thousand meanings behind them, probably because the author felt this way and wanted to project it onto a character. I truthfully honestly admire this author because most likely this thought process was similar or just was his own
This is just good character writing 101, with enough practice and editing it’s common to write characters with different worldviews then yourself. All of the characters have well written perspectives that differ because the author is good at writing characters.
@@ruriva4931 Agreed
There was something a postscript or an interview of the author that he appreciates his own school life experience in younger age.
If I remember correctly, Wataru Watari has a fairy strong knowledge of psychology ( he might have been graduated in that, i'm not sure. ) so.... it might not come from HIS personal experiences, at least not completely.
SNAFU, an anime that’s so deep it encourages viewers to right essays in UA-cam.
Most underrated commentary.
I think one of my favorite things about this series is how the story both confirms and denies a lot of his ideas about the world. He is right about some things, and in some ways he's completely wrong. They do that for all of the characters and I love that. He's a character that's overly cynical, rude, and rather elitist. He's creepy and people treat him like it.
But, he does want to help people. He's not a bad person, and he will sacrifice himself for others. Yet he actively avoids becoming better, and everything else relating to change or fixing something.
And I love it.
I should mention this is based on novel him. Anime him is less of a creepy, sarcastic dude. But he's still great either way.
And one of the morality of this anime, is to be willing to be vulnerable, to develop stronger connections, while also risking being hurt. Risking being hurt, to experience something greater, that's the leap of faith we should all have. Protecting ourselves constantly is no way to live, but that's what feels most natural, to protect the ego. Let the ego die, let the defenses fall, and open yourself, to yourself first, and then to others.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Nuff sad, great words
@@planetary-rendez-vous Great way to become public ennemy number 1. No wait public nice guy number 1.
Crazy how the show had almost nothing at stake but still managed to create so much interesting drama
Because it have something at stake. The relationship between each character.
there is
not two young woman bro, 3 cuz sensei helped a lot, in my opnion she helped more
That's your opinion. This is his.
@@serratedcreature890 it's more of a fact to be fair.
lmao imagine how quickly this anime would've ended if sensei was in the same class
Hiratsuka-sensei: *SEE HIKIGAYA HE SAYS I'M A YOUNG WOMAN*
We all need someone like Hiratsuka sensei
One of my favourite characters in anime. It's strange how well people can relate to him. Nice dissection.
Thanks.
Hachiman is probably the most relatable characters in anime, His character is so unique yet hypocritical to the point of being so realistic in terms of what people's true desires are. What i'm trying to say is the people have totally different reactions and changes to their personality depending on the level of trauma they have been through. Yet with hachiman he claims to not care and try to be ignorant yet he selflessly helps others by discarding his feelings and the feelings of others around him.
So relatable, but why ? So many young people of our generation end up in a condition like him... And that's even easier to tell yourself you don't need connection when you can easily isolate yourself in the internet.
@@planetary-rendez-vous yup, that's why the author makes/build the story in high school, an environment where someone obliged to attend and interact (forced by teacher in 8man case), so he could weave an relatable story in that direction.
Now i think about it, the teacher is the MVP of this story actually, since she's the one who put them and makes the interaction running. Well i guess most young people in this generation really need that "teacher" character to bring out their social life from internet.
@@BerryBabaBear Hnnnng I wonder if people like him are actually waiting for a savior, like that teacher.
I watched this anime after my high schooldays, and as I watched I pitied Hachiman. I knew that he was lying to himself and how hypocritical he was and that made me sad for him. But it wasn't until the end of season 1 (I believe) when I understood why I pitied him so much. His outward persona, his fear, his judgmental nature was the same attitude I had in high school. An attitude that is still attached to me, but less significantly. I claimed I didn't care what people thought, that I wasn't significant enough for anyone, family included. I kept to myself because I hated to interact, whenever I did express myself, people would start to despise me. One time an entire classroom did. Multiple times teachers have. I was so used to it and expected everyone to hurt me in some way. But if I had to and if I could, I would put on a friendly face and just smile until I couldn't hold it anymore or the interaction ended.
I pitied Hachiman because I saw myself in his actions and outward belief. People have wronged me and stepped on me my whole life. Distrust formed and a terrible view of myself was made. If anything good was happening, I would question it, get scared, and sometimes even miss the comfort of sadness. Sadness, isolation, it all felt safe. I became virtually masochistic, allowing bad things to happen to me on occasion because, "Why fight the inevitable?", "If it happens, it happens," and, "It's expected." I expect bad things to happen, if it goes good for me, I retreat. Back to safety.
Hang in there, brother. I feel you. I hope you are doing better now.
Man, I'm in high school right now and I just can't shake the feeling that you just said my life experiences even my reactions to all the situation, For example if something bad I will just accept it as just "this is how it's going to be no matter what" and also if something good happens you doubt it and just can't trust people.
But man I have friends now so I guess I'm getting or feeling slightly better now. But still thanks for sharing you opinion on the internet so a kindred soul like me could see it. Hope it gets better for you man so CYA.
@@osmanmohammad9118 It's a struggle but we all just gotta live for what we love. I just tell people like it is. I just tell them the truth and leave it up to them. You know when I was younger I was actually developing white hair and I'm inclined to think it's mostly because of all the stress I had particularly in high school.
I guess you just can't believe people like that exist. Just do what you gotta do and if they get physical walk away or defend yourself. Sometimes people just have to learn how to treat you. It's sad, it really is but that is the truth (albiet as unfortunate as it is). Get out of that hell. Get out of it and never go back.
@@chocobochick5390 Wow man thanks for the support. Nowadays I'm making a better more positive view of the world and yeah I guess I'm happy there are people out there who aren't bad I learned something important, it's kind of like a qoute but I like it "There are bad people in this world but they definitely aren't around".
- Also thanks for the reply of this comment. CYA
@@osmanmohammad9118 Anytime
“It is impossible to not hurt someone. Humans unconsciously hurt others by simply existing. Whether you are alive or dead, you keep hurting people. Getting involved will hurt them, but trying not to get involved might hurt them too. But if it's someone you don't care about, you won't notice you've hurt them. What's important is your awareness of it. It's because you care about them, that you feel like you've hurt them. Caring about someone means being resolved to the fact that you'll hurt them. The more people care for each other, the farther out of reach certain things get. But that's not something to be sad about, I think it's probably something to be proud of.”
-Shizuka Hiratsuka
This quote basically reflects Hachiman’s entire character arc, which personally I find to be one of the most compelling and emotionally resonant in anime. His loner exterior is a facade to protect his fragile heart. His self-image and perception of the world are drastically warped through this lens. And yet, he still craves something genuine.
Hiratsuka-Sensei is, with this short quote, essentially saying that the genuine he seeks exists in a place you can’t reach without taking that extra step. That kindness and caring aren’t weaknesses. Rather, one should feel pride in the notion that they can care for someone deeply enough to fear hurting them or losing them. Of course, it’s multi-faceted (there’s LEVELS to the subtext in Oregairu) but this theme is really rather beautiful to me. Hachiman learning to find value in himself and the relationships he cherishes isn’t a very complex character arc, and yet the simplicity of it is what makes it so... genuine. Oregairu really presents some of the most distinctly human arcs in anime - they’re often not grand, but rather the answer was always right there in front of them.
I have to say, I love the line at the end of the video a lot.
“Taking that extra step and becoming vulnerable is what being human is - it’s duality. You can’t have the joys of connection without risking the sorrows.”
I love this anime and I truly love watching your videos.
The anime portrayed his past in a joking, comedic demeanor to the audience. Because of that probably only a few fully understood what his torment felt like and only have a glimpse of idea towards it.
Thank you for enlightening me. I love this anime and it's finally over. Thank God Hachiman found the genuine relationship that he longed for all this time.
I know it will sound like I'm an edgy 14 year old, I'm not, I'm 21. But that basically was how I grew up and turned into especially my last year of high school. The only difference is I still haven't changed..
@@TainyaGaming You can change ,but you don't have to. I am nearly 30 and can relate to 8man. When I was younger it was the same for me so my worldview was a bit like his and now I am genuinely happy,even so I am sometimes overthinking things
It makes me think of Bojack Horseman where he thinks of his horribly traumatic and abusive past in a comedic manner in the first season.
Familiar with the phrase, "if I don't turn it into a joke, it will destroy me."?
I really find Hachiman to be one of the few realistic Main characters in Anime and it is unfortunate that so many people can self identify with such a character but it is the way it is. :(
@@blackskyirregular9876
It is easier with the rise of social media as well. Surround yourself with people that share your interests, but maintain that digital divide at a comfortable distance. It is when you meet in person, that the stakes are higher, the potential joy and the potential pain much greater.
People want to make an effort. I think it's wrong to say that people don't. But people are afraid of being hurt. They want friendship without the sacrifice and without the emotional turmoil.
Facts... Sadly the world is a cruel one.
We're just a bunch of Hachimans lol
A word on the 8man? You're too kind.
Did you mean 80k?
@@rifkifirdaus2199 Nope, I think 8man = Hachiman
Well, ichi=1
IchiMan=10000
Hachiman=80000
Ruth Blithe69 so man is ten thousand? I thought it would’ve been something like juu sen
@@rifkifirdaus2199 The power is over 80K !
It's a lame joke, I know.
When I was becoming a true weeb back in 2016, I treated Hachiman as a philosopher; a way I believed I should act because of the pain of the past. I hung both of his essays on my wall and I read them everyday. That year I was a self proclaimed loner who avoided all friendships.
When you said, “Those who outwardly mock the state of society from a detached position, may actually be more craving than one thinks,” looking on it now as an adult really really was me.
Damn I’m really crying in 2019. It’s 1AM I gotta go to bed.
To be honest Hachiman does say a lot of things thats are true. That is the reason why he is able to help people. He can be very blunt because he has no relstionship with you and does not have to protest your feelings. But I am happy that he was able to work on himself Also and challenge the beliefs he has thought of as fact for a long time. This would not happen in the teacher did not point him at the right direction.
"It's okay to be vulnerable"
Too bad we won't have the plot armour like Hiki did.
You're right but shut up
Finally Oregairu's themes get more of the recognition they deserve. It's always saddening to see people complain about the "drama" that "ruins" season 2 when everything had been building towards this sort of story from the very beginning. I liked Oregairu for taking a philosophy that the audience would certainly resonate with and then tearing it apart, though I suppose not all of the audience appreciates being told that they're wrong.
Also wishful thinking, but I think a followup video regarding his interactions with and a vindication of Yukino would be promising. A lot of people didn't seem to understand how much their dynamic shaped each of the two and that a lot of conflict stemmed from both of them being too altruistic for the other. Again, disheartening to see people call her bland or blame her for the conflict in season 2.
I totally agree, I was completely bemused when I heard people criticizing the dramatic nature of S2. Felt totally natural to me. And sorry, but I don't have plans for a video of that nature. Maybe by the time S3 rolls around (and if I'm still making videos by then) I might change my mind. But right now there aren't any plans. Sorry about that.
@@Aleczandxr No worries; thrilled that you even replied here! Honestly, I already feel satisfied/vindicated enough from seeing that you agreed about the drama thing.
to me season 2 was way too slow pace for some reason, it feels like it would be better if they only make 9 or 10 ep.
Wait... the whole drama thing aside, people dislike Yukino?
I can understand not liking her at the beginning, but how can one dislike her by the end? Even though I honestly like Yui more as a character, if I had to choose who was better for Hachiman, it'd have to be Yukino. Though I can't describe it too well, it just feels 'right'. Or is that just me?
I think only people who dislike the second season are the ones who just wanted a typical romantic comedy to develop among the three. Unfortunately Oregairu is way more deep for them.
I'm very excited, but also kind of afraid of season three. I' m super happy we're finally getting a continuation (and hopefully a conclusion) to the story, but I like both of the girls a lot and knowing one of them is inevitably going to get hurt makes me sad...
Or you could just play the VN and make everyone happy (Disclaimer: This may or may not require multiple playthroughs).
Im fairly certain that i read somewhere that the VN isn't actually canon, it's just there for the fans. You get a lotta Saika tho so its worth.
Bruh. In volume 13, the club is gone. 😢
Just what they say "Accept the Reality"
rey bladen who dies hachiman chise
Realistically speaking, often the happiness of one comes at the expense of the happiness of someone else.
and if you are an empath , you will be the unhappy one always but at least you did the right thing
@@gandalainsley6467 hmm
@@gandalainsley6467 Not if you're a dark empath. You always win then.
But in pursuit of genuine happiness, sacrifice has to be made, yes despite there will be harm, but in the end a reasonable best outcome will still be an overall pleasant one.
@@s.z.x.01 True only for the person seeking that happiness.
Just heard the first 2 minutes, I’m gonna watch this entire show real quick and I’ll be right back after lol
Did u watch it?
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Am still waiting tell me did u watch it all?
Legit what i did
I want to watch it too
Loner is okay, because it can protect you from opportunist and advantage. Also keep eye on them, observe, and look the background. In school you will always see many "plastic" people.
Rey Crusader II Very true
You may clad yourself in armour but until you shed that shell, until you sit down with someone and open up to them, just as they would open up to you, you will always see the plastic people. You are as plastic as the people you observe, until you connect with someone else.
Malthias The problem is is that I am very disconnected from my feelings. My cowardice trumps all and I can’t live without lying to everyone and myself.
It's better to be protective, and watching there thoughts. Life is so mystery, and people surrounding is also a mystery. The real friends you can do odds handshake, or odd sign fellow friend. Like a true partner in crimes of gags.
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< Hachiman is probably my favourite character in anime ever.
So hyped for s3!
Is it announced yet?
@@themightychondria Yes it was announced about 2 months ago! Release date hasn't been announced yet though to my knowledge.
@@IchiExorz can't wait😍
Are you still waiting brother?Im rewatching for season 3
@@WolfManLego Still waiting & hyped af!
Gnna start rewatching too!
When people don't understand that he grew up without emotional support as a child while being bullied for being different from others (not his eyes, those came in/after middle school). It eventually shackled him to be a better person all around, not just at his core, his and Yukinoshita's places could be switched so easily.
Oregairu is an anime that made me actually think a lot of the story. Will always remain in my heart forever.
A SNAFU vid????? Did not expect it but so happy you did it!!
This was very depressing but such a good video and now I'm gonna re-watch the whole series
What timing cause I am currently rewatching the series
@@chappiescollectables Hahahah I guess this is preparation for season 3
Lol, thank you! Get that rewatch in.
I watched the whole series like more than 7 times xd
Carter Sordack wait, Since when Season 3 were announced?
When I first watched this anime, I immediately felt a strong connection with Hachiman, and I understood the logic behind all of his thoughts and actions. There's nothing in the series that he says or does that is in any way incorrect or dishonest (until eventually it builds up to his hypocrisy through the forced plot development of a fantastical harem romance). Obviously, I'm both older than the characters, and have lived my life in this manner since before Hachiman was ever conceptualized, it's not as if people who are hyper-rational, hyper-practical, self-centered, uncharacteristically empathetic, AND self-deprecating are really a rarity in this cold, dishonest, superficial world.
Even though I consider the character of Hachiman to be an incredible representation of an actual person living a real life in the real world, where he fails completely for me is in that real world of his. It's very similar to our own, but it isn't actually our real world. He exists within a fantasy world, and the genre to which he pertains ruins the core sentiment behind his character.
It's all well and good to say you do or do not relate to Hachiman in some or many ways, none of that matters, he's not real and doesn't exist in reality. The underlying messages about the duality of man, the prevalence of hope and empathy and supposedly genuine human connection, and love, all serve to fill the purposes of what the anime itself needs to be. A compelling and entertaining, fictional, romance story. And so, it turns the anime itself into a superficial façade.
Religious beliefs notwithstanding, whether or not there is some almighty "author" or "story director" for our lives, we can't say, (though, even for those who believe there to be some higher force, many commit to the concept of "free will" so all of our actions are not being deliberately written for the purposes of a greater narrative). Hachiman, however, IS simply a character in a story, and everything about him and his life and the way events play out for him is simply storytelling and driven by the force to satisfy that entertaining romance story. He doesn't live in our real world, where the harsh truth is, despite what the message may be that "there will always be someone to care for you" or whatever, in reality that is a delusion. There is no entitlement to having anyone in the world care for or about you at all, and while it certainly can be influenced by your actions towards others, there is no reason to believe that "human connections" will prevail like they do in a neatly planned out fictional story.
I agree with the idea that these superficial interactions, these cowardly tactics used to keep society in a stasis, they are just ways to avoid risking too much in exchange for a complacent sense of basic, hollow happiness. And it is stupid to not simply take the actions necessary to attain the happiness you seek. The problem is, not only is everyone not on the same page about honesty, but nobody has to accept your personal goals and affections because you don't have to matter to anyone. Simply being interested in another person and trying to make a connection with them, however sincere and genuine you may be, does not mean the other person has to care about you and repay your efforts to connect with their own.
Simply put, some people, no matter how hard they try, will not have the connections they long for and will continue to lead lives of self-imposed martyrdom and self-inflicted humiliation to contribute to the world that has scorned them anyway. It's not about BELIEVING wholeheartedly that the world is a horrible nightmare that has no place for you, or BELIEVING that eventually someone will show genuine care. It's about HOPE, a fallacy of logic. Deep down, we all HOPE for certain things to go well, whether based on our efforts or based on our wishes. But it's the most irresponsible feeling one can have. Considering that the world IS actually a horrible nightmare with no place for some people regardless of their sense of empathy and longing for connections, then HOPE only serves to continually harm these people by misleading their thoughts, actions, emotions, and perspectives. The original perspective Hachiman adopted where he finally stopped hoping really is the most ideal way to live life if you are the kind of person Hachiman considers himself to be. Once again, however, obviously, Hachiman himself is not the kind of person he is originally portrayed as because the story demands it, and most people in reality are also not this way because they either have some intrinsic value to their existence, or at a minimum, cannot wholeheartedly agree with this entire way of thinking.
Most people, at a bare minimum will at least cling to hope, or love, or some other pleasant-sounding concept to drive them, and that's fine, because most people have value. This sentiment I have of understanding and truly relating with the original character of Hachiman is meant for the few of us who have no hope, and it's not a bad thing. We will continue to work hard and care for others, we will continue to act on cynicism and rational sacrifice instead of perpetuating the falsehoods of interpersonal relations. And we will continue to lose, time and time again, so as to be prepared for the next inevitable disappointment and humiliation life throws our way, and not have to bear the full brunt of being demolished by the dishonest, uncaring void of a world we live in.
@INOS Legacy of Discord I feel like that missed the point. Taking actions to pursue your goal is about all you can do. But the problem is, there's no guarantee that even with the best of your efforts, will you achieve what you set out to. I can move a stone fairly easily whether or not I hope to, sure. But what if we change it to a boulder, or a mountain? Or to compare it to something else, what if I hope to outrun Usain Bolt? Surely you wouldn't discourage an Olympic Sprinter from training to do so. Clearly I'm no Olympic Sprinter, but is that to say I don't have the same capacity to work just as hard as one? Certainly not, Olympic Sprinters are just people who have put in the extreme effort, yet, why can I not hope to reach the same levels as them?
Because all men are not created equal. We try to deny that fact because it sounds like an injustice and it implies that we may discriminate, and that is wrong, but that's not the point. Whether or not we treat each other with the same respects, I will never be able to achieve the things that other people who are smarter, stronger, more charismatic, and/or more handsome than me no matter how much effort I put into doing so, I just can't compare. And if I were to hope so, simply because I know I am capable enough to work as hard or harder than anyone to reach a specific goal, I'm only being ignorant of the reality that I'm not good enough or that my goal is unattainable.
The easiest example from my personal experience would be similar to what Hachiman understands kindness to be as, condescension. I am generally accepted in my social circles as a kind, hardworking, generous person. People like the me that they think they know. So whenever I have been rejected or failed in my pursuits of happiness, which is every time so far, the people around me IRRESPONSIBLY give me words of encouragement and I hate the platitudes, it really does feel so condescending to be encouraged. For the same reason you wouldn't encourage a person to try to move a mountain, you shouldn't just recklessly encourage anyone if you personally can't guarantee it.
It's all well and good to tell someone they will pass their test, don't worry, because you can support it with the fact that they are intelligent and they are studying and they can receive assistance to prepare, and all sorts of factors that would allow you to comfortably give them reassurance.
But it is IRRESPONSIBLE to just tell someone to keep trying, when there's not only no guarantee to their success, but not even a standard formula for them to keep trying to achieve that success with. And that is why I hate hope. I have such high expectations of everyone around me and of my efforts yielding results proportional to my work, but it's stupid of me to think that way.
Disappointment is the only true force I can count on. Disappointment will never let me down. So I need to simply live practically and do whatever I can to lessen the impacts of my oncoming disappointments, and forget about hope because sometimes some people just weren't cut out to have certain things in life.
I love you bro. lmaO!!! Hahahahaha! I read every fuck word you comment. Honestly, the only thing I rely on in this life is my ability to discern wisdom and insight. I'm currently on a journey to knowledge of self. Personally, I don't believe in "happiness or sadness". I think it's a relative choice to just be happy in spirit and to not attach happiness to external impermanent changing things. Love itself is one of those things too. I don't know anything about this anime, but I do relate to the character. Co-dependency is usually a situation where one sacrifices themselves daily for others, while others take advantage of them as well and I have decided to once and for all give that shit up. What I liked about your response to this video is your insight on the clinging to "hope". Shit it is so spot on. I hoped the woman who was my ex could work things out with me again after we reunited briefly for a funeral just for her to turn around and shit on me, after I adorned her with gifts. This taught me a valuable lesson about having expectations and then expecting others to fulfill them which is a form of "self-seeking" love. A love which is self-centered, because the moment it doesn't get what it wants it becomes abusive and hate filled. This in turn has made me ponder whether love of any kind is even REAL if it only takes a change in tide for it to just vanish. Hence, I agree. Give up on hoping for shit, because this life is uncertain. Hence, I have turned to the buddhist philosophies in terms of learning detachment and over coming the 5 hindrances. I have always enjoyed my ability to quickly gain insight and my ultimate goal is spiritual power. I honestly don't believe in true happinessness in this world. This doesn't make me unhappy. Just determined to learn the TRUTH and that itself has always been the most abiding happiness for me even perhaps at the sacrifice of myself. (Buddha : "There is no self") This "hope" as you say is just another attachment. A false, "expectation" to a future which has no obligation to fulfill anything we think we're entitled to except the now and present of ourselves and what we have.
This paragraph is basically why I dropped this anime to be honest. Hachiman is cool, but I despite the environment and side characters that were created solely to make him look smarter and more special than those who live more outside of their head. Yeah, I get his life logic, he and I have pretty similar personality, but Hachiman feels more like a male Marry Sue, where his philosophy is absolute and the people around will eventually realise how 'stupid' their ways are and how 'misunderstood' he is, which is bullcrap. People have different views on life, yours being the most cynical doesn't make it the most true.
Honestly, I like Tomoko much more. She has a somewhat same perspective, but deep inside she still has the desire to be happy and have human connection, which makes her more relatable to me. Her life is the complete opposite of Hachiman. Where his life hands him two hot girls on a silver plate, she has to try and fail miserably at every step she took, and though she keeps on trying and crawling with her anxiety and cynical viewpoint weighting her down, he just sits there spewing monologue from his arse.
In conclusion, I find that a lot of these brooding introverted characters are wrongly praised just because they're cool and edgy while still being similar to the readers. They have great potential for good stories, to be sure, but most of the time they're just to satisfy some loner hormonal teenage boy's fantasy.
@@hoangkienvu7572 The thing with 8man, is that he is cynical due to self preservation, he was harshly bullied before high school, he deep down wants a nice relationship with others, you can find that with zaimokusa and totsuka, how he can be less on edge around them, he wants to help others, otherwise he wouldnt have jumped and saved yui´s dog and getting her leg broken, after being down so much one generates a pessimistic view around others, check out the first time he meets haruno, yukino sister, he sees through her facade due to learning the hard way, tomoko struggle is no less compared to hachiman, both are hard to watch, and sadly, if one relates to them it hurts all the more, in 8man case, he was forced to join the service club since he is so stubborn he would never take the first step, as he is scared of it, which is actually normal, it is hard to take the first step and sometimes its better to have one give the necessary push, also, 8man is not smarter than the others in no way, what happens is merely he puts the "nicest" solution, delaying the problem, which sometimes it could be misunderstood as being a smart move where its not, see the confession incident, nothing says that the guy wont try again in other moment, rumi, we see how during the xmas event that she was still alone, 8man basically is at the end of the self deprecation, a level lower than tomoko, as he self destructs if necessary and is cautious of everything, the drama of s2 was necessary and was a thing that was a must, otherwise 8man and all the others would be stagnant in their views.
As a side point, i must say too that, in this, after going reading it, it is not the characters i feel a connection with, as weird as it sounds, its with the author, specially with the small but acurate afterwords at the end of each volume, watari wataru uses his past experiences and views, from both back then and now, which i came to see with 8man, komachi and hiratsuka sensei, the way the latter are written, really makes them feel like if real sisters or teachers were in the story, as how hiratsuka gives real life advice, seen in the bridge scene, or how komachi supports her brother, wants him be happy and shows true filial love, not something uncanny like stuff from other shows, which sells me great interactions, the better one can do reading the novel, is not say "hey, i thought like x char once, or i totally get it" its more to do an instrospection of oneself and see how to affront reality, as hachiman says when seeing through haruno "ideals are ideals, reality is not like that, its way harsher"
@@HaxeRain As I said, Hachiman is a cool character, and there's a lot of wisdom from him and from the light novel, it just that the character just fails to shine in this environment. The world in the anime is still too bright and ideal, which makes him look more like a spoiled brat who can't appreciate what he was given and instead brooding over things that he himself says that he can't have. He was given a chance to show his kindness deep down the day he saved the dog, and then the owner of the dog, who happens to be a cute girl, went to him and offered her genuine friendship. What is about that that is the 'reality' that he constantly talks about? And even though he continuously being a jerk to her, she still persists to be by his side, which is just hard to watch for me. And even though he was bullied when younger, that's the only real negative scenario we have. His thoughts are interesting, but his actions are just unbearable.
If only the author toned down the harem, and not made every female character a hot popular diva, this could have made a better show for me. Because ironically, Hachiman is the one who live in his ideals, and although his wisdoms apply in the real-real world, in his world, they feel wrong and conflicting, which is largely because there are no back-ups for his logic, whereas for Tomoko's we see plenty. And then we are constantly shoved down our throat that the real world is like that, and that he is right, which is frustrating. Hachiman and Tomoko are indeed similar, but whereas one is portrayed as a fool, the other is as a scholar.
The concept for the character is good and can be considered revolutionary, but the application into storytelling of a harem rom-com is poor. To me, at least. The show and light novels still have many praises, so perhaps I'm the only one who have some kind of personal agenda to them.
Man , i really wanted hikki to end up with yui. I always hated that the softest one has to accept the hardest thing (in here , she has to accept that hikki would choose yuki). Her breakdown moments where she cried and her mother comfort her is the saddest part
Yui is a Nice Girl
Yukino is a Strong Girl
You feel that Yui would've been the more suitable choice?
It is life. You can't forcibly change a person's feeling. She will have to move on and find someone else.
I think hachiman realized that yui can be happy without him but that him and yukino truly need one another to be happy
I have to say the sadness of Yui wasn't any close to what Yukino had been suffered in years.
Despite being a bitter pessimist, 8man was truly the nicest person.
Relating to a MC in a series I've never seen is a new feeling. Do not like it.
You know how to fix that right? Time to get watching ;)
Lol. I'm in the same boat. Guess I better watch it now.
You wont regret it,the show is awesome
So FUCKING good. It will have you saying, "Take responsibility."
And that's another anime on the 2 million page long must-watch list lol
Hachiman was too relatable for me back in the day. I am not that guy anymore but i think he helped understand many things about myself and others
I feel you, thats what made me interested watching his character. ...
same, man
Zglrd im still that guy. Not sure what to do
Zglrd I’ve the same mindset as him.
To bad life isn't a anime plot. Acting like this wont throw friends magically in your life.
Nah My friend is Like this until i disturbed him everyday and now we best bods
This happens in real life to some degree I guess, albeit not two hot chicks, there are a few people that do try to approach people with this behavior.
It was never about friends.....
Sadly
"Literally me" fandom is on the comments.
Literally me
@@danthelowblood2653 Literally you
@@squid5400 ikr literally me
@@danthelowblood2653 yessiiirrr
The lesson is if we accept polygamy is ok everything will be ok~
Jealousy is something that can't really be prevented no matter how much you try to reason with yourself I think, feelings trump all.
@@Serpenttine only if you're a dumb dumb. I mean Buddhist exist. Stoics, Epicureans, etc.
@@HxH2011DRA but it's still hard, and humans aren't perfect. They make mistakes and sometimes just can't work on themselves hard enough to not be jealous.
@@thomassilia7306 and thats fine, not everybody can be in a poly relationship, most cant, and its alright
but it's not ok, telling someone that you romanticly love them and then doing something that directly goes against that like going for someone else is just shitty and dishonest and greedy, romantic love means that your partner should be enough for you, that's what makes special and romantic in the first place, if they're not enough then that means (in most cases) that you don't value them enough as a partner and that's a problem, its ok if you want an open relationship but don't shove romantic love into it, it would hurt and disappoint your partner.
One of the most underrated main protagonists of ALL time. But he's one of the best in anime history, I root for him, because deep down, he's TRULY a good person.
This anime honestly helped me trough living some tough times in my life. I'm really grateful for this coming into my life. Sorry I know this comment is stupid.
Seriously! This anime is one of the best I've ever seen. This time I'm (I'm 20 years old), it's full of expectations and a lot of bad times. I relate so much to Hachiman. Sentimentally, I've been turned down, put away, put into friendzone and I'm always judged by friends and family. Everyone expects me to be with someone, to make my relationship very easy but no idea how much pain I've been through. I've always hoped for genuine relationships, but I haven't had them. It's hard for me and I'm starting to have Hachiman's attitude. A lot of times I say I don't care, but I lie to myself. Anxiety, waves of sadness, depression, loneliness, isolation and more. It's hard for me, but I hope for better days. I'm mentally tired and I'm going to see a psychologist. For anyone who reads my comment... Take care of yourselves! Anyone who wants to discuss more, I'll be waiting for you on Instagram.
You don't need to say sorry, it's not stupid that something helped you out in a tough time in life, that's a wonderful thing, it happens to many people too so be happy and grateful for it share it if you like
If this made you feel better, it's not stupid. The world is beautiful and merciless. You need all the help you can get to strive and survive.
“See?, it’s easy. I just created a world where nobody gets hurt.” Man cares so much about the people around him, love his character👍
Holy shit....guess I'm not alone, sup dudes, hope yall are doing ok.
Right back atcha
Sup bro hope you're doing well too.
It’s been a year. I’m ok tho, hbu? Hope you’re doing good
Nah bro we’re all here too
Its out mafakas
That was a really good analysis!
Hachiman is one of the most well written characters who I can't help but relate to because of his flaws and philosophy.
Thanks!
@@Aleczandxr Important question tho, Yui or Yukinoshita? As someone that can understand each character's pesonalities at such a deep level as you, i want your imput . I personally fell in love with Yui's character after all the development that she got in season 2, with close second being Iroha, but it seems like Yukinoshita is in the top for most people.
@@zumzici1234 I feel Yukino is the only viable option for a genuine connection with Hachiman. It's because they are so similar and both suffer through similar things that I think that they need each other. I just feel that Hachiman would connect on a deeper level with Yukino compared to Yui
@@zumzici1234 iroha. 1 year later, but still relevant
I remember watching this anime a few years ago, and thinking Hachiman was such a pitiful grump.
Fast forward a few years and now I too am a cynical and bitter highschool loner who tries to distance himself and avoid connections due to trauma from past events in his life. And Hachiman's monologues sound very close to my own monologues of depression and hurt. Funny how things work out, huh?
I just distance myself from other people, most of the time, because I can't be asked to build more friendships with people.
Tbh it didn't help with all those quotes like "Who cares what your classmates think, when you won't see them after high school anyways" and "Your high school friendships will end after high school" were coming about lol
So I became the loner type and just distanced myself from people all the time, and couldn't be asked to talk because "Oh, we'll just move on once we graduate anyways".
In hindsight, maybe I took those quotes too close to heart, and the second quote was likely meant to be a joke too. But oh well, that's all in the past now
I just realized how much I criticize myself, sure I make music, sure I draw scribbles, sure I make some jokes, but in my mind I always think like:
"man, that was so weak", "boo (you suck!)", "did you do it right? nah I don't think you did"
until some one complements that creation or whatever and my mind is always like:
"I can sense lies from this", "is this a new type of insult?"
now I bet someone might say "hey don't do that to yourself"
well I can't stop being pessimistic if being optimistic will just make you live on lies and illusions which tells you that everything will be ok
Yea, I kinda relate and understand. Objectively, from the third person view, I was really successful in high-school, even in university, but my pessimistic voice in my head keeps repeating: "It's weak, it doesn't matter anything".
I can relate heavily to Hachiman, and so I have something to add. He is very likely afraid he is misreading or misinterpreting the girls actions and thoughts towards him. At least before the park and aquarium.
Sadly I cant see his philosophy as anything but correct, his starting situation is realistic. But its resolution to it is not. Life isn't that kind, and kind people who care for no reason don't really exist. What i'm getting at is this, the show is great. But the real life likely outcome for the life of someone like Hachiman is dying alone and not fostering any relationships through life. People aren't kind, and would never tolerate or welcome someone with the off putting personality traits of someone who has dealt with such similar overwhelming social isolation and/or depression (as one tends to follow the other and vice versa).
The show is great, I love it. But I see too many people take it as advice or hope of some kind, maybe not even consciously.
Don't.
If you are in a similar situation, either give up on that last bit of hope you have, or take drastic measures to change your situation before its too late.
No one is going to save you, no one is going to go out of their way to include you, no one will randomly fall in love with you, and the only resolution to a similar situation is action.
Either give up or act.
Hachiman did kind of act, throwing himself in front of cars to save dogs and other altruistic stuff...
But yeah I fully agree with you and had to restart the page several times so that I could read your comment from start to finish
But hachiman gave up. That's why it was so hard for him to realise he can't sacrifice himself anymore because people care about him. As long as you don't stay locked up in your home there's a chance some of the people you'll interact with naturally by just living your life(be it by going to school college ,work or anything else) will start to care about you at one point. I believe it's important to both try and break out of your toxic mindset that put you in the loner "role" but to also be prepared to be slowly "saved" by other people, to welcome interaction and not be afraid it's all fake and meaningless
So, what happened in my head after watching this anime ... Stupid hopes that something will change, and I will finally feel good, but no ... This is just hope ... I idealized everything again. That's why I was so shitty. Anime is cool, but we must not forget that this is just an anime, where everyone for the most part idealizes. In reality, everything is not so, not at all. For this, I love him and hate him at the same time. Too beautiful story. And again I begin to understand that one cannot leave reality, it will not lead to anything good. Your comment made me think again. And yet, it may sometimes be better to think things over and leave everything as it is at the moment ... perhaps it will be better for you. Thank you for these words, it even somehow motivated, although what the hell is the motivation ... I will continue to love this anime, these characters ... I will continue to live my life and ... one will still be better. I will just continue to live, because after all, we will all die once. Now I understand why I regretted Hikigai all this time. What he tries not to think about is corroding him from the inside. I hope that Khachchiman will still save Yukina and this couple will be together ... Let them all be fine. (I apologize for the mistakes, I write from the translator)
Crispy Mormon I believe you guys do understand the message outside of just the anime itself however I would like to suggest
BALANCE, it's a time and place for everything so when you say get out of the "loner" role I half agree except it wouldn't be good to be the opposite side of the spectrum either I think the point of the show is to explain one had to find genuine people who you can open up too and like we agree one has to be willing to open themselves to other for that to happen
Nani?
And this, is where Yukinoshita Yukino's role comes into play.
Yes, Hikigaya wants to still remain in club with both girls, and he considers Yuigahama as a naive nice girl of his own preconceived notions of her. But Yukinoshita, he admires.
He sees her way of life as the yutopian sword of one's own justice which slices through the bullshit and fake superficialities around her.
Always honest, always beautiful, and never runs away from confrontations.
She is his opposite, and He admires her so much for it that he thinks he's undeserving of her.
But, as the club started to be a place which he doesn't hate, to the point of liking it and the people he's with, he started to seek genuine relations from it. And even though he's still trying, at least he doesn't think he doesn't deserve her anymore.
Actually he still does..
He is afraid to approach her..
Because of the fear that he might lose her someday..
The thing is, as soon as she stops being honest to herself she doesn't deserve him anymore
@@travissmith2773 its hachiman who doesn't deserve yukino. (in vol 13)
No anime makes me feel the way oregairu does, how does it not have the “psychological” tag I do not know
Comparing this with S3 episode 8 is so crazy, super glad to see his development
This is one of my favorite series only because of how much of a realist the main character feels. Even if a lot of us thought the same way he does, most of us don't really act based on that. I was lucky enough to make a small little friend group of people who wear their hearts on their sleeves just as me, and we're still the best of friends long after school has ended and we're progressing through our careers. I've been truly blessed to have such friends, let alone more than one.
You are lucky indeed
Which part of a self destructive loner gets 2 hot girls falling and caring for him is realistic? Truth is that the world is harsh, if you're a loner you'll be a loner forever unless you take some actions to change yourself. But in the end of the 2°s it seems that he realize that those 2 girls saving him wasn't realistic in his mind.
I love the anime tough.
Most of the friendships i saw from the others in the college are ephemeral because if in the next year you end up in another class, then in the most cases those who you called friends wont talk to you anymore because that friendship wasnt real, wasnt genuine, they wanted something from you or wanted some kind of status, its just... Ephemeral.
Y'know, now that I think about it, whenever he recalls the pains of the past, he always covers it with cynical humour. As the watchers, we sometimes laugh, but its really sad once you remove that first layer of his true words.
Just binged this show and then realized Aleczandxr had done a dope video on it! Great work again brother! Can't wait for Season 3!
He IS ME back in highschool
the only difference was I didn't have anyone, no Friends, no one even after graduating
I have dead fish eyes as well lol
Well shit I hope you at least landed a decent job
@@ShallowTeal Nah he's probably a househusband, but a good one
Damn
MQN You’re not alone brother.
yea...me too
OMFG I am so happy rn. Oregairu is my favorite anime of all time and Hachiman is one of my favorite protags as well. Feel like it is a very under appreciated show and glad to see such an analytical person like you taking a stab at it
Hope you enjoyed!
nolfan09 yeah and season 3 was announced if you didn’t know so more hachiman coming
@@Pinky_Piie Oh believe me I know lol. Bout lost my mind. Now just waiting for vol 14 to come out so I can know whether continuing living is necessary (#teamyukino)
saaaaame
I thought i was the only one who had this great anime as favorite in all history over the generic shit nowadays.
My second favourite anime. While watching it I realised how complex it felt and was annoyed at my self for not fully taking in the dialogue and trying to interpret what it all meant. This video makes me appreciate Hachiman even more as a character even though I already loved his character. I think the way the story goes I didn’t truly take in the dialogue because of the comedic aspect of the show, your video made me realise how deep Oregairu really is and appreciate the complexity of it. I’m currently reading the Light novels so after I read a number of them I’ll watch the show again and really try and take it all in. Thank you for the video, it was fantastic! 👌🏽
This video was really amazing. You accurately described this character. I think almost any of us can relate to how he feels this anime really describes how hard it is to rely on someone. To some extent it also shows that even if it's hard maybe relying on someone is somehow the right thing to do. Even if it's not for forever maybe just for now it's enough.
Cheers!
The teacher in snafu in large part reminds me of my wife. And in pretty freaky way i see myself in hachiman in more than just personality traits to actions and reasons for said actions.. even more comical is that the reason i fell in love with my wife, (our age gap is the same as with hachiman and the teacher too, shes 40 i am 23.) Is that she was the first person to actually see my true face and thats her reason of her falling for me too, to quote "it was your eyes, something about them told me you were a kind hearted and strong person." Taking the plunge to open up is a road riddled with difficulty but not impossible. Its why i love the character of hachiman really.
Wish you a pleasant happy martial life
Domestic Girlfriend wants to know your location
❤
People be living out the dream life here ಥ‿ಥ hope you have a long and happy life mate.
thats strange, but ok
As much depressing the anime is, he have two girls interested with him.
I have none.
More like 7 now
bunnyfreakz I can relate to that
This Anime is more like Harem than Romance
@@crimson5364 iroha
Hina
Yui
Yukino
Sensei
Kawasaki?
Haruno?
This is the best video essasy on an anime I have heard in my life so far. This video summarized, not the story of Oregairu, but the emotional journey of Oregairu, and I thank you for this.
This anime has always had its spot in my heart. I did not understand the true meaning of the anime on my first watch, but I knew that this anime was special. I watched the anime a second time when I got a little older and understood its meaning, but I could not definately define what it was. This video essay took the words out of my mouth and pieced everything together.
This video essay was everything that I found special about this anime.
Thank you.
Hikigaya Hachiman is one of the most well written protagonist in all anime
Totsuka Saika is still the best waifu tho
Law Licht I like to see someone make a video on how saika impacts 8man
Damn that's fact
LOOL FAX
Ah yes S3 hype got you too
Thank you so much for making this video, it's truly helped me understand myself better and it will hopefully give subject to change and maybe I'll take that risk without making sure every possible outcome is prepared for
You’re very welcome!
this is my 6th time watching this
I just return every couple of months
Damn, same here
Have you Watched season 3 ?
@@GoAway_0 ya
Hachiman is a really sad character. His all personality and ideas are realistic and this makes him more sad and relatable. I can't understand why people didn't like second seasons drama. I think drama was already there from the first season.
I got bullied in my all middle school life, maybe thats why I was always felt sad for him from the first episode to the last episode. When people looking down on you after some time you start you looking down on yourself too. 'why am I like this?' 'why can't I make friends too?' 'Am I weird? Is that why they are mocking me?' 'I hate myself'
I literally hated myself for a long time and I'm still insecure about myself. When someone tries so be friends with me I'm always feeling insecure because I can't shake off the 'I don't deserve this' feeling out of myself. Its like a chain. So I can really relate with Hachiman. Change is good but its hard.
I wish that i will be able to change just like hachiman did......🥺
in this time of pandemic crisis, I have to say, he's absolutely right. when everyone is panicking, the last thing they can think of is other people.
Damn I finally watched your video and I got to say that it is a great video. Great job man and thanks for making this video
Thanks.
This was an absolutely beautiful review/video essay, thank you
Glad you enjoyed.
Hikigaya and Lelouch is always my favorite protagonist. CHANGE MY MIND IDAREYOU
Harold Soriano lelouch is da besttt
It seems you havent watched classroom of elite and kengan ashura
Light Yagami
@@FateofFallacy he doesnt stay even near this 2, light is just a bored little boy who tries to find his place in the world, have god syndrom, no character development, and a lot of cringe. meanwhile lelouch and hachiman went threw a lot of character development to find answers to their place in the world, and actually found something. light just... decided to be god? like really he doesnt change at all threw the series, and half the things we discover about him, comes out of no where
honestly, not a fan of Lelouch. Never got the appeal of him or the show. Just different tastes i guess. my 2 preferred protagonists would be Reinhard Von Lohengram and Yang Wenli from LOTGH
"An experienced loner never falls for the same trap twice" those word will always hit hard for me
This video was actually beautiful. Thank you for the introspection. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
hang on hang on bro might literally be me
Vouch
To be honest, Oregairu is the only anime which I can fully relate when it comes to seeing society with realistic disgust. It's because ever since I was a kid, I was a loner too like Hikigaya. I'm always being bullied to the point that I was once an optimistic otaku then turn to a suicidal and pessimistic otaku. Ever since the first episode, I didn't expect that this anime would ever placed somewhere special in my heart. I knew it from the start that Hikigaya is a stoic based on his beliefs. I'm totally agreed to his words that makes me relate so much to him that even before I watched this anime that I'm always fighting problems alone and a person who self-depricated for the sake of avoiding such problems that could ever lose my own sanity.
I watched the series in my teens and never understood the characters ...
Sooo, Thank you for clearing things up
I hope you never have to as well
@@rupeshr2717 The irony though 😂😅
@@rupeshr2717 loll amen
How??? it’s pretty obvious how they think and the type of person he is and the type of people the others are
I first saw this series in a time I didn't know how many problems I was ignoring, and I saw them again some times during some hard and depressive years. I know that I'll learn another perspective of this anime now that life is beginning to be funny and genuine again after so many years.
This isn't an anime series, this is a journey. Thank you for your video, I love it.
I truly enjoy this from this youtuber this is making me inspired sometimss