This is literally it. Why can't people seem to grasp that Like did it not click that volc has never been banned before but *SOMEHOW* this gen he was? Hmmmm could it possibliy be due to the addition of mechanics? Maybe an X-factor? Mmmmm nawww! It's because Smogon is a buncha crybabies or sumn (even tho the players are the ones who decide votes but w/e)
The movepool cut and dexit mons also play a bigger role in this. For example, the removal of toxic from almost everyone made set up sweepers way better than in previous gens because now a lot of pasive walls don't have a way to stop them anymore. For me that has a bigger impact in the meta than tera and of course the defog cut makes hazards too strong, if good mons still had defog then hazard spam wouldn't be as common
@@SappysappsterSmogon is absolute garbage now don't even try to defend them. They've been utterly trigger happy with bans this generation. They outright banned sleep without even a suspect test that's completely unheard of. People need to start moving away from using Smogon. We need a new website. Going back to your comment, if Tera is the problem, then why not just ban Volcarona from using it instead of banning the Pokémon outright?
Frostmoth would be better I think. Pair it with alolan Ninetales and Aurora veil and it is legitimately hard to kill. When they switch in the fire type just tera water and quiver dance again.
@@CaptainSherbertTheQuestionable because ribombee can have sticky web, stun spore, quiver dance and moon blast at its disposal for sets... Any pokemon with moon blast and set up will do well
@@Gonshotbarz so tera steel is not as common as in vgc I guess? I hear rumblings about tera fairy and water being everywhere so I guess it makes sense that fairy coverage goes so crazy. That and 124 base speed goes pretty stupid too. Definitely too frail for doubles though.
thats the perfect mindset to gatekeep the tier (and honestly the entire game since its either showdown or the horrible in game pvp) and push away current players that disagree with certain decisions
Honestly, I'm happy that Volc was suspect tested first before the ban. Again, the issue most people had with the last one was that it was quickbanned and immediately given the hammer. Here, the bug was given a chance and found guilty for certain. No more room for doubt. Tera 100% needs some action though. Although I'm opposed to an outright ban, there are ways to tone it down without taking it out back. Showing each mon's tera type before the battle for example.
I agree, but I can understand why smogon is taking their time with it. There’s no plans for a huge meta game shift for a while so testing different things like bringing back Ubers like solgaleo and such is a nice way to shake up the meta game and preventing it from growing stale. I imagine some test to Tera would come eventually though
@@Marv1089 I think sleep ban is fine, sleep is basically an ohko move when it hits any offensive mon. Not to mention the inherent rng on whether you wake up or not. If it didn't have 100% sleep moves I think it would be fine, but god I hate spore so much. Thank god there has never been a 100% freeze move, that would be cancer
@@ktownpunkjr.1946I hate the sleep ban specifically because it killed my homie breloom. Nothing like a focus sash breloom lead to just click spore no matter what and effectively render the opponents lead useless. Damn Darkrai has to come and ruin the fun
@@wesleyowens4089 yeah some mons sleep could be fine on. I like the idea of an offensive mon, which needs an opportunity to use it but god I fucking hated amoongus just sitting on whatever it wanted then sleeping the switch in to just regenerator it all back. Sleep on a bulky mon with health regen is heinous. Problem is getting rid of specific mon's ability to sleep is not an option. So rip the more tolerable sleepers
Shout out to Finch for apologizing for the Volcarona quick ban. It was a thorny situation, because yeah the likely outcome was ban. But i feel too many quick bans take away the right of the ou playerbase to dictate their meta. It's a delicate balance, and i think it's pretty mature to acknowledge that. People in general are too hard on the OU council, when they're just volunteers trying to make a meta they want to play. I look forward to maybe using Volc in UUbers.
Joey you've GOTTA use Grasspon that thing is insane as a pivot and check and conditionally a win con with the damage it can emit Set: Cudgel Knock U-Turn Encore Always tera if you need to outspeed a set up mon
Kingambit already got a suspect where people decided do not ban, and it always doesn't get the high scores required in the community surveys for a suspect test.
I haven't lost to a kinggambit in so long. It has no options against Iron Valiant except to tera. So the moment they tera another mon its just king sac.
Kingambit has sturdier checks like Zamazenta and Skarm, plus all the usual suspects. Also tends to rely on Sucker Punch mind games to truly reverse sweep. So there's usually a little more wiggle room with it, especially if it's either a Black Glasses or Leftovers variant. Volc, however, is basically what low ladder players think Kingambit is, except it actually is that. A matchup fishing machine that can it whatever it wants to lose to. Even more consistent answers like Blissey, Clodsire and Slowking-Galar weren't 100% guaranteed answers, on top of some pokemon like SpDef Gliscor forcing a trade on Volc as a best case scenario. The overlord outwits it's checks sometimes, but the moth did it on a regular basis. No suprise why Volcarona was banned twice, while Kingambit is still lurking
i know theres a very slim chance you see this comment but still. joey, i stopped playing competitive pokemon for over a year. i unsubbed form all the poketubers i was watching and everything except you. the daily fire you post got me back into mons and im playing draft again for the first time since before SV. thanks for keeping my passion for this great game alive brother
Kinda sad to see volcarona gone, but it makes sense when team building. U need a special attacking sweeper? I either go to the bulky raging bolt or the matchup moth.
Ngl, the gen 5 gym leader final mon soundtrack doesn't really work for long term background music. I love the soundtrack but it feels a bit out of place being used the whole video.
Literally the only people not agreeing are those that abused it lol "volc ain't THAT bad" said every person using volc as their ace. Y'all are so happy with this meta being rock paper scissors cause you don't want a meta that makes you think instead of spamming setup moves
I suppose its been a long time since but I always though Kingambit deserved the ban more than Volcarona but theyre both game enders. Will be interesting to see how the format adjusts.
For how bullshit gambit is, it AT LEASTS needs to sucker punch predict and tera predict, while volc just tera for a free quiver dance and spams fiery dance + whatever coverage move it has for the most part
@@oscen335 I dont wholeheartedly agree, but i do in fact agree. Both Mon's require set up but Gambit needs to get its turns right. Volc does too but to a much lesser extent.
Also doesn't help that volc has access to reliable recovery letting it serve both as a consistent endgame threat and a good check to certain mons while Gambit can be chipped down over the course of a game
Kingambit needs to be ou for one reason and that is dragopult,gholdengo,fairy types if gamvbit ever gets banned than the threads that gambit checks become op
Arceus was showing volcorona the ropes on how to sweep in Ubers. Also was showing it that it runs these Uber streets and how it’ll have to deal with it 😅
Yeah it's definitely for koraidon. Plus being tera rock you're not gonna survive against Kyogre anyways which is the main thing giga drain would hit in Ubers besides Arceus ground/water
@@wesleyowens4089tera dragon 😎. In all seriousness, besides waters, are there no good ground types in Ubers? Why run psychic over fairy? +1 Tera blast fairy OHkills 0/0 even miraidon
I play vgc so maybe its different but doesn't tera grass volcarona sit in front of it easily? If you setup in front of it anyways then you can just brute force it with your stab. So in that way I would agree but am open to admitting that I am wrong since I am from the outside looking in. Realistically in the format I play it would be tera grass quiver dance heat wave bug buzz and rage powder.
Does anybody know if Volcarona is anywhere as good in doubles as single? I know it's good in both but wondering how much of a difference is it's viability
Honestly shocked it took this long, my 1500s hardstuck ass got to 1600s easily by abusing this cheap mon and the only scary matchups were the other Volc teams. Good riddance
I can see that. As a vgc player we can double it as a check and it can still run away with games. Tera grass was a phenominal rapid strike urshifu check and being able to bypass rage powder ontop of being spore immune made it a menace to play against especially in a meta where entry hazards are incredibly rare(only really appearing on dondozo teams that run glimmora). Been playing vgc for 10 years and can count the number of times I've played someone who set rocks on 1 hand.
It is counterable but with tera that becomes really hard to do. Your main counters would be unaware mons like skelidirge and clodsire who get 2hko by a tera ground tera blast and the other unaware mons are to passive so volc just switches out without worry for the incoming mon. Or you run quagsire for this specifically and it's dead weight in the rest of your games.
@@KooroshFarahaniEspeed nite doesn't kill defensive volc(most volc sets) without band, and is joever if hit by a will-o-wisp. It's still a ok(?) ish check. Prim is slower and get eaten alive by giga drain sets. I don't know but it seems like you never fought or even look at Volc's moveset's before.
@@Gspoink i usually faced more offensive volc sets instead of bulky with morning sun. and if prim has av it can live a giga drain and get some good damage off for another mon to pick off volcarona with priority. This is assuming you get prim in after only 1 or 2 quivers. These are just other examples but your best bet is clod. I’m just saying i never had trouble against it because i’ve gotten its checks in front of it before too many boosts. Unaware Clefable can also stall out its morning sun pp and chip it down for another mon with priority to finish it off. Get good
Day 27: Love to see you try a self poison team. While not competitive it can work and catch people by surprise. Greninja with toxic spikes, taunt and eject button or gengar with toxic spikes and destiny bond plus cinderace to court change the toxic spikes to your side. With 4 pokemon that get a boost from the status like heracross with a choice band and guts, zangoose with choice scarf, eviolite specially defensive shroomish with toxic heal: protect, leech seed, and toxic, and stun spore, and a physically defensive gliscor Tera ground with toxic heal leftovers, toxic, earthquake, protect, and any other move (try ice fang for other gliscor), or a milotic
You would have to tera gliscor to get it poisoned. And why run shroomish over breloom? I'm guessing a better defensive profile with eviolite and no fighting type just curious
I hate all these bans when king gambit and goldengo feel so limiting on the team builder. I guess I am a low elo though at 1500s but I hate ou this gen
Ghold is fine and kinda overrated but gambit is the centralizing pokemon the meta is built around after it dodged the ban so banning it would have huge repercussions
ngl, i feel likethe volc ban was undeserved. yes it was a threat, and yes it had a decently large presence since it was so versatile. However, it was a tera sink, and there were many good checks and counters in OU. Im worried about how this could affect OU as a whole, as it checked a lot of mons with its possible sets, one of the most important (imo) being gambit. you wouldn't believe the number of gambit endgames i avoided by getting behind a sub, or burning with flame body. (also i forgot it got morning sun until i went to make the team i used to test) I think that if there was a fire type mon in OU that deserved the ban hammer, it would be gouging as it is a huge threat, and it s hard to get rid of or deal with bulky variants, which can allow it to dd up and just sweep. its so bulky that i just run it with tera poison as a way to not be stalled out. It gets good stab moves in blitz and swipe, coverage in eq, dd to set up, and morning sun. in the tier where sun is the most comon weather condition, also giving a protosynthesis boost. (also rilla is a great partner as it can deal with some grounds, and reduce eq dmg that it takes) These are just my thoughts. I dont really like OU because of how power-crept it has gotten and how surprisingly little room for creativity you can have without leaving yourself weak to 1 or more of the dangerous threats in the tier. knowing this i may be wrong on some of my anaylisis of it, and if so feel free to correct me or give your thoughts below. im interested to hear it, and it gets pokeaim more engagement on the vid.
@@Goldeneye3336 that's certainly an opinion. I just think it makes team-building less fun. Why I like the lower tiers(or the monthly/weird ones), as there a lot more flexibility, even in UU
@@Goldeneye3336 I did the suspect test. And these are the things I found when I climbed. When I was playing, my team had both a volc and a gouging, and the gouging put in so much more work. I beleive that it should have been kept in OU, though it got banned still. If you want to actually contribute to this, than give an actual helpful thoughts or points other than just playing the "skill issue lol" card in places where it's not relevant or funny.
2 times like damn literally the aegislash of gen 9 aegislash was banned from ou twice in 2 gens volcarona just speedran that in a singular gen aegislash got nothing on him This is of course a joke aegislash is like my second favorite Pokémon behind kingambit but it’s funny how volcarona has been banned twice in the same gen but it’s understandable if I had a nickel every time volcarona was banned this gen I’d have 2 nickels
@@SpaaceQuestI think it’s been a regen Mon since like gen 6 or gen 7 correction it’s already had regenerator for like 12 years or so because dreamradar
@@lordmonarch2995”just use Lycanroc bro trust me bro its worth using one NU tier pokemon in OU to revenge kill one pokemon and it totally wont just tera ground and quiver dance again trust me bro. Trust me bro use lycanroc it totally doesnt flop against zama gambit tusk corv or any meta pokemon”
It's only on a pokemon showdown tier (online battle simulator) , you can keep playing him in your game or you can try other tiers on pokemon showdown where he's allowed
I played a few ou games a couple of hours ago and maybe it is just because my opponents did not know how to use them, but whenever I played against a volcarona, it really did not feel overwhelming. I could name at least five pokemon that were far more annoying to deal with
I used Volcarona, sometimes I can get the 6 OU sweep or push my foe into quitting but most people I played against knew how to deal with it. And I played against players from 1300-1500. It’s not that bad. Just goes to show the mind set of the people at the top. And when you make it to the top or anywhere on the latter 9/10 most smogonites teams are plagiarized very few players show innovation. That innovation are players that know what they’re doing.
@@lordmonarch2995wtf is going on at smogon then. All claims that pokemon are broken are clearly lies. This is why i prefer bss. Japanese players will fight anything i throw at them no complaints
Finch doesnt singlehandedly ban these mons, it was voted to be banned, and if your so upset then you shouldve got reqs(idk if you did but im presuming most of the people complaining about finch didnt, seeing as they dont understand the banning process.). And as people have mentioned this is completely unfounded as volc is terrible into stall so its doing absolutely nothing to help it.
Volcarona getting banned isn't "absurd" it's a braindead pokemon that enables some players to get free ELO thanks to Tera activilation/Quiver Dance. I don't agree with banning pokemon but Volcarona, Kingambit, and Raging Bolt all on the same team is just incredibly scrubby.
@@Renegade77784 it's not braindead, you have to position yourself well to win with it AND to not lose to it, if you can't deal with a volc clicking qd, you played poorly already
@@patricksimmons8117 Ahh yes, how unskilled of me to have to possibly use Tera to survive a 2 or 1 hit KO from Kingambit, Gouging Fire, or Raging Bolt (from neutral and resisted hits) then I have to hope Volcarona's Tera doesn't beat my team after having to deal with the other threats. It's always the players who abuse the braindead strategies that see zero problems with it. Lol
How to tell when a mon doesn't belong in ubers, Joey does a video on a recently OU banned mon, plays against it exactly 0 times. Any random set up mon can sweep once for youtube, but whether it belongs the tier or not is visible in the usage, and volcarona is clearly an OU mon and not an ubers mon
To be fair, OU doesn't ban mons because they'd be good in Ubers, they ban mons because they're too strong for OU. Ubers at its core is a banlist, and the power gap between it and OU is so big that even a dogshit Uber like Palkia would break OU in two. Annihilape is far from popular in Ubers and yet no sane player would say it's an OU mon
that logic really doesnt work anymore, nor has it really because theyre two different metas. nobody is running palkia-o in ubers for example, its complete ass, but its wayyyy too good for ou
Out of all the terrible takes I see when a pokemon gets banned this HAS to be the worsed one I’ve seen. Ur logic just doesn’t work and the existence of ban lists in other teirs such as UUBL is categoric evidence of this.
@@Will-zi6fn You'd be surprised how many people whine that some Ubers are bad in Ubers. Who gives a shit if they are bad at Ubers? The problem is that they are too good for OU, that's what should be addressed, not if it's good in a tier of broken pokemon.
How out of everything out there volc goes lol that's it im announcing my retirement right here and now that's how u know these scrubs stay banning their problems instead of tryna overcome the obstacles
@GonShotBarz honestly bro that's fair enough, you gotta have fun with your favourite guys. I'm a peak 1970 player, if you want me to give you a strong lanturn team I can try to make one for you 👍
Substitute Swarm sets began seeing use, and gambit does not check those. Also, gambit is tasked with half of the tier, so it isn't difficult to take down throughout the game.
LOL 😂 Jokes on them! I tested it in OU anticipating the ban! I will be building it for my Wifi battles. When I start my channel later in May or June. My battles aren’t Smogon they’re colosseum battles with some Smogon in it. Smogon can kiss my butt! 😂🤣
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Volcarona was just banned! So I tried arceus water in ubers
Volc going 2-0 vs OU this gen is crazy, Tera combined with other major threats give this mon so much room to clean up.
This is literally it. Why can't people seem to grasp that
Like did it not click that volc has never been banned before but *SOMEHOW* this gen he was?
Hmmmm could it possibliy be due to the addition of mechanics? Maybe an X-factor?
Mmmmm nawww! It's because Smogon is a buncha crybabies or sumn
(even tho the players are the ones who decide votes but w/e)
Volc couldnt tera out of the banhammer matchup
The movepool cut and dexit mons also play a bigger role in this. For example, the removal of toxic from almost everyone made set up sweepers way better than in previous gens because now a lot of pasive walls don't have a way to stop them anymore. For me that has a bigger impact in the meta than tera and of course the defog cut makes hazards too strong, if good mons still had defog then hazard spam wouldn't be as common
@@SappysappsterWhen you give Volcarona Ground coverage this is what happens kek
@@SappysappsterSmogon is absolute garbage now don't even try to defend them. They've been utterly trigger happy with bans this generation. They outright banned sleep without even a suspect test that's completely unheard of. People need to start moving away from using Smogon. We need a new website.
Going back to your comment, if Tera is the problem, then why not just ban Volcarona from using it instead of banning the Pokémon outright?
The background music makes it as if volcarona conquered the OU tier and was a champion mon 🤣
In a way, it is
it did conquer a notable portion
If regular Volcarona had a paradox name (not counting the actual paradox names) it would be Quivering Menace
Funnily enough that’s what I call ur mum
volc must be the only pokemon that is better than both paradox forms
@@Lucawee tyranitar
@@Yas-gu1pjtyranitar only has one paradox form tho
@@jwilldawg i mean its still outclasses it in every single way
Nah this ban got me using Venomoth now, justice for the quiver dancing queen 😔✊
Gotta use ribombee with tera fire folks
Frostmoth would be better I think. Pair it with alolan Ninetales and Aurora veil and it is legitimately hard to kill. When they switch in the fire type just tera water and quiver dance again.
@@Gonshotbarz why is ribombee so good all of a sudden? I play vgc and although I like the pokemon it never really came across as very good.
@@CaptainSherbertTheQuestionable because ribombee can have sticky web, stun spore, quiver dance and moon blast at its disposal for sets... Any pokemon with moon blast and set up will do well
@@Gonshotbarz so tera steel is not as common as in vgc I guess? I hear rumblings about tera fairy and water being everywhere so I guess it makes sense that fairy coverage goes so crazy. That and 124 base speed goes pretty stupid too. Definitely too frail for doubles though.
Another day, another hundreds of players complaining about a metagame that they don't even play lol
This entire comment section.
my man who said accelerock is a counter must be living in an alternate metagame
@@morningcolossusplaying shared power or some OM
@@morningcolossus Also in general this is not a good argument
like EVER
"Naw man you see dracovish is fine man just run rocky helmet seismitoad man"
thats the perfect mindset to gatekeep the tier (and honestly the entire game since its either showdown or the horrible in game pvp) and push away current players that disagree with certain decisions
Honestly, I'm happy that Volc was suspect tested first before the ban. Again, the issue most people had with the last one was that it was quickbanned and immediately given the hammer. Here, the bug was given a chance and found guilty for certain. No more room for doubt.
Tera 100% needs some action though. Although I'm opposed to an outright ban, there are ways to tone it down without taking it out back. Showing each mon's tera type before the battle for example.
I agree, but I can understand why smogon is taking their time with it. There’s no plans for a huge meta game shift for a while so testing different things like bringing back Ubers like solgaleo and such is a nice way to shake up the meta game and preventing it from growing stale. I imagine some test to Tera would come eventually though
Idk about “not shaking the meta” when they banned an entire mechanic, sleep.
@@Marv1089 I think sleep ban is fine, sleep is basically an ohko move when it hits any offensive mon. Not to mention the inherent rng on whether you wake up or not. If it didn't have 100% sleep moves I think it would be fine, but god I hate spore so much. Thank god there has never been a 100% freeze move, that would be cancer
@@ktownpunkjr.1946I hate the sleep ban specifically because it killed my homie breloom. Nothing like a focus sash breloom lead to just click spore no matter what and effectively render the opponents lead useless. Damn Darkrai has to come and ruin the fun
@@wesleyowens4089 yeah some mons sleep could be fine on. I like the idea of an offensive mon, which needs an opportunity to use it but god I fucking hated amoongus just sitting on whatever it wanted then sleeping the switch in to just regenerator it all back. Sleep on a bulky mon with health regen is heinous. Problem is getting rid of specific mon's ability to sleep is not an option. So rip the more tolerable sleepers
Shout out to Finch for apologizing for the Volcarona quick ban. It was a thorny situation, because yeah the likely outcome was ban. But i feel too many quick bans take away the right of the ou playerbase to dictate their meta. It's a delicate balance, and i think it's pretty mature to acknowledge that. People in general are too hard on the OU council, when they're just volunteers trying to make a meta they want to play.
I look forward to maybe using Volc in UUbers.
Joey you've GOTTA use Grasspon that thing is insane as a pivot and check and conditionally a win con with the damage it can emit
Set:
Cudgel
Knock
U-Turn
Encore
Always tera if you need to outspeed a set up mon
Still crazy all these bans but kingambit is just ignored
Zamazenta is still keeping gambit in his (bdsm) dungeon so no ones really talking about a ban for it atm
Kingambit already got a suspect where people decided do not ban, and it always doesn't get the high scores required in the community surveys for a suspect test.
They want the kingambussy
I haven't lost to a kinggambit in so long. It has no options against Iron Valiant except to tera. So the moment they tera another mon its just king sac.
Kingambit has sturdier checks like Zamazenta and Skarm, plus all the usual suspects. Also tends to rely on Sucker Punch mind games to truly reverse sweep. So there's usually a little more wiggle room with it, especially if it's either a Black Glasses or Leftovers variant.
Volc, however, is basically what low ladder players think Kingambit is, except it actually is that. A matchup fishing machine that can it whatever it wants to lose to. Even more consistent answers like Blissey, Clodsire and Slowking-Galar weren't 100% guaranteed answers, on top of some pokemon like SpDef Gliscor forcing a trade on Volc as a best case scenario.
The overlord outwits it's checks sometimes, but the moth did it on a regular basis. No suprise why Volcarona was banned twice, while Kingambit is still lurking
That tera fire Dusk Mane was definitely expecting a wisp to come out that turn tho the structure makes no sense for it to be that
Nah fam +2 in the sun fiery dance def cooked trick room necro. They hoped to revese sweep
i know theres a very slim chance you see this comment but still.
joey, i stopped playing competitive pokemon for over a year. i unsubbed form all the poketubers i was watching and everything except you. the daily fire you post got me back into mons and im playing draft again for the first time since before SV. thanks for keeping my passion for this great game alive brother
Much love fam. Happy that you’re back into mons. Hope you enjoy draft!
Big ups, the agency provides
Kinda sad to see volcarona gone, but it makes sense when team building. U need a special attacking sweeper? I either go to the bulky raging bolt or the matchup moth.
@10:34 "To the Smogonmobile!!" - Doctor Joey PokeCodeAim 2024 😂
DD Claw Arc-W hurts my brain
And the amount of work it put in this game was crazy
That call-out on the dusk ooooof
Ngl, the gen 5 gym leader final mon soundtrack doesn't really work for long term background music. I love the soundtrack but it feels a bit out of place being used the whole video.
Don't agree with this one but it is what it is I think he'll be back
Literally the only people not agreeing are those that abused it lol "volc ain't THAT bad" said every person using volc as their ace. Y'all are so happy with this meta being rock paper scissors cause you don't want a meta that makes you think instead of spamming setup moves
itll be crazy going into gen 10, tera ceases to exist and half of ubers falls to ou and below
Don’t think I will ever tire of hearing Aim say Necrozma
I suppose its been a long time since but I always though Kingambit deserved the ban more than Volcarona but theyre both game enders.
Will be interesting to see how the format adjusts.
For how bullshit gambit is, it AT LEASTS needs to sucker punch predict and tera predict, while volc just tera for a free quiver dance and spams fiery dance + whatever coverage move it has for the most part
@@oscen335 I dont wholeheartedly agree, but i do in fact agree.
Both Mon's require set up but Gambit needs to get its turns right.
Volc does too but to a much lesser extent.
Also doesn't help that volc has access to reliable recovery letting it serve both as a consistent endgame threat and a good check to certain mons while Gambit can be chipped down over the course of a game
@@rbb480 exactly, by investing in bulk and running Morning Sun, it can be a decent pivot and still survive till late game for cleaning
Kingambit needs to be ou for one reason and that is dragopult,gholdengo,fairy types if gamvbit ever gets banned than the threads that gambit checks become op
Arc-Water is still a demon. No surprise there
Came here for the drama haha! Let's see what goes down Joey hahaha
Arceus was showing volcorona the ropes on how to sweep in Ubers. Also was showing it that it runs these Uber streets and how it’ll have to deal with it 😅
Defo left a like for that wild Tera call!
I always believed in the MOTH.
Let’s go! More Ubers please!
I second that. I desperately need reg g ideas. All I have is crowned zamazenta and would like to get 3 teams done before ladder opens.
Honestly I am not a smogon player and I can kinda understand why volcarona is banned.
When is the next draft league coming? Didn't you say you had something planned?
Have a good day
@@itztaytay2I'm glad it's still happening. I was worried they already started before the emvee ordeal and then just cancelled it
@@itztaytay2 Thanks for the info.
I liked the part where Volc dragon danced and swept enemy team with Waterfall
We gettin unbanned with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Matchup moth is out I’m willing to give SV OU another try!
My fav tier
Maybe I’m old school but I like giga drain over psychic for my volcs but considering Koraidon has 50% usage, maybe psychic is better
Yeah it's definitely for koraidon. Plus being tera rock you're not gonna survive against Kyogre anyways which is the main thing giga drain would hit in Ubers besides Arceus ground/water
@@wesleyowens4089tera dragon 😎. In all seriousness, besides waters, are there no good ground types in Ubers? Why run psychic over fairy? +1 Tera blast fairy OHkills 0/0 even miraidon
I play vgc so maybe its different but doesn't tera grass volcarona sit in front of it easily? If you setup in front of it anyways then you can just brute force it with your stab. So in that way I would agree but am open to admitting that I am wrong since I am from the outside looking in. Realistically in the format I play it would be tera grass quiver dance heat wave bug buzz and rage powder.
Do I agree? No
Do I play the meta? No
Will the ban get me to play? No
Will it get me to stop watching? No
Does anybody know if Volcarona is anywhere as good in doubles as single? I know it's good in both but wondering how much of a difference is it's viability
@@itztaytay2 Thanks for the information. Highly appreciated
Damn not again
Honestly shocked it took this long, my 1500s hardstuck ass got to 1600s easily by abusing this cheap mon and the only scary matchups were the other Volc teams. Good riddance
I can see that. As a vgc player we can double it as a check and it can still run away with games. Tera grass was a phenominal rapid strike urshifu check and being able to bypass rage powder ontop of being spore immune made it a menace to play against especially in a meta where entry hazards are incredibly rare(only really appearing on dondozo teams that run glimmora). Been playing vgc for 10 years and can count the number of times I've played someone who set rocks on 1 hand.
Wasn't Volcarona already in Ubers? Or was it released back into OU at some point?
Volcarona was unbanned at the start of the Indigo Disk metagame on Pokemon Showdown.
Paralysment has to be one of the words of of all time 😂
Tera rock is crazy I usually got for fairy lol
Volcarona is him.
LEAVING A LIKE FOR THE VOLCARONA SWEEP (Tera Fire Necrozuma Predict)
they always ban the good looken ones
what’s solar beam on miraidon for?
Ting-lu (the sun will be up since groudon and koriadon are pretty common)
@@Yas-gu1pj ah alright, don’t really play Ubers
Arceus Water live. Stay hydrated.
Don’t know why they hate volc so much, it’s very counterable and they almost always have to run boots
It is counterable but with tera that becomes really hard to do. Your main counters would be unaware mons like skelidirge and clodsire who get 2hko by a tera ground tera blast and the other unaware mons are to passive so volc just switches out without worry for the incoming mon. Or you run quagsire for this specifically and it's dead weight in the rest of your games.
@@wesleyowens4089E speed dragonite eats volcarona for breakfast. Prim also walls it. Volc had plenty of counters in OU people just need to get good
@@KooroshFarahaniEspeed nite doesn't kill defensive volc(most volc sets) without band, and is joever if hit by a will-o-wisp. It's still a ok(?) ish check. Prim is slower and get eaten alive by giga drain sets.
I don't know but it seems like you never fought or even look at Volc's moveset's before.
@@Gspoink i usually faced more offensive volc sets instead of bulky with morning sun. and if prim has av it can live a giga drain and get some good damage off for another mon to pick off volcarona with priority. This is assuming you get prim in after only 1 or 2 quivers. These are just other examples but your best bet is clod. I’m just saying i never had trouble against it because i’ve gotten its checks in front of it before too many boosts. Unaware Clefable can also stall out its morning sun pp and chip it down for another mon with priority to finish it off. Get good
Average boots volc amateur chipping in ja ja ja you are an amateur remember
When does the P4g start?
Sunday
We need an ability that’s neutralising has but for items.
Or just special attack intimidate.
Music this vid was very hype 🎉
Everyone but zama 😔
Nice Arceus water video dude
Damn another ban it's a compulsion
Day 27: Love to see you try a self poison team. While not competitive it can work and catch people by surprise. Greninja with toxic spikes, taunt and eject button or gengar with toxic spikes and destiny bond plus cinderace to court change the toxic spikes to your side. With 4 pokemon that get a boost from the status like heracross with a choice band and guts, zangoose with choice scarf, eviolite specially defensive shroomish with toxic heal: protect, leech seed, and toxic, and stun spore, and a physically defensive gliscor Tera ground with toxic heal leftovers, toxic, earthquake, protect, and any other move (try ice fang for other gliscor), or a milotic
You would have to tera gliscor to get it poisoned. And why run shroomish over breloom? I'm guessing a better defensive profile with eviolite and no fighting type just curious
pokeaimMD, This made me laugh so much! Thanks for sharing!
Volc headed to UUbers.
Idk I think it could pull off a xerneas type of thing
It's not great there in UUbers sadly
If you'd have told me in ORAS I'd feel sorry for Volc I'd never have believed it.
I hate the showdown bans this year :(
Battle on the official games
I hate all these bans when king gambit and goldengo feel so limiting on the team builder. I guess I am a low elo though at 1500s but I hate ou this gen
Ghold is fine and kinda overrated but gambit is the centralizing pokemon the meta is built around after it dodged the ban so banning it would have huge repercussions
If you're still talking about gholdengo in 2024 then you do not know the metagame and thus shouldn't talk on matters you know nothing about ❤
Smogon’s meta is a joke and it always will be. There’s nothing to understand.
@@Sappysappster it makes hazards so much more prominent.
@@pmwaffle9348 king gambit being able to reverse 6 0 fairly consistently is insane to me.
No UUbers?
ngl, i feel likethe volc ban was undeserved. yes it was a threat, and yes it had a decently large presence since it was so versatile. However, it was a tera sink, and there were many good checks and counters in OU. Im worried about how this could affect OU as a whole, as it checked a lot of mons with its possible sets, one of the most important (imo) being gambit. you wouldn't believe the number of gambit endgames i avoided by getting behind a sub, or burning with flame body. (also i forgot it got morning sun until i went to make the team i used to test)
I think that if there was a fire type mon in OU that deserved the ban hammer, it would be gouging as it is a huge threat, and it s hard to get rid of or deal with bulky variants, which can allow it to dd up and just sweep. its so bulky that i just run it with tera poison as a way to not be stalled out. It gets good stab moves in blitz and swipe, coverage in eq, dd to set up, and morning sun. in the tier where sun is the most comon weather condition, also giving a protosynthesis boost. (also rilla is a great partner as it can deal with some grounds, and reduce eq dmg that it takes)
These are just my thoughts. I dont really like OU because of how power-crept it has gotten and how surprisingly little room for creativity you can have without leaving yourself weak to 1 or more of the dangerous threats in the tier. knowing this i may be wrong on some of my anaylisis of it, and if so feel free to correct me or give your thoughts below. im interested to hear it, and it gets pokeaim more engagement on the vid.
What you call powercreep is a skill issue.
@@Goldeneye3336 that's certainly an opinion. I just think it makes team-building less fun. Why I like the lower tiers(or the monthly/weird ones), as there a lot more flexibility, even in UU
@@Krimson241 skill issue is not an opinion. Your opinion is what prompted the skill issue alarm.
@@Goldeneye3336 I did the suspect test. And these are the things I found when I climbed. When I was playing, my team had both a volc and a gouging, and the gouging put in so much more work. I beleive that it should have been kept in OU, though it got banned still.
If you want to actually contribute to this, than give an actual helpful thoughts or points other than just playing the "skill issue lol" card in places where it's not relevant or funny.
Not the volc ban😫
And there goes my strategy 😢
You can matchup fish another way just gotta be creative now
@@Snagavitchyeah just use King gambit. Not the same but still similar enough.
aint no way
2 times like damn literally the aegislash of gen 9 aegislash was banned from ou twice in 2 gens volcarona just speedran that in a singular gen aegislash got nothing on him
This is of course a joke aegislash is like my second favorite Pokémon behind kingambit but it’s funny how volcarona has been banned twice in the same gen but it’s understandable if I had a nickel every time volcarona was banned this gen I’d have 2 nickels
@@itztaytay2 yes but it’s still wierd that it happened twice in the same gen only other example i can think about is gen 8 aegislash in uu
0 views 12 seconds bro is going viral
Fr haha
I was about to comment how sick of this trend I am but that was a refreshing variation, ty
@@JamesJones-ts5fl thats what i was thinking, i hate when people spam the same shit
Day 35 of asking for physical raging bolt
No more dropping dracos. Need to start bringing tha hammer down.
Real
1:59 ah yes, the 1% Ho-Oh needs to be weakened
Regen cmon lol
@@pokeaimMD okay, been way too out of the Ubers loop, didn't know that was a Regen mon now
@@SpaaceQuestI think it’s been a regen Mon since like gen 6 or gen 7 correction it’s already had regenerator for like 12 years or so because dreamradar
@@SpaaceQuestit had regenerator since gen 5
I don't know what to comment so i'll just say that i despise Landorus T with a burning passion.
Thats valid. Used to be the same. I don't know how familiar you are with vgc but the chalk teams of 2015 were a dark time.
Me when volcarona gets banned (if never overwhelmed me except when it should’ve)
So now a bunch of my teams are done, dammit
You can always battle on the official games
Play ubers or make a new team. Maybe try venomoth, it has quiver dance too. Or stabmons, where every bug has quiver dance and is op as hell
My full moth team is dead. Though I never got past the 1400's with it anyways.
I had to switch volcarona for gouging fire on my OU team, works out fine.
One accelerock and volcarona is in the shadow realm
There’s so many ways to beat the damn thing. Smogon is filled with gerbers
@lordmonarch2995 so true bro.
so what are you going to do when Volc teras and accelrock does 20%
@@lordmonarch2995”just use Lycanroc bro trust me bro its worth using one NU tier pokemon in OU to revenge kill one pokemon and it totally wont just tera ground and quiver dance again trust me bro. Trust me bro use lycanroc it totally doesnt flop against zama gambit tusk corv or any meta pokemon”
Ah yes, the extremely common Lycanroc is a top tier threat in Ubers
Im early here! Cant believe it was Banned
Lol; killed by gambit >100% = banned 😂.
they are destroying the meta
most of the popular pm in wifi battle was。banned
Wdym? Banned in online pokemon battles? Not in the actual game right?
banned from the OU tier
It's only on a pokemon showdown tier (online battle simulator) , you can keep playing him in your game or you can try other tiers on pokemon showdown where he's allowed
@EggscellentTree This whole time I've been subbed to this guy, thinking that it was competitive online and definitely subbed for the wrong reason.
LMAO
@@don945646how do you think it is online battles it looks nothing like s/v
Smogon is off its rocker this gen, that's it for me in OU, just monotype now
Should not have been banned
Weakkkkk
I played a few ou games a couple of hours ago and maybe it is just because my opponents did not know how to use them, but whenever I played against a volcarona, it really did not feel overwhelming. I could name at least five pokemon that were far more annoying to deal with
I used Volcarona, sometimes I can get the 6 OU sweep or push my foe into quitting but most people I played against knew how to deal with it. And I played against players from 1300-1500. It’s not that bad. Just goes to show the mind set of the people at the top. And when you make it to the top or anywhere on the latter 9/10 most smogonites teams are plagiarized very few players show innovation. That innovation are players that know what they’re doing.
Ting lu
@@lordmonarch2995wtf is going on at smogon then. All claims that pokemon are broken are clearly lies. This is why i prefer bss. Japanese players will fight anything i throw at them no complaints
Volcarona got banned bcuz it doesn’t have any way to end up on bulky offense or stall. When will finch retire
Volcarona fits perfectly fine on BO??
Volcarona kinda sucks vs stall and is good vs offense. This is a buff for all offense teams that don't run volcarona
Finch doesnt singlehandedly ban these mons, it was voted to be banned, and if your so upset then you shouldve got reqs(idk if you did but im presuming most of the people complaining about finch didnt, seeing as they dont understand the banning process.). And as people have mentioned this is completely unfounded as volc is terrible into stall so its doing absolutely nothing to help it.
No views in 59 seconds, you fell off
1 minute 0 likes. Bro fell off :(
Yeah, Volcarona was OP.
Absurd ban, ladder filled with babies
Volcarona getting banned isn't "absurd" it's a braindead pokemon that enables some players to get free ELO thanks to Tera activilation/Quiver Dance. I don't agree with banning pokemon but Volcarona, Kingambit, and Raging Bolt all on the same team is just incredibly scrubby.
@@Renegade77784 nah you just gotta run a rock type move( and hope the volc doesnt tera ofc)
@@Renegade77784 it's not braindead, you have to position yourself well to win with it AND to not lose to it, if you can't deal with a volc clicking qd, you played poorly already
@@patricksimmons8117 Ahh yes, how unskilled of me to have to possibly use Tera to survive a 2 or 1 hit KO from Kingambit, Gouging Fire, or Raging Bolt (from neutral and resisted hits) then I have to hope Volcarona's Tera doesn't beat my team after having to deal with the other threats. It's always the players who abuse the braindead strategies that see zero problems with it. Lol
@@Renegade77784 yeah it is lol lmao
How to tell when a mon doesn't belong in ubers, Joey does a video on a recently OU banned mon, plays against it exactly 0 times. Any random set up mon can sweep once for youtube, but whether it belongs the tier or not is visible in the usage, and volcarona is clearly an OU mon and not an ubers mon
To be fair, OU doesn't ban mons because they'd be good in Ubers, they ban mons because they're too strong for OU. Ubers at its core is a banlist, and the power gap between it and OU is so big that even a dogshit Uber like Palkia would break OU in two. Annihilape is far from popular in Ubers and yet no sane player would say it's an OU mon
that logic really doesnt work anymore, nor has it really because theyre two different metas. nobody is running palkia-o in ubers for example, its complete ass, but its wayyyy too good for ou
Out of all the terrible takes I see when a pokemon gets banned this HAS to be the worsed one I’ve seen. Ur logic just doesn’t work and the existence of ban lists in other teirs such as UUBL is categoric evidence of this.
@@Will-zi6fn You'd be surprised how many people whine that some Ubers are bad in Ubers. Who gives a shit if they are bad at Ubers? The problem is that they are too good for OU, that's what should be addressed, not if it's good in a tier of broken pokemon.
The tiering system exists so every mon has a home. If a mon has a near 0% usage rate, then the system has failed.
How out of everything out there volc goes lol that's it im announcing my retirement right here and now that's how u know these scrubs stay banning their problems instead of tryna overcome the obstacles
The scrubs were all able to win about 30 games in a row to get suspect requirements to vote ban. Did you get your 30 wins to vote not ban?
@@verysuboptimal1977 only 7 actually
@@verysuboptimal1977 all I do is spam random battles then load up teams with lanturn thinking it will do major chip and tank hits
@GonShotBarz honestly bro that's fair enough, you gotta have fun with your favourite guys. I'm a peak 1970 player, if you want me to give you a strong lanturn team I can try to make one for you 👍
@@verysuboptimal1977 u tryna box for that lanturn team?
*plays circus music* skill issue.
Got nothing to do with you, b(ee)s(warm)s(imulator) boy
Ah yes talking about a meta you have 0 experience on truly a verlclown fan moment
@@Yas-gu1pj i have extensive experience battling on the official games. Not my fault you won't accept my experience.
Gl hitting 1200 fam 👍
@@afvpegknight i have experience "110 elo on gen 9 ou"
Weak ban. I don’t even really get it honestly, like volc is checked by gambit whose literally everywhere
Mfw the steel type checks the fire type who outspeeds and survives sucker
The only Gambit that beats Volc is tera fire, most Gambits on the ladder are not tera fire, and even then it can still lose the Sucker Punch war.
252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 104 Def Volcarona: 286-337 (76.4 - 90.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Bulky volc OS after quiver unless gambit teras
Substitute Swarm sets began seeing use, and gambit does not check those. Also, gambit is tasked with half of the tier, so it isn't difficult to take down throughout the game.
LOL 😂 Jokes on them! I tested it in OU anticipating the ban! I will be building it for my Wifi battles. When I start my channel later in May or June. My battles aren’t Smogon they’re colosseum battles with some Smogon in it. Smogon can kiss my butt! 😂🤣
Clicks on a smogon vid and complains about smogon
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We will not be watching
Smogon has 0 clue who u are bud?
Dude the ragebait gets worse and worse I swear