Brian hit it right on the head. The amount of women’s matches, especially in AEW, I watch & can see the women going through the memorized spots in their head like their counting dance steps is far to high.
Womens brains don't work the same way as mens they don't know how to simulate a fight. That's why its so obvious & like a dance routine because women very rarely fight in the first place then if they do it's based on spontaneous instinct like pulling hair and sratching they dont punch and use strategy
Completely agree - most women's matches just look so choreographed. I know most mens matches are also planned out, but there is a skill to not making it look that way
Let's just face the facts, women's wrestling is never going to be as popular as the men, and needs to be limited to ONLY using the women who can actually draw interest, whether that be through their in ring work, sex appeal, personality, etc. These women who fail to move the needle with one of the above need to be taken off the show until they prove that they can. Having middle of the road (or worse) female performers on the show, only hurts women wrestling as a whole.
To the smart fans, they have no reason to care because they know the wrestlers blade themselves. To normies flipping channels they either think the blood is fake or they're just gonna be grossed out because regular people don't enjoy seeing women getting cut up.
Exactly. I don't care how sexist it sounds, there's an innate instinct to not want to see women getting hurt in any way unless you're some kind of weirdo.
The reason Becky with the blood covered face was so iconic on Raw was because it was something that rarely happened. It was an accident that happened to become a great push for her career. The keywords here are rarely and accident, no one was asking to see that over and over again.
WWE booked it good afterwards. She wasn't the first that it happened to on Raw, but they did a great job of making her out to be tough as nails afterwards. She did a good job marketing it, as well. It has happened to Alexa and Britt. Alexa's was on NXT and it caused all kinds of drama between her and Sasha. Britt's didn't mean much because she had already had several hardcore matches.
@willejones1918 would not put it past Britt doing it purposely. She only got over in the first place because Shida gave her a receipt and broke her front canopy. Good luck finding that video and the video where Alex Reynolds got concussed and they wrestled around him lol
Do we see women hard-core matches on AEW every week? no only 3 if you count Brit bleeding, so AEW is doing blood matches in woman rarely, so you're just exaggerating, and on the comment of no body wants to see that, you just like jim don't know what you talking about, people who got tired of watching the same old-school way old mentality in wrestling, want to see something like this because is different, that's the same reason why the attitude era surpass the old school way of the 80's because it was diferente and more violent
btw, in that match, you can hear people chanting ECW, every time theirs a hard-core match on national television, people in the crowd chants ECW, when was the last time you heard anybody chant NWA on national television? goes to show you how much people want the old ways back pst!! 🙄😂
Aew uses these hard-core matches to hide the fact the majority of their roster CANT WRESTLE..it's easier to donk someone over the head with a trash bin lid than put on an actual good WRESTLING match
At the end of the Rampage match, Ruby Soho was bleeding extremely freely and her face was covered. And when she was going for the pin, she starts visibly shaking, badly, and is barely able to stand up and was assisted to stay on her feet. Let me ask you this. Her shaking after the hardcore match was compared to Terry Funk. "She's selling you mark!" So did Ruby Soho suddenly become a selling psychology god at the end of the match? Or was a 5 foot 4, 125ish pound woman showing legitimate medical signs of major blood loss?
Because they want to make up for the years of women being eye candy on TV by doing all of the dangerous attitude era stuff on a weekly basis without any story that would call for blood or dangerous spots. You put a couple of badass women in a story that makes sense for blood, sure! But they do it so everybody can go "look how far women have come!"
Which is why I agree with Brian instead of Jim on this. You're not going to develop a good women's roster that's going to do their best if they're just a sideshow with no stories and no stakes.
Say what you want about Sasha/Mercedes, she did the smart thing by keeping herself an attraction with New Japan rather than going to AEW and ending up just one of the girls like they've done with every female wrestler with name value.
She cut herself too deep to the point she couldn’t see anything to compete in the match not a lover though she hasn’t really done much since she went to AEW
they don't even compare to Suzu Suzuki beating the living colour out of Risa Sera in a proper outlaw mudshow Prominence show like the one's they're trying to be similar to. We wish they were trying to emulate Chigusa Nagayo or Manami Toyota, this is just something else
@@juanenhernansanz I'd take SLK running over Prominence with a bike than any of the gratuitous bloodletting in matches. At least it's also entertaining in a slapstick kind of way.
I have been saying what Brian said here virtually verbatim for a couple of years now. Guys like Rock and Stone Cold were generational talents, but they got over the way they did in part because they were in multiple segments on nearly every show. Even the mid card guys got vignettes and promo time on every show because they did not have to fit as many people on one show. Since the number of women's matches have increased, no one is getting over. A big part of that is due to the fact that they are trying to fit so many people on every show. To have the number of women's matches that they are having, it now forces them to essentially field two full rosters instead of one. This means that they have to give time to twice as many performers without having any extra time to do so. The performers get less time, and everything happens so quickly that nothing has time to settle in, or work the way that it should.
Admit it, you want to see main event and mid-card guys in their undies every segment. You don’t care who it is , as long as it’s a sweaty dude in their undies trying to dominate or discuss how they will dominate the other dude. That’s what you live for. That’s what you recreate with your action figures too.
Another reason bad women wrestlers get more TV over bad men's wrestlers is because there is still a portion of the audience who will sit and watch pretty women do whatever (even bad wrestling) where as those same individuals will change the channel or walk away during the bad men's matches.
So? It’s viewership and viewership brings sponsors and ad dollars. Jim and Brian go on and on about the ring rats in the territory days. You really think they cared about who was a better worker or who delivered the best hip toss?
Bullshit, bad womens wrestling gets more attention because these companies are trying to be woke...aew consistently since its launch loses viewers every single time women touch that mat...nxt 2.0 turned into a tits and ass show and 60% of its viewership walked away
The Jackass movies do not have women do dangerous stunts since they said people do not want to see a women get hurt. Early in the show they had a female cast member Stephanie Hodge that had a serious injury (it never aired) and they decided they would never have women do these type of stunts anymore. I think wrestling can learn from this. The new female cast member Rachel only did fairly safe stunts, she is a comedian and did have some funny comments so she did add to the movie
Yeah it's ridiculous! women normaly don't care for seeing anyone never mind other women hurt and men don't look at women in that way where they can watch them get hurt. Apart from a few psychos that get off on it amd one or 2 pc lesbians nobody wants to see it
@@kmk900___ no... they didn't. People in general find it more palatable than women getting hurt... I mean, I'm a man, how many people are going to rush to my aid if I get mugged compared to a woman? Go figure. Stop trying to cause trouble.
I'm legitimately scared to watch the Aew women's matches. I swear someone will make that fear completely appropriate. I've seen Julia Hart smash her head on concrete, I've seen Ember Moon toss a poor girl to the concrete in a wreckless manner, I've seen Anna Jay get her head smacked on concrete. So many more instances too. It's legit scary. Ha.
@@stephenmortensen when someone gets paralyzed for the rest of their life I hope you remember you made this dumbass comment, cause I guarantee you’ll be the first one crying on twitter that the shit is too dangerous
Any reservation toward female performers because they are female is sexist and misogynistic. You do not own these women. There is nothing worse for a female performer to do than for a male performer to do.
The first TNA Knockouts claim they got higher TV ratings than the TNA men in 2009 and I think early 2010. Their segments were also getting more internet/UA-cam clicks. While the WWEs Diva division was just for eye candy, the Knockouts had sex appeal too but also characters who offered something completely unique to women's wrestling at that time. ODB was a hard-drinking comedy character, Awesome Kong was a scary behemoth, Gail Kim was an athletic technical wrestler, Angelina Love and Velvet Sky were well-developed "mean girl" tag-team characters, Daffney was a Halloween character, and Roxxi was doing groundbreaking ladder matches, hardcore matches, and street matches. The Knockouts division had well-developed storylines, stables (Kongtourage, the Beautiful People), rivalries, heat, relationships, and jokes. They even had a women's tag-team belt nearly a decade before WWE. I think people tuned in because no one had seen a woman's wrestling division that well crafted before. (Sure, WWE had once been going down that road in 2001 and 2002, but it was short lived. They very quickly changed their direction by hiring supermodels during the Diva Search and cutting any woman wrestler who didn't look like a supermodel who would appeal to Vince.)
Yep. The Knockouts during that time prove that women's wrestling, if well booked and with interesting characters, stories and matches, absolutely can draw. The problem with women's wrestling now is that the major promotions only view it as a political obligation. I imagine Vince McMahon and Dixie Khan both would rather just use women as eye candy on the actual talents' arm, but they continue this farce to keep the moral busybodies off their asses.
@@MrRjh63 I dunno, those outfits still look designed for sex appeal. But sex appeal doesn't work alone, or Launenitis's lingerie models would have succeeded.
@@MrRjh63 It's not much different from Hollywood actors. If you're not classically attractive, you're probably going to have to be a character actor that fits your appearance, a villain, or a comedian. Sure, there are double standards and higher standards for women. In the wrestling business, sizeable men have an advantage over small guys when getting booked or pushed. For women however, it's beauty and sex appeal. I don't think most male and female viewers want to watch ugly women, even in heel roles. Some lesbian viewers may like muscular, manly women acting like men, but they don't seem to be driving viewership. My wife and female friends prefer watching fabulous, beautiful women.
Tbh part of what I like about the Japanese side of things is that, usually, women's promotions are sisters to men's promotions and can cross over occasionally but make separate events. NJPW and Stardom, for instance (at least before the IWGP Women's Championship thing) and I think it's a good idea so they can portray them properly and in an equal amount of matches. I know indie shows go for intergender matches a lot and while I can understand why, I think it's not always a good idea
Have women on the ppv's. And let em have their own show on their own day. Or maybe even back to back after after Smackdown or NXT.. Cut Raw down to 2 hrs..
'Forcing something onto the fans that was unwanted and unasked for.' Sounds about just like every other single aspect of the entertainment field today!
Women bleed the exact same way as men, I see no good reason to have any variance between the two. The overuse of blood in men's and women's matches has completely oversaturated its use to the point of irrelevancy though. Blood should be used as a major storytelling element, not embroidery.
Considering Canada has been expanding their assisted suicide programs, AEW should consider doing an extended tour over there. They might even get fully funded by the federal government.
Yeah cause allowing people to kill themselves due to being overly depressed/learning difficulties etc sounds like a wonderful thing, especially to joke about.
@@chrissymc886.. The joke is its actually allowed.. And to the terrible comment person, what's terrible its a joke, it's terrible what Canada is doing but the joke isn't terrible...
The occasional women bleeding can add drama like when Becky got her nose broke. Otherwise, it's repulsive. Only weirdos like that. The same with intergender wrestling. It's weird.
Remember a year or so ago.. Britt WMD got blood in some 7 star Meltzer match and the match was beloved... Since then every show, half of the matches have had blood..
My thing is that the women's matches wouldn't turn some people off if the matches and characters were treated like they matter. Hardcore could be good men or women as long as there is a reason for the match and the people involved can make it look good.
Dana White said there was no appetite for women to fight in UFC...Ronda Rousey became one of the biggest stars in the company's history. Becky Lynch has already proven you can create a star with drawing power in the women's division.
Becky was one trick pony just like Bryan Danielson, they both had that short hype run and now they are both in the mud, we don't need 1 year hyped up wrestlers we need stars like Austin,Rock and Cena
@@drsurtur3240 Becky's storyline right now could be better, but she still gets one of the biggest pops of anybody on the roster when her music hits. If you can see the entire arena leaving their seats every time she comes out, she's doing something right. Also, Smackdown just did it's best demo in 3 years without any of those guys. They have stars, but too many wrestling fans hang onto old memories for some imaginary standard no promotion will ever be able to live up to again.
I don’t mind a bloody women’s match if it’s reasonable just like I enjoyed the DogCollar match or assorted HiaC. If the violence is done well and there’s blood I don’t care who’s involved.
I am a woman and I don't like to see women bleed for no reason in a match. I think some of the best matches with women that were emotional that did have blood are few and far between - I'll give you one Lita vs Trish Stratus in 04 (I can't remember the PPV) - Trish got busted open accidentally but it was a blood fued between them where Trish had mocked Lita for losing her baby in storyline ( a silly baby storyline but the feud between the two worked). This led to Trish breaking her nose in kayfabe and wearing a mask, and she bled and really got beat up and was such a hated heel that the crowd booed and cheered Lita and booed the refs for breaking it up. This later leads to the first women's main event on RAW between Lita and Trish where Lita goes over for the title, a great match. The gratuitous nonsense that I see AEW doing looks awful, and there doesn't appear to be a reason for it.
Stardom is decent. The women there can work. People who watch it want to watch it. Great characters. Some of it is a bit odd for me as a western man, but it is good. Guilia has it all, character, presence, promo, decent in the ring, helps others succeed, granted sometimes she no sales - usually a story behind it.
And yeah, I also know promotions like Prominence has an established women's deathmatch side of things, but AEW really need to understand that's a niche (Japanese wrestling) within a niche (women's Japanese wrestling) within a niche (Japanese female deathmatch wrestling) and they can't cater to that super specific niche in a mainstream environment
Guess as an avid watcher of MMA, seeing bleeding women isn't so shocking? Women in MMA have had cuts, splits, breaks, hematomas etc However, I guess there's an emotional difference between a controlled fighting environment and what appears to be pure savagery in AEW.
@@jesusleyva4386 She will team up with anyone. No need to hire Brad Maddox or Xavier Woods. Paige is willing to team up with anyone. With anyone that wants her.
That was on a wcw nitro when Brian Pillman was doing that loose canon gimmick. Pillman grabbed bobby Heenan from behind by his neck and Bobby screamed wtf are you doing. Lol it was funny.
I can't understand why guys getting color in every match is just annoying while women getting color in a match here or there has to be responding with "this is pornography." I'd rather have this than bra and panty matches every week.
Brian Last is spot-on as always Or even, like, 1 program dedicated solely to the women in the company, and do a crossover from time to time during certain angles It always works, and I thought Women of Honor was done really well It made women's wrestling something special It's getting to a point again where that becomes the bathroom break segment of every show
Don’t have a real problem with blood under better circumstances. Trish and Lita back in the day for the women’s title: fine, a little bit of blood is fine even by accident. If one of the ladies get this imaginary restraining order lifted, Bianca and Rhea in a blood feud, no pun intended: perfect, no problem. Instead, it’s random women in random matches with no stakes, no heat, no investment from the fans, and the blood is too excessive on one person for the defense of it not being intentional or planned.
I get that the women want to create their own legendary blood feuds but the blood and the crazy spots are being wasted on matches that no one will remember in a month. That stuff is meant to compliment great wrestling not supplement a general lack of talent.
Problem is that these guys are blaming the women for the fact that wrestling is dead as fuck. No one pays attention to wrestling any more, because it's not a big deal. Even if you got rid of women's wrestling and reduced all the girls to eye-candy valets or brought back the Moolah traveling troupe model where there'smaybe one match a month, wrestling is still dead. And honestly, that Ruby Soho match doesn't become any less revolting if it's men doing it.
@@wilcee238 Which had more to do with his personality and work than bleeding nowhere hear as bad as this. Lord knows if crimson masks alone got people over, Moxley would be the biggest star ever.
@@pleaseshutup7053 A factor, but not THE factor. No one would have cared if it were, say, a random match between Bret and Marty Janetty. And that's the core issue. Blood without a build-up, without a story, it's just CZW horse shit that the business can do without.
Mysteriously enough, straight men (aka most of the audience) would prefer women wrestlers to look like Carrie Bradshaw from “Sex In The City” than Carrie from “Carrie”. Ted Turner wouldn’t show this, but Ike Turner would.
Demand is a tricky thing to ascertain. And I agree that I can't recall, before we started getting consistently good or great women's wrestling here in the US, ever asking for it. But now that we do have it, I'm glad it's here. I agree it shouldn't be 50/50 between men's & women's matches just because. But there are absolutely women in both companies that I'd rather see on any given night than certain men on the roster. There have been times when the best match or only match worth seeing was a women's match. Asuka has been my favorite wrestler since she debuted in NXT, and there are few people I'm as excited to see these days. Gunther/Walter & Imperium, Sami Zayn, and then it trends down from there. If I ever travel to Japan, though I wouldn't mind attending an NJPW show, my biggest priority would be attending a Stardom show. Because I enjoy their shows way more than NJPW most of the time. So, I guess the real trick is like Jim said, better evaluating who should & shouldn't get time between men & women. Using Raw XXX as an example, the only things that I cared about on that show were the trial, the Raw tag title match, and the cage match. Everything that came after that was bleh and worthless to me, mush as I like some of the people who were featured throughout. And it sucks we didn't get the cage match. If I'd been there in person, I'd have left as soon as I realized the cage match wasn't happening. But that's just me. Will be interesting to see how things progress. But absolutely, WWE has more women worth watching than AEW right now. And blood for the sake of it is worthless. The match referenced was bad on multiple levels. Sadly, I feel like we're still heading towards a women's blood & guts match. I thought both the men's matches sucked, so I don't have any hope a women's match would be any better.
The women don't seem as driven to prove themselves as they did when Charlotte and the rest were coming up. They need a back stage culture of wanting to constantly outperform each other and prove themselves
Brian is also my whisperer. My honest opinion is the best female wrestlers in America work at a pace that's naturally expected of the average male wrestler. That's fine, women's wrestling WAS always a special attraction, and the problem is when you hire about 40 women and so many of them suck. And the talented ones have to water themselves down to work with that. Imagine Roman Reigns having to work with Jessie Godderz week in and week out. Ludicrous.
You can't run an all-woman promotion for the exact reason you mention though - there isn't an audience for it. WWE did an all-woman PPV a few years ago, and it was their lowest-selling PPV of all time. You can make stars out of the women in a company like WWE. There just isn't enough women for both promotions to justify having full women's rosters.
Not much of that in WWE recently. The only exception is Bianca getting busted up in her chin while having to sell for someone less than half her size who puts as much effort and excitement into her TV time as a person would for a root canal.
How many times has Britt broken her nose since she accused Rosa of sandbagging?? The same Rosa that kept Britt and her beak relatively safe during a furniture match and all their other matches.
Brian keeps saying nobody wants to state the obvious about the AEW Women's division, but having Britt Baker as its cornerstone might be one reason it has not grown much.
if you separate the twitter fanbase, you'll see barely any fans gives 2 shxts about women's wrestling. WWE is lucky to have actually female stars to tune in to...AEW have potential but really no draws in their women's division
Neckbeard marks want to see this...and that, unfortunately makes up the largest portion of the AEW fan base, and when the owner/booker is a neckbeard mark too, then this is what we get
I gotta disagree. The idea that nobody cares about violent women's matches is silly. The entire reason Becky Lynch and Britt Baker are over is because they got busted open. The fans would still be indifferent to them.
Only a small portion of what Corny was talking about, but MAN Ricky Banderas was such a missed opportunity in the US. If only he’d discovered his Mil Muertes gimmick 15 plus years ago. He could’ve drawn serious money with Taker for multiple years, and to a lesser extent Kane and later Bray Wyatt. But ESPECIALLY Taker back when Taker still had his legs and could work more than once a year. Even though he’s only about 6’0-6’1, he looks so much bigger. He’s even more jacked than Cena was at his peak. And the gimmick and his look and the total package was just a million dollar act… especially if Taker pushed for him. Today we can only dream about what might’ve been 😫
I think Porn Hub may be talking about blood from other regions than their forehead are a no no specifically , but yeah only in wrestling can someone blade and it be acceptable on ANY platform not called the Dark Net . But whats the difference between a guy or a girl doing it in a wrestling scenario ? I think its fine . I dont "get off " on it when the women do it . Just the same as i dont when men get color . Most fans like some blood in their wrestling when called for wouldnt you think ? I dont see the difference .
Yeah, I must admit for me and people around me will go to the bathroom on a women's match, or a Bray Wyatt segment. There should not be blood unless there is a cage or a chair angle. It has to be logical. I know there are some harways but blood should be rare.
Not for bloody matches at all. But, if someone gets hit with a chair or something, they might get cut...so there might be blood. So what's the big deal? What's wrong with having more than one females' match? Why can't men and women be on the same show? Why would women have to have their own promotion? RAW is 3hrs, let there be a couple of womens' matches.
You know what? I kinda feel for the women wrestlers right now. Most of them want to be looked at as competitors, but most of the fans only like them for their looks. Liv Morgan is going viral for smacking her ass, Mandy Rose made a fortune on her fansite, and even Rhea Ripley is leaning into her whole 'muscle mommy' persona. I understand Brian's point here, but the alternative would be a return to the diva's era, IMO.
During the Attitude Era, the women's division was over for the most part. Those girls could wrestle, they simply weren't given the opportunity. Jazz, Molly Holly, Ivory, Lita, Chyna could all work with anyone safely. Lita and Trish's Raw Main Event title match proved that the girls could carry the spot well. The Divas era was abysmal and WWE learned the lesson the hard way.
@@stevegyles3190 The Divas Era was garbage. It's what the AEW women's division is. They are a joke. Just like the Divas were for WWE. Like you say WWE and Vince learned the hard way. That is why Vince changed the women's division. The AEW women's division is like the Divas division of AEW. It doesn't matter how much blood they spill they are Divas. Cause Tony books them like that. I have said this. Tony doesn't like women's wrestling. Cause he doesn't care about it. Even Ruby Soho said that when Tony hired her. She never talked to him.
Damn facts!!! After the Brit Baker crimson mask I felt TONY..(thinking of his wallet again) would try an repeat it! Nah.. not buying! Jade vs Brit is what the ppl want..Not bloody women..
I was watching a Bra and panties stacey vs Trish match yesterday (wasn’t me searching but the algorithm) it was very entertaining the only problem it was too short. We need more matches like that.
So it's OK for male wrestlers to bleed in matches, but not the women. I agree that they shouldn't have a separate company for females. That's called segregation
I do not care for hardcore wrestling to begin with. I would not want to watch a show dedicated to it. If there was a hardcore match once in a while I would not mind so much if done right. Same thing with bleeding. It should be saved for important times. Women bleeding? I would really rather not see that at all, but if it was to happen like once or twice a year in a very thoughtful way in very animated feuds at ppv... Honestly more concerning to me is I don't want to see someone get paralyzed or die on tv because flipping through tables seems cool. What the hell is going to happen when some 100 pound girl who looks like someones little sister or daughter snaps their spinal chord?
I remember the Road Warriors spiking Dusty in the forehead...Now that was alot of blood. Or when Devon got scraped across his forehead by an Award Plaque.
@@k.konczak3291 I don't own a keyboard...should buy one? Maybe I'd be cooler? Maybe you'd like me then!? 😃no wait...MAYBE Cornhole will like me too!?! Yes!! That's it!! I need a keyboard...thank you so much...!!
I’m guilty of thinking WWE should allow their women to bleed in some hardcore matches, ladder matches, HIAC, Cage matches, etc. But I was only in favor of it if they did less of the crazier spots.
There is nothing wrong with blood in womens matches. The issue is the need for it. Why is someone bleeding? Is it the culmination of a heated brutal angle like Rosa and Baker? Ok do it. Is it a random tag match with Ruby Nobody and Tay Conti? No thank you. Blood should never be used unless it means something. People like Moxley have no idea how to use color, and it rubs off on the impressionable wrestlers who look up to him.
I think there's some truth to what Brian said. Perhaps it's time to make pre-shows more like actual pre-shows. But not just for the women. Put anyone that has some potential (but isn't main event material yet) on a different show with a bunch of midcarders. Make those shows 1) more competition based, 2) free to watch on UA-cam. Have 4 or 5 matches on each of those shows and make it clear that each match has value (much like winning matches in a regular season of basketball, American football, football (soccer) has. --> you score points and climb up the rankings). Then have the top 3 wrestlers in your (scripted) rankings appear on your main show every 3 weeks (which is not free to watch but brought to you exclusively by...... > name of TV or streaming service< ). There give them angles and big promos. This way you encourage all your guys 'n gals to put up great competitive matches at the pre-show because they then get a shot at the main show later. It also gives you the option to rotate talent. Because week 1 'Savage Steph' pinned 'Burly Britta'. But this week there's a match between 'Salacious Sally' and 'Jigsaw Jenny'. Which means the people who liked the match from the first week will want to see how well their favorite from that match does two weeks later. It also cleans up the card for your main shows so you only have to feature the best stuff. And you'd only need about 1,5 to 2 hours. Making everything more palatable and easy to watch. The hardcore fans can watch both the youtube preliminaries and the main shows. And your main shows still look tight. I know it's old fashioned. But I would like it that way.
I like Hikaru Shida a lot... but Corny and Brian are a little too harsh on women, I like watching women's wrestling. I don't like bad women's wrestling but I don't like bad men's wrestling either and Miz and Orange Cassidy are on TV most weeks.
I just want to let everyone that likes Women's Wrestling know that there is a wonderful promotion down here in Texas that is Run by Women, and headed by Thunder Rosa called Mission Pro Wrestling.
Women's wrestling has come a long way, but I think the promotions are trying to make up for lost time, so they're trying to rush the evolution of the divisions. The problem is, 5, 10, 15 years from now the novelty will have worn off. Billing things as the "first women's _________" draws people in, because it's the first ever. Well, when it's not first anymore, will fans still watch? If the marketing always revolves around it being "first", it dies off when it's not first anymore. So, the product has to be able to stand on it's own.
Charlotte does get boring with her promos sometimes, Bianca is always boring but I genuinely like Becky. At least during that "The Man" face run. She's good. But I don't want to see that manly dominatrix Rhea Ripley wrestling Dick Togo's son on Raw. That was ridiculous. 😂
Well we’re not used to seeing women bleed in wrestling, WWE, WCW or TNA never did it, I don’t think even ECW did it. Or if they did it would be very tiny amount. The only times I remember blood on a women was Lita in the match between Edge and Mick Foley at Mania 22, there is a moment where you could see Lita on the ground checking her chin and lip that looked to have a tiny amount of blood. And Mickie James during that amazing stalker story with Trish where Mickie got a tiny amount of blood on her face and kissed Trish while she was on laid out on the mat. So those are the only times I remember seeing blood on a women in wrestling and it was just a tiny amount.
Womens wrestling needs to stop trying to be mens wrestling. No more table spots, no more barbed wire nonsense. Make it more athletic, more technical, more cerebral...technique over brutality. Clever finishes, not just who gets hit with the most devastating assault. Drama and heart, not violence is the way forward.
The Porn Hub thing is an old standard with pornography/sexual content as it concerns violence. Anything deemed too violent mixed with sexual content is almost instantly banned in most countries which is why the line between specific kinks and regular porn is well established. As for the blood in the women's matches, it seems they are both trying to keep up with what the men are doing, which, a lot of the time, is equally stupid and dangerous lately. Or they are going for the hardcore slasher film audience where bloody women are a staple.
Brian hit it right on the head. The amount of women’s matches, especially in AEW, I watch & can see the women going through the memorized spots in their head like their counting dance steps is far to high.
Womens brains don't work the same way as mens they don't know how to simulate a fight. That's why its so obvious & like a dance routine because women very rarely fight in the first place then if they do it's based on spontaneous instinct like pulling hair and sratching they dont punch and use strategy
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And agree 100 percent with you.
Completely agree - most women's matches just look so choreographed. I know most mens matches are also planned out, but there is a skill to not making it look that way
Yup 1000% agree
Let's just face the facts, women's wrestling is never going to be as popular as the men, and needs to be limited to ONLY using the women who can actually draw interest, whether that be through their in ring work, sex appeal, personality, etc. These women who fail to move the needle with one of the above need to be taken off the show until they prove that they can. Having middle of the road (or worse) female performers on the show, only hurts women wrestling as a whole.
To the smart fans, they have no reason to care because they know the wrestlers blade themselves. To normies flipping channels they either think the blood is fake or they're just gonna be grossed out because regular people don't enjoy seeing women getting cut up.
But seeing a man like Mick Foley get bloodied up is all fine and dandy? lmao
@@pjludda4323 The amount of clown ass internet buzzwords 😆🤡
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Exactly. I don't care how sexist it sounds, there's an innate instinct to not want to see women getting hurt in any way unless you're some kind of weirdo.
@@kmk900___ there were times where even he got so bloody to where I was like" alright bro enough"
The reason Becky with the blood covered face was so iconic on Raw was because it was something that rarely happened. It was an accident that happened to become a great push for her career. The keywords here are rarely and accident, no one was asking to see that over and over again.
Because it was organic and not forced.
WWE booked it good afterwards. She wasn't the first that it happened to on Raw, but they did a great job of making her out to be tough as nails afterwards. She did a good job marketing it, as well. It has happened to Alexa and Britt. Alexa's was on NXT and it caused all kinds of drama between her and Sasha. Britt's didn't mean much because she had already had several hardcore matches.
@willejones1918 would not put it past Britt doing it purposely. She only got over in the first place because Shida gave her a receipt and broke her front canopy.
Good luck finding that video and the video where Alex Reynolds got concussed and they wrestled around him lol
Do we see women hard-core matches on AEW every week? no only 3 if you count Brit bleeding, so AEW is doing blood matches in woman rarely, so you're just exaggerating, and on the comment of no body wants to see that, you just like jim don't know what you talking about, people who got tired of watching the same old-school way old mentality in wrestling, want to see something like this because is different, that's the same reason why the attitude era surpass the old school way of the 80's because it was diferente and more violent
btw, in that match, you can hear people chanting ECW, every time theirs a hard-core match on national television, people in the crowd chants ECW, when was the last time you heard anybody chant NWA on national television? goes to show you how much people want the old ways back pst!! 🙄😂
Aew uses these hard-core matches to hide the fact the majority of their roster CANT WRESTLE..it's easier to donk someone over the head with a trash bin lid than put on an actual good WRESTLING match
A 40 foot Peter North pole. Now that's a great line. 😂
I never thought that a video on "The Hub" is more safe than a match on AEW
It’s not they have equally or more depraved stuff on the hub.
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Ruby Soho is the female John Moxley...........the end.
Not at all. Moxley can, at least, talk. Ha.
@@Am0ment0fB he can??? Since when?
Well that's a Riott Ain't it...
@@thunderkitty73 stop it now. Moxley can cut a promo. It's just what he has to say is nonsense. I don't even remember what Ruby sounds like. Ha.
@@Am0ment0fB likely the over emphasis at the end of sentences that the PC taught her...see: every bianca Belair promo for reference. Heh
At the end of the Rampage match, Ruby Soho was bleeding extremely freely and her face was covered. And when she was going for the pin, she starts visibly shaking, badly, and is barely able to stand up and was assisted to stay on her feet.
Let me ask you this. Her shaking after the hardcore match was compared to Terry Funk. "She's selling you mark!" So did Ruby Soho suddenly become a selling psychology god at the end of the match?
Or was a 5 foot 4, 125ish pound woman showing legitimate medical signs of major blood loss?
I like Ruby Soho and that was, not badass, not cool but I can't think of a third synonym similar to those words. However she shouldn't have done it
Because they want to make up for the years of women being eye candy on TV by doing all of the dangerous attitude era stuff on a weekly basis without any story that would call for blood or dangerous spots. You put a couple of badass women in a story that makes sense for blood, sure! But they do it so everybody can go "look how far women have come!"
Which is why I agree with Brian instead of Jim on this. You're not going to develop a good women's roster that's going to do their best if they're just a sideshow with no stories and no stakes.
Blood should be used as an exclamation point to a big feud. It should mean something. Not everyone should bleed all the time. Make it special.
I love this art. Ruby looking out the window of the Razor Factory is quality stuff
Cornette's head on Dick the Bruiser's body. :)
quality stuff
Say what you want about Sasha/Mercedes, she did the smart thing by keeping herself an attraction with New Japan rather than going to AEW and ending up just one of the girls like they've done with every female wrestler with name value.
The amount of blood in the Ruby match took away from the actual match. It was a distraction, and the amount of blood became comical.
She looked like an extra from the nightclub in the 1st Blade movie
She cut herself too deep to the point she couldn’t see anything to compete in the match not a lover though she hasn’t really done much since she went to AEW
@@jonathanevans4686 That's what happens when you have someone doing something that they have no experience doing.
These crazy matches don't even compare to the insane violent Japanese joshi events of the 80s & 90s, which also came off looking far more real.
they don't even compare to Suzu Suzuki beating the living colour out of Risa Sera in a proper outlaw mudshow Prominence show like the one's they're trying to be similar to. We wish they were trying to emulate Chigusa Nagayo or Manami Toyota, this is just something else
@@juanenhernansanz I'd take SLK running over Prominence with a bike than any of the gratuitous bloodletting in matches.
At least it's also entertaining in a slapstick kind of way.
@@Kono_D._Oda oh any day of the week of course
I have been saying what Brian said here virtually verbatim for a couple of years now. Guys like Rock and Stone Cold were generational talents, but they got over the way they did in part because they were in multiple segments on nearly every show. Even the mid card guys got vignettes and promo time on every show because they did not have to fit as many people on one show. Since the number of women's matches have increased, no one is getting over. A big part of that is due to the fact that they are trying to fit so many people on every show. To have the number of women's matches that they are having, it now forces them to essentially field two full rosters instead of one. This means that they have to give time to twice as many performers without having any extra time to do so. The performers get less time, and everything happens so quickly that nothing has time to settle in, or work the way that it should.
Good way to look at it
Admit it, you want to see main event and mid-card guys in their undies every segment. You don’t care who it is , as long as it’s a sweaty dude in their undies trying to dominate or discuss how they will dominate the other dude. That’s what you live for. That’s what you recreate with your action figures too.
@@fayerson why are you here
@@noname-gp6hk to listen and comment like you. Does it make you uncomfortable knowing that you prefer to look at sweaty dudes in their undies ?
@@fayerson why are you here?
Another reason bad women wrestlers get more TV over bad men's wrestlers is because there is still a portion of the audience who will sit and watch pretty women do whatever (even bad wrestling) where as those same individuals will change the channel or walk away during the bad men's matches.
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So? It’s viewership and viewership brings sponsors and ad dollars. Jim and Brian go on and on about the ring rats in the territory days. You really think they cared about who was a better worker or who delivered the best hip toss?
Bullshit, bad womens wrestling gets more attention because these companies are trying to be woke...aew consistently since its launch loses viewers every single time women touch that mat...nxt 2.0 turned into a tits and ass show and 60% of its viewership walked away
@@trahapace150 lol lol lol lol lol lol
Except it's not 2005 where every female wrestler is a bombshell.
The Jackass movies do not have women do dangerous stunts since they said people do not want to see a women get hurt. Early in the show they had a female cast member Stephanie Hodge that had a serious injury (it never aired) and they decided they would never have women do these type of stunts anymore. I think wrestling can learn from this. The new female cast member Rachel only did fairly safe stunts, she is a comedian and did have some funny comments so she did add to the movie
Yeah it's ridiculous! women normaly don't care for seeing anyone never mind other women hurt and men don't look at women in that way where they can watch them get hurt. Apart from a few psychos that get off on it amd one or 2 pc lesbians nobody wants to see it
@@cutekanjii But it is universally accepted that a guy getting hit in the balls is always hilarious.
So your saying male pain is always funny?
@@kmk900___ no... they didn't. People in general find it more palatable than women getting hurt... I mean, I'm a man, how many people are going to rush to my aid if I get mugged compared to a woman? Go figure.
Stop trying to cause trouble.
@@johnkolko5199 only on jackass or on TV. Not irl. It evokes sympathy out of this guy
I'm legitimately scared to watch the Aew women's matches. I swear someone will make that fear completely appropriate. I've seen Julia Hart smash her head on concrete, I've seen Ember Moon toss a poor girl to the concrete in a wreckless manner, I've seen Anna Jay get her head smacked on concrete. So many more instances too. It's legit scary. Ha.
it’s wrestling bro lol
I'm sure these adult women appreciate your pearl clutching on their behalf.
@@lamboonlac there's a difference between wrestling and recklessness
@@stephenmortensen when someone gets paralyzed for the rest of their life I hope you remember you made this dumbass comment, cause I guarantee you’ll be the first one crying on twitter that the shit is too dangerous
@@lamboonlac are u a fan of the slapping show by Dana White too?! I'm guessing yes
Any reservation toward female performers because they are female is sexist and misogynistic. You do not own these women. There is nothing worse for a female performer to do than for a male performer to do.
The first TNA Knockouts claim they got higher TV ratings than the TNA men in 2009 and I think early 2010. Their segments were also getting more internet/UA-cam clicks. While the WWEs Diva division was just for eye candy, the Knockouts had sex appeal too but also characters who offered something completely unique to women's wrestling at that time. ODB was a hard-drinking comedy character, Awesome Kong was a scary behemoth, Gail Kim was an athletic technical wrestler, Angelina Love and Velvet Sky were well-developed "mean girl" tag-team characters, Daffney was a Halloween character, and Roxxi was doing groundbreaking ladder matches, hardcore matches, and street matches. The Knockouts division had well-developed storylines, stables (Kongtourage, the Beautiful People), rivalries, heat, relationships, and jokes. They even had a women's tag-team belt nearly a decade before WWE. I think people tuned in because no one had seen a woman's wrestling division that well crafted before. (Sure, WWE had once been going down that road in 2001 and 2002, but it was short lived. They very quickly changed their direction by hiring supermodels during the Diva Search and cutting any woman wrestler who didn't look like a supermodel who would appeal to Vince.)
exactly
Yep. The Knockouts during that time prove that women's wrestling, if well booked and with interesting characters, stories and matches, absolutely can draw. The problem with women's wrestling now is that the major promotions only view it as a political obligation. I imagine Vince McMahon and Dixie Khan both would rather just use women as eye candy on the actual talents' arm, but they continue this farce to keep the moral busybodies off their asses.
I think part of that was they leaned In on them being sexy. Now they seem to treat them roughly like they are just like the guys.
@@MrRjh63 I dunno, those outfits still look designed for sex appeal. But sex appeal doesn't work alone, or Launenitis's lingerie models would have succeeded.
@@MrRjh63 It's not much different from Hollywood actors. If you're not classically attractive, you're probably going to have to be a character actor that fits your appearance, a villain, or a comedian. Sure, there are double standards and higher standards for women. In the wrestling business, sizeable men have an advantage over small guys when getting booked or pushed. For women however, it's beauty and sex appeal. I don't think most male and female viewers want to watch ugly women, even in heel roles. Some lesbian viewers may like muscular, manly women acting like men, but they don't seem to be driving viewership. My wife and female friends prefer watching fabulous, beautiful women.
Tbh part of what I like about the Japanese side of things is that, usually, women's promotions are sisters to men's promotions and can cross over occasionally but make separate events. NJPW and Stardom, for instance (at least before the IWGP Women's Championship thing) and I think it's a good idea so they can portray them properly and in an equal amount of matches. I know indie shows go for intergender matches a lot and while I can understand why, I think it's not always a good idea
Have women on the ppv's. And let em have their own show on their own day. Or maybe even back to back after after Smackdown or NXT.. Cut Raw down to 2 hrs..
It's easier to bleed than to become Serena Deeb. It's just the latest shortcut to get a reaction. 😔
What happened to her, is she injured haven't seen for long.
Wrestling world doesn’t need Serena deebs we need more stacey Keiblers and torrie Wilson’s
I miss Deeb. The best women's wrestler in AEW, and they won't put her on TV.
@@pleaseshutup7053 nah
@@WeNeedMorePositivityInTheWorld Yes we do. Beautiful women who flaunt what they got brings more positivity
At this point they could probably have Brodie Lee's kid take a powerbomb through a flaming table and still wouldn't get cancelled
Except the Young Cucks would probably try to fight him in the back, for stealing a potential match finish from them.
While performing a tearful prayer to his dad.
Don’t give TK any ideas
'Forcing something onto the fans that was unwanted and unasked for.' Sounds about just like every other single aspect of the entertainment field today!
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Sounds like HHH as champion back in the early 2000s too.
Women bleed the exact same way as men, I see no good reason to have any variance between the two.
The overuse of blood in men's and women's matches has completely oversaturated its use to the point of irrelevancy though. Blood should be used as a major storytelling element, not embroidery.
The Mass Transit incident goes mainstream.
Considering Canada has been expanding their assisted suicide programs, AEW should consider doing an extended tour over there. They might even get fully funded by the federal government.
Except they’re not going to subsidize AEW boring people to death, because it’s a cruel form of self deletion.
What a terrible comment honestly
You’re literally advocating or even joking for wrestlers that provide you entertainment with their bodies to be killed.
Yeah cause allowing people to kill themselves due to being overly depressed/learning difficulties etc sounds like a wonderful thing, especially to joke about.
@@chrissymc886.. The joke is its actually allowed.. And to the terrible comment person, what's terrible its a joke, it's terrible what Canada is doing but the joke isn't terrible...
The occasional women bleeding can add drama like when Becky got her nose broke. Otherwise, it's repulsive. Only weirdos like that. The same with intergender wrestling. It's weird.
Becky is the only one ever stop it
@@pleaseshutup7053 uhh beth Phoenix? Trish?
Remember a year or so ago.. Britt WMD got blood in some 7 star Meltzer match and the match was beloved... Since then every show, half of the matches have had blood..
WMD. I see what you did there.
I remember Gilbert Cosme (Ricky Banderas) as Judas Mesias in Impact. He also gave a gory beatdown to Eric Young on Impact in another match.
Waltman got in trouble for cussing in a match the cameras picked up as well… He was fired but rehired almost immediately…
My thing is that the women's matches wouldn't turn some people off if the matches and characters were treated like they matter. Hardcore could be good men or women as long as there is a reason for the match and the people involved can make it look good.
I don't have a problem with women blading same as men, but just looked up the pictures of ruby and... Wow
Dana White said there was no appetite for women to fight in UFC...Ronda Rousey became one of the biggest stars in the company's history. Becky Lynch has already proven you can create a star with drawing power in the women's division.
Becky was one trick pony just like Bryan Danielson, they both had that short hype run and now they are both in the mud, we don't need 1 year hyped up wrestlers we need stars like Austin,Rock and Cena
@@drsurtur3240 she became the biggest name in wrestling and her face being broken by jax was iconic
@@drsurtur3240 Becky's storyline right now could be better, but she still gets one of the biggest pops of anybody on the roster when her music hits. If you can see the entire arena leaving their seats every time she comes out, she's doing something right.
Also, Smackdown just did it's best demo in 3 years without any of those guys. They have stars, but too many wrestling fans hang onto old memories for some imaginary standard no promotion will ever be able to live up to again.
I don’t mind a bloody women’s match if it’s reasonable just like I enjoyed the DogCollar match or assorted HiaC. If the violence is done well and there’s blood I don’t care who’s involved.
WWE had that Evolution PPV and it was so popular they never did it again 😂🤣
It was pretty good actually
@@leonzaduncan2438 - Too bad you were in the minority.
@@juicyfartsofjimcornette1154 if I remember correctly most wrestling review shows thought it was good.
In ring product was good but apparently it was a loss for them
I am a woman and I don't like to see women bleed for no reason in a match. I think some of the best matches with women that were emotional that did have blood are few and far between - I'll give you one Lita vs Trish Stratus in 04 (I can't remember the PPV) - Trish got busted open accidentally but it was a blood fued between them where Trish had mocked Lita for losing her baby in storyline ( a silly baby storyline but the feud between the two worked). This led to Trish breaking her nose in kayfabe and wearing a mask, and she bled and really got beat up and was such a hated heel that the crowd booed and cheered Lita and booed the refs for breaking it up. This later leads to the first women's main event on RAW between Lita and Trish where Lita goes over for the title, a great match.
The gratuitous nonsense that I see AEW doing looks awful, and there doesn't appear to be a reason for it.
It's not just womens wrestling but wrestling in general.
Stardom is decent. The women there can work. People who watch it want to watch it. Great characters. Some of it is a bit odd for me as a western man, but it is good. Guilia has it all, character, presence, promo, decent in the ring, helps others succeed, granted sometimes she no sales - usually a story behind it.
It works with Giulia because she comes off as a professional and not a self mark.
She doesn't pander for cheers when she's a heel.
@@getschwifty9531 She has the makings of a star.
And yeah, I also know promotions like Prominence has an established women's deathmatch side of things, but AEW really need to understand that's a niche (Japanese wrestling) within a niche (women's Japanese wrestling) within a niche (Japanese female deathmatch wrestling) and they can't cater to that super specific niche in a mainstream environment
Guess as an avid watcher of MMA, seeing bleeding women isn't so shocking? Women in MMA have had cuts, splits, breaks, hematomas etc
However, I guess there's an emotional difference between a controlled fighting environment and what appears to be pure savagery in AEW.
There's a big difference in combat blood and this...egregious amount of gigging
I thought about this as well. Like what do MMA fans think when they see the women fight...
@@mjcastro82 There are some that go to the bathroom or kitchen or turn the channel.
When is Paige fighting for the trios belt? She seems really talented in that division.
They need to hire Brad Maddox as her partner. The third guy can just be random
@@jesusleyva4386 gotta get Xavier Woods in that joint too
@@deft__12 jay lethal can play the Xavier woods role since they use to be tag partners
@@jesusleyva4386 She will team up with anyone. No need to hire Brad Maddox or Xavier Woods. Paige is willing to team up with anyone. With anyone that wants her.
That was on a wcw nitro when Brian Pillman was doing that loose canon gimmick. Pillman grabbed bobby Heenan from behind by his neck and Bobby screamed wtf are you doing. Lol it was funny.
I can't understand why guys getting color in every match is just annoying while women getting color in a match here or there has to be responding with "this is pornography." I'd rather have this than bra and panty matches every week.
Freak
Brian Last is spot-on as always
Or even, like, 1 program dedicated solely to the women in the company, and do a crossover from time to time during certain angles
It always works, and I thought Women of Honor was done really well
It made women's wrestling something special
It's getting to a point again where that becomes the bathroom break segment of every show
trying to say there's a difference between the men bleeding and the women bleeding is insane.
Brian is missing one important point. There isn’t a demand for almost ANY of the shit these two companies put forth, not just the women.
Don’t have a real problem with blood under better circumstances.
Trish and Lita back in the day for the women’s title: fine, a little bit of blood is fine even by accident.
If one of the ladies get this imaginary restraining order lifted, Bianca and Rhea in a blood feud, no pun intended: perfect, no problem.
Instead, it’s random women in random matches with no stakes, no heat, no investment from the fans, and the blood is too excessive on one person for the defense of it not being intentional or planned.
I get that the women want to create their own legendary blood feuds but the blood and the crazy spots are being wasted on matches that no one will remember in a month. That stuff is meant to compliment great wrestling not supplement a general lack of talent.
If Alice Cooper watched the AEW women, would he ask, "Why do women bleed?"
Problem is that these guys are blaming the women for the fact that wrestling is dead as fuck. No one pays attention to wrestling any more, because it's not a big deal. Even if you got rid of women's wrestling and reduced all the girls to eye-candy valets or brought back the Moolah traveling troupe model where there'smaybe one match a month, wrestling is still dead.
And honestly, that Ruby Soho match doesn't become any less revolting if it's men doing it.
calm down simp
Yes it does. Steve Austin bled like that and became the most over wrestler in history outside of Rock and Hulk Hogan.
@@wilcee238 Which had more to do with his personality and work than bleeding nowhere hear as bad as this.
Lord knows if crimson masks alone got people over, Moxley would be the biggest star ever.
@@jesuszamora6949 Will Cee is right the crimson mask put him over the top and was a factor
@@pleaseshutup7053 A factor, but not THE factor. No one would have cared if it were, say, a random match between Bret and Marty Janetty.
And that's the core issue. Blood without a build-up, without a story, it's just CZW horse shit that the business can do without.
Mysteriously enough, straight men (aka most of the audience) would prefer women wrestlers to look like Carrie Bradshaw from “Sex In The City” than Carrie from “Carrie”. Ted Turner wouldn’t show this, but Ike Turner would.
I was more a sucker for Megumi Kudo, but I guess...
Demand is a tricky thing to ascertain. And I agree that I can't recall, before we started getting consistently good or great women's wrestling here in the US, ever asking for it. But now that we do have it, I'm glad it's here.
I agree it shouldn't be 50/50 between men's & women's matches just because. But there are absolutely women in both companies that I'd rather see on any given night than certain men on the roster. There have been times when the best match or only match worth seeing was a women's match. Asuka has been my favorite wrestler since she debuted in NXT, and there are few people I'm as excited to see these days. Gunther/Walter & Imperium, Sami Zayn, and then it trends down from there. If I ever travel to Japan, though I wouldn't mind attending an NJPW show, my biggest priority would be attending a Stardom show. Because I enjoy their shows way more than NJPW most of the time. So, I guess the real trick is like Jim said, better evaluating who should & shouldn't get time between men & women.
Using Raw XXX as an example, the only things that I cared about on that show were the trial, the Raw tag title match, and the cage match. Everything that came after that was bleh and worthless to me, mush as I like some of the people who were featured throughout. And it sucks we didn't get the cage match. If I'd been there in person, I'd have left as soon as I realized the cage match wasn't happening. But that's just me.
Will be interesting to see how things progress. But absolutely, WWE has more women worth watching than AEW right now. And blood for the sake of it is worthless. The match referenced was bad on multiple levels. Sadly, I feel like we're still heading towards a women's blood & guts match. I thought both the men's matches sucked, so I don't have any hope a women's match would be any better.
The women don't seem as driven to prove themselves as they did when Charlotte and the rest were coming up. They need a back stage culture of wanting to constantly outperform each other and prove themselves
Brian is also my whisperer.
My honest opinion is the best female wrestlers in America work at a pace that's naturally expected of the average male wrestler. That's fine, women's wrestling WAS always a special attraction, and the problem is when you hire about 40 women and so many of them suck. And the talented ones have to water themselves down to work with that.
Imagine Roman Reigns having to work with Jessie Godderz week in and week out. Ludicrous.
You can't run an all-woman promotion for the exact reason you mention though - there isn't an audience for it. WWE did an all-woman PPV a few years ago, and it was their lowest-selling PPV of all time.
You can make stars out of the women in a company like WWE. There just isn't enough women for both promotions to justify having full women's rosters.
WWE put that show on for political reasons because the women weren't on the first Crown Jewel. It was never meant to do well.
They tried with WOW. Which turned out to GLOW 3.0
@@jesuszamora6949 Of course it was supposed to do well. Even if you're only doing it to appease your women's division, you still want to sell tickets.
Man lol it was a special on the network, so of course it's not gonna do a lot of ppv buys
@@jmwvirgil Also, lowest selling PPV? It was on the network.
I don't care about blood in matches male or female. Just don't overdo it.
Not much of that in WWE recently. The only exception is Bianca getting busted up in her chin while having to sell for someone less than half her size who puts as much effort and excitement into her TV time as a person would for a root canal.
Watching women's wrestling is like watching a gymnastics routine at the Olympics except the Olympians don't look like the memorized a script.
You can remove the word "women's", and that applies to more than 80% of modern wrestling.
How many times has Britt broken her nose since she accused Rosa of sandbagging??
The same Rosa that kept Britt and her beak relatively safe during a furniture match and all their other matches.
Britt just busted he nose last night vs an 18 yr old high school wrestler! 😂
@deyampert3738 that 18 year old looked more convincing too lol smh that's pathetic.
Brian keeps saying nobody wants to state the obvious about the AEW Women's division, but having Britt Baker as its cornerstone might be one reason it has not grown much.
if you separate the twitter fanbase, you'll see barely any fans gives 2 shxts about women's wrestling. WWE is lucky to have actually female stars to tune in to...AEW have potential but really no draws in their women's division
The only content Saraya ever had that was worth a damn was leaked by someone else.
sad but true
"Alright let's turn the show over to the midgets" the way Brian said that made it to funny 😂
I want midget wrestling back
Neckbeard marks want to see this...and that, unfortunately makes up the largest portion of the AEW fan base, and when the owner/booker is a neckbeard mark too, then this is what we get
I gotta disagree. The idea that nobody cares about violent women's matches is silly. The entire reason Becky Lynch and Britt Baker are over is because they got busted open. The fans would still be indifferent to them.
Only a small portion of what Corny was talking about, but MAN Ricky Banderas was such a missed opportunity in the US. If only he’d discovered his Mil Muertes gimmick 15 plus years ago. He could’ve drawn serious money with Taker for multiple years, and to a lesser extent Kane and later Bray Wyatt. But ESPECIALLY Taker back when Taker still had his legs and could work more than once a year. Even though he’s only about 6’0-6’1, he looks so much bigger. He’s even more jacked than Cena was at his peak. And the gimmick and his look and the total package was just a million dollar act… especially if Taker pushed for him. Today we can only dream about what might’ve been 😫
I think Porn Hub may be talking about blood from other regions than their forehead are a no no specifically , but yeah only in wrestling can someone blade and it be acceptable on ANY platform not called the Dark Net . But whats the difference between a guy or a girl doing it in a wrestling scenario ? I think its fine . I dont "get off " on it when the women do it . Just the same as i dont when men get color . Most fans like some blood in their wrestling when called for wouldnt you think ? I dont see the difference .
I’d rather listen to Cornette talk for 6 hours about a Misty Blue-Kat Leroux match from 1986 than this backyard horse sh*t.
Yeah, I must admit for me and people around me will go to the bathroom on a women's match, or a Bray Wyatt segment.
There should not be blood unless there is a cage or a chair angle. It has to be logical. I know there are some harways but blood should be rare.
Not for bloody matches at all. But, if someone gets hit with a chair or something, they might get cut...so there might be blood. So what's the big deal? What's wrong with having more than one females' match? Why can't men and women be on the same show? Why would women have to have their own promotion? RAW is 3hrs, let there be a couple of womens' matches.
You know what? I kinda feel for the women wrestlers right now. Most of them want to be looked at as competitors, but most of the fans only like them for their looks. Liv Morgan is going viral for smacking her ass, Mandy Rose made a fortune on her fansite, and even Rhea Ripley is leaning into her whole 'muscle mommy' persona. I understand Brian's point here, but the alternative would be a return to the diva's era, IMO.
During the Attitude Era, the women's division was over for the most part. Those girls could wrestle, they simply weren't given the opportunity. Jazz, Molly Holly, Ivory, Lita, Chyna could all work with anyone safely. Lita and Trish's Raw Main Event title match proved that the girls could carry the spot well.
The Divas era was abysmal and WWE learned the lesson the hard way.
@@stevegyles3190 The Divas Era was garbage. It's what the AEW women's division is. They are a joke. Just like the Divas were for WWE. Like you say WWE and Vince learned the hard way. That is why Vince changed the women's division. The AEW women's division is like the Divas division of AEW. It doesn't matter how much blood they spill they are Divas. Cause Tony books them like that. I have said this. Tony doesn't like women's wrestling. Cause he doesn't care about it. Even Ruby Soho said that when Tony hired her. She never talked to him.
AEW should just turn Rampage into the Women's show and keep Dynamite as the mens.
Damn facts!!! After the Brit Baker crimson mask I felt TONY..(thinking of his wallet again) would try an repeat it! Nah.. not buying! Jade vs Brit is what the ppl want..Not bloody women..
I was watching a Bra and panties stacey vs Trish match yesterday (wasn’t me searching but the algorithm) it was very entertaining the only problem it was too short. We need more matches like that.
So it's OK for male wrestlers to bleed in matches, but not the women. I agree that they shouldn't have a separate company for females. That's called segregation
There’s so much it is making Pricilla Kelly’s tampon spot look tame
WWE does blood right in the hard way sense. It happens so rarely that it means something. Blood in AEW doesn't mean a thing.
No, they use fake blood capsules like the movies.
They don't play the WNBA games during NBA games, two different audiences. Wrestling is the same.
What are you talking about there is only one basketball audience. The NBA. No one watched the WNBA...lol
AEW freaky nerd fan base are the ones wanking it to the women BDSM blood. Subconscious hatred towards women for turning them down all those years.😂😂
@@thunderkitty73 right 🤣🤣
While i see what you’re saying, i dont think thats a fair analogy
I wish all these women SCREAMING FOR WOMEN WRESTLING WOULD WATCH IT THAN!! But no one does that
I do not care for hardcore wrestling to begin with. I would not want to watch a show dedicated to it. If there was a hardcore match once in a while I would not mind so much if done right. Same thing with bleeding. It should be saved for important times. Women bleeding? I would really rather not see that at all, but if it was to happen like once or twice a year in a very thoughtful way in very animated feuds at ppv... Honestly more concerning to me is I don't want to see someone get paralyzed or die on tv because flipping through tables seems cool. What the hell is going to happen when some 100 pound girl who looks like someones little sister or daughter snaps their spinal chord?
I remember the Road Warriors spiking Dusty in the forehead...Now that was alot of blood. Or when Devon got scraped across his forehead by an Award Plaque.
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@@k.konczak3291 I don't own a keyboard...should buy one? Maybe I'd be cooler? Maybe you'd like me then!? 😃no wait...MAYBE Cornhole will like me too!?! Yes!! That's it!! I need a keyboard...thank you so much...!!
The internet fans eat it up but fans who go to shows or watch on TV don't, outside of WWE it just feels forced unless its a all womens show.
I’m guilty of thinking WWE should allow their women to bleed in some hardcore matches, ladder matches, HIAC, Cage matches, etc. But I was only in favor of it if they did less of the crazier spots.
There is nothing wrong with blood in womens matches. The issue is the need for it. Why is someone bleeding? Is it the culmination of a heated brutal angle like Rosa and Baker? Ok do it. Is it a random tag match with Ruby Nobody and Tay Conti? No thank you. Blood should never be used unless it means something. People like Moxley have no idea how to use color, and it rubs off on the impressionable wrestlers who look up to him.
“Pornhub wouldn’t touch it with a 40 ft Peter North Pole” is a great line
Future, can women bleed on Fight Forever...?
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I mean theres always been a little blood, at least once a month I bet..
Jim looks like Leyla Hursh here! 😂
AEW Women's Wresting and the desire to ECW it...what happens when you really don't have talent - try to dazzle 'em with extras.
6:10 oddly enough this was a thing in 98. Max Mini. Mini Vader. Etc. I think they had a match at WM 14 too
Bad women's wrestlers get on TV more than bad men's wrestlers very well-spoken Brian
This should be the only take away.
Good, bad, I don't want to see them. End it!
It's not true. So many shite men are on AEW TV, it's just easier to group the women.
I think there's some truth to what Brian said. Perhaps it's time to make pre-shows more like actual pre-shows. But not just for the women.
Put anyone that has some potential (but isn't main event material yet) on a different show with a bunch of midcarders.
Make those shows 1) more competition based, 2) free to watch on UA-cam.
Have 4 or 5 matches on each of those shows and make it clear that each match has value (much like winning matches in a regular season of basketball, American football, football (soccer) has. --> you score points and climb up the rankings).
Then have the top 3 wrestlers in your (scripted) rankings appear on your main show every 3 weeks (which is not free to watch but brought to you exclusively by...... > name of TV or streaming service< ).
There give them angles and big promos.
This way you encourage all your guys 'n gals to put up great competitive matches at the pre-show because they then get a shot at the main show later. It also gives you the option to rotate talent. Because week 1 'Savage Steph' pinned 'Burly Britta'. But this week there's a match between 'Salacious Sally' and 'Jigsaw Jenny'. Which means the people who liked the match from the first week will want to see how well their favorite from that match does two weeks later.
It also cleans up the card for your main shows so you only have to feature the best stuff. And you'd only need about 1,5 to 2 hours. Making everything more palatable and easy to watch. The hardcore fans can watch both the youtube preliminaries and the main shows. And your main shows still look tight.
I know it's old fashioned. But I would like it that way.
Ron did an INCREDIBLE JOB!!!
Thank you so much :D
I like Hikaru Shida a lot... but Corny and Brian are a little too harsh on women, I like watching women's wrestling. I don't like bad women's wrestling but I don't like bad men's wrestling either and Miz and Orange Cassidy are on TV most weeks.
I just want to let everyone that likes Women's Wrestling know that there is a wonderful promotion down here in Texas that is Run by Women, and headed by Thunder Rosa called Mission Pro Wrestling.
Women's wrestling has come a long way, but I think the promotions are trying to make up for lost time, so they're trying to rush the evolution of the divisions.
The problem is, 5, 10, 15 years from now the novelty will have worn off. Billing things as the "first women's _________" draws people in, because it's the first ever. Well, when it's not first anymore, will fans still watch? If the marketing always revolves around it being "first", it dies off when it's not first anymore.
So, the product has to be able to stand on it's own.
Even Charlotte and Becky and Bianca matches/promos are all overexposed bathroom break, beer run borefest.
Charlotte does get boring with her promos sometimes, Bianca is always boring but I genuinely like Becky. At least during that "The Man" face run. She's good.
But I don't want to see that manly dominatrix Rhea Ripley wrestling Dick Togo's son on Raw. That was ridiculous. 😂
Well we’re not used to seeing women bleed in wrestling, WWE, WCW or TNA never did it, I don’t think even ECW did it. Or if they did it would be very tiny amount.
The only times I remember blood on a women was Lita in the match between Edge and Mick Foley at Mania 22, there is a moment where you could see Lita on the ground checking her chin and lip that looked to have a tiny amount of blood.
And Mickie James during that amazing stalker story with Trish where Mickie got a tiny amount of blood on her face and kissed Trish while she was on laid out on the mat.
So those are the only times I remember seeing blood on a women in wrestling and it was just a tiny amount.
Akira Hokuto vs. Shinobu Kandori.
Womens wrestling needs to stop trying to be mens wrestling. No more table spots, no more barbed wire nonsense. Make it more athletic, more technical, more cerebral...technique over brutality. Clever finishes, not just who gets hit with the most devastating assault. Drama and heart, not violence is the way forward.
There was a time when the Joshi's could pull it off, but...well, "was" being the operative word.
There's more blood in women's wrestling matches than the typical horror film. It's ridiculous and it never makes sense.
The Porn Hub thing is an old standard with pornography/sexual content as it concerns violence. Anything deemed too violent mixed with sexual content is almost instantly banned in most countries which is why the line between specific kinks and regular porn is well established. As for the blood in the women's matches, it seems they are both trying to keep up with what the men are doing, which, a lot of the time, is equally stupid and dangerous lately. Or they are going for the hardcore slasher film audience where bloody women are a staple.