Great job! Nice loppers. Why did the farmer want the ones done with the butts of horns? Were they heifers he wants to keep for cows? Even at that l can't see thd reason behind it. We're probably not as particular here in Ireland! 😁
Although these are yearlings the farmer has had experience of them getting surprisingly bigger so yes for potential cows and also maybe English buyers are a bit more exacting 🧐 Always a good question to ask though.
I love your video . Very informative. Where Iam in South Africa wire cutter is advisable . However I prefer the big tool you use throughout this video.may you please assist me with information on how I can get it. I will really appreciate it. Some of my cattle have really big horns . Looking forward to your response
Another great video! Thanks again. I wonder if you used a steel bucket and fill it with sand or gravel and poke/stand your irons into it, would that solve the melting problem???
@@farmvetfilms Please do! The sand might melt, but only at a couple of thousand degrees Celcius, so I reckon you're safe enough! Keep up the good vetting and videoing!
Good video again. If you had a metal box or a bucket to put them in until they cool down. Is it much more painful for the animsl to be dethroned at that age than with a debudder at a young age?
I seem to be the only person on the internet who didn’t think of a metal bucket 🤦♂️ I’ll have to give it a try. Dethroned or dehorned?👑😅 You’re quite right they could be disbudded as small calves. In some cases calves are either born outside or turned out very quickly and the horns aren’t obvious and/or lack of safe convenient handling facilities precludes that. It makes no difference at the time as the area is numbed regardless but you could argue that the burned/traumatised area is greater once that wears off. Any calf I dehorn now gets an anti-inflammatory drug to provide longer lasting pain relief 💉 Good question!
My pop was not a vet he was a very old school farmer that did all of his castration and dethroning himself he had a 2gal galvanized bucket with dry sand in the back of his old farm truck for branding irons and horn irons when they were to hot to touch hope this helps
On cooling the cauterizing irons, I’ve seen the irons placed on a metal rack or stand, and a fan directing a cooling breeze to the hot tips usually results in cool to the touch tips after a few minutes. Other cleanup and post-op tasks could be done while the irons cool. A side question: how does the dehorning/disbudding process compare when done to goats and sheep? Thank you.
That’s another great idea Harry. I’ve never disbudded a sheep although for goats it is very different. Disbudding should be done a lot earlier (within the first week of life) as the horn buds are much bigger. We tend to knock them out as they are too sensitive to local anaesthetic to use that alone. Dehorning an adult goat isn’t something I’ve done and as I understand is not for the faint hearted 😬
Sounds like a potential learning experience. It would be interesting to hear from your fellow vets on their experiences. By the way, is Kaz short for Kazimir? Being nosy, sorry.
Good question - the burning of the horn base should kill off the horn-producing tissue. Disbudding as small calves definitely an option on lots of farms. Here, as in lots of cases calves are either born outside or turned out very quickly and the horns aren’t obvious and/or lack of safe convenient handling facilities precludes that. No difference at the time in terms of pain as the area is numbed regardless and any calf I dehorn now gets an anti-inflammatory drug to provide longer lasting pain relief and prevent a growth check. Decent handling facilities make a huge difference as well at this age.
These cattle were debudded as calves, but not deep enough to cut off the blood flow, which results in these harmless butt horns, this process does not cut off the blood flow either so another butt will appear in time, making todays ordeal pointless.
Hello .I'm from north west germany and i would you speak out a compliment for showing this Video. At first a question to you .: What cost your great horn-pliers in new condition ? Take off the Horn is a heat ,tricky theme in Population . Especially in germany ! I think .there is now german vet doc .who show this theme in UA-cam. We have an 223 acre farm with only grassland and pasture . We have 90succler cows of the race East-frisian and Limousin . Since 4 years let we the cows cover by a Limousin mating bull . The cows are 6month on pasture . In Winter time in freestyle barn . When cows calved on the pasture it s a problem to treat the horn by the calf . In Winter in barn too . Than we let grow the horn by the calves during the succler time and any time along . But the day cames .that the cattle torment each other . And then must the horn be take off . I buyed this year a cable shears from the german company : Klauke . Its runned like a accu wrench . It has max 90 millimeter wide open . Our vet doc has the great horn-pliers like yours . But that thing is worn-out . That is no nice work with an old pliers . Sorry .i must some words translated from german in english . I am learn 10 years general education school of which were 6 years english classes . We learn Oxford english no American with there own slang ! Best greetings from Bert !
Thanks Bert - I got most of that I think 🧐 Same problem for many of our producers: there is no convenient and safe means of disbudding while out on pasture. Those shears can be bought new but they are expensive: about £600 I believe. If you search online for ‘Barnes dehorners’ you will come across something similar that is much more friendly on the €€€. I hope that helps!
@@farmvetfilms Thank you for the feed back an answer. I would only know .what the great shear cost . I tell you yesterday .that i bought in march an electricity cable-shear from a industry company . Best greetings from Bert from north west germany ! and always right hand by your work . God bless you .
I’m the vet Charlie - not made my millions yet to pour into an expensive hobby like cows 😅 Some people asking the same question - it all depends on the farm setup. Some of our clients will disbud, others dehorn at this later stage, and plenty just use a polled bull. It all comes down to what’s safe and practical IMHO - see some of the other comments - and in any case the calves receive both local anaesthetic and an NSAID to keep them comfortable!
@@farmvetfilms that was the basic gist 😂 so in your opinion for fresh shearing nicks I’d be better using the aluminium spray as in theory small cuts freshly done and clean wouldn’t need the antibiotic.
No - we use local anaesthetic to perform what’s called a ‘nerve block’ which numbs the area for a few hours! I’ll try and get a better video of the technique for a future video...
@@farmvetfilms Ok Thanks. I just saw a video before yours of a farmer who did a similar technique but with none of that or anything to stop the bleeding.
Everyone considers me mad when I try to cauterise with a burner here - they routinely just let them run from the crush spurting, with no concerns. Seemingly do very well - I'm a convert now...
What is the actual point of putting an adult animal through that for a 1 inch butt of a horn, Absolutely ridiculous , they will be hanging off a hook in 6 months, farmer must have money to burn. As for your irons, Stick them in a bucket of sand, seems an obvious solution.
They’re yearlings so either a) there’s another year or so before they head for slaughter, and b) another year or two before they reach adult size as female replacements. In that time there’s a good chance the horns will get significantly bigger. Apologies for not making that clearer, I appreciate not everyone feels the same about horns/dehorning.
@@farmvetfilms No need to apologise, But apart from the first one skulled the rest were all dehorned as calves but the the full bud was not removed, leaving these butts to grow, They might grow another inch in a year, But never enough to be considered a danger, These stubbs will most likely grow back as the blood flow continues, rendering the operation pointless. Anyway you got payed 😀and i am going to check out your other videos, best of luck.
To cool the sticks, you may use a bucket and fill them with sand and put the sticks inside of it. That may help you to carry them easily.
1000 subs!!! Great thumbnail and Vlog Kaz! You’re great at what you do! (Fantastic handling system too)!
Certified mogul 😎
I must admire your work, great to see u use anaesthetic. It drives me mad when farmers don’t I couldn’t do them without it
Illegal in this country in most cases!
Can farmers buy anaesthetic to do this themselves?@@farmvetfilms
Great job! Nice loppers. Why did the farmer want the ones done with the butts of horns? Were they heifers he wants to keep for cows? Even at that l can't see thd reason behind it. We're probably not as particular here in Ireland! 😁
Although these are yearlings the farmer has had experience of them getting surprisingly bigger so yes for potential cows and also maybe English buyers are a bit more exacting 🧐 Always a good question to ask though.
Good job kaz as always. Great setup for the job in hand. It’s important to have a good when handling especially if they are a bit boisterous
Cheers again Paddy. You’re right - it makes for much less of a rodeo!
What about a metal tool box with an inner metal stand to hold them still and off of the bottom of the box. From Iowa USA.
That’s much better - even just a metal bucket so long as it didn’t fall down. I’ll let you know how I get on...
Great video as usual, I’m sure fendt do even more expensive hurdles 😂
Possibilities are endless!
@@farmvetfilms oh yes! Well done on the 1000 subs as well 👍
What are the reasons one would dehorn at an older age vs. disbud a younger animal? Just a curious non-farmer in the US...
Good reasons for both. In this case lack of facilities at pasture and calves aren’t housed, so not easily or safely done until they housed.
@@farmvetfilms Very informative, thanks!
I love your video . Very informative. Where Iam in South Africa wire cutter is advisable . However I prefer the big tool you use throughout this video.may you please assist me with information on how I can get it. I will really appreciate it. Some of my cattle have really big horns . Looking forward to your response
Hi Lissie, these are a practice heirloom - I would try online or your local agri merchants!
Another great video! Thanks again. I wonder if you used a steel bucket and fill it with sand or gravel and poke/stand your irons into it, would that solve the melting problem???
Now, would sand melt? 🧐 I’m going to have to try out some of these ideas so I’ll let you know how I get on.
@@farmvetfilms Please do! The sand might melt, but only at a couple of thousand degrees Celcius, so I reckon you're safe enough! Keep up the good vetting and videoing!
Can’t quite believe they get the vet out to dehorn cattle. I used to go round dehorning cattle of all sizes and ages
Plenty of people do! It must be my good looks that clinch it 😎
Exactly, Farmer should be embarrassed getting a vet out for this nonsense.
No bad thing getting vet out once in a while, latest drugs and methods, always more to learn
I have a guillotine that I rarely use because horns are inclined to regrow the idea of sealing it with a hot iron might put paid to that
Tidy Job 👍
Good video again. If you had a metal box or a bucket to put them in until they cool down. Is it much more painful for the animsl to be dethroned at that age than with a debudder at a young age?
I seem to be the only person on the internet who didn’t think of a metal bucket 🤦♂️ I’ll have to give it a try.
Dethroned or dehorned?👑😅 You’re quite right they could be disbudded as small calves. In some cases calves are either born outside or turned out very quickly and the horns aren’t obvious and/or lack of safe convenient handling facilities precludes that. It makes no difference at the time as the area is numbed regardless but you could argue that the burned/traumatised area is greater once that wears off. Any calf I dehorn now gets an anti-inflammatory drug to provide longer lasting pain relief 💉 Good question!
i had the experience of dehorning in the rain when i was a vet student, it wasn't that cool hahaha cheers from Brasil!
Skin is waterproof!
My pop was not a vet he was a very old school farmer that did all of his castration and dethroning himself he had a 2gal galvanized bucket with dry sand in the back of his old farm truck for branding irons and horn irons when they were to hot to touch hope this helps
That seems to be the most popular suggestion, thanks!
On cooling the cauterizing irons, I’ve seen the irons placed on a metal rack or stand, and a fan directing a cooling breeze to the hot tips usually results in cool to the touch tips after a few minutes. Other cleanup and post-op tasks could be done while the irons cool. A side question: how does the dehorning/disbudding process compare when done to goats and sheep? Thank you.
That’s another great idea Harry.
I’ve never disbudded a sheep although for goats it is very different. Disbudding should be done a lot earlier (within the first week of life) as the horn buds are much bigger. We tend to knock them out as they are too sensitive to local anaesthetic to use that alone. Dehorning an adult goat isn’t something I’ve done and as I understand is not for the faint hearted 😬
Sounds like a potential learning experience. It would be interesting to hear from your fellow vets on their experiences. By the way, is Kaz short for Kazimir? Being nosy, sorry.
@@hsaurid not far off 😎
Top video again👍👌
Cheers Tony 🙌
We put them in sand and works perfectly
This sounds like the one Owen!
Will the horns grow back?. Arent it easier to debud them when the cattle are calves.
Good question - the burning of the horn base should kill off the horn-producing tissue.
Disbudding as small calves definitely an option on lots of farms. Here, as in lots of cases calves are either born outside or turned out very quickly and the horns aren’t obvious and/or lack of safe convenient handling facilities precludes that.
No difference at the time in terms of pain as the area is numbed regardless and any calf I dehorn now gets an anti-inflammatory drug to provide longer lasting pain relief and prevent a growth check. Decent handling facilities make a huge difference as well at this age.
Thank you for replying. 😀
These cattle were debudded as calves, but not deep enough to cut off the blood flow, which results in these harmless butt horns, this process does not cut off the blood flow either so another butt will appear in time, making todays ordeal pointless.
put sand in the bucket first, seat them in the sand to cool down or transport. sand is an excellent insulator.
That's an excellent suggestion and exactly what I've started doing!
Hi,
I'm a big fan of yours video if you dont mind may, i know your name? You are Dr......? Thanks
Thanks! I don’t use ‘Dr’ just because it’s not as common in the UK.
How do you spell aluminium?
Hello .I'm from north west germany and i would you speak out a compliment for showing this Video.
At first a question to you .:
What cost your great horn-pliers in new condition ?
Take off the Horn is a heat ,tricky theme in Population . Especially in germany !
I think .there is now german vet doc .who show this theme in UA-cam.
We have an 223 acre farm with only grassland and pasture .
We have 90succler cows of the race
East-frisian and Limousin .
Since 4 years let we the cows cover by a Limousin mating bull .
The cows are 6month on pasture .
In Winter time in freestyle barn .
When cows calved on the pasture it s a problem to treat the horn by the calf .
In Winter in barn too .
Than we let grow the horn by the calves during the succler time and any time along .
But the day cames .that the cattle torment each other .
And then must the horn be take off .
I buyed this year a cable shears from the german company : Klauke .
Its runned like a accu wrench .
It has max 90 millimeter wide open .
Our vet doc has the great horn-pliers like yours .
But that thing is worn-out .
That is no nice work with an old pliers .
Sorry .i must some words translated from german in english .
I am learn 10 years general education school of which were 6 years english classes .
We learn Oxford english no American with there own slang !
Best greetings from Bert !
Thanks Bert - I got most of that I think 🧐
Same problem for many of our producers: there is no convenient and safe means of disbudding while out on pasture.
Those shears can be bought new but they are expensive: about £600 I believe. If you search online for ‘Barnes dehorners’ you will come across something similar that is much more friendly on the €€€. I hope that helps!
@@farmvetfilms
Thank you for the feed back an answer.
I would only know .what the great shear cost .
I tell you yesterday .that i bought in march an electricity cable-shear from a industry company .
Best greetings from Bert from north west germany !
and always right hand by your work .
God bless you .
I'm an American and I wish cattle were legally required to be numbed. Well on you and your country to give these animals that care.
Like everywhere, it takes time for attitudes to change, and then an age for legislation to move with them!
I don’t know if there your cattle but do you not do disbudding
I’m the vet Charlie - not made my millions yet to pour into an expensive hobby like cows 😅
Some people asking the same question - it all depends on the farm setup. Some of our clients will disbud, others dehorn at this later stage, and plenty just use a polled bull. It all comes down to what’s safe and practical IMHO - see some of the other comments - and in any case the calves receive both local anaesthetic and an NSAID to keep them comfortable!
Quick question the aluminium spray what does it actually do as anything like this we you Terramycin?
Pardon? 😅 I got the first half but not the second.
The aluminium spray forms a good seal over the wound but doesn’t contain any antibiotics.
@@farmvetfilms that was the basic gist 😂 so in your opinion for fresh shearing nicks I’d be better using the aluminium spray as in theory small cuts freshly done and clean wouldn’t need the antibiotic.
@@steverichardson7263 we do dispense it for fresh clean wounds just like that - best ask your vet though!
Where can I buy those dehorners?
These are ancient but if you google it, Viovet come up first!
Do the cows feel pain or no?
No - we use local anaesthetic to perform what’s called a ‘nerve block’ which numbs the area for a few hours! I’ll try and get a better video of the technique for a future video...
@@farmvetfilms Ok Thanks. I just saw a video before yours of a farmer who did a similar technique but with none of that or anything to stop the bleeding.
@@mikeseabrooks7978 the local anaesthetic is a legal requirement in the UK 🙂.
@@farmvetfilms unfortunately its not in america.
Why cut off its horns?
An important question - mainly to protect other cattle in the herd and the herdsmen.
I seen vets use rubber bands to stop bleeding as well
Yes you’re right - twine as well when short!
Everyone considers me mad when I try to cauterise with a burner here - they routinely just let them run from the crush spurting, with no concerns. Seemingly do very well - I'm a convert now...
Kiwi attitude 😅 Probably fine but would raise a few eyebrows back here.
@@farmvetfilms aye!
#quadstatecameras
I bet that heat on there smells good. Like a steak.
I knew I shouldn’t have watched this whilst eating my lunch 🤢 Great job though!
A bit of gore never hurt anyone! 😋
@@farmvetfilms Very true. Congrats on 1k subs. Great channel!
What is the actual point of putting an adult animal through that for a 1 inch butt of a horn, Absolutely ridiculous , they will be hanging off a hook in 6 months, farmer must have money to burn.
As for your irons, Stick them in a bucket of sand, seems an obvious solution.
They’re yearlings so either a) there’s another year or so before they head for slaughter, and b) another year or two before they reach adult size as female replacements. In that time there’s a good chance the horns will get significantly bigger. Apologies for not making that clearer, I appreciate not everyone feels the same about horns/dehorning.
@@farmvetfilms No need to apologise, But apart from the first one skulled the rest were all dehorned as calves but the the full bud was not removed, leaving these butts to grow, They might grow another inch in a year, But never enough to be considered a danger, These stubbs will most likely grow back as the blood flow continues, rendering the operation pointless.
Anyway you got payed 😀and i am going to check out your other videos, best of luck.
We’ll agree to disagree 😉 enjoy watching.
You are a very cruel man.....
What makes you say that?