It doesn't look like it, but they all went up at the same speed. Some of them lost traction before they got to the logs, which made it look like they went up slower. We did this several times in each vehicle.
@@Xyb3rTeCh The Koleos was the perfect example of poor accelerator pressure, it has nothing to do with their momentum as you hear it come off the power. Disappointing.
@@Drivecomau You should do the same exact test for full size SUV's Jeep Grand Cherokee (equipped with quadra drive), Hyundai Santa-Fe, Kia Sorento, Toyota Kluger, etc
Log climb ability is very much determined by the tyres. Rigidity test should be opening the back gate. With comfortable, low noise, fuel economy tyres, even a jeep wrangler will struggle in the log climb.
Taller suspension does help keep more momentum over big bumps (instead of translating the momentum into up/down body motion), and allows you to hit them faster.
UA-cam Account, But momentum can only carry you that far. If you have no grip, you will slide backward back to the starting point once the momentum is depleted.
UA-cam Account, Personally, I think this can be sum up as a half hearted attempt at best, a lazy review in reality. 1) No attempt to change to a common off-road tyre for a fair comparison. I can understand, it cost a lot, thus half hearted. 2) Not wanting to get their shoe wet and dirty, so instead of opening the back gate to test the rigidity, they open the door instead. Thus lazy.
@@esphilee Yes if you are climbing something uniformly slippery like an ice slope. But climbing over slippery logs/roots/rocks is a matter of smoothly keeping momentum over the slippery bits by picking up momentum in between where there is a little traction. It is a very tough obstacle and if anything the most successful vehicle might be the one whose wheelbase is not matched by the log spacing, just by chance; hitting a lot front and back at the same time is killer, at minimum you'd need enough suspension to suck it up which none of these vehicles has.
Well, I agree with you, Longer suspension is good. But traction is everything. In the test, lowering the tyre pressure helps too. All the vehicles tested have sufficient clearance and likely so with suspension travel since they are SUV. But none has AT tyre at the least. They did not even attempt to lower the tyre pressure. It is like driving the Mercedes F1 car in slick vs William F1 car in Wet tyre on a rainy day. Does not matter how good the Mercedes and Hamilton is, what kind of suspension travel they have, they will not catch up to the William. In fact they would likely crash if they attempt to catch up. If you attempt to compare the capability of the SUV, at least give them the proper tyre. Don’t test your F1 car in slick on a rainy day, and assume the car failed.
The lack of credibility in this video is rife! You did the door test at a different point of the offset track in every car and hit the hill at a different speed in every car, sometimes even backing off in some cars and not others.
@@Gopal_1111-o2s He could have tried to do all the tests at the same speed or RPM... he went super slow and cowed with the Rav4 and quite fast and brazen with the subaru that is why Forester performed the best...
What about the tyre's? Totally unfair, Especially for the log test. And which cars have you tested that's passed the log test anyway ? Atleast that would have been a point of comparison.
I have the Mazda CX5 AWD 2014 2.5 l and in the snow if i have a little trouble to get out I take off the traction control and it is like 4X4 lock system mode . I recommend the CX5 AWD it is the only one that drives like a car instead of a 4X4 truck
Would be interesting to do this test then show us a “real” 4x4 such as a LandCruiser with diff locks etc doing the same tests to show how much difference it really makes.
The Subaru is the only one I'd trust to take me off road - it's the only car with a proper permanent AWD. The rest are FWD based. The symmetrical AWD system in the Subaru is awesome!
Yes. Consumer Reports did a test in snow a few years back, and found the Subaru and Audi AWD systems worked far better than any other manufacturers. And the Subaru is far more reliable after the first few years.
Yeah. If you're actually planning to leave the city the Subaru really is the only option. Better AWD system. The most ground clearance and a standard real spare.
@@Homerlovesbeer2 actually no, not really. The cvt is well matched to the capability of the Forester. It won't get you up some of the tracks in the vic high country bit it will get you most places.
The Mazda CX-5 has a “Trail Mode” but it is labelled “TCS OFF” and is a button by your right knee, Paul. You can query Dave Coleman of Mazda NA about the function (increases braking on a wheel when it’s in the air, allowing more power to the opposite wheel with traction). They are still working on how to convey what it does to the driver with better labelling, etc. Knowing about it could make all the difference when on trails in your compact SUV; so sooner the better!
Really doesn't make sense when they use road tyres for off road applications. It's as though they want to write a review and say something good about the brand but at the same time bring it down on capability. I own a forester and i won't replace it with any other brand.......
@@Xyb3rTeCh If you dont offroad it yes, otherwise you have a great chance of your CVT failing. And also you can hardly start on a loose gravel hill because the VDC and the CVT will cut power.
I've owned two Subarus since 2005, Tribeca and the Outback. I used both vehicles for work as a news cameraman. I live in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. There are a lot of steep hills and never got stuck in the snow. Subaru makes one of the best all-wheel drive vehicles. The full-time all-wheel drive will cost you a little more at the pump, but well worth it.
Tyres are a big part of this job. Road ones get clogged easily and just slip. Even a Landcruiser with any of these tyres would have trouble in these tests I think.
Correct. If your tyres are unsuitable and can’t get traction you can have all the diff locks, suspension and other off road aids, you still won’t go anywhere. They are all wheel driven vehicles after all.
@@rsoul7282 as I said in my previous postt.. You'd not go mountaineering in flip flops (beach shoes) so why would you then use road tyres (which SUV car manufacturers supply to most SUV's) , due to them been cheaper than all terrain tyres.To then go offroading?
Interesting video! It would have been interesting to see a “true” off-roader complete the log test. My guess is that even a “true” off-roader would struggle or even fail the log test.
@@Drivecomau My suggestion would be lining up the SUVs from this comparison which did a better job in the log test, against Land Rover Discovery as a benchmark off-roader.
@@Drivecomau would've liked you to take proper 4x4's such as Land Rover Discovery / Defender and it's rivals equipped with All Terrain tyres. not soft 4x4's with road tyres.. as soon as I saw the log test I knew no way would any of them get up it.. I doubt even a ATV quad bike could get up those logs..
I sure like this test because the vast majority of offroad tests never test the vehicles head to head against an obstacle that some or most of them cannot accomplish. You can't say where the limits are without bumping into them!
just proved that all them aren't true offroaders but I doubt any 4x4 adventurer would look to climb up a hill with muddy logs lol. Especially not in a standard SUV setup for road use lol.
@@edwardvalivonis23 since when will any SUV face a hill with logs in it? Even those who do "greenlaning" would have a problem getting up a bank consisting of logs.. They'd have to use winches even then they'd slide all over.. as the grooves ofthe tyres fill with mud.. making it equal to a slick tyre on a wet road.
Pahahaha the tiguan is on the level of the subaru and the structual problem is caused by the big ass glass roof thats it , watch other offroad tests sometimes the tiguan beats the subaru
Log trail is hard test specially with wet land, it is better if proper tire is stalled.. shame on the most expensive one but weak chassis.. the best i think is Subaru..
There are a few issues with this test. First, when putting all these small suvs on the structural rigidity test, you did not use the same stopping location on all. Many times, a deviation of a couple of centimeters/inches could make a differens in torsion stress. Second, none of these small suvs have propper off-road worthy tires. Even larger suvs (with the possible exception of a few hard-core off-roaders) will have a problem trying to climb the slippery logs on "stock" road tires. Third, momentum and speed are ke6 when off roading and will make or break a successful off road experience. In my opinion, you tried to go up the slippery logs a bit too fast and you did not use the same momentum on all the test vehicles. A sure way to get stuck off roading is going too fast, which you did with all of these. Anyhow, this should serve as a lesson to potential buyers to see where not to take their beloved small suvs. Ha!
Good work! But you should had a wrangler as a benchmark, Also You had to start and perform the test at the same constant speed (as much as possible) You should have increased the number of tests for better ranking (as most of them were Pass/ Pass/Fail) Finally I felt that you were biased to the Forester although it was sliding back at the slippery log! For me the surprising good performance was for Mazda CX5
Would've been nice to see the Jeep Renegade and/or Cherokee in this comparison. I think either in Trailhawk trim probably would've passed all three tests but would also be fun to see a non- Trailhawk edition compete. Excellent simple test setup. No BS straight forward comparison. 👍👍
It would be nice to see which vehicle outside of this set could do the slippery log climb with the same type of tyres as a comparison. otherwise that test doesn't have much value
Discovery Sport is the best by far. I wish Peugeot would make the 3008/5008 AWD, it's so close to being a perfect car except for a couple of let downs. Also, not everyone buys a medium SUV for kids.. plenty of singles and couples buy them for the space and ease of entry/exit, not to mention visibility and comfort for long drives.
Nice review Paul. I liked how the CX-5 and the Forester went through the ruts(offset model). Was surprised that the Tiguan exhibited more chassis flex. I have the previous generation from 2012 and the doors do not close well when parked on uneven terrain offroad. I thought that was going to be addressed with the new generation but obviously VW put their attention elsewhere :-). Besides the obvious that the structure on the Tiguan flexes more than the other cars, anyone cares to comment if there are any implications safety wise considering the Euro NCaps rate the cars similarly for safety? Greetings from South Africa..
I've been to an accident where a Tiguan rolled multiple times at high speed. The accident was severe enough to seperate the engine and gearbox from the car, the debris was strewn over several hundred metres. The car retained its body structure and the occupants survived, just.
Very interesting, but I felt you should have used all the cars with same tyres type and size. Also I think you should have use Rav4 Edge/Adventure instead of the hybrid. Anyway, Subaru rocks !
Most people who buy "true" 4x4's never actually use them so they could actually buy one of these and save themselves a tonne of money. Easier to park, cheaper to run...whats not to like.
I think it's a fair test, regardless of stock road tires, you can still see which tires spins when the vehicle is stuck, and when the other tires starts to engages. Thank you for doing it, glad to see these kind of reviews. Some people are probably just upset that their cars are shown and failed.
Wow, a lot of hurt feelings by reviewers that their cars didn’t perform as expected. The Subaru crowd tends to be whiners in these tests. No, your cvt is not a Wrangler or 4 Runner. He obviously did not put all terrain tires on the vehicle because the premise of the test was an owner wanting to take their road suv off the pavement for a camping or similar trip. You want to show what your suv can do? Load a video. I expect most owners of these suvs realize they are not off-road machines and do not want to put all terrain tires on a vehicle that they use 99% of the time on pavement for work, good road handling and good gas mileage, with .9% off pavement driving and .1% at best on anything that taxes the civilized suv’s capability. This video provides some basic information on how the vehicles handle a discrete set of tasks. It is not without flaws but is beneficial.
feli pascu LOL,,,,obviously you don’t know shitzen about Russia. Next you’ll claim there is meters deep snow down under along with tundra, bogs and mountains miles high.
@@2003evodave i know how to offroad, i have a discovery, and obviously technics, russians don't know anything, they only have money to push vehicles to their limits
It would do them without any probs :) see CarWow tests by Mat Watson and he compared with the G Wagon & Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and I can say that it compared quite good with them for the price you pay its quite a great little offroader :)!
You went very easy on the RAV4. My wife bought a RAV4 two years ago and it is very nice on the streets and highways but I would never trust it on any off roads.
part 3 of your test is not applicable for this kind of suv's , big hill full of mud with street tyres . even proper 4x4 will have very had time in such case .
Yeah... not sure tests are consistent I'm afraid. The AWD we use in our videos would win all these test no worries. That's Holden technology in 2005 beating all 2019 tech.
Totally agree with Adrian. I live in Northern California in the Sierra foothills. By far, the Subaru is way popular here for all the conditions both winter and summer. IMHO, the log test is unrealistic. I have been through the Rubicon three times and none of the Jeeps could make that test either. All of these vehicles would be just fine in the snow. Not surprised about the VW.
@@saauuzza what's a fact? a jeep wrangler is a small SUV, and it would destroy a forester offroad. the 4runner is another medium sized SUV that would destroy it offroad as well. so it's the best option for what exactly? what is the fact here?
@@4nciite yeah I own one and I love mine. and it just had its first issue and it's been on the road for 3 years and 36500 miles now. And had nothing but pluses to say about it!!!
Seems to me Tires are the main issue with road tires slipping on these logs I bet with proper tires these would climb way up there .....no truck with road tires would go up that log climb
Good video but 2 wheels were not off the ground with all cars when you opened the doors. Some had no wheels off ground whilst others had 1 and some looked like they may have ahd 2 wheels off. Should have thrown the new Suzuki Jimny in for good measure!
Testing the RAV4 Edge variant and/or Jeep Cherokee would have been interesting as they both sit in the medium SUV class but have greater off-road capability but I assume they weren’t available. I’m guessing the message is that if you leave normal road tyres on your vehicle then probably reasonable condition dirt roads are all you should attempt. Seems an obvious message but your demonstration reinforces that very well. Cheers
Toyota's AWD is crappy, reliable qualities, but pretty crappy. The RAV4 adventure wouldn't make it up there even with different tires. Plus, the adventure trim is just a hoax, at least here in Canada, there are no major differences between it and the XLE trim, Toyota just gave it a minor lift and a beefed up radiator to tow more than the XLE. Add a little more $, skip the RAV4, and you can get a SR5 4Runner, that's more of a proper body on frame off-roader.
You are super inconsistent with your speed up the logs and through the "mud pit"... think you should have a fixed speed and then go through each obstacle... the mazda out performed the subaru in the mud pit... but you had more speed going up the logs with the subaru than the mazda... and you also went very show with the Hyundai up the logs... and why is there no Ford Kuga/Escape?
It’s impossible to have the exact same speed. We did the tests several times at varying speeds and the results were always the same. As mentioned in the video, Escape wasn’t available for this test.
Congratulations for the nice and brave test. Yes it was subjective test without being exhaustive. Your subjective impressions have seen. I know there are many other perspectives. I enjoyed your effort. Thank you.
What a stupid video, the log test is way beyond any of these vehicles without at least offroad tyres. And the Subaru is the only one that has a true chance. SUV's are not off-roaders full stop. I detect youthful over-ambition. If you want to go offroad, buy a true offroader.
The SUV's in question can do light off roading such as drive along a woodland path to a log cabin or to a lake shore. but nothing too difficult.. They come into their own when driving on the roads when it's heavy rain / heavy snow.. and the 4x4 gives extra traction.. assuming they're on appropriate tyres.
Want to see how they fair on-road? watch this: ua-cam.com/video/JIBf1ui4s2c/v-deo.html
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You should use same momentum with all the cars, you are not constant in your momentum between the different cars!!
It doesn't look like it, but they all went up at the same speed. Some of them lost traction before they got to the logs, which made it look like they went up slower. We did this several times in each vehicle.
Cornraad. If you move at higher speed the car would probably break. Those logs are hard on the wheels and suspension
@@Xyb3rTeCh The Koleos was the perfect example of poor accelerator pressure, it has nothing to do with their momentum as you hear it come off the power.
Disappointing.
@@Drivecomau Fair enough
@@Drivecomau You should do the same exact test for full size SUV's
Jeep Grand Cherokee (equipped with quadra drive), Hyundai Santa-Fe, Kia Sorento, Toyota Kluger, etc
Log climb ability is very much determined by the tyres. Rigidity test should be opening the back gate.
With comfortable, low noise, fuel economy tyres, even a jeep wrangler will struggle in the log climb.
Taller suspension does help keep more momentum over big bumps (instead of translating the momentum into up/down body motion), and allows you to hit them faster.
UA-cam Account,
But momentum can only carry you that far. If you have no grip, you will slide backward back to the starting point once the momentum is depleted.
UA-cam Account,
Personally, I think this can be sum up as a half hearted attempt at best, a lazy review in reality.
1) No attempt to change to a common off-road tyre for a fair comparison. I can understand, it cost a lot, thus half hearted.
2) Not wanting to get their shoe wet and dirty, so instead of opening the back gate to test the rigidity, they open the door instead. Thus lazy.
@@esphilee Yes if you are climbing something uniformly slippery like an ice slope. But climbing over slippery logs/roots/rocks is a matter of smoothly keeping momentum over the slippery bits by picking up momentum in between where there is a little traction. It is a very tough obstacle and if anything the most successful vehicle might be the one whose wheelbase is not matched by the log spacing, just by chance; hitting a lot front and back at the same time is killer, at minimum you'd need enough suspension to suck it up which none of these vehicles has.
Well, I agree with you, Longer suspension is good. But traction is everything. In the test, lowering the tyre pressure helps too.
All the vehicles tested have sufficient clearance and likely so with suspension travel since they are SUV. But none has AT tyre at the least. They did not even attempt to lower the tyre pressure.
It is like driving the Mercedes F1 car in slick vs William F1 car in Wet tyre on a rainy day. Does not matter how good the Mercedes and Hamilton is, what kind of suspension travel they have, they will not catch up to the William.
In fact they would likely crash if they attempt to catch up.
If you attempt to compare the capability of the SUV, at least give them the proper tyre. Don’t test your F1 car in slick on a rainy day, and assume the car failed.
I'd love to see this test done again, but with off-road tyres used instead of the stock road tyres.
I totally agree with you
The lack of credibility in this video is rife! You did the door test at a different point of the offset track in every car and hit the hill at a different speed in every car, sometimes even backing off in some cars and not others.
and he is using STREET TIERS ON MUD
Better use a horse or carabao.. in climbing sleepery Hills.
Indeed.
same there would be no difference, the "suv" have nothing 4x4 are large sedans. Only a fool would buy an "SUV"
@@ikbalkhan7535 even tyres mate :)
mate I wouldn't let you test a light switch.
😂 this is a good one
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This “test” is not consistent.
Because the driver a human not precision like robot or computer
forester is life, the rest is excited. Forester candır , gerisi heyecandır😂
@@Gopal_1111-o2s He could have tried to do all the tests at the same speed or RPM... he went super slow and cowed with the Rav4 and quite fast and brazen with the subaru that is why Forester performed the best...
What about the tyre's? Totally unfair, Especially for the log test. And which cars have you tested that's passed the log test anyway ? Atleast that would have been a point of comparison.
I have the Mazda CX5 AWD 2014 2.5 l and in the snow if i have a little trouble to get out I take off the traction control and it is like 4X4 lock system mode . I recommend the CX5 AWD it is the only one that drives like a car instead of a 4X4 truck
Would be interesting to do this test then show us a “real” 4x4 such as a LandCruiser with diff locks etc doing the same tests to show how much difference it really makes.
I'll take the Subaru Forester out of all these.
Subaru Symmetrical AWD system works like magic.
The Subaru is the only one I'd trust to take me off road - it's the only car with a proper permanent AWD. The rest are FWD based. The symmetrical AWD system in the Subaru is awesome!
Yes. Consumer Reports did a test in snow a few years back, and found the Subaru and Audi AWD systems worked far better than any other manufacturers. And the Subaru is far more reliable after the first few years.
Yeah. If you're actually planning to leave the city the Subaru really is the only option. Better AWD system. The most ground clearance and a standard real spare.
We took our fully loaded Forester over to Fraser Island and it did great!
Well you'd be stuffed in most places with a hill because the CVT transmission really kills off-road performance. It's been well documented.
@@Homerlovesbeer2 actually no, not really. The cvt is well matched to the capability of the Forester. It won't get you up some of the tracks in the vic high country bit it will get you most places.
At the Slippery Log Climbs don't reduce the speed at the beginning of the climb, starting from 0 km/h is very difficult or almost impossible. 11:36
Love these wide range of SUV or any particular type of vehicle for a test. Keep it up, mate! It's freaking awesome!
The Mazda CX-5 has a “Trail Mode” but it is labelled “TCS OFF” and is a button by your right knee, Paul. You can query Dave Coleman of Mazda NA about the function (increases braking on a wheel when it’s in the air, allowing more power to the opposite wheel with traction). They are still working on how to convey what it does to the driver with better labelling, etc. Knowing about it could make all the difference when on trails in your compact SUV; so sooner the better!
Interesting! It did pretty well without - we will have to give it another go.
when Seth McFarlane isn't making Family Guy episodes, he tests out different SUV's
Baaaahahahahahaha
Give that Subaru Forester a grippier offroad tyres like the BFGoodrich AT tyres and you'd be able to conquer that stupid slippery logs.
Really doesn't make sense when they use road tyres for off road applications. It's as though they want to write a review and say something good about the brand but at the same time bring it down on capability. I own a forester and i won't replace it with any other brand.......
@@Iqes007 Subaru is the best and a reliable beast, bro! Subaru is the best! Fuck crappy overrated Toyota and Honda!
@@Xyb3rTeCh Older ones were great. But I am not buying a CVT again!
@@moonsapling Yes CVT sucks overall. But the Subie's version actually ain't that bad
@@Xyb3rTeCh If you dont offroad it yes, otherwise you have a great chance of your CVT failing. And also you can hardly start on a loose gravel hill because the VDC and the CVT will cut power.
i feel dumb after watching this video. wasted my time here.
I would pick Subaru after watchning this video
Yeah use the same speed with all the SUVs when going up the logs!!!
I've owned two Subarus since 2005, Tribeca and the Outback. I used both vehicles for work as a news cameraman. I live in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. There are a lot of steep hills and never got stuck in the snow. Subaru makes one of the best all-wheel drive vehicles. The full-time all-wheel drive will cost you a little more at the pump, but well worth it.
Tyres are a big part of this job. Road ones get clogged easily and just slip. Even a Landcruiser with any of these tyres would have trouble in these tests I think.
Correct. If your tyres are unsuitable and can’t get traction you can have all the diff locks, suspension and other off road aids, you still won’t go anywhere. They are all wheel driven vehicles after all.
@@rsoul7282 as I said in my previous postt.. You'd not go mountaineering in flip flops (beach shoes) so why would you then use road tyres (which SUV car manufacturers supply to most SUV's) , due to them been cheaper than all terrain tyres.To then go offroading?
Sweet comparison! In the USA these vehicles are called small crossovers.
Interesting video! It would have been interesting to see a “true” off-roader complete the log test. My guess is that even a “true” off-roader would struggle or even fail the log test.
Yes, the plan was to have a dual-cab ute run up the hill, but we were one staff member short and couldn't make it happen.
@@Drivecomau My suggestion would be lining up the SUVs from this comparison which did a better job in the log test, against Land Rover Discovery as a benchmark off-roader.
@@Drivecomau use off-road tiers next time plz
@@Drivecomau would've liked you to take proper 4x4's such as Land Rover Discovery / Defender and it's rivals equipped with All Terrain tyres. not soft 4x4's with road tyres.. as soon as I saw the log test I knew no way would any of them get up it.. I doubt even a ATV quad bike could get up those logs..
The log test is a test of the tires. If the tires don't grip nothing else matters.
I sure like this test because the vast majority of offroad tests never test the vehicles head to head against an obstacle that some or most of them cannot accomplish.
You can't say where the limits are without bumping into them!
That tiguan didn't get a fair assessment on chassis. It was the only one on a really severe angle. As for subaru it had the fastest momentum.
Nope. They were all tested at the same angle.
Thanks for this video - I found it interesting and informative. Thanks also for putting in the easy-find links.
The log test was completely pointless and provided little useful information
Just like this comment.
just proved that all them aren't true offroaders but I doubt any 4x4 adventurer would look to climb up a hill with muddy logs lol. Especially not in a standard SUV setup for road use lol.
@@Drivecomau nice try mate
Wet clay forreal reg tyres lmao
you should have use a true 4*4 to benchmark the slippery log test...
I would doubt if true 4x4 can actually make it. It’s just way too slippery.
@@rexsong4835 So what is the point of this video if no car can actually make it?
@@rajTrondhjem10 they want to test crossover capabilities for challenging roads, it's not about real 4x4. Obviously real 4x4 would crush that test
@@edwardvalivonis23 since when will any SUV face a hill with logs in it? Even those who do "greenlaning" would have a problem getting up a bank consisting of logs.. They'd have to use winches even then they'd slide all over.. as the grooves ofthe tyres fill with mud.. making it equal to a slick tyre on a wet road.
@@LFC-Star not really, they can use Lada Niva without problem
Mazda, Subaru, Honda... the best in my book,.... Tiguan is utter crap, but no surprises there.
Pahahaha the tiguan is on the level of the subaru and the structual problem is caused by the big ass glass roof thats it , watch other offroad tests sometimes the tiguan beats the subaru
@@leopard2109 But of course it is...
dimekoza did you drive any of these cars ? I dont think so
@@leopard2109 How do you know?! Go troll somwhere else VW fanboy...
Vw's issues of course already many years.... real good cars start with a j in the identification plate of the car....
Log trail is hard test specially with wet land, it is better if proper tire is stalled.. shame on the most expensive one but weak chassis.. the best i think is Subaru..
Since Subaru has been at this game for half a century I’d expect the first test to be a walk in the park for the Forester.
There are a few issues with this test.
First, when putting all these small suvs on the structural rigidity test, you did not use the same stopping location on all. Many times, a deviation of a couple of centimeters/inches could make a differens in torsion stress.
Second, none of these small suvs have propper off-road worthy tires. Even larger suvs (with the possible exception of a few hard-core off-roaders) will have a problem trying to climb the slippery logs on "stock" road tires.
Third, momentum and speed are ke6 when off roading and will make or break a successful off road experience. In my opinion, you tried to go up the slippery logs a bit too fast and you did not use the same momentum on all the test vehicles. A sure way to get stuck off roading is going too fast, which you did with all of these.
Anyhow, this should serve as a lesson to potential buyers to see where not to take their beloved small suvs. Ha!
...and the RAV4 is in the HYBRID trim.
A HYBRID with eAWD compared directly against a Forester! :)
Do the same test,for the premiums,; MB, Volvo, BMW, Audi, Lexus, infinity
as if someone would take their lovely shiny XC90 up a hill covered in logs lol.. The logs would crack the alloys.. as well as do other damage.
Great tests! Please keep it up and add some more torture test for us for SUVs ☺️☺️ thanks! More power
I miss the grand vitara! All its glorius off road capabilities...
lol, I'm still driving my 08 Grand Vitara V6, loving it. It's impeccable.
Good work!
But you should had a wrangler as a benchmark,
Also You had to start and perform the test at the same constant speed (as much as possible)
You should have increased the number of tests for better ranking (as most of them were Pass/ Pass/Fail)
Finally I felt that you were biased to the Forester although it was sliding back at the slippery log!
For me the surprising good performance was for Mazda CX5
The minute Suzuki Jimny would have outshined all of them in that area
Bahahahaha your shitty small jimmy😂
Would've been nice to see the Jeep Renegade and/or Cherokee in this comparison. I think either in Trailhawk trim probably would've passed all three tests but would also be fun to see a non- Trailhawk edition compete.
Excellent simple test setup. No BS straight forward comparison. 👍👍
It would be nice to see which vehicle outside of this set could do the slippery log climb with the same type of tyres as a comparison. otherwise that test doesn't have much value
With same tires and same speed no 4x4 will do it. You will need a 6x6.
Discovery Sport is the best by far. I wish Peugeot would make the 3008/5008 AWD, it's so close to being a perfect car except for a couple of let downs. Also, not everyone buys a medium SUV for kids.. plenty of singles and couples buy them for the space and ease of entry/exit, not to mention visibility and comfort for long drives.
I regularly tow 2/3 year old Land Rovers of all descriptions that have shit their pants.
Nice review Paul. I liked how the CX-5 and the Forester went through the ruts(offset model). Was surprised that the Tiguan exhibited more chassis flex. I have the previous generation from 2012 and the doors do not close well when parked on uneven terrain offroad. I thought that was going to be addressed with the new generation but obviously VW put their attention elsewhere :-). Besides the obvious that the structure on the Tiguan flexes more than the other cars, anyone cares to comment if there are any implications safety wise considering the Euro NCaps rate the cars similarly for safety?
Greetings from South Africa..
I've been to an accident where a Tiguan rolled multiple times at high speed. The accident was severe enough to seperate the engine and gearbox from the car, the debris was strewn over several hundred metres.
The car retained its body structure and the occupants survived, just.
Very interesting, but I felt you should have used all the cars with same tyres type and size. Also I think you should have use Rav4 Edge/Adventure instead of the hybrid. Anyway, Subaru rocks !
Abhinav Pillai the hybrid used the same awd system it’s just as good “bad” as the adventure is lol it sure is one hell of a looker though
Put some off road tires on the vehicles if you want them to crawl up the logs. Road tires are a joke not the SUVS.
Most people who buy "true" 4x4's never actually use them so they could actually buy one of these and save themselves a tonne of money. Easier to park, cheaper to run...whats not to like.
But they don't have the wank factor my friend. So the true 4wds will continue to be purchased in large wanky numbers.
Can you please do the same test in luxury suv (Audi q5, BMW X5 ect) or even better Volvo v60 cross country and Audi A4 allroad.
Also, grateful if you could share your camera gear and behind the camera setup. I am always intrigued with your videos. Is it a one-man shot and show?
Why would you not use X mode for Subaru on the logs and try??
kp he does indicate at the beginning of the test he engages it so I assume he doesn’t disengage it for the log test.
I think it's a fair test, regardless of stock road tires, you can still see which tires spins when the vehicle is stuck, and when the other tires starts to engages. Thank you for doing it, glad to see these kind of reviews. Some people are probably just upset that their cars are shown and failed.
Wow, a lot of hurt feelings by reviewers that their cars didn’t perform as expected. The Subaru crowd tends to be whiners in these tests. No, your cvt is not a Wrangler or 4 Runner. He obviously did not put all terrain tires on the vehicle because the premise of the test was an owner wanting to take their road suv off the pavement for a camping or similar trip. You want to show what your suv can do? Load a video.
I expect most owners of these suvs realize they are not off-road machines and do not want to put all terrain tires on a vehicle that they use 99% of the time on pavement for work, good road handling and good gas mileage, with .9% off pavement driving and .1% at best on anything that taxes the civilized suv’s capability. This video provides some basic information on how the vehicles handle a discrete set of tasks. It is not without flaws but is beneficial.
Nice test this is what we are looking for
You really don’t know anything about off-road. Watch how Russians do off-road test.
yeah. This guy dont know anything about offroad. cant blame him, he had been pay to do it.
WTF Russians are the worst offroaders i've ever seen dude, Australian people know how to do it well, why don't you go and check 4x4 Action channel
feli pascu LOL,,,,obviously you don’t know shitzen about Russia.
Next you’ll claim there is meters deep snow down under along with tundra, bogs and mountains miles high.
@@2003evodave i know how to offroad, i have a discovery, and obviously technics, russians don't know anything, they only have money to push vehicles to their limits
@@pascu6712 Sorry to say, but that's not true
I have the same Tucson and mine makes it through these muddy sections just fine.
Would be interesting, by way of an ‘inter-segment’ comparison if you like, to see how “real” 4WD perform under the same conditions
Mitsubishi pajero, Mitsubishi outlander, Kia Sportage, Nissan X-Trail, Renault, Volkswagen
Would like to see the how the Jimny tackle these tests
It would do them without any probs :) see CarWow tests by Mat Watson and he compared with the G Wagon & Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and I can say that it compared quite good with them for the price you pay its quite a great little offroader :)!
You went very easy on the RAV4. My wife bought a RAV4 two years ago and it is very nice on the streets and highways but I would never trust it on any off roads.
part 3 of your test is not applicable for this kind of suv's , big hill full of mud with street tyres . even proper 4x4 will have very had time in such case .
The tire marks from the cars in the beginning on the logs are making it easier for the later cars.
How could the Hyundai Tucson failed on the offset mogul while KIA Sportage passed? It is basically the same vehicle with different face.
Probably the weight. The Tucson looks so heavy than Sportage.
Well they had different gearboxes. You can see the torque converter gearbox of the Kia acting a lot smoother.
Will the Toyota RAV4 Trail or TDR make a difference?
Where do you rank cx5..because in the video you were surprised with how good that was but didnot mention it at the end
It ranks very highly - check out our written review (in the description) for the full details.
I found that it move fastest through all test
Yeah... not sure tests are consistent I'm afraid. The AWD we use in our videos would win all these test no worries. That's Holden technology in 2005 beating all 2019 tech.
can you please do more light off roading tests in these vehicles without log test.
Totally agree with Adrian. I live in Northern California in the Sierra foothills. By far, the Subaru is way popular here for all the conditions both winter and summer. IMHO, the log test is unrealistic. I have been through the Rubicon three times and none of the Jeeps could make that test either. All of these vehicles would be just fine in the snow. Not surprised about the VW.
The only suv to get over the huge log in the center would be a jeep Wrangler or Rubicon.
Great video. Cars are what they are so people complains are really nonsense.
It's not a bad video but, where are the Jeep Compass and the Mitsubishi Outlander?
The former is in the repair shop, the latter is being escorted to the retirement village.
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These vehicles are not designed or advertised for off road use. I didn't expect them to do well. I wasn't surprised by the results.
Have any SUV ever passed that slippery log test before? Would love to see some serious off roaders put on that test
Nice video and comparision
The Subaru forester is always the best option
Hahahaha😂
2 out of 3 lesbians agree with you.
@@jonathanmarquise422 lesbian or not it's a fact.
@@saauuzza what's a fact? a jeep wrangler is a small SUV, and it would destroy a forester offroad. the 4runner is another medium sized SUV that would destroy it offroad as well. so it's the best option for what exactly? what is the fact here?
@@jonathanmarquise422 jeep...
Should've turned traction control off on the Tucson. Would've let the gearbox run MUCH better without stopping you.
This guy doesn’t know how to offroad
FULL THROTTLE ON THE SLIPPERY LOG CLIMB!
Sure lets pop some tyres and damage those suspension.
I agree, have a look at the way he approached the logs in the VW Tiguan. Much slower speed and when it started to climb he took away the gas.
The Forrester got a longer start on the log hill there than the other cars
I wasn't surprised with the Tiguan at all.
No jeep compass trailhawk?! Which is the only vehicle in this catagory which is actually designed for the use you are stating in this test.
Where is the Mitsubishi Outlander?
With a crappy road tires like that no suv would climb that log even with a difflocks
Wow never ever thought much of a Kia Sportage. Think it did almost as well as Subaru on that log test😮
The Sportage/Tucson have much higher quality drivetrain components though, no plastic pieces like Subaru uses.
@@4nciite yeah I own one and I love mine. and it just had its first issue and it's been on the road for 3 years and 36500 miles now. And had nothing but pluses to say about it!!!
Seems to me Tires are the main issue with road tires slipping on these logs I bet with proper tires these would climb way up there .....no truck with road tires would go up that log climb
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make the same table with the test results at the end of the video, it will be cool!
good job, bro!
Good video but 2 wheels were not off the ground with all cars when you opened the doors. Some had no wheels off ground whilst others had 1 and some looked like they may have ahd 2 wheels off. Should have thrown the new Suzuki Jimny in for good measure!
Yeah they were - you just couldn’t tell from that angle. Front right and rear left.
The 2020 Forester added a stronger Mud X-mode that might permit even better performance on the logs. If you ever try it out let me know the result.
I swear it looked like you came in a little hotter on the logs in the Forester.
Testing the RAV4 Edge variant and/or Jeep Cherokee would have been interesting as they both sit in the medium SUV class but have greater off-road capability but I assume they weren’t available. I’m guessing the message is that if you leave normal road tyres on your vehicle then probably reasonable condition dirt roads are all you should attempt. Seems an obvious message but your demonstration reinforces that very well. Cheers
You enter the log test at different speeds, not really fair.
although the last test is hard for all of these cross overs but what failed them all is the tires.
Should have the RAV4 Adventure go up there...
Toyota's AWD is crappy, reliable qualities, but pretty crappy. The RAV4 adventure wouldn't make it up there even with different tires. Plus, the adventure trim is just a hoax, at least here in Canada, there are no major differences between it and the XLE trim, Toyota just gave it a minor lift and a beefed up radiator to tow more than the XLE. Add a little more $, skip the RAV4, and you can get a SR5 4Runner, that's more of a proper body on frame off-roader.
I agree with most of the negative comments. Moreover an overall test with three pass/fail questions has no statistical value.
Should have thrown two jokers in... ranger raptor and WRX STI just to see how they would have compared.
WRX too low to the ground for this.
Superb video sir
You are super inconsistent with your speed up the logs and through the "mud pit"... think you should have a fixed speed and then go through each obstacle... the mazda out performed the subaru in the mud pit... but you had more speed going up the logs with the subaru than the mazda... and you also went very show with the Hyundai up the logs... and why is there no Ford Kuga/Escape?
It’s impossible to have the exact same speed. We did the tests several times at varying speeds and the results were always the same. As mentioned in the video, Escape wasn’t available for this test.
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Congratulations for the nice and brave test. Yes it was subjective test without being exhaustive. Your subjective impressions have seen. I know there are many other perspectives. I enjoyed your effort. Thank you.
The Tucson, Tiguan and Sportage are the only ones not using plastic in their main drivetrain components.
Why ASX/outlander SPORT is not here?
I would like to see a proper 4x4 ranger hilux etc climb the logs
Agree, with road tyres for consistency
Very nice 👌
Except for the equinox 👎
What a stupid video, the log test is way beyond any of these vehicles without at least offroad tyres. And the Subaru is the only one that has a true chance. SUV's are not off-roaders full stop. I detect youthful over-ambition. If you want to go offroad, buy a true offroader.
The SUV's in question can do light off roading such as drive along a woodland path to a log cabin or to a lake shore. but nothing too difficult.. They come into their own when driving on the roads when it's heavy rain / heavy snow.. and the 4x4 gives extra traction.. assuming they're on appropriate tyres.