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Archie was also a fine person. I worked my first newspaper reporting job for an editor who had attended Ohio State U with Griffin and served as a student manager of the team. He said everyone loved Archie Griffin. No nicer person existed.
Paul Brown not choosing Bill Walsh to be his successor at head coach is still THE biggest blunder in Bengals history. Thoroughly enjoyed watching the Bengals playoff run. I hate that they lost, but I am happy that I got to watch them play in the Super Bowl at least once in my lifetime. The first one was before I was born and the second one, I was 5 years old and, obviously, have no memories of. I am 100% confident that Burrow will lead them back to the Super Bowl. Who Dey!!!
I always liked Archie Griffin (45) and rooted for him to do well in Cincinnati. He was always a pro and a good team player even with all the awards and attention coming out of college. Good juke moves and good speed as seen in these clips. Didn’t fumble as much as Tony Dorsett.
I met Archie a few times over the years at various events. He always has the time to talk to fans and in my experience he treats everyone like he knows them personally. He's so humble and such a great role model.
@@buckeyetater7540 Well, yes. But what fun would that be? Gotta roll with the amusement value when the opportunity arises. I'm sure he would be laughing right along with us.
Despite winning 2 Heismans, Griffin was not expected to have a spectacular NFL career. He might not have gone in the 1st round of the draft if the home-state Bengals hadn't needed a running back. It was already fairly common for Heisman winners to have mediocre NFL careers. As you note, Griffin ended up with a respectable NFL career--neither a "bust" nor worthy of a bust in Canton.
Didn't help his legacy, that TD took the Heisman in 76' with a legendary season for the Nat'l Champs; then, he lit up the NFL with Dallas, ending up with a Ring and a bronze bust.
I just looked at his stats. I remember him very well. He played from 1976 to 1982, he never rushed for more than 700 yards in one season , his rush yards declined each year from 1979 to 1982. He was out of football at age 28. I remember as a boy learning to understand that great college players do not make great pro players. Excellent point about him taking so much punishment in college
Or you could go play for bum phillips and have the s#it run out of you like earl campbell did. Dude was done-had nothing left-after year five thanks to bum running him 35 times a game and over 400 carries a season.
It wasnt that Griffin wasnt a good player they refused to play him. He never had more than 140 carries in a season. 34 RBs had more carries in 2021 and its a passing league now
@@KamuiCage yes that is true. but he had a lot of carries at Tosu and couldn't take that kind of pounding in the nfl. bengals were trying to preserve him.
You can get wore out as a multi-year collegiate starter like Ron Dayne and Cedric Benson. Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders more or less alternated big yardage seasons - TT in 85 and 87 and BS in 86 and 88 at Ok State...unplanned load management.
@@matthewdaley746 Yep. paul brown written all over that one. Wanted to copy brown's orange helmet as a #k you to modell. At least they changed their 'stripes' in time to make s b xvi.
Woody Hayes said about Archie. “He is a better man than he is a football player” and “He’s the best damn football player I’ve ever seen” I am a Buckeye Fan and Archie Griffin will ALWAYS BE our greatest Buckeye.
As a kid growing up in the 1980s I couldn't understand how a former Heisman trophy winner could be used so infrequently, even playing with Charles Alexander and Pete Johnson.
I'm am not a Bengals fan (I am a Raiders fan), but Ken Anderson needs to be in the HOF, sure there was a lot of losing, but if you just look at his play on the field and how he ran the original "west coast offense" it seems to me he should be.
Great show....making a bigger fool of Paul Brown in this case for hiring Bill Johnson. What would BILL WALSH had done with kenny Anderson and Archie Griffith.
Griffin had every reason to be furious with the way he was used. He was underused and was stuck on some putrid teams. He deserved better. He could and would have been a feature back on most teams and they’d have been lucky to have him.
If the Bengals promoted Bill Walsh to head coach before the 1976 season do you think the Bengals would have still drafted Archie Griffin? If so, how do you think his career would have gone? This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another shocking Bengals blowout the next year over the Steelers.
That's a very good question. I think, based on later trends, Walsh would've preferred a more versatile back; Roger Craig was technically a FB most of his career, and clearly excelled running and receiving.
Archie would've been better in a Walsh offense. Ken Anderson said that he had great hands. Archie put up good numbers in receiving. He was used as a wideout more than a RB in his last two seasons www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrifAr00.htm
The Bengals would have drafted him because Paul Brown said so. He was the scouting department for the team. And Griffin could catch. Walsh would have benefitted from having Griffin.
My personal opinion about Archie Griffin's Football Career is: He was, rightfully so, a tailback in College. When he got to the pros he should have been switched to a slot back receiver. I believe he would have had a prolific career - something like Hines Ward. Ward was a QB and tailback in College.
Archie was just flat out drafted by the wrong team. No RB at Cincinnati was going to get more than 20 carry’s a game. They used them to set up the short to intermediate passing game and for ball control. Homer Rice’s decision to essentially bench Griffin was a fiasco and played no small part in his firing. Archie was highly respected by his teammates and they were just as baffled as everyone else on why Archie wasn’t being used as he always performed at a high level during practice.
Looks like resting him all those other games sure helped. Is this Falcons defense still the gritz blitz? If it is I am not shocked they got blown out by Ken Anderson, I'm not sure if he was using the west coast offense but if he was then I'm really not shocked, the quick passes are what beats that kind of defense
Ha ha, 1,000 yards a game; Chris Berman made a similar slip when once speaking of Barry Sanders in 1997 (consecutive 1,000 yard seasons, he said; during the correction, he then stated that he gets so excited watching Barry Sanders that he just wants to give him all kinds of numbers, a comment I find most funny).
When Archie and Anthony faced off in the Rose Bowl, USC won, although with neither of these Heisman contenders having a great game. That was vindication for Anthony Davis.
Is it just me or does Eddie George have the Best career and Sucess in the NFL,out of All of the running backs to Ever come out of Ohio State ? And please don't anybody say Zeke Elliot,because he hasnt been the Same Zeke and has been Very sub par as of late .
My history's a lil Hazy ! How is Archie Griffin's # 45 retired at Ohio State when the Big Kitten Andy Katzenmoyer wore the same # when he played MLB at Ohio State ? He(Katzenmoyer) mighta benefited from another year at Ohio State since he had Such a sub par performance and career in the NFL if he wasn't so Dumb in the classroom .
Archie Griffin has never been the considered the Best College football player outside of 1970's Columbus Ohio. Those two Heismans could have EASILY went to Anthony Davis (1974) and Rickey Bell, in 1975 (RIP) both from USC.
Archie may have been a Tosu star and back to back heisman winner but he was too small for the nfl. No woody hayes/ground chuck/bum phillips run type of offense for him in nfl. And isn't '78 the year of the gritz blitz and the hail mary big ben rights that bartkowski lucky falcons used to win the nfc west that season? I believe the only season rams didn't win the west in the '70's. Also boobie clark was on '78 bengals.
I think the Niners won their division once, 71' or 72'? I could be wrong. But yeesh, winning like 9 division titles in 10 years? Most of the 6 divisions were dominated by one team in the 70s; but I don't think any other squad won as often as LA.
@@eugenedenbrook322 yep. They played the boys in back to back playoffs. I believe sf was a wc both times. In the 70's you could chalk up the phins, steelers, raiders, cowboys, vikes, and rams as division winner every season. And rams with all of those div. titles only made the s b one time, the last one of the '70's. Every s b of the '70's featured at least one of those six teams in it. Every conf title game had at least two of them play each other. With rams/tb in '79 and den/raiders in '77 the lone exception.
The TEAM completed a little over 100 passes as a two-year total during those Heisman years. Archie HAD to get those 100 yards a game or Ohio State doesn't win any games! Every team they played took it as a quest to stop Archie from getting those yards, but he did anyway. None of the Heisman candidates those years had that kind of pressure. He couldn't even practice in '75 because he was so beat up. That turf those years was like painted concrete! I think there's a bigger case for him winning 3 Heismans (he had a phenomenal sophomore year) than there is him not deserving the two he won. Whoever made that statement KNOWS NOTHING about that era!
Disagree. Both Dorsett and Bell played on teams with QB's that went on to the NFL. Archie's OSU teams completed a little over 100 passes as a TWO-YEAR TOTAL in his Heisman years. Every team that played Ohio St had a mission to break his 100 yd streak, but still couldn't stop him. He WAS the offense! He was so beat up in '75 he couldn't even practice. That Ohio Stadium turf was like concrete. He richly deserved the '75 Heisman.
@@carseye1219 since we want to go there. In 1975 pitt avg 100 yds passing ohio st 90. Pete johnson had 1000 yds rushing and cornelius wqs a great runner with another 500 They were a good triple threat team that’s what made Ohio st so tough back then.
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Audio, visual, or both?
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Only thing I saw was your correction about Griffin having 31 straight 1,000 yard games.
> 1978
> Bengals
I think I may be onto something... 😎
The brown bar. You got it
Archie was also a fine person. I worked my first newspaper reporting job for an editor who had attended Ohio State U with Griffin and served as a student manager of the team. He said everyone loved Archie Griffin. No nicer person existed.
Is and always!
It’s true
Paul Brown not choosing Bill Walsh to be his successor at head coach is still THE biggest blunder in Bengals history. Thoroughly enjoyed watching the Bengals playoff run. I hate that they lost, but I am happy that I got to watch them play in the Super Bowl at least once in my lifetime. The first one was before I was born and the second one, I was 5 years old and, obviously, have no memories of. I am 100% confident that Burrow will lead them back to the Super Bowl. Who Dey!!!
I always liked Archie Griffin (45) and rooted for him to do well in Cincinnati. He was always a pro and a good team player even with all the awards and attention coming out of college. Good juke moves and good speed as seen in these clips. Didn’t fumble as much as Tony Dorsett.
I met Archie a few times over the years at various events. He always has the time to talk to fans and in my experience he treats everyone like he knows them personally. He's so humble and such a great role model.
31 consecutive games over 1,000 yards? He really was the best college player of all time!!!! LOL.......
You knew what he meant.
@@buckeyetater7540 Well, yes. But what fun would that be? Gotta roll with the amusement value when the opportunity arises. I'm sure he would be laughing right along with us.
Despite winning 2 Heismans, Griffin was not expected to have a spectacular NFL career. He might not have gone in the 1st round of the draft if the home-state Bengals hadn't needed a running back. It was already fairly common for Heisman winners to have mediocre NFL careers. As you note, Griffin ended up with a respectable NFL career--neither a "bust" nor worthy of a bust in Canton.
Didn't help his legacy, that TD took the Heisman in 76' with a legendary season for the Nat'l Champs; then, he lit up the NFL with Dallas, ending up with a Ring and a bronze bust.
@@eugenedenbrook322 who ended up with Dallas not Archie.
@@eugenedenbrook322 You must be thinking of Tony Dorsett.
Playing the Falcons helps turn around many careers.
Until 28-3
I just looked at his stats. I remember him very well. He played from 1976 to 1982, he never rushed for more than 700 yards in one season , his rush yards declined each year from 1979 to 1982. He was out of football at age 28. I remember as a boy learning to understand that great college players do not make great pro players. Excellent point about him taking so much punishment in college
Or you could go play for bum phillips and have the s#it run out of you like earl campbell did. Dude was done-had nothing left-after year five thanks to bum running him 35 times a game and over 400 carries a season.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. big earl 'i'll just run you over'.
@@matthewdaley746 poor earl is a cripple now. too sad.
It wasnt that Griffin wasnt a good player they refused to play him. He never had more than 140 carries in a season. 34 RBs had more carries in 2021 and its a passing league now
@@KamuiCage yes that is true. but he had a lot of carries at Tosu and couldn't take that kind of pounding in the nfl. bengals were trying to preserve him.
That pass was unbelievable.
Archie Griffin was one of the greatest college players of all time. Doesn’t always equal a great pro career take nothing away from the man.
You can get wore out as a multi-year collegiate starter like Ron Dayne and Cedric Benson. Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders more or less alternated big yardage seasons - TT in 85 and 87 and BS in 86 and 88 at Ok State...unplanned load management.
@@urbanleftbehind true that is a great point
@@urbanleftbehind Ron Dayne did not run through the hole hard in short yardage like he supposed to
Love your videos but SPECIFICALLY got on here to say "Arrrrrrchie" (que Mrs. Bunker)
Bad guess #1 on the Easter egg: at 4:12 he states how Griffin didn’t score a TD in the 1977 season, while the clip is of Griffin scoring a TD.
Preseason exhibilition scrimmages do NOT count.
At OSU he was 10 yards downfield before he met a defender on most occasions.
I noticed that as well.
I wish the Bengals would go back to use the old helmets for at least one game they weren't that bad.
@@matthewdaley746 Yep. paul brown written all over that one. Wanted to copy brown's orange helmet as a #k you to modell. At least they changed their 'stripes' in time to make s b xvi.
mike brown too cheap to do that one. He needs cash to sign a few ol.
@@matthewdaley746 yes it did. Went from last to the s b.
For one game, absolutely. But their normal helms and unis are awesome
@@eugenedenbrook322 Better when they took the white up the side off of the black jersey and took the orange font off of the white jersey.
Every highlight of Archie, he is 15 yards down field when the first opposing teams jersey appears. Billy Sims was robbed of a second Heisman.
Damn Maurice clarett almost clipped griffins college record till he got in trouble with that armed robbery charge
MoC could have/would have been a Heisman winner if he had stayed healthy and out of trouble. What a waste of talent.
Woody Hayes said about Archie. “He is a better man than he is a football player” and “He’s the best damn football player I’ve ever seen” I am a Buckeye Fan and Archie Griffin will ALWAYS BE our greatest Buckeye.
Well said! I remember hearing that! I agree. He is the greatest Buckeye EVER!!
Fans/alums of TTUN will NEVER appreciate neither Woody NOR Archie. They still refer to Woody as a "scumbag."
As a kid growing up in the 1980s I couldn't understand how a former Heisman trophy winner could be used so infrequently, even playing with Charles Alexander and Pete Johnson.
I'm am not a Bengals fan (I am a Raiders fan), but Ken Anderson needs to be in the HOF, sure there was a lot of losing, but if you just look at his play on the field and how he ran the original "west coast offense" it seems to me he should be.
Great show....making a bigger fool of Paul Brown in this case for hiring Bill Johnson. What would BILL WALSH had done with kenny Anderson and Archie Griffith.
Griffin had every reason to be furious with the way he was used. He was underused and was stuck on some putrid teams. He deserved better. He could and would have been a feature back on most teams and they’d have been lucky to have him.
Amazing that he rushed for over 1,000 yards for 31 straight games.
What???
You meant over 100 yards per game, obviously. And he rarely played past the middle of the 3rd quarter.
If the Bengals promoted Bill Walsh to head coach before the 1976 season do you think the Bengals would have still drafted Archie Griffin? If so, how do you think his career would have gone?
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another shocking Bengals blowout the next year over the Steelers.
That's a very good question. I think, based on later trends, Walsh would've preferred a more versatile back; Roger Craig was technically a FB most of his career, and clearly excelled running and receiving.
Archie would've been better in a Walsh offense. Ken Anderson said that he had great hands. Archie put up good numbers in receiving. He was used as a wideout more than a RB in his last two seasons
www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrifAr00.htm
The Bengals would have drafted him because Paul Brown said so. He was the scouting department for the team. And Griffin could catch. Walsh would have benefitted from having Griffin.
Where do you find all this film ? It's incredible
Ahhh the Falcons of the seventies, seems lots of people saved their careers playing the Falcons.
My personal opinion about Archie Griffin's Football Career is: He was, rightfully so, a tailback in College. When he got to the pros he should have been switched to a slot back receiver. I believe he would have had a prolific career - something like Hines Ward. Ward was a QB and tailback in College.
He could've done so much more with the right team.
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Hershel was by far the better back
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Aint no way earl Campbell was better when he played for the Houston Oilers
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Archie was just flat out drafted by the wrong team. No RB at Cincinnati was going to get more than 20 carry’s a game. They used them to set up the short to intermediate passing game and for ball control. Homer Rice’s decision to essentially bench Griffin was a fiasco and played no small part in his firing. Archie was highly respected by his teammates and they were just as baffled as everyone else on why Archie wasn’t being used as he always performed at a high level during practice.
So was Archie Griffin was on the Bengals' Super Bowl roster v. San Francisco?
yes, 1 rush for 4 yards, 0 receptions.
@@RoyOrbisonsElvisTape At least he got to play in a SB game. Not even Barry Sanders can say he did that.
1000 yards for the season, not a game. That would be a record-UNLV QB Kenny Mayne
Text @ 2:18 - You're underestimating Archie.
We’re worried about playing the Falcons, said no team EVER
Looks like resting him all those other games sure helped. Is this Falcons defense still the gritz blitz? If it is I am not shocked they got blown out by Ken Anderson, I'm not sure if he was using the west coast offense but if he was then I'm really not shocked, the quick passes are what beats that kind of defense
Archie Griffin reached the Super Bowl in 1981-82. I'm not sure why that wasn't mentioned.
You should do a dedicated video on AstroTurf You can't talk about vintage football without talking about it's infamous playing surface
That astroturf ruined many players knees over the years
gator showed every Tosu passing play of archie's four year career in first four minutes.
Wait! Archie Griffin had a career in football? Did I miss something? I guess I did.
Running backs should never play four seasons of football in college.
Depends on the Running Back.
@@mikevanriel7573 Maybe a back who catches passes more often, and doesn't always carry 20 plus times?
Or just be Walter Payton 🙂
Ha ha, 1,000 yards a game; Chris Berman made a similar slip when once speaking of Barry Sanders in 1997 (consecutive 1,000 yard seasons, he said; during the correction, he then stated that he gets so excited watching Barry Sanders that he just wants to give him all kinds of numbers, a comment I find most funny).
Anthony Davis should have won the Heisman in 1974. Many voters submitted their ballot PRIOR to the USC-ND game!
When Archie and Anthony faced off in the Rose Bowl, USC won, although with neither of these Heisman contenders having a great game. That was vindication for Anthony Davis.
How did he fall to 24th pick in the draft???
Because 23 teams knew Griffin wouldn't be that good in the NFL 😃
WOW YET ANOTHER video about 2 teams who are less than a 39.6. They should SPIKE football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!
Ricky Bell got robbed in '75. It was an injustice.
2:17 It’s 100 not 1,000 yards; just a minor clerical error.
That Bengals look looks a lot like the browns
Ahh, wonderful. Real football played by real humans.
44 Years Ago
If Archie had gone to somebody like the Dolphins, Cowboys, or Steelers. He probably would have more success
They ALL had a reliable runningback.
You know your history. Go Falcons.
In these highlights, I do not see AG breaking tackles or making people miss.
You must be joking 😆
Tony Dorsett broke the record the very next season, and was clearly the better player in college & pros
Dorsett was better the year Griffin won his 2nd heisman
Archie is an Ohio kid.
Is it just me or does Eddie George have the Best career and Sucess in the NFL,out of All of the running backs to Ever come out of Ohio State ? And please don't anybody say Zeke Elliot,because he hasnt been the Same Zeke and has been Very sub par as of late .
and he played in a super bowl........
Archie didn't play on a run-oriented team.
My history's a lil Hazy ! How is Archie Griffin's # 45 retired at Ohio State when the Big Kitten Andy Katzenmoyer wore the same # when he played MLB at Ohio State ? He(Katzenmoyer) mighta benefited from another year at Ohio State since he had Such a sub par performance and career in the NFL if he wasn't so Dumb in the classroom .
The number got retired in 1999. Katzenmoyer was the last guy to wear it
Archie already knew Katz...so he gave him his blessing to wear #45. And Katz was a bust in the NFL.
Archie Griffin has never been the considered the Best College football player outside of 1970's Columbus Ohio. Those two Heismans could have EASILY went to Anthony Davis (1974) and Rickey Bell, in 1975 (RIP) both from USC.
Archie may have been a Tosu star and back to back heisman winner but he was too small for the nfl. No woody hayes/ground chuck/bum phillips run type of offense for him in nfl. And isn't '78 the year of the gritz blitz and the hail mary big ben rights that bartkowski lucky falcons used to win the nfc west that season? I believe the only season rams didn't win the west in the '70's. Also boobie clark was on '78 bengals.
It was 1980 in which the Falcons won their 1st division title,BTW…..’78 is when they got their 1st playoff spot!!!!!
@@joboots007 ok. Lost to boys in the '78 playoffs as w c.
I think the Niners won their division once, 71' or 72'? I could be wrong. But yeesh, winning like 9 division titles in 10 years?
Most of the 6 divisions were dominated by one team in the 70s; but I don't think any other squad won as often as LA.
@@eugenedenbrook322 yep. They played the boys in back to back playoffs. I believe sf was a wc both times. In the 70's you could chalk up the phins, steelers, raiders, cowboys, vikes, and rams as division winner every season. And rams with all of those div. titles only made the s b one time, the last one of the '70's. Every s b of the '70's featured at least one of those six teams in it. Every conf title game had at least two of them play each other. With rams/tb in '79 and den/raiders in '77 the lone exception.
someone said: "he won it twice when he shouldn't have won it once!"
The TEAM completed a little over 100 passes as a two-year total during those Heisman years. Archie HAD to get those 100 yards a game or Ohio State doesn't win any games! Every team they played took it as a quest to stop Archie from getting those yards, but he did anyway. None of the Heisman candidates those years had that kind of pressure. He couldn't even practice in '75 because he was so beat up. That turf those years was like painted concrete! I think there's a bigger case for him winning 3 Heismans (he had a phenomenal sophomore year) than there is him not deserving the two he won. Whoever made that statement KNOWS NOTHING about that era!
That’s why he is Archie Griffin and your guy’s name is Someone.
I wish they could bring it back but make it safer. It just looks so nice.
A lethargic offense is just not what I think of from a Ken Anderson lead Bengals offense, but those stats are not good
Biggest bust of all time
I still consider him a bust along with fellow Heisman winners such as Charles White John Cappeletti and Johnny Manziel
I think Ricky Bell and Tony Dorsett were better in 1975
Disagree. Both Dorsett and Bell played on teams with QB's that went on to the NFL. Archie's OSU teams completed a little over 100 passes as a TWO-YEAR TOTAL in his Heisman years. Every team that played Ohio St had a mission to break his 100 yd streak, but still couldn't stop him. He WAS the offense! He was so beat up in '75 he couldn't even practice. That Ohio Stadium turf was like concrete. He richly deserved the '75 Heisman.
@@carseye1219 since we want to go there. In 1975 pitt avg 100 yds passing ohio st 90. Pete johnson had 1000 yds rushing and cornelius wqs a great runner with another 500 They were a good triple threat team that’s what made Ohio st so tough back then.
@@ronsmac I still say, being the rare reigning Heisman winner in that era, he had a huge target on his back. Archie deserved that trophy.
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How is Homer Rice not in the NFL HOF? He was awesome.
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