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  • With the stroke of a pen, tens of thousands of Federation citizens found their colonies on the wrong side of a border. Rather than submit to the brutality of the Cardassian Union, these people would fight for their freedom under the banner of the Maquis.
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  • @TemplinInstitute
    @TemplinInstitute  6 років тому +96

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    • @imnotusingmyrealname4566
      @imnotusingmyrealname4566 6 років тому +5

      The Templin Institute I have suggestions for the next videos. The Ceph (alien species in Crysis) and Cell (organization in Crysis). Would be really cool if you covered one of those.

    • @johnharrison7131
      @johnharrison7131 6 років тому +6

      It's easy to be a saint when you make fantastic stuff like this!

    • @jesseberg3271
      @jesseberg3271 6 років тому +4

      Just so you know, Junta is a Spanish word, it is pronounced hoon-ta.
      Good video, otherwise.

    • @nielsmichiels1939
      @nielsmichiels1939 6 років тому +3

      Can you guys do the "JSDF" from "GATE"?

    • @grlt23
      @grlt23 6 років тому +3

      @Niels Michiels - it is the same JSDF as on Earth - so I dont see a point. But I would love to see something about NERV from Evangelion.
      Or even better something from Honorverse - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorverse - Royal Manticore Navy? Solar League? Mesa corporation?

  • @hydrogenone6866
    @hydrogenone6866 6 років тому +48

    "On Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window at Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise.
    Well, it's easy to be a saint in paradise. But the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there, in the Demilitarized Zone, all problems have not been solved yet.
    There are no saints, just people; angry, scared, determined people who are going to do whatever it takes to survive, whether it meets with the Federation approval or not."
    - Commander Benjamin Sisko

  • @CrystalKingdomGeneral4942
    @CrystalKingdomGeneral4942 3 роки тому +32

    Michael Eddington: We had the Cardassians on the run!
    Captain Sisko: And they ran right into the arms of the Dominion! End of story.

  • @Cailus3542
    @Cailus3542 6 років тому +610

    The Maquis were a fantastic concept, if a poorly executed one at times (yes, Voyager, I’m looking at you). There’s no denying that their cause was just, or that the Federation government utterly failed them. The entire plot of Insurrection is based around “it’s wrong to move a few hundred people from their homes against their will”, yet the Federation-Cardassian treaty does exactly that. TNG and DS9 don’t sugarcoat it either. The Federation were the villains, plain and simple. They made a giant, awful mistake and the Maquis were a direct consequence of that mistake. It’s easy enough to see the Federation as reeling in 2370, traumatised and terrified of the Borg threat and the loss of their complacency, so they do whatever they must to ensure peace with Cardassia. The Federation Council and Diplomatic Corps see the new threats, from the return of the Romulans to the emergence of the Borg, so they abandon their own principles and common sense to ensure peace...at any cost.
    It really is a fascinating contrast to the Federation of 2373. By then, the Federation had become battle-hardened. Starfleet had begun to militarise, building up its fleets for war, matching the Klingon Empire in open warfare and defeating a second Borg invasion. When the time came, they recognised the growing threat of the Dominion and made the first move, mining the entrance to the wormhole and ensuring that the inevitable war started on their terms.
    The Federation government of 2373, its bright-eyed naiviete and innocence lost, would never have signed those original treaties with Cardassia. They would’ve found another solution, and the Maquis would never have been born. As it stood, the Maquis were ultimately victims of their own government’s fear. It doesn’t make their actions right, nor does it justify slaughtering all those Cardassians with biogenic weapons. It does, however, put the Maquis into the proper context.

    • @redshirt0479
      @redshirt0479 6 років тому +44

      I disagree, there's a major difference here. The colonists were Federation citizens and were given the option to move with assistance from the Federation to somewhere that wasn't located in disputed territory.
      Plus, it's part of the risks of colonization. Sometimes you end up setting up shop somewhere that either turns out to be in someone else's territory or it's in such a location that you can't get support for it. Colonies fail, it's not always fair but it happens. Especially when you settling in a territory that then has brushfire wars for 27 years.
      They knew the risks and got snake eyes.

    • @MihzvolWuriar
      @MihzvolWuriar 6 років тому +19

      I agree with you both actually, both were wrong at some time, but neither one was justified, both were placing land or territories above people's lives, and everytime that happens, shit stuff ensues, I never understood why people do that in real life, but was well used in this story arc

    • @redshirt0479
      @redshirt0479 6 років тому +14

      That sounds about right, although I think for the Federation it was more putting the needs of society before the needs of the individual and an examination of how something that's perfectly logical, reasonable, and probably even the right call on the large scale can have disastrous effects on the small scale.
      I mean, ending a war through treaties and negotiations is often the right move to prevent deaths. Especially when there are other conflicts going on at the time (such as the Tzenkethi war and the Galen Border Conflicts) and one that might be coming on the horizon (threat of the Borg which had attacked only a year earlier).

    • @Mahbu
      @Mahbu 6 років тому +19

      I'd like to point out that the Federation was not winning the war against the Cardassians. They may not have been losing but they weren't winning, at least according to some sources I've seen. The Federation was suffering significant casualties and loss of material due to their lack of actual military prowess and no dedicated warships.
      The Federation, which had dedicated itself to peace and exploration, was no longer equipped or prepared to fight against a militarized society and was forced to accept an unfavorable treaty to end hostilities which it could ill-afford to continue. The Federation was not the villain. It went to war initially to defend its colonists and colonies but did not have the sufficient capacity to wage that war.

    • @redshirt0479
      @redshirt0479 6 років тому +20

      Except none of that is in the canon.
      Here's all we know beyond a shadow of a doubt:
      There was a conflict between the Federation and the Cardassian Union
      The conflict lasted from the 2340s to 2367 when a ceasefire was reached that eventually became treaties.
      There was a massacre on Setlik III that claimed an unknown number of people
      O'Brien was involved in the war and was assigned to the USS _Rutledge_
      Picard saw action during the war while in command of the USS _Stargazer_ and outran Cardassian warships on an occasion where he was outnumbered.
      Janeway saw action as a lieutenant during the war
      There is nothing to indicate any other detail about the war. In fact, if we look at how the war affected both parties it appears that the Cardassians were having the rougher time of it given that for the first four years of TNG you wouldn't be able to tell that there were multiple wars going on at the time.
      Which points to the conflict being brushfire wars for the Federation.
      Plus, we saw the _Enterprise_ D during _The Chase_ take multiple hits from the forward phaser of multiple _Galor_ class starships (i.e. their mainline cruiser) and take no damage without shields raised simply by routing more power to the structural integrity field.
      That's a large power gap between a _Galaxy_ and a _Galor_ of that era (1) and that's not even taking into account how the Klingons, whom the Federation are roughly equal in combat strength to, were able to so utterly destroy the Cardassians in a year that they could no longer survive as an independent power.
      Which again, points to low intensity conflicts caused by the more aggressive Cardassians poking the proverbial bear and the Federation, instead of smashing them to bits, decided to just hash out a treaty instead of wasting lives on a pointless conflict.
      And since when has Starfleet not having dedicated warships ever hampered them? Literally every ship except the _Defiant_ and the _Prometheus_ is a multirole vessel with a suite of scientific equipment on board.
      (1) I say of that era because the Cardassians got a massive technological bump from joining the Dominion among other sources and were able to field more effective variants of their warships.

  • @alexandrearrive6199
    @alexandrearrive6199 6 років тому +213

    *Michael Eddington :* I know you. I was like you once, but then I opened my eyes. Open your eyes, Captain. Why is the Federation so obsessed about the Maquis? We've never harmed you. And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism.
    *Benjamin Sisko :* You know what, Mr. Eddington... I don't give a damn what you think of the Federation, or the Maquis, or anything else. All I know is that you betrayed your oath, your duty and me. And if it takes me the rest of my life, I'll see you standing before a court-martial that'll break you and send you to a penal colony where you'll spend the rest of your days growing old and wondering whether a ship full of replicators was really worth it.

    • @redshirt0479
      @redshirt0479 6 років тому +34

      I love that Eddington delivers that line literally right after committing an act of terrorism and ignores the number of times that Maquis ships have fired on Starfleet ships even that early in the series.
      It was a great way of hinting at his hero complex/delusion early in the arc that would later become his undoing.

    • @alexandrearrive6199
      @alexandrearrive6199 6 років тому +20

      It also illustrates the common terrorism ideals of "we're only victims, no harm was done" where, in fact, both sides did serious damage (just look at Sisko's planetary anihilation scene, gave me chills)

    • @redshirt0479
      @redshirt0479 6 років тому +8

      Aye, it's such a powerful scene as Sisko plays Eddington and his complex like a fiddle and then cuts the strings.

    • @C0deH0wler
      @C0deH0wler 6 років тому +14

      The federation doesn't assimilate. Nor does it force. The communities that join the federation already have similar goals. And the federation asks.

    • @DevilSurvivor69
      @DevilSurvivor69 6 років тому +8

      This is the best scene in the series in my opinion. It just shows how great an actor Avery Brooks is, that Sisko just lets Eddington know that you he may have won that battle, but in end he will hunt him down and its all he cares about.

  • @redshirt0479
    @redshirt0479 6 років тому +10

    Great work! Although I wouldn’t say that the Maquis were abandoned by their government. They did, in the end, choose to stay even though the Federation offered to assist in the relocation and set up of a new colony in territory that wasn’t disputed. Plus, they had to know the risks when they were settling in the area or just colonizing in general. You always run the risk that you’re setting up in someone else’s space; just look at Cestus III.
    Also really glad you didn’t glance over acts such as the Maquis development and deployment of Biogenic Weapons since that’s basically the equivalent of a modern day insurgent group building and dropping a nuke or bioweapon. So many fans seem to ignore that and have this strange, romantic view of the Maquis.
    Oh and this is probably just me that likes this, but I am so happy that you called the Cardassain-Federation war what it actually is, a series of low intensity conflicts. For some reason, not a lot of people seem to understand that a 'war' can be something other than massive fleets and armies duking it out and that such wars aren't always decided by who has the most powerful equipment or even the best tactics.
    Then again, there are those that think that seeking out a peaceful solution or treaty is a sign of weakness or that you're on the losing side rather than just not wanting to fight or not considering it worth the effort.

    • @joemomma2189
      @joemomma2189 Рік тому +2

      Given the nature of the people that settled, they were people that had been 'moved' for political reasons before in history (I.e. Native Americans) , and after the third or fourth time that has happened, you cannot fault them for not wanting to be moved again. It isn't so much about being right or wrong, moreso- where do you draw the line? Take the NCR in Fallout New Vegas, who were slowly moving in and pushing 'squatters' off their territory, nevermind those people have been living there for years before the NCR arrived. Was the reasons for both good? Yes, for the Federation they were just coming out of back-to-back conflicts so the idea of fighting over a 'few colonies' when they had MASSIVE infrastructure damage and manpower shortages was just not plausible, even with the technological level they had.
      For the NCR, they had a food and water shortage going on and had to not only support people back home, but provide for the people of New Vegas under their protection. There was no good answer to any of this.

  • @ajc-ff5cm
    @ajc-ff5cm 6 років тому +14

    DS9 was by far my favorite series in Star Trek. The Maquis are a great example of why.

  • @johnharrison7131
    @johnharrison7131 6 років тому +40

    Very well done! What a fantastic look into the lore of DS9 and TNG.

  • @jeffman-ky1dh
    @jeffman-ky1dh 6 років тому +8

    Sadly in the year 2373, most of the Maquis would eventually get wiped out by the Cardassians when the Cardassians formed an alliance with the Dominion, a political power from the Gamma Quadrant and with the help of the Jem'Hadar sodiers, killed most of them, but a few survivors, some in Federation prisons, Cardassian prisons, and some who are crew members of the U.S.S. Voyager, a Federation starship that was stranded in the Delta Quadrant for 7 years.

  • @ultrajd
    @ultrajd 6 років тому +65

    I love this channel. I literally, just stumbled across you guys once when I found your video on black Mesa. And at first I thought it would be a neat little thing but I am just amazed on how great this channel is. Also I have so many other organizations that I would love to see videos done on. But I wouldn't want to bore you guys the entire list. And unfortunately I don't have a Twitter account so I can post it there. Keep up the good work and congratulations on your seemingly meteoric rise.

  • @TehBurek
    @TehBurek 6 років тому +40

    Top-notch stuff, Templin. As a life-long Trekkie, I really appreciated this. And even when you're covering universes/franchises that I'm not familiar with at all, I still watch the videos to learn about them because it's always so well presented here. Amazing idea for a channel and amazing execution, easily one of my favorites on YT.

  • @skyborne80
    @skyborne80 6 років тому +3

    Fantastic bookend to this video: The then Commander Sisko's speech to the then Major Kira when he came to understand the realities of the lives of Federation citizens living in the Demilitarized Zone.

  • @SulliMike23
    @SulliMike23 6 років тому +23

    I still await your analyzation of the United Federation of Planets, the Earth Alliance from Babylon 5, the Principality of Zeon, ZAFT, GDI, The Galactic Empire, the Earth Federation from Mobile Suit Gundam, and many other factions.

  • @tristenvena6605
    @tristenvena6605 6 років тому +5

    The Maquis was such a badass subplot through out the TNG era of Star Trek. I loved it every time an episode dealt with the Maquis. And this was a fantastic video about them!

  • @blixer8384
    @blixer8384 3 роки тому +6

    The ultimate failure of the Maquis was they didn’t know when to fight and when to negotiate. With the destruction of the Obsidian Order and the Overthrow of the Military Government the Maquis had a chance to negotiate with the Cardasians and establish their independence. Instead they decided that Ethnic Cleansing was the best strategy to gain their independence.
    They made the greatest mistake in the end, they chased an enemy they couldn’t beat into a corner.

  • @TailAbNormal
    @TailAbNormal 6 років тому +176

    I always hated how the Maquis ended up. They fought so hard for their freedom and in the end they just got massacred like it was nothing, it felt like their whole story-arc in both TNG and DS9 was for nothing. And then in Voyager all the Masquis crew just agreed to act like starfleet personal with almost no problems, it was such a let down.

    • @sergeantassassin3425
      @sergeantassassin3425 5 років тому +62

      That tends to happen when one of the big boys decides to get up and bitch-slap a burgeoning power so hard they cease to exist. Their story arc wasn't meaningless: it was a very poignant reminder that the underdog DOESN'T always win. There's a reason they're the underdog: the likelihood they're going to win is very, very slim. The Maquis only got as far as they did because Cardassia was transitioning from a competitive power in the Alpha Quadrant to a secondary power, unable to replace their losses and beleaguered on multiple sides from within and without. If it had been the Klingons, the Romulans or the Federation? Easily crushed.
      As for the Voyager Maquis, did they have much of a choice? Their single Maquis Raider couldn't support all of the Maquis people that had been taken by the Caretaker Array, and Voyager itself was the only friendly-ish ship for lightyears in every direction. They had two 'choices': stay on Voyager and abide by Federation/Starfleet rules and policies, or leave and effectively remain stranded in the Delta Quadrant forever.
      When your ONLY ticket home happens to be someone you're not on the best terms with, you swallow your differences and do what needs to be done to get home. It wasn't 'a let down', it was the smartest choice they could have made.

    • @Fenris77
      @Fenris77 4 роки тому +7

      @@sergeantassassin3425 Indeed.
      And in the end the Cardassians to quote Garak "Poetic justice" - got almost the same treatment...

    • @sergeantassassin3425
      @sergeantassassin3425 4 роки тому +16

      @@Fenris77 Right. As I'd said, the Cardassians were already in the process of going from a primary to a secondary power in the galaxy. Their technology was stagnating to such a degree that the other three neighboring powers could field their non-top-tier starships against the best the Cardassians had to offer and usually come away with only minor casualties. A Nebula-class from the Federation could take on multiple Cardassian battle cruisers without suffering much, if any, damage, and that was WITH the Enterprise giving out information to purposefully aid the Cardassians (TNG: The Wounded).
      Internally, they were being torn apart from constant strife, with the Obsidian Order being a watered-down, inferior version of the Tal Shiar, yet causing almost as much damage to their own people/government as their enemies. Things like trust, loyalty, devotion, etc? Scarce in the Cardassian Union. All of this combined to severely hamper, hinder, and ultimately weaken the Cardassians to a point where they couldn't sustain the territories they'd once contested, including the Federation/Cardassian border. The Dominion just took advantage of a weakening power, gave them steroids, then cut them down when they proved useless.

    • @jasonbelozer4854
      @jasonbelozer4854 4 роки тому

      You get stuck in borg space and rebel then. Really at that point chakotey, and torres were in a different situation then.

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh 4 роки тому +4

      they were in the Delta Quadrant with no Cardassian/Dominion presence. Chakotay and B'lanna were former Starfleet officers or trainees as were many of the Maquis, so they slotted right back into their roles.

  • @Doctorgeo7
    @Doctorgeo7 6 років тому +8

    Sometimes acting in the greater good causes only greater harm. A sad reality we live in, and one that the older Star Trek series wasn't afraid to point out.

  • @TheZombieman87
    @TheZombieman87 6 років тому +8

    While watching it, I always saw similarities between the Cardassian/federation colonist conflict and the real life Irish Troubles of 1969-1998.

  • @evag6370
    @evag6370 4 роки тому +4

    This would almost be a show worth watching, just in itself. I see hints of it Chakotay's responses to difficult events.

  • @jhmcd2
    @jhmcd2 6 років тому +8

    That speech at the end that Sisko gave was one of the best speeches in all of Star Trek history in my opinion It explains everything about the Federations, why they design their ships the way they do, why their captains and admirals some times go nuts, and why they are so resented yet loved at the same time. DS9 was the only Trek show that forces the franchise to take a look at the so call paradise it had made and see just how everyone else would view it.

  • @FrancisMarcosGaming
    @FrancisMarcosGaming 6 років тому +2

    i'd love to hear you talk about
    -the Volunteer Feline Detectives (A Series of Unfortunate Events)
    -Umbrella Corporation (Resident Evil)
    -Kirijo Group (Persona)
    -CEDA (Left 4 Dead)
    -Team Rainbow (Rainbow Six)
    -The IMF (Mission Impossible)

  • @DickbuttDirk
    @DickbuttDirk 6 років тому +48

    I've never heard Junta pronounced like that.

  • @alexandrearrive6199
    @alexandrearrive6199 6 років тому +16

    Have I already told you that you make incredible content, Templin Institute?

    • @TemplinInstitute
      @TemplinInstitute  6 років тому +8

      NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!

    • @alexandrearrive6199
      @alexandrearrive6199 6 років тому +6

      THEN I SHALL! *VOUS FAITES UN SUPERBE CONTENU, INSTITUT TEMPLIN! CONTINUEZ COMME CA, LA FRANCE VOUS SUPPORTE!*
      (translation : You make superb content, Templin Institute! Keep it up, France supports you!)

  • @patricklenigan1650
    @patricklenigan1650 6 років тому +154

    the story of the Maquis is truly one of tragedy, to be honest...

    • @ojisanhoward8940
      @ojisanhoward8940 6 років тому +3

      Patrick Lenigan more the story of stupidity. They decided to remain on those colonies and become Cardassian. They could have relocated and remained Federation citizens! Oh and in case you ask YES! I would have taken the offer. There was no way in hell former federation citizens would be treated well in Cardassian rule. Especially after the war.

    • @Turd_Ferguson538
      @Turd_Ferguson538 5 років тому +23

      Why should people be forced to flee their homes? Your home is yours and you should fight to the death for it especially in the face of tyranny.
      It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

    • @Fenris77
      @Fenris77 4 роки тому +4

      @@Turd_Ferguson538 Indeed.

    • @Fenris77
      @Fenris77 4 роки тому +10

      @@ojisanhoward8940 The stupidity was the Federation's or rather its cowardess in the face of an enemy they should have easily crushed.
      And giving up one's home ain't that easy, sure to the wimps on Earth it made perfect sense as they never had to work or suffer any of their selfish choices.

    • @ojisanhoward8940
      @ojisanhoward8940 4 роки тому

      @@Fenris77 The instinct for survival is stronger dieing under the rule of a species who doesn't care about yours is all the motivation I need to leave. I will of course concede to your 1st point.

  • @Sintar07
    @Sintar07 2 роки тому +6

    The Maquis did nothing wrong. You can't change my mind.

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 6 років тому +11

    Politely requesting;
    Decepticons (Transformers)
    Cybrids (Earthsiege/Starsiege/Tribes)
    The Gorn hegemony (Star Trek)
    The Empire of the Hand (Star Wars Legends)
    Admittedly I'm worried asking for the Decepticons might be a bit out of your depth, no offence of course.

  • @anwarsentinel1752
    @anwarsentinel1752 2 роки тому +7

    "it's easy to be a saint in paradise" so much wisdom in oldtrek....stark contrast to now.

  • @nerv5th
    @nerv5th 6 років тому +2

    I love when you are using the Ultramar theme in the background great job Templin institute another excellent video !

  • @StarGundam007
    @StarGundam007 6 років тому +7

    #MaquisDidNothingWrong

  • @thehighguarduk4820
    @thehighguarduk4820 6 років тому +3

    Great video really enjoyed! The Maquis were a fascinating group, its a shame the federation and Starfleet did not help them when they could have. I dont know if you have already done this but if not a video about Section 31 would be amazing!

    • @qasimmir7117
      @qasimmir7117 2 роки тому +2

      The Federation could’ve helped them by not signing the treaty and fought for a victory.

  • @moonsorrow77
    @moonsorrow77 5 років тому +3

    I feel for the marquis..I would have join them as well..fight for freedom against tyranny..

  • @KertratsP
    @KertratsP 6 років тому +2

    Man, great stuff. I love this channel. You do a great job with your summaries. Love it!

  • @darthroden
    @darthroden 6 років тому +6

    The Marquis are a mixed bag depending upon the people involved:
    In many ways the Federation officers like Chakotay who sided with their homes and family over the Federation and Starfleet were little different than those Southern officers who resigned from the US military and joined the Confederacy to defend their separated States and homes during the American Civil War. There is no dishonor there, even if one cannot agree with the goals of the Marquis, or the idea of leaving Starfleet and fighting against it, at least Chakotay didn't commit acts of aggression against the UFP or attack colonies, merely defended his home from what he saw as an invasion either from Starfleet runabouts or Cardassian warships.
    A guy like Eddington who used his position to steal industrial replicators and then betray his friends before showing his true colors was nothing more than a terrorist. Frankly a person like him would deserve to live under Cardassian law. He was an arrogant, self-involved narcissist who saw the whole thing as a game with him playing the part of the white knight and The Emissary as the part of the antagonist. He used bioweapons against colonies of Cardassians, many of them also settlers who probably had no role in their government's actions and were just as much victims of the whole affair as the Marquis themselves.
    There is no black and white here, too many shades of gray -- Garak would probably be more than happy to tell you how many over lunch at the Replomat.

  • @thecoreprotectorate7836
    @thecoreprotectorate7836 6 років тому +1

    The Cardassians are one of my favourite sci-fi species. So many great stories that included them. DS9 and TNG were absolutely amazing!

  • @kevinle3426
    @kevinle3426 6 років тому +11

    Do you think that you can do any of the major countries in Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg? There’s already plenty of lore to cover, and it’d be great if you guys could make a video on it.

  • @blueknight5754
    @blueknight5754 6 років тому +1

    I know that I’m late to your channel but I wanted to say that you guys do an excellent job and I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos..the backstory on different sci-fi topics are well thought out and put together..please keep this going!

  • @vincentgregory1470
    @vincentgregory1470 6 років тому +2

    I'm in awe at this. Excellent work Templin.

  • @RKNGL
    @RKNGL 6 років тому +3

    The Price of Peace and that of our Rent is Too Damn High!
    ~Cpt. Jimmy McMillan

  • @RusS1482
    @RusS1482 6 років тому +1

    Wish you guys got more exposure, love these videos and watch every one. Keep up the fantastic work lads.

  • @Mahbu
    @Mahbu 6 років тому +2

    The interesting thing about the real world maquis is that the french resistance was not a unified body but more like disparate groups who would fight each other nearly as much as the nazis.

  • @jacques8221
    @jacques8221 6 років тому +2

    " Le Maquis " whas the wilderness where the french resistance hid if I'm not mistaken.

  • @Revkor
    @Revkor 6 років тому +43

    The Maquis showed the complete failure of the federation's mentality during the TNG era

    • @jimtaylor294
      @jimtaylor294 3 роки тому +1

      Or: why loopholes in treaties can have dire concequences, and leave people trapped between a rock and a hardplace.

  • @lanokianakachiev6543
    @lanokianakachiev6543 6 років тому +14

    You guys produce good content... she's got a great voice. Gives me goosebumps at times.

  • @Jaegerwolf
    @Jaegerwolf 6 років тому +1

    Would love something from the Battletech or Heavy Gear Universes. There are a bunch of factions in each that could be worth covering.

  • @arthurbrandonnielsen
    @arthurbrandonnielsen Рік тому +3

    I still argue that one of the biggest downfalls of the Maquis was Eddington. The man had a massive martyr complex, claiming the Maquis just wanted, "the Federation to leave us alone," but then proceeded to persistently return to taunt the Federation, and Sisko personally. He wanted Sisko to be his personal villain so badly, that Sisko eventually granted him his wish.

  • @SwiftGundam
    @SwiftGundam 6 років тому +26

    What one’s makes of groups like the Maquis is up to the individuals. And cruelest of all, history books.
    So how long till we see a video on the Oasis?

  • @colmorourke4031
    @colmorourke4031 6 років тому +14

    The Golden Company - A song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones

    • @TemplinInstitute
      @TemplinInstitute  6 років тому +7

      "Beneath the gold, the bitter steel!"

    • @TheJarric
      @TheJarric 6 років тому +1

      vs black company from black company series

    • @kokopelli0815
      @kokopelli0815 5 років тому +1

      That would be one short video...

  • @15oClock
    @15oClock 6 років тому +3

    I'd love to use this as a point of reference for writing the Rebel Alliance, save maybe the third party interference.

  • @zsedcftglkjh
    @zsedcftglkjh 5 років тому +4

    Peace at all costs: a cowards policy.

    • @silvertemplar8061
      @silvertemplar8061 5 років тому +2

      Zachary Holler for sure. Same thing happened before WW2 with policy of appeasement.

  • @freddocorleone1
    @freddocorleone1 6 років тому +2

    Maquis till death. People fighting for the people.

  • @avengermkii7872
    @avengermkii7872 6 років тому +8

    Have you ever read Les Miserables?

  • @silvertemplar8061
    @silvertemplar8061 5 років тому +1

    I hope the dream of the Maquis will be resurrected, and the strong idea of freedom and to stand up against oppression.

  • @juliang7807
    @juliang7807 4 роки тому +1

    Maquis, French: underbrush. Maquisarde, maquis member, "person from the underbrush."

  • @nolanbeardy8212
    @nolanbeardy8212 6 років тому

    Star Trek Deep Space Nine Was a Really Awesome Series. It really shattered the Federations Peaceful point of view and not only that it made The Federation create Military Warships like the Defiant completely making the Federation break their Only Scientific and Exploration Star Ship Doctrine No Warship Path Imagine. once the Dominion War Started Poof a Prototype Defiant Rolls off the Shipyard and Improvements soon after. These small Corsair size Ships Quickly Making their Galaxy Class Ships look like Cruise Liners (well they kinda are).

  • @josephhicks6445
    @josephhicks6445 Рік тому

    At the height of their power the Maquis were swiftly and brutally annihilated. Their legacy is to serve as a reminder that victory is never certain and the price of freedom can only be paid in blood.
    Video suggestion the Cardassian Liberation Front

  • @Gardner1701
    @Gardner1701 6 років тому +6

    If I had my way, I’d hand the Maquis every decommissioned starships for them to modify and use against the Dominion, and the DMZ would be saved and realized

  • @TheMaghorn
    @TheMaghorn 6 років тому +1

    Would love to see you guys do an overview of the Clans from Battletech. :D

  • @chrisgreen6222
    @chrisgreen6222 6 років тому +7

    Can you do an esipode on the Umbrella Corporation

  • @TheNN
    @TheNN 6 років тому +1

    "Are you questioning Federation policy?" - Admiral Alynna 'Grade-A Bitch' Nechayev

  • @silvertemplar8061
    @silvertemplar8061 5 років тому +2

    It’s easy for people to say the Maquis where antagonistic. But it seems as though it was mixed with revolutionaries on one hand the other where xenophobic terrorists, against the Cardassians.

  • @jombones3324
    @jombones3324 6 років тому

    Great video, you explained the relatively underdeveloped Maquis with surprisingly well researched depth. Have you ever considered a video on the League of 20,000 Planets from Lexx, or something equally weird from that series?

  • @calebcrider4688
    @calebcrider4688 6 років тому +1

    Fantastic as always! When's Gondor getting some love?

  • @LordProteus
    @LordProteus 6 років тому +3

    The Maqis were wrong, and they died for it. For the aggression and "integrity" of a few people, they sentenced millions of civilians to death. I'm sure the women and children did not get a say in if they stayed and fought.

  • @aiosquadron
    @aiosquadron 3 роки тому +1

    **Salutes for the Maquiz**

  • @datfisheboi6519
    @datfisheboi6519 6 років тому +61

    Military “Junkta”?

    • @superdupergrover9857
      @superdupergrover9857 6 років тому +22

      a quick search online revealed it is supposed to be ' *junta* ' not 'junkta'
      junta is a more concise word for dictatorship, especially a military one.

    • @datfisheboi6519
      @datfisheboi6519 6 років тому +21

      superdupergrover I know, it’s what I heard. And it’s pronounced “Hunta”, as far as I know, because of its Spanish origins.

    • @thschnick
      @thschnick 6 років тому +6

      I think it's officially pronounced hunta but (j)unta is what it is often pronounced in countries that don't pronounce "j"s as "h"s like in south america were everyone speaks spanish.

    • @datfisheboi6519
      @datfisheboi6519 6 років тому +1

      Schnick A lot of people pronounce it “Hunta” here in America, too. However, I live in a place with a lot of Latino immigrants so my view may be skewed.

    • @eatgreencrayons
      @eatgreencrayons 6 років тому +9

      Also junta literally means "union" in Spanish, making it all the more fitting for the Cardassian Union.

  • @bebop34
    @bebop34 2 місяці тому

    Admiral Nechayev's character was expertly cast.

  • @lordpacer
    @lordpacer 6 років тому +1

    I cant get over how much I like her narration voice

  • @Bastit3hman
    @Bastit3hman 6 років тому +76

    It's interesting that every one of your videos has a bias towards whichever group you are presenting on. It's actually really cool to see imo. Though I will say that the Maquis lost my sympathies when they decided to exterminate entire planetary populations.

    • @TheJarric
      @TheJarric 6 років тому +12

      it made it toxic so they had to move besides fed did exatly the same

    • @Ares99999
      @Ares99999 6 років тому +7

      +The Jarric Sisko did it. Once. To make a point that he could play that game. The game ended there.

    • @TheJarric
      @TheJarric 6 років тому +3

      he still used chemical waepons agenst civilians he used it once cause leader relented this gives no moral high ground to feds

    • @darthcole4668
      @darthcole4668 6 років тому +7

      The Maquis did nothing wrong.

    • @Ares99999
      @Ares99999 6 років тому

      +The Jarric Moot point. They're all dead now. The Dominion at least did one thing right by wiping them all out.

  • @noahhorner231
    @noahhorner231 6 років тому +1

    As a whole, the Maquis were the good guys. Eddington was an his cell were not, ie the bioweapon, but the other cells just wanted to be free.

    • @MijmerMopper
      @MijmerMopper Рік тому

      They could have been free. Starfleet would have likely given them a free taxi to any of the planets and colonys not in contested area between interstellar superpowers.

  • @Amoth_oth_ras_shash
    @Amoth_oth_ras_shash Рік тому +1

    its actually a bit strange that the federation just leet it slide how the cardasians not honored the treaty's... not for any goody two shoess reasons... but to ensure they not caused resource drains for pointless pride that just be harvested in a moments notice if the borg decided to attack with more then was needed... since the dominion might been scary ,but agenst 'proper' borg ? ...nothing but a road bump
    so considering the new threats , pointing out that the federation not could 'spare' any of its military assets to police the 'others' territory for them... but its behaviour also tied the federations hands

  • @willhuey
    @willhuey 5 днів тому

    In the pale moonlight oh boy that episode sisko was willing to poison a homeworld just to drive out eddington

  • @permeus2nd
    @permeus2nd 6 років тому

    8:04 and that right there is why you should be careful just how far you push someone.

  • @jeepinbanditrider
    @jeepinbanditrider 6 років тому +3

    Appeasing the tyrannical never works

    • @LordProteus
      @LordProteus 6 років тому

      Deliberately inviting them to war is a pretty bad idea though.
      Everyone dies or nobody dies. Tough choice...

  • @redbluesandmoons7478
    @redbluesandmoons7478 6 років тому +1

    Long live The Maquis!

  • @LordyT34
    @LordyT34 3 роки тому

    I feel like I'm in Starfleet Academy history class with this channel

  • @Klipik12
    @Klipik12 6 років тому +2

    The Maquis are literally just the rebellion from rogue one. The only difference is they're stuck between two factions instead of just one, and one of them isn't evil, just incompetent.

  • @rogermon3s141
    @rogermon3s141 6 років тому +3

    You shod do one on the Nazis from Wolfenstine.

  • @eagle10799
    @eagle10799 6 років тому +13

    The Sith Empire from Star Wars

    • @williamnorton9547
      @williamnorton9547 6 років тому

      Jackson Eagle
      I ask the same for the Yuuzhan Vong.

  • @drhollidayproduction
    @drhollidayproduction 6 років тому +6

    You should do the school of the wolf from the Witcher in the future! :)

    • @grlt23
      @grlt23 6 років тому

      Oh yes.... I am kicking myself in the ass for not thinking about it before :D

  • @silver5341
    @silver5341 6 років тому +2

    You should cover something from Dead Space.

  • @bofabett2346
    @bofabett2346 6 років тому

    You guys should cover Cipher/The Patriots from the Metal Gear Franchise. It's a rich series with a lot of background that would make for a great Templin Institute format video.

  • @spencergregory8049
    @spencergregory8049 3 роки тому

    Would love to see a Maquis TV show. Kind of in the same gritty vein as the Mandolorian. It would have a lot potential.

    • @explosivemodesonicmauricet1597
      @explosivemodesonicmauricet1597 3 роки тому

      Hahahahahaha Maquis as the ST counterpart of Mandalorian.
      Except Maquis is some sort of standard rebel cell while Mandalorian is more of a semi-religious mercenary group.

    • @spencergregory8049
      @spencergregory8049 3 роки тому +1

      @@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597 hahaha.... D***! The same veign as in a TV show format and exploring a more personal aspect of a character. Like the mandolorian.

  • @shaundis2117
    @shaundis2117 6 років тому

    excellent work as always

  • @herrdoctor2895
    @herrdoctor2895 2 роки тому +1

    Damn bro, didn't know the Kardashians change their name and facial features, those surgeons must be expensive

  • @braderickson9996
    @braderickson9996 6 років тому

    Nice to see the Maquis story.

  • @shadowsift
    @shadowsift 6 років тому +1

    Best narrator

  • @stephanstofberg8643
    @stephanstofberg8643 6 років тому +3

    Please make a video about the Imperium in Dune

  • @forestjohnson7474
    @forestjohnson7474 10 місяців тому

    I think a close look at this fictional conflict would do many well, in the current world situation.

  • @cmoney3163
    @cmoney3163 6 років тому +2

    Do an episode on the Mages Association from Fate/ Stay Night.

  • @Skybaby79
    @Skybaby79 6 років тому

    Superb work
    Paradise at the expense of others isn't "Paradise" ...... it's a Parasite.

  • @RealityIsTheNow
    @RealityIsTheNow 6 років тому

    EXCELLENT work.

  • @mainenwo
    @mainenwo 4 роки тому

    this video was very nicely done

  • @rosembergarias50
    @rosembergarias50 5 років тому

    The maquis need it a special series connected at the end with voyager giving the voyager series a better story and deep concepts of a Federation breaking and allowing the Borgs to attack a weak Federation.

  • @Helman114
    @Helman114 5 років тому

    Somehow, "doing everything in order to survive" automatically nullifies all the monstrous sins you commit while "doing everything in order to survive". What is the point of survival if you end up no better, nay *worse* , than even your most hated enemy?

  • @Drusan36
    @Drusan36 6 років тому

    I would love a Eldar craftworld video. Maybe Ulthwe since it's got a lot of pivotal history and characters. I know it's not a vote here on UA-cam just an idea for those who can vote.

  • @flerma223
    @flerma223 6 років тому

    The Maquis were a worthwhile organization that fought for freedom and decency.

  • @Transmissional
    @Transmissional 6 років тому

    yay for star trek lore!

  • @MicolashHostOfTheNightmare531
    @MicolashHostOfTheNightmare531 6 років тому

    The Belkan War and Circum-Pacific Conflict! Do it!

  • @nocelebrity6042
    @nocelebrity6042 6 років тому

    You should've mentioned how Sisko countered Eddington's biogenic weapon strategy with the Defiant.

  • @darnchacha1632
    @darnchacha1632 2 роки тому

    I always love the maquis as a sort of exploration of How starfleet Diplomacy and non intervention policies could be a tool for Suffering and oppression, and just sort of being wiped out off screen has always sat wrong with me and felt like wasted potential.