I grew up in Portland Oregon, and Swedens always been a place I’ve wanted to visit, even before I came across Stefan’s channel about 3 years ago. I overall just find everything about the country so incredible. And recently got back into teaching myself Swedish.
Absolutely vålkommen :P Just dont expect the true Sweden, two failed abortions for politicians just ruined the country in any possible way, but still i think you'll find what you looking for compared to the american dream that turned into a nightmare. and freedom went way to far in so many ways.
What all cities should strive for, with good affordable (maybe free in the future) public transport we can make cities better places to live while reducing our impact on the enviorment.
A real-life experience from a global company I worked at. It has sites al around the world, but the hubs are in Sweden, UK and US: Those three sites were looking into a new area for research (with IT) side by side without talking to each other, but after a year we had a first net meeting just to exchange ideas, and all three sites had a presentation. Sweden: “We have some thoughts within the area and believe it can in the future be an important part in the company.” UK: “We have done a lot and contribute to the business.” US: “This is already a fundamental part of the core business, and we cannot be without it.” This was a IT system, and the next question from us was if US could show a demo in the net-meeting of what they have done but they could not, we gave same question to UK and nor could they. It turnout that: US: They had just got financing and start to look for licenses for the data to import. UK: Had just defined the project organisation and making a budget. Sweden: We had a prototype up and running, with data that the core-business was using and had done for month. It is very important to understand culture differences when making decisions; what sites solution would you choice if you just heard the presentations?
That is so Swedish. Jantelagen in practise. Competitiveness in Sweden is about quietly developing something and sharing the process so everybody learns & benefits. So they develop & 'teach' a competitive edge vs competitors as a collective without the same hardcore 'competition' evident in other countries. You would never say "I have this idea" or "I would do this". You would rather frame it as "I would like to suggest this for consideration.". And then they sit in silence whilst there is a kind of Ent-like circuitous conversation that allows everyone time to make suggestions or suggest refinements - not criticisms, but explore the merits & suggest solutions. If you criticise that is 'mobbning' (bullying) and you can lose your job over that. As someone who lived all my business career in a highly competitive dog-eat-dog environment where your goal is to be singled out for advancement, Swedish people really echo an ages old dependency on each other. I put this down to the weather, esp in the north of Sweden. In the long harsh dark winters back in time (and still today in villages dotted all over the place through the countryside) you survive only because you lean on & collaborate with each other. Living in the country in Sweden involves constant very physical labour (shovelling snow, DIY, fixing rooves & replacing old wooden boards to the houses, tending to animals, chopping wood, etc). The elderly & frail are automatically considered & cared for by their neighbours so that everyone in the community thrives together. This is absolutely reflected in their social welfare system and business practices.
Such a nice brother-ship you two have towards each other ❤ I wish i had a sibling like that. And very good observations about Swedish culture, you are observante
Jantelagen isn't really the origin of the mentality or anything like that. It's from a danish novel which serves to reflect on and even criticize the mentality that already exists in Scandinavian culture.
@@GeneRauXxX Almost no one "likes" jantelagen. It's usually used as a sarcasm for describing certain behaviours, much like it was in that novel by Sandemose that coined it.
@@GeneRauXxX I would say it has already changed, quite a bit. (Sweden is also among the european countries with the largest differences in accumulated wealth between rich and poor, so pretty contrary to how it is usually portrayed.) Jante may perhaps still be more prominent here than in many other countries, but at the same time not in any way unique to Scandinavia either.
Not taking the last bite of the food is a gesture of courtesy to the host couple who mark that they have not skimped but that they have offered enough food and that all the guests are satisfied. It can be called the convention bit. It's an old tradition.
I’m born and grew up in Stockholm, got my drivers license at 45, never needed one before. As didn’t most of my family. Then with kids and living in the suburbs and a country house outside Stockholm it got convenient, but you really get a long way without it. One thing, besides public transportation, is the fact that European cities, like Stockholm, is so much more densely populated. I compared Stockholm with Portland, and the inner city, and even the urban Stockholm with 1,6M inhabitants, are much more densely populated than Portland. Which means shorter distances to everything in comparison.
Samma här, uppvuxen söder om Stockholm, många i min familj har inte körkort för vi är så vana att åka kollektivt. Flyttade till ett område där det var sämre förbindelser och blev typ "tvungen" att ta körkort när jag var 37. Är nu snart 44 år och känner mig super vuxen när jag kör runt i min bil 😂
In north of Sweden where i live in Strömsund, Jämtland you do really need a car. We dont have buses that goes that often and no tunnelbana. Nearest BB and Hospital is 100 km from us. So it depends where you live in sweden
So funny listening to you and your brother, to compare the dialect or tone of your voices. I mean, the pronunciation is the same American English but the "melody" of your voice is Swedish. Makes me wonder how my Swedish sound compared with my mates back home. I grew up in Jokkmokk (inlands, northwest of Piteå) just north of the Arctic Circle but have been living in Far North Queensland, Australia for ~20 years.
It is a really good idea to see places OUTSIDE of Stockhol, it really is important to se MORE than just Södermalm and the central parts of Stockholm. Take the train to Gothenburgh, plot a daytrip to a smaller place. Ask around where to see different things. Dare to be "lost". Have a wonderful trip! ;-)
The “trailer” is included in the exam because anyone with a “B” license is allowed to tow a trailer behind a car. Some people that don’t have a towing device on their car can rent one when they need a trailer. Heavy trailer, though, takes a special license.
And regarding different licenses for manual and automatic is obviously for safety. As he said, he can drive stick but he´s not very good at it so that might be dangerous if something sudden occurs while driving. And knowing the weight limits for your car as well as the trailer is for safety as well as it tells you what the max limit is for your car and/or trailer to be able to behave properbly on the road. Safety is the name of the game here(slightly over the top sometimes though lol). I think there is like a zero accident tolerancy aim here which we´ll never reach but striving for it still reduces accidents.
Dont forget to check the mirrors when u drive, you have to make sure the guy riding with you sees that. Thats a big no no to miss and easy for an experienced driver not to think about, dont be too confident and drive like you normally do..... Drive with everything in mind really showing that you have actually learned everything you need to know. =) just a tip, i know tons of people failing on the mirrors. Good luck!
Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the differences between Swedish and American Culture according to Hofstede’s six cultural dimensions. Do you agree with the ’ratings’ and what manifestations of these dimensions can you observe in the daily lives of swedes/americans?
Maybe I'm way off but I think that the way to "be successful" in the US needs for you to stand out whilst in Sweden it doesn't. It feels like it's about being above average in the US. You're successful if you're in the top 20% of soccer players, you're successful if you're top 20% of youtubers and for you to get there you have to be noticed and get attention. Maybe it's not that strict in the personal life but it's still the societal opinion about it. At least so that you wouldn't have to worry so much financially if you'd need a big surgery or whatever, you might have to plan a bit around it but it wouldn't be crippling. In Sweden it seems like the goal for many is just a stable life, you don't really need that much as long as you're content and don't have to worry about too much. That's what I think many of us considers to be "success".
I would love to meet the two of you. You seem to be such great people. I live in the suburbs of Stockholm. I would love to take the two of you to my favorite restaurant in gamla stan. Its called sjätte tunnan and is a medievil style resturant located close to the station.
If you like Stockholm and its history you have to read three books by Niklas Natt och Dag (yes, that's his name), "1793", "1794", and "1795". And also listen to Bellman (in English, he has been translated) if you want to walk in Gamla Stan and see the places where he walked and played.
Very interesting to hear talk about football/soccer. As a former player and coach it's an interest of mine. Maybe your brother would have a great education to get in Sweden. Most of the football clubs pays for your education to get a trainer licens even in lower clubs. It's many years now but I would be going on with to be responsible for a div4 lower league club to go any further. And if he's a good player as well you could combine study with football and even coaching younger teams. It's less and less coaches and people that do these things. And especially if planing to get back to the US with that knowledge would be huge. It's fun to see and hear what you notice in the difference between cultures. Great video and have a great time in Sweden!
Haha about the fashion thing, that makes a lot of sense! I live in Phoenix, Arizona and it gets HOT here. Like, up to 120 F hot. It's so hard to dress nicely when it's hot, that's why I love fall and winter.
In U.S., the driving part of the test basically consists of making a few turns, signaling, backing up and parking along a paved roadway at the DMV; over in a few minutes. Norway, you have to show proficiency driving in daylight and at night; in different weather conditions such as rain, snow and ice!😳
Can confirm the convenience of having a car in the suburbs. The commuter rail, also known as “pendeltåg” in Stockholm has its own problems with the delays and signal failure bs. Still, the congestion tax that just charges you for entering inside the ring road kinda discourages you to get a car here…
I'm fascinated by your talk about people being well-dressed. It's not the first time you've mentioned it. Do you feel like it applies only to Stockholm, or to Sweden as a whole? Because I live in Malmö, and never in my life have I felt like we're particularly well-dressed. My office's unofficial dress code, for example (I'm the gaming industry, so like...) is mostly various flavours of hoodies and jeans. When we went to Copenhagen with some new employees from abroad, they felt like people there were dressed differently, like more athleisure and smart casual, than in Malmö. Might it be some kind of big city middle-class thing that is shared by Copenhagen and Stockholm, but not Malmö?
Hmm interesting point maybe it's the " middle-class thing" as you named it or maybe because he lives in the city centre and usually in the big cities centres (especially the capital) you would find government officials like perlimant members, presidents, Kings! and Queens!, foreign embassies, international companies..etc. Stefan always mentions in his videos that he likes big cities and centres so my guessing if he gets a little bit far from the centre he might notice something different. I don't live in Stockholm but noticed something similar here in Göteborg that as close as you get to the city centre everything starts to change (including people's dress style) . But all in all swedes are in good shape and they take care of their look ... so don't worry you're good 😉 and at the end of the day who cares what you are doing with your look "nowadays"
@@yousifbabiker1807 I live in a rural town in Sweden. Most rural towns here in Sweden don't bother about dressingcodes and what's fashionable or appropriate. Most of us are dressed down or cassual. If wer'e going to the cities, in particular Stockholm, we allways have to dress up. Dress up by countrysidestandards to meet the minimal dresscodes that is in Stockholm to be appropriate. In countryside: Dress in whatever clothes you want and relax about it. In Stockholm: Never dress down, only dress up.
In Umeå were i live we always take the bicycle. Stockholm is a big city and Umeå has only 120.000 people. Im 40 and i haven`t got any driverlicense. If you travel north you will understand the power of the fresh air and not so many people.
So I’ve realised before that you had a really cool bro but I haden’t realised that he is so smart. You two make a a really good tag team . Really , really nice to be able to have real conversations exchange of minds and just fun.
I appreciate that you like how teams can go between the series systems in sports. Unfortunately, there are those who want to close some leagues according to the American model. But after Djurgården lost to Timrå, there is now no Stockholm team in the SHL, the highest league in hockey, so it will hopefully be a while before that happens.👍
Hey, I live in L.A. without a car. 5 pm Friday, a bicycle is the fastest way (OK a motorcycle or a helicopter) to get around. In Stockholm I had a car and later a big Mercedes van that I lived in, it was great, you never had to drive home. Later (and before, too) in Stockholm, bicycle.
I like T-shirts but i wants to have proper ones when i am around other people. But outside of Stockholm it is not important to look proper all the time, unless you apply for a job or are studying on university or similar.
I have a vivid memory of when your brother couldn’t come visit cuz of Covid. I follow you on Instagram and I remember reading your story about it and panicking. I had booked a trip last September to see my Swedish partner and they closed borders 2 weeks before my trip. We were devastated… I finally got to see him in April and then again June to July :D. So I feel the struggle for sure.. we were apart for 2 years and 3 months
So cool! I'm a Swede who used to be married to an American and we lived in Vancouver, WA (Camas to be fair). I took busses now and then though, or biked (to 24hr fitness for ex). Always bus and train to college in Portland. Let me know if you want to go for a drink in Stockholm and reminisce about the PNW!
Hmmm 🤔 We need a license here in Sweden as well it is hard to get by if you live on the land side cause then busses, trains aren’t going as often and to get to a friends house you needed your parents to drive more often then not. But yeah the driver license is hard to get by but I took it at 19 and many of my friends took it at 18-19 as well. If you live in the big city’s you don’t really need it and then not as many people are taking it then. For example how many people in New York has a driving license? 😅
Nice post, keep it up. With regards to the no. 10 jersey though - it's a matter of respect and the fact that it will give you the position of playmaker behind the strikers, linking up in attack and also have an overall smooth foot/way of playing. If there's no player that can actually step up and play as number ten, no one will.
We have different types of driving licenses in the US depending on the type of vehicle and what you plan do with the vehicle. Do they have different types of licenses in Sweden?
Double trouble with the Thyron's! I thought you're brother lived in Germany? I assume he stayed there for work temporarily? Anyways, I always enjoy seeing you're videos looking forward to the next one :). Next month I myself will be going through the process of moving to Sweden to my sambo. Also, good luck with the process of getting you're license I herd it can be pretty expensive please keep us updated!
If you take your driving license in automatic you can only drive automatic cars. however if you take your driving license with manual your allowed to drive both manual and automatic. Just wanted to notify you couse you said you took it with automatic.
Automatic car is definitely a much more comfortable choice in my opinion. But you are not allowed to drive a manual car if you take your license for an automatic car. However, if you decide to take your license for a manual car, the automatic license is included. So this is why most people will take their license for a manual car and go through all this pain to get it. :) Not that there's no pain in an automatic license as well, but when it comes to the driving part you remove 2 crucial elements, clutch and changing gears. Not to mention there's 3 stages to the clutch. :) I remember I had quite the issue with getting this into myself after driving an automatic moped for 6 years or so, and because of this, I broke my dad's clutch on the car I was practice driving with, let's just say he was not happy. xD
Thanks for the mention lads. Feel free to take me clothes shopping whenever you’d like 🤣 I need some advice on that coat hahaha. Quality video though boys well done!
Omg ! I remember the first time your brother came here... Time flies! Its so great to hear about all the things you like about my favourite place on earth! I am over 40 and still dont have my drivers licence... hahaha Its going to be fun to watch your upcoming adventures here in Stockholm. Take care!
It is considered rude to take the last piece on the plate as it should be left for the person that is really hungry or has not yet had their share. If you take it just because you think it tastes good and want more without asking the others you are sharing it with then you are considered greedy and selfish. It comes from a time when a full belly was not something you could count on every day and a group/family had to share the resources they had. Swedes often do not even think about/register that they leave the last piece. In a workplace fika or similar the last piece can be divided many times over in order to always leave a piece, right up until a cake/bun/pie is just crumbles left 🙂 The general rule though is leave it be if you had your share and are somewhat satisfied. If you had your share and are not yet saticfied then wait until everybody else have gotten their share and wait for a bit longer and then ask if someone want to share that last piece with you.
Haha I remember a few years back when I was in spain and had to buy sun protection. And the dude was like "oh this is for foreign skin", and it didnt connect for me first that I was foreign in thier country. So I looked at him like wtf? And when it clicked, me and him both started to laugh like hell😂
You two don't know much, in fact in Stockholm it's different then the rest of Sweden. I can't talk about more south but in northern Sweden you can dress however you like and you need a car to get around because it's not even sure if the bus go the day you need to get to a place. In Stockholm everything have to be "perfect" meanwhile here in the north you can be whoever you want, t-shirt and jeans is really fancy here
@@DivanVisagie yes I have noticed that but I have even noticed that most of them are in Stockholm at least the ones I have seen that have been in Sweden and make an opinion from that. I could write a whole book about how different cities are in Sweden and how different people can be in Sweden but it's in fact a long country so we have different climates, mentalities, styles and of course dialects
Great video 😊 As I've said before: I'm getting more and more convinced that I'm not the typical Swede. The more you guys compared Sweden and America, the more I felt like the Swedish mindset about not standing out and so on isn't really my cup of tea. Personally I feel more and more American the more I hear about America in your videos 😅 lol And about the dating thing: I too have noticed that practically nobody makes an effort to get to know you or to make a move, and that's always frustated the heck out of me 😅 I'm over here like "Why TF can't you just be honest and say how you feel??" 😂😂
You should be concerned with the actual driving. You will fail if you hold the steering wheel in the "wrong" spot or don't check your mirrors in the "right" way for example.
I agree. Just book 2 - 3 sessions at nearest driving school to confirm that the way you're driving will be approved by Trafikverket when doing the test. Things like what RPM range you're shifting when going through gears counts too.
Not taking the last piece of food is very true and it can annoy me so much sometimes. For example if someone at work has baked muffins for everyone, at the end of the day it's not uncommon for it to be half (!) a muffin left on the plate. Just take the whole last muffin, damn it! 😆 I kinda suspect people do this to annoy everyone else. Maybe I'm the only one who's triggered...
🤣 That's so typical! Or the "should we share the last one?" pact with another speculant at the table because it would be so egotistical to take the last one without considering the others wishes. You certainly don't want to be viewed as that inconsiderate, callous prick! Someone might have been eying that remaining piece in silence but staved of their hunger out of politeness. So you better do the rounds and ask everyone if they're satisfied or would like to share the last one. But i guess it's kind of romantic in a sense. ☺
We Swedish people generally are mostly simple people, we generally do not feel like the urges/needs to be different. Just like for the sake of getting attention or standing out in a crowd. Flirting with Swedish girls in general, can be a pain in the ass to grab their attention to be fair. Sometimes they have certain 'requirements' for things like how you looks are like hair color or height/Weight. Other times they want a man who earns money or dresses very well. And other times they can just want attention and care and don't care about anything else like income, looks, style of clothing. It really is no set 'rules' on that part, the only kind of set rules if anything is to read 'non-verbal' communication of spoken attention or not etc.
I really don't mind people dressing good and having good taste in clothing but I think the mentality around it can create a rather negative spirit at times. Think about kids in school that always have to wear certain brands of clothing or buy new clothes as soon as a "style" is out of fashion. Can all families afford it? Does it really matter if little Emma or Adrian goes around in clothing that everyone had four months earlier? I never really understood that. It's not like they look homeless. They look just fine.. Just that mentality of looking like everyone else that can be bothersome. As adults I think some think too much about clothes as well. I mean.. Say it's a rainy day in the late fall. The streets are almost empty and you go to your near supermarket a few blocks away. Since there is nobody outside and you really don't care about "looking good" in the bad weather you go in just whatever you wear at home. Then you meet someone on the way that you know, which is more uncommon than common in those situations, and that person might judge you like "Oh. Adrian is wearing that old t-shirt and...". Really? Really? Because he went out a bad day in normal clothing?
To add onto your last point, in the Hockey league HV71 has won multiple championship golds in Sweden and they were relegated to the 2nd league so anything can happen
I knew an Italian, and he said they could tell an American from a local. Am American always wears Jeans and sneakers. He meant we dressed sloppy and We never make an effort to fit in to the countrywe'revisiting. I found it interesting his view from a European perspective.
Owning a car isn't something a lot of people can afford, so we might just not have the money to put into something else either. Low income equals you put about half your money on just having a place to live. Doesn't even have to be big or fancy, just somewhere to put your bed and close the door. Housing can be hard to find too, even if you've got a middle class income. They sold about half of the rental units from the public to private owners and they made them into something you have to buy and own instead of rent. A lot of older, affordable apartments were sold and converted into private units that you have to buy. So a deficit in affordable housing got even worse. Combined with not enough building of housing in general, and the houses being built are for the rich.
I grew up in Portland Oregon, and Swedens always been a place I’ve wanted to visit, even before I came across Stefan’s channel about 3 years ago. I overall just find everything about the country so incredible. And recently got back into teaching myself Swedish.
You are welcome to Sweden, even if Sweden is far from perfect, it´s still a good place to live.
As a Swede, thank you. Best of luck with your Swedish studies. Lycka till (good luck)!
Absolutely vålkommen :P Just dont expect the true Sweden, two failed abortions for politicians just ruined the country
in any possible way, but still i think you'll find what you looking for compared to the american dream that turned into a nightmare.
and freedom went way to far in so many ways.
It's not Sweden anymore but Swedistan.
@@yourealittlebitfat4344 With sadness inside: Amen.😓
If you havent done "halkkörning" yet PLEASE record it.
Not yet. I wonder if that’s allowed!
@@StefanThyron Det ska de vara.
Bra video ! :) du måste göra halkbanan. Den ingår i risk 2:an 🙃
@@StefanThyron
I've seen plenty of people record halkkörningen, it shouldn't be a problem. But of course, check with everyone involved first. 👍
Yes omg please do 🙏🏼
”Actually it is more convenient not to own a car” is what I love in a large amount of big European citys!
What all cities should strive for, with good affordable (maybe free in the future) public transport we can make cities better places to live while reducing our impact on the enviorment.
You are man? Or lady?
Hejsan Stefan ! Vilken underbar idé och vilket härligt äventyr för alla deltagare !! BRA JOBBAT :-)
A real-life experience from a global company I worked at. It has sites al around the world, but the hubs are in Sweden, UK and US:
Those three sites were looking into a new area for research (with IT) side by side without talking to each other, but after a year we had a first net meeting just to exchange ideas, and all three sites had a presentation.
Sweden: “We have some thoughts within the area and believe it can in the future be an important part in the company.”
UK: “We have done a lot and contribute to the business.”
US: “This is already a fundamental part of the core business, and we cannot be without it.”
This was a IT system, and the next question from us was if US could show a demo in the net-meeting of what they have done but they could not, we gave same question to UK and nor could they.
It turnout that:
US: They had just got financing and start to look for licenses for the data to import.
UK: Had just defined the project organisation and making a budget.
Sweden: We had a prototype up and running, with data that the core-business was using and had done for month.
It is very important to understand culture differences when making decisions; what sites solution would you choice if you just heard the presentations?
There is more honesty I feel like in Sweden. In the US there's a lot more of the "fake it 'till you make it" attitude.
The Swedes
That is so Swedish.
Jantelagen in practise.
Competitiveness in Sweden is about quietly developing something and sharing the process so everybody learns & benefits.
So they develop & 'teach' a competitive edge vs competitors as a collective without the same hardcore 'competition' evident in other countries.
You would never say "I have this idea" or "I would do this". You would rather frame it as "I would like to suggest this for consideration.". And then they sit in silence whilst there is a kind of Ent-like circuitous conversation that allows everyone time to make suggestions or suggest refinements - not criticisms, but explore the merits & suggest solutions.
If you criticise that is 'mobbning' (bullying) and you can lose your job over that.
As someone who lived all my business career in a highly competitive dog-eat-dog environment where your goal is to be singled out for advancement, Swedish people really echo an ages old dependency on each other.
I put this down to the weather, esp in the north of Sweden. In the long harsh dark winters back in time (and still today in villages dotted all over the place through the countryside) you survive only because you lean on & collaborate with each other.
Living in the country in Sweden involves constant very physical labour (shovelling snow, DIY, fixing rooves & replacing old wooden boards to the houses, tending to animals, chopping wood, etc). The elderly & frail are automatically considered & cared for by their neighbours so that everyone in the community thrives together.
This is absolutely reflected in their social welfare system and business practices.
Glad to see your brother back on the channel
he seems very sweet
I can see you guys have a really strong connections each other from the video!🧡 I’m just glad you guys could reunite again after this long pandemic! 🥺
Such interesting points!! I didn’t know about the sports aspect for example. Glad you enjoy your time here! ❤
Such a nice brother-ship you two have towards each other ❤ I wish i had a sibling like that.
And very good observations about Swedish culture, you are observante
Jantelagen isn't really the origin of the mentality or anything like that. It's from a danish novel which serves to reflect on and even criticize the mentality that already exists in Scandinavian culture.
Yes, it's like believing George Orwell's novell "1984" was the origin of big brother fascism.
Criticize it, hmm. You don’t like it then.interesting
@@GeneRauXxX Almost no one "likes" jantelagen. It's usually used as a sarcasm for describing certain behaviours, much like it was in that novel by Sandemose that coined it.
@@herrbonk3635 ok, I got it. You don’t like it but you don’t want to change it either, right?
@@GeneRauXxX I would say it has already changed, quite a bit. (Sweden is also among the european countries with the largest differences in accumulated wealth between rich and poor, so pretty contrary to how it is usually portrayed.) Jante may perhaps still be more prominent here than in many other countries, but at the same time not in any way unique to Scandinavia either.
Not taking the last bite of the food is a gesture of courtesy to the host couple who mark that they have not skimped but that they have offered enough food and that all the guests are satisfied. It can be called the convention bit. It's an old tradition.
I’m born and grew up in Stockholm, got my drivers license at 45, never needed one before. As didn’t most of my family. Then with kids and living in the suburbs and a country house outside Stockholm it got convenient, but you really get a long way without it. One thing, besides public transportation, is the fact that European cities, like Stockholm, is so much more densely populated. I compared Stockholm with Portland, and the inner city, and even the urban Stockholm with 1,6M inhabitants, are much more densely populated than Portland. Which means shorter distances to everything in comparison.
Samma här, uppvuxen söder om Stockholm, många i min familj har inte körkort för vi är så vana att åka kollektivt. Flyttade till ett område där det var sämre förbindelser och blev typ "tvungen" att ta körkort när jag var 37. Är nu snart 44 år och känner mig super vuxen när jag kör runt i min bil 😂
In north of Sweden where i live in Strömsund, Jämtland you do really need a car. We dont have buses that goes that often and no tunnelbana. Nearest BB and Hospital is 100 km from us. So it depends where you live in sweden
It's great to see bros reunited, especially two young handsome men like yourselves. There's nothing quite like Stockholm in the summer months.
Or norrland/norrbotten/Västerbotten vinter🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶❄️⛄️⛄️❄️☃️🌨☃️⛄️🌨☃️⛄️☃️🌨🌨🌨❄️☃️☃️⛄️🌨🌬
So funny listening to you and your brother, to compare the dialect or tone of your voices. I mean, the pronunciation is the same American English but the "melody" of your voice is Swedish. Makes me wonder how my Swedish sound compared with my mates back home. I grew up in Jokkmokk (inlands, northwest of Piteå) just north of the Arctic Circle but have been living in Far North Queensland, Australia for ~20 years.
Welcome back brother Thryon!
Hope you have a fun this time too 🖐
Booking my trip to stockholm for next summer really soon! Very excited got some family in Askersund that i’ve never met! Will be a great time
It is a really good idea to see places OUTSIDE of Stockhol, it really is important to se MORE than just Södermalm and the central parts of Stockholm. Take the train to Gothenburgh, plot a daytrip to a smaller place. Ask around where to see different things. Dare to be "lost". Have a wonderful trip! ;-)
The things you talk about , you could just as easily say about Denmark or Norway .. we are soo much alike in so many areas
A very interesting discussion. This was fun to listen to.
The “trailer” is included in the exam because anyone with a “B” license is allowed to tow a trailer behind a car. Some people that don’t have a towing device on their car can rent one when they need a trailer.
Heavy trailer, though, takes a special license.
And regarding different licenses for manual and automatic is obviously for safety. As he said, he can drive stick but he´s not very good at it so that might be dangerous if something sudden occurs while driving. And knowing the weight limits for your car as well as the trailer is for safety as well as it tells you what the max limit is for your car and/or trailer to be able to behave properbly on the road.
Safety is the name of the game here(slightly over the top sometimes though lol). I think there is like a zero accident tolerancy aim here which we´ll never reach but striving for it still reduces accidents.
Dont forget to check the mirrors when u drive, you have to make sure the guy riding with you sees that. Thats a big no no to miss and easy for an experienced driver not to think about, dont be too confident and drive like you normally do..... Drive with everything in mind really showing that you have actually learned everything you need to know. =) just a tip, i know tons of people failing on the mirrors. Good luck!
Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the differences between Swedish and American Culture according to Hofstede’s six cultural dimensions. Do you agree with the ’ratings’ and what manifestations of these dimensions can you observe in the daily lives of swedes/americans?
Getting around in Stockholm is super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Knowing Europe and the US, this was an interesting discussion, love the polite calm societies, that are more common here in Europe.
Im Swede but have lot 🇺🇸 friends and all the points you mentioned they also noted very well put together video!
Awesome video! thanks for sharing , can't wait to see for myself soon
0:30 The opposite side of the world from Oregon is Port-aux-Français which is an Island between Antarctica, Africa, and Australia.
Well, the first thing I noticed was how clean it is.
Maybe I'm way off but I think that the way to "be successful" in the US needs for you to stand out whilst in Sweden it doesn't.
It feels like it's about being above average in the US. You're successful if you're in the top 20% of soccer players, you're successful if you're top 20% of youtubers and for you to get there you have to be noticed and get attention. Maybe it's not that strict in the personal life but it's still the societal opinion about it. At least so that you wouldn't have to worry so much financially if you'd need a big surgery or whatever, you might have to plan a bit around it but it wouldn't be crippling.
In Sweden it seems like the goal for many is just a stable life, you don't really need that much as long as you're content and don't have to worry about too much. That's what I think many of us considers to be "success".
Yes the us system kinda force people to climb on each other in a not so healthy competition 🙁
I am so glad you are back and good to see you with your brother❤.
More videos with your brother please, this is fiiiiire.
Also I want to see him try djungelvrål again ;)
smart and wholesome brothers. very cool ^^ keep on being you
I would love to meet the two of you. You seem to be such great people. I live in the suburbs of Stockholm. I would love to take the two of you to my favorite restaurant in gamla stan. Its called sjätte tunnan and is a medievil style resturant located close to the station.
If you like Stockholm and its history you have to read three books by Niklas Natt och Dag (yes, that's his name), "1793", "1794", and "1795". And also listen to Bellman (in English, he has been translated) if you want to walk in Gamla Stan and see the places where he walked and played.
I dig the flash behind your brother's ear.
Hello brother!
Welcome back!
Hope you both have a great get together in Stockholm 👍
hello from Denmark 🌸🌱
Very interesting to hear talk about football/soccer. As a former player and coach it's an interest of mine. Maybe your brother would have a great education to get in Sweden. Most of the football clubs pays for your education to get a trainer licens even in lower clubs. It's many years now but I would be going on with to be responsible for a div4 lower league club to go any further. And if he's a good player as well you could combine study with football and even coaching younger teams. It's less and less coaches and people that do these things. And especially if planing to get back to the US with that knowledge would be huge.
It's fun to see and hear what you notice in the difference between cultures. Great video and have a great time in Sweden!
Haha about the fashion thing, that makes a lot of sense! I live in Phoenix, Arizona and it gets HOT here. Like, up to 120 F hot. It's so hard to dress nicely when it's hot, that's why I love fall and winter.
Really interesting! I’ve wanted to visit Sweden for awhile, and this gave a lot to consider that wouldn’t have been as much a forethought.
In U.S., the driving part of the test basically consists of making a few turns, signaling, backing up and parking along a paved roadway at the DMV; over in a few minutes.
Norway, you have to show proficiency driving in daylight and at night; in different weather conditions such as rain, snow and ice!😳
Can confirm the convenience of having a car in the suburbs. The commuter rail, also known as “pendeltåg” in Stockholm has its own problems with the delays and signal failure bs. Still, the congestion tax that just charges you for entering inside the ring road kinda discourages you to get a car here…
I'm fascinated by your talk about people being well-dressed. It's not the first time you've mentioned it. Do you feel like it applies only to Stockholm, or to Sweden as a whole? Because I live in Malmö, and never in my life have I felt like we're particularly well-dressed. My office's unofficial dress code, for example (I'm the gaming industry, so like...) is mostly various flavours of hoodies and jeans. When we went to Copenhagen with some new employees from abroad, they felt like people there were dressed differently, like more athleisure and smart casual, than in Malmö. Might it be some kind of big city middle-class thing that is shared by Copenhagen and Stockholm, but not Malmö?
Hmm interesting point maybe it's the " middle-class thing" as you named it or maybe because he lives in the city centre and usually in the big cities centres (especially the capital) you would find government officials like perlimant members, presidents, Kings! and Queens!, foreign embassies, international companies..etc. Stefan always mentions in his videos that he likes big cities and centres so my guessing if he gets a little bit far from the centre he might notice something different. I don't live in Stockholm but noticed something similar here in Göteborg that as close as you get to the city centre everything starts to change (including people's dress style) . But all in all swedes are in good shape and they take care of their look ... so don't worry you're good 😉 and at the end of the day who cares what you are doing with your look "nowadays"
its because americans dress unbelievably badly
it applies to all of europe.
@@yousifbabiker1807 I live in a rural town in Sweden. Most rural towns here in Sweden don't bother about dressingcodes and what's fashionable or appropriate. Most of us are dressed down or cassual. If wer'e going to the cities, in particular Stockholm, we allways have to dress up. Dress up by countrysidestandards to meet the minimal dresscodes that is in Stockholm to be appropriate. In countryside: Dress in whatever clothes you want and relax about it. In Stockholm: Never dress down, only dress up.
The US is going through a "wear pajamas everywhere if it doesn't get you fired" phase.
Wow, your brother have become so mature since the last videos. :D
I moved to Sweden in 2016 I love it. Live in small city to south of Stockholm.
In Umeå were i live we always take the bicycle. Stockholm is a big city and Umeå has only 120.000 people. Im 40 and i haven`t got any driverlicense. If you travel north you will understand the power of the fresh air and not so many people.
Stefan definatly had a joint yesterday, i can sense the weed hangover, totally chill :D
Roligt att se din bror, o att ni äntligen fick ses.
Tycker du inte att metersystemet är mer logiskt nu när du vant dig?
Finally i’ve been looking forward to this kind of video for a long time
I'm pretty sure that you can see the effects of the laid back drivers license training in the accident statistics in the US vs Sweden?
Nice to see you 2 back together!
So I’ve realised before that you had a really cool bro but I haden’t realised that he is so smart. You two make a a really good tag team . Really , really nice to be able to have real conversations exchange of minds and just fun.
I appreciate that you like how teams can go between the series systems in sports. Unfortunately, there are those who want to close some leagues according to the American model. But after Djurgården lost to Timrå, there is now no Stockholm team in the SHL, the highest league in hockey, so it will hopefully be a while before that happens.👍
Hey, I live in L.A. without a car. 5 pm Friday, a bicycle is the fastest way (OK a motorcycle or a helicopter) to get around. In Stockholm I had a car and later a big Mercedes van that I lived in, it was great, you never had to drive home. Later (and before, too) in Stockholm, bicycle.
I like T-shirts but i wants to have proper ones when i am around other people. But outside of Stockholm it is not important to look proper all the time, unless you apply for a job or are studying on university or similar.
I have a vivid memory of when your brother couldn’t come visit cuz of Covid. I follow you on Instagram and I remember reading your story about it and panicking. I had booked a trip last September to see my Swedish partner and they closed borders 2 weeks before my trip. We were devastated… I finally got to see him in April and then again June to July :D. So I feel the struggle for sure.. we were apart for 2 years and 3 months
Allsvenskan, Super Ettan, division 1, division 2, division 3, division 4, division 5, division 6, division 7 and so on.
Are the fotboll/soccer leagues
So cool! I'm a Swede who used to be married to an American and we lived in Vancouver, WA (Camas to be fair). I took busses now and then though, or biked (to 24hr fitness for ex). Always bus and train to college in Portland. Let me know if you want to go for a drink in Stockholm and reminisce about the PNW!
Hey my hometown norrköping!! It really is a beutiful city 😊
Hmmm 🤔 We need a license here in Sweden as well it is hard to get by if you live on the land side cause then busses, trains aren’t going as often and to get to a friends house you needed your parents to drive more often then not. But yeah the driver license is hard to get by but I took it at 19 and many of my friends took it at 18-19 as well. If you live in the big city’s you don’t really need it and then not as many people are taking it then. For example how many people in New York has a driving license? 😅
Nice post, keep it up. With regards to the no. 10 jersey though - it's a matter of respect and the fact that it will give you the position of playmaker behind the strikers, linking up in attack and also have an overall smooth foot/way of playing. If there's no player that can actually step up and play as number ten, no one will.
We have different types of driving licenses in the US depending on the type of vehicle and what you plan do with the vehicle. Do they have different types of licenses in Sweden?
Double trouble with the Thyron's! I thought you're brother lived in Germany? I assume he stayed there for work temporarily? Anyways, I always enjoy seeing you're videos looking forward to the next one :). Next month I myself will be going through the process of moving to Sweden to my sambo. Also, good luck with the process of getting you're license I herd it can be pretty expensive please keep us updated!
If you take your driving license in automatic you can only drive automatic cars. however if you take your driving license with manual your allowed to drive both manual and automatic. Just wanted to notify you couse you said you took it with automatic.
Automatic car is definitely a much more comfortable choice in my opinion. But you are not allowed to drive a manual car if you take your license for an automatic car. However, if you decide to take your license for a manual car, the automatic license is included. So this is why most people will take their license for a manual car and go through all this pain to get it. :) Not that there's no pain in an automatic license as well, but when it comes to the driving part you remove 2 crucial elements, clutch and changing gears. Not to mention there's 3 stages to the clutch. :) I remember I had quite the issue with getting this into myself after driving an automatic moped for 6 years or so, and because of this, I broke my dad's clutch on the car I was practice driving with, let's just say he was not happy. xD
The first thing noticed when driving across the border into charlottenberg was that there was no swedish people, only somali women pushing strollers
To not stand out has a political background in many ways. I'm a Swede who does like to stand out and I think we should do it more.
Walkable cities are nice.
Saw your brother at the liffey on Saturday 😄
Love the tatoo,, ⚡🥰
Thanks for the mention lads. Feel free to take me clothes shopping whenever you’d like 🤣 I need some advice on that coat hahaha. Quality video though boys well done!
Omg ! I remember the first time your brother came here... Time flies! Its so great to hear about all the things you like about my favourite place on earth! I am over 40 and still dont have my drivers licence... hahaha Its going to be fun to watch your upcoming adventures here in Stockholm. Take care!
It is considered rude to take the last piece on the plate as it should be left for the person that is really hungry or has not yet had their share. If you take it just because you think it tastes good and want more without asking the others you are sharing it with then you are considered greedy and selfish. It comes from a time when a full belly was not something you could count on every day and a group/family had to share the resources they had.
Swedes often do not even think about/register that they leave the last piece. In a workplace fika or similar the last piece can be divided many times over in order to always leave a piece, right up until a cake/bun/pie is just crumbles left 🙂
The general rule though is leave it be if you had your share and are somewhat satisfied. If you had your share and are not yet saticfied then wait until everybody else have gotten their share and wait for a bit longer and then ask if someone want to share that last piece with you.
Haha I remember a few years back when I was in spain and had to buy sun protection. And the dude was like "oh this is for foreign skin", and it didnt connect for me first that I was foreign in thier country. So I looked at him like wtf? And when it clicked, me and him both started to laugh like hell😂
I live 10km outside sthlm city and i allways wear Jeans and t-shirt/shirt or jacket during the coold season.
Excelling at the basics is a really good way of impressing everyone to some degree or another and still be left the fuck alone.
We also had Swedes who did this when it was 10 minus degrees, so they went in shorts and a t-shirt.
I always get jump-scared every time some random person out and about comes up to me/girl 😅 I never expect it to happen
Public transport is extremt important for equality.
And when you get a license for 3,5 ton or heavier vehicles like semis and buses you also need to know how the brake system, fuelsystem etc works...
You two don't know much, in fact in Stockholm it's different then the rest of Sweden. I can't talk about more south but in northern Sweden you can dress however you like and you need a car to get around because it's not even sure if the bus go the day you need to get to a place.
In Stockholm everything have to be "perfect" meanwhile here in the north you can be whoever you want, t-shirt and jeans is really fancy here
Not even Stockholm, more like Östermalm and Vasastan. But a lot of people on UA-cam seem to repeat the same stereotypes about Sweden.
@@DivanVisagie yes I have noticed that but I have even noticed that most of them are in Stockholm at least the ones I have seen that have been in Sweden and make an opinion from that.
I could write a whole book about how different cities are in Sweden and how different people can be in Sweden but it's in fact a long country so we have different climates, mentalities, styles and of course dialects
Great video 😊 As I've said before: I'm getting more and more convinced that I'm not the typical Swede. The more you guys compared Sweden and America, the more I felt like the Swedish mindset about not standing out and so on isn't really my cup of tea. Personally I feel more and more American the more I hear about America in your videos 😅 lol
And about the dating thing: I too have noticed that practically nobody makes an effort to get to know you or to make a move, and that's always frustated the heck out of me 😅 I'm over here like "Why TF can't you just be honest and say how you feel??" 😂😂
Se use apps for that 😉😄
U should catch a league game. And get the atmosphere and do a reaction.
You should be concerned with the actual driving. You will fail if you hold the steering wheel in the "wrong" spot or don't check your mirrors in the "right" way for example.
I agree. Just book 2 - 3 sessions at nearest driving school to confirm that the way you're driving will be approved by Trafikverket when doing the test. Things like what RPM range you're shifting when going through gears counts too.
Who is older? Where are you living in Stockholm?
Welcome to Sweden 🎁
I'd really like to hear your opinions on handball. A hugely popular sport in Europe, and Sweden is one of the top teams.
The top team
Love to hear your take on Swedish hospitality in the light of #swedengate
Why doesn´t your brother move here, as well?
Not taking the last piece of food is very true and it can annoy me so much sometimes. For example if someone at work has baked muffins for everyone, at the end of the day it's not uncommon for it to be half (!) a muffin left on the plate. Just take the whole last muffin, damn it! 😆 I kinda suspect people do this to annoy everyone else. Maybe I'm the only one who's triggered...
🤣 That's so typical! Or the "should we share the last one?" pact with another speculant at the table because it would be so egotistical to take the last one without considering the others wishes. You certainly don't want to be viewed as that inconsiderate, callous prick! Someone might have been eying that remaining piece in silence but staved of their hunger out of politeness. So you better do the rounds and ask everyone if they're satisfied or would like to share the last one. But i guess it's kind of romantic in a sense. ☺
We Swedish people generally are mostly simple people, we generally do not feel like the urges/needs to be different. Just like for the sake of getting attention or standing out in a crowd. Flirting with Swedish girls in general, can be a pain in the ass to grab their attention to be fair. Sometimes they have certain 'requirements' for things like how you looks are like hair color or height/Weight. Other times they want a man who earns money or dresses very well. And other times they can just want attention and care and don't care about anything else like income, looks, style of clothing. It really is no set 'rules' on that part, the only kind of set rules if anything is to read 'non-verbal' communication of spoken attention or not etc.
Unfortunately, you are just describing women in general, not specifically Swedish women.
i am from lycksele/åsele. and all of my familly is from varpsjö. without a vehichle id never see my my famiilly
Where in Stockholm do you get your haircut Stefan?
Barberian Hornstull with Irfan
@@StefanThyron Thanks!
Why do you base your whole channel around Sweden?
He lives there, has for 7 years now. Shares his experiences as an American holding dual Swedish/American citizenship.
I like that it's uncut
I really don't mind people dressing good and having good taste in clothing but I think the mentality around it can create a rather negative spirit at times. Think about kids in school that always have to wear certain brands of clothing or buy new clothes as soon as a "style" is out of fashion. Can all families afford it? Does it really matter if little Emma or Adrian goes around in clothing that everyone had four months earlier? I never really understood that. It's not like they look homeless. They look just fine.. Just that mentality of looking like everyone else that can be bothersome.
As adults I think some think too much about clothes as well. I mean.. Say it's a rainy day in the late fall. The streets are almost empty and you go to your near supermarket a few blocks away. Since there is nobody outside and you really don't care about "looking good" in the bad weather you go in just whatever you wear at home. Then you meet someone on the way that you know, which is more uncommon than common in those situations, and that person might judge you like "Oh. Adrian is wearing that old t-shirt and...". Really? Really? Because he went out a bad day in normal clothing?
I'd say outside of the biggest 3 cities, it's unusual to not have a drivers license by ~20
To add onto your last point, in the Hockey league HV71 has won multiple championship golds in Sweden and they were relegated to the 2nd league so anything can happen
I’m 19 and I took my car license november 2021. I did my theori test on my 18th birthday.
I knew an Italian, and he said they could tell an American from a local. Am American always wears Jeans and sneakers. He meant we dressed sloppy and We never make an effort to fit in to the countrywe'revisiting. I found it interesting his view from a European perspective.
Owning a car isn't something a lot of people can afford, so we might just not have the money to put into something else either.
Low income equals you put about half your money on just having a place to live. Doesn't even have to be big or fancy, just somewhere to put your bed and close the door.
Housing can be hard to find too, even if you've got a middle class income. They sold about half of the rental units from the public to private owners and they made them into something you have to buy and own instead of rent.
A lot of older, affordable apartments were sold and converted into private units that you have to buy.
So a deficit in affordable housing got even worse.
Combined with not enough building of housing in general, and the houses being built are for the rich.