UA mics are useful without modeling. Tha plugin modeling is a added bonus. I think they are a great value and a great way to found out which one if the vintage mics you really want to buy.
I've heard and handled these mics. They're outstanding dynamic mics without the modeling plugins. Super solidly built, too. Thinking about replacing my vintage MD-421s. These UA mics are built better, sound just as good, and they don't need a goofy, finicky mic clip. You could do whatever the modeling plugins are doing with EQ and compression. The modeling plugins make that easy, but you could get literally the same sound just by using EQ and compression that your DAW comes with (plus some tweaking).
Hey, I took those 73P photos! Thanks for mentioning it, I'm really excited about the preorder launch next week. Love what you do as well! I'm a big fan of weird old dynamic mics, but personally seeing reissues of them from other companies just doesn't excite me. I love Electovoice dynamic mics, including the many that are still made like the RE20 and 635A), and similarly I'd probably be interested in a D19 if AKG was making it, but I'd rather keep my eyes peeled for an old one at a flea market for a while than get a reissue from another company. That being said, excited to hear samples of the Warm version at some point.
Thanks so much Jesse. Maybe I should talk with you guys about a build video for the new neve pre?😉 Awesome pics btw. It’s looking like an awesome unit and a fun build. I get what you mean, reissues can be tricky. Sometime they’re great but sometimes it’s better to get the real thing. I know that struggle for sure. Hahah. Thanks for leaving a comment
Nice to find an Aussie channel and great that you’re not covering the same plugin releases that everyone else is. Subscribed and look forward to more content.
Funny how everyone Loathe Behringer and Love Warm Audio. To us repair guys they both look pretty much the same on the inside when it comes to build quality and cutting corners in order to reach their price levels. If you listen with your ears instead of your eyes, then there can be a lot of money saved. Watching Live Audio Techs abandon Midas due to Behringer bying Midas, was downright pathetic! They all admit that it still sounds the same, yet they shun it, even though they used to love it. All because of a damn brand logo that hides in the background...
DIYRE are great! I've made most of the things they sell, and have only had one problem that Peterson helped me fix, and Jesse is always so supportive. The main thing that I think is cool about the new 1073 pre is the voltage regulator so it runs at 24v instead of the usual 16v for 500s. Super curious about how the Behringer comp sounds/lasts, cause that'd be a massive get for any home studio.
great episode! i'm also really interested in the diyre neve clone, and the plugin you mentioned at the end is going to be super fun as i'm just getting into circuit design... thanks!
AKG D19, I am a massive Beatles fan, like massive, so I’m am super stoked on the D19.. I thought all recordists knew the Beatles used it ha. The most common was on Ringos Mono Overhead, and bottom snare, (no top used at all) and bottom of the toms. Check out Warm audios guitar pedals too. And I love that Tube plug-in! So fun to mess with and learn
Yeah I saw it in the Geoff emerick book I think. Kinda forgot about it I guess. I’m sure it sounds good. Just don’t know if I need one. I bet people will do some cool things with it though.
Well I ordered a Behringer 369 and if it’s good it will stay in my rack and if it’s not good I’ll return it. They also own Klark Teknik and their LA2A clone is pretty darn good for the price. Also their EQP1 clone isn’t bad at all. People can complain but even the big brands make bad products sometimes and the so called bad companies have some great products. The big question is how long will they last. A tube LA2A for 360 bucks that’s almost always sold out with lots of positive reviews isn’t that bad 😊
maybe in Australia people hate Behringer, but here in Europe everyone loves it.... soon NEVE, SSL, AMEK etc.... will be called BEHRINGER... just like these brands : Aston Microphones, Midas, Lab Gruppen, Tannoy, Turbosound , TC Electronic ,, TC Helicon , Clark Teknik, Bugera , Lake Coolaudio...SO GET REDY >>..
Us Aussies tend to blame someone else or something else for failing rather than owning up and working on themselves That's why we supposedly hate Behringer, cause we blame our "cheap" gear not our skill
I agree on the modeling mics, and I own the slate ml-1 and several ml-2s. Thankfully they sound good to me even without modeling. Too many options is a real issue, something I have learned over the years. Same with plugins too - pick a tool that does a job well, learn it and use it, move on. Would have saved me thousands of dollars if I would have learned that sooner
Even Behringer bought Midas... Behringer was the most cheap sounding audio manufacturer... how they are going to change minds of their customers who bought Behringer gear in past with bad experinces is an other conversation... If I were them I would make such units that sounds so good as Behringer brand and make people talk about it
Behringer stuff doesn’t actually sound bad (not sure where you go that from), it’s even quite affordable. The issue with them is that it’s always been cheap, Chinese made stuff and they steal other companies IP. They have never had an original thought or developed anything original themselves. Lots of people (usually entry level musicians/producers) don’t care about that and lots of people do 🤷🏻♂️
@@officialWWM I agree with this for the most part, exception really being their digital mixers.. x32, x-air, flow, and wing I think were all innovative non-copies. But yes, many of their products are pretty blatant rips on other gear and many times don’t stand the test of time and rigorous use
@@officialWWMThey actually do also have innovative and original products, they just get clouded a bit by the clones ;) I believe it is the best strategy to force yourself to try to focus solely on a piece of gear itself and completely ignore brandnames and all the bad or good emotional 'framing' associated with it. The results are more often than not very surprising, as can be seen in many 'blind test' videos on YT ;) Just use it, listen to it, and if you like it and you feel the price is justified, buy it !
I disagree with some of your opinions on modeling microphones. Let's start with the obvious statement of 'you only need that amount of microphones'. It's totally subjective as to which ones you actually need, which is why big recording studios have a variety to choose from. And no, I'm not better off buying a selection of Neumann's simply because I can't afford them. 2. You don't need a bunch of software to use these. As a matter of fact you don't need any. These are decent mics to begin with and work just fine without the modeling part. I don't think these modeling mics are in a price range that would keep anyone from buying a real one eventually once people know what they do and don't like. 3. If you DO choose to use the modeling feature, you need ONE plug-in, which is the Hemisphere Plug-In and it works in all the DAWs. Sounded a bit more dramatic than it was when you explained it in my opinion.
I am a little puzzled trying to understand the purpose of your video in regard to the Behringer 369 (I know, not useful, not healthy either, but it does pass the time ;)). You haven't used it or seen it yourself, so you understandably refrain from any opinion on it. With the avalanche's of videos already available on YT, it also doesn't really qualify as an obscure piece of gear that needs to be brought to our attention. I'll just keep thinking but may be you can provide a few hints ?
I don't like mics that require software or drivers, it locks you into limited options, and for a limited time. In a decade or two, they will be e-waste. If I buy a 40 year-old sm58 or md421, I've just got to take care of it and it will likely outlive me.
I will NEVER buy modelling mics ...😅 UAs amp modellers sound very decent though - but they all will be obsolete when their MK2 versions are released. Something that will never happen with their analog antetypes...
UA mics are useful without modeling. Tha plugin modeling is a added bonus. I think they are a great value and a great way to found out which one if the vintage mics you really want to buy.
I've heard and handled these mics. They're outstanding dynamic mics without the modeling plugins. Super solidly built, too. Thinking about replacing my vintage MD-421s. These UA mics are built better, sound just as good, and they don't need a goofy, finicky mic clip. You could do whatever the modeling plugins are doing with EQ and compression. The modeling plugins make that easy, but you could get literally the same sound just by using EQ and compression that your DAW comes with (plus some tweaking).
Hey, I took those 73P photos! Thanks for mentioning it, I'm really excited about the preorder launch next week. Love what you do as well!
I'm a big fan of weird old dynamic mics, but personally seeing reissues of them from other companies just doesn't excite me. I love Electovoice dynamic mics, including the many that are still made like the RE20 and 635A), and similarly I'd probably be interested in a D19 if AKG was making it, but I'd rather keep my eyes peeled for an old one at a flea market for a while than get a reissue from another company. That being said, excited to hear samples of the Warm version at some point.
Thanks so much Jesse. Maybe I should talk with you guys about a build video for the new neve pre?😉
Awesome pics btw. It’s looking like an awesome unit and a fun build.
I get what you mean, reissues can be tricky. Sometime they’re great but sometimes it’s better to get the real thing. I know that struggle for sure. Hahah. Thanks for leaving a comment
Nice, you are the second Aussie channel i follow
Its good to get prices and opinions of gear with this in mind
Cheers from Melbourne
Thanks so much. Glad to see another fellow Aussie on here! Thanks for leaving a comment!
Nice to find an Aussie channel and great that you’re not covering the same plugin releases that everyone else is. Subscribed and look forward to more content.
Funny how everyone Loathe Behringer and Love Warm Audio.
To us repair guys they both look pretty much the same on the inside when it comes to build quality and cutting corners in order to reach their price levels.
If you listen with your ears instead of your eyes, then there can be a lot of money saved.
Watching Live Audio Techs abandon Midas due to Behringer bying Midas, was downright pathetic!
They all admit that it still sounds the same, yet they shun it, even though they used to love it. All because of a damn brand logo that hides in the background...
thats snobbery. actually Behringer makes a lot of great sounding stuff.
@@mofateam1 Yes indeed! There is a lot of money to be saved from knowing which stuff they got right.
DIYRE are great! I've made most of the things they sell, and have only had one problem that Peterson helped me fix, and Jesse is always so supportive. The main thing that I think is cool about the new 1073 pre is the voltage regulator so it runs at 24v instead of the usual 16v for 500s.
Super curious about how the Behringer comp sounds/lasts, cause that'd be a massive get for any home studio.
its +/- 16v ..so 32v ffs
@@philnorris9179 It's 24v. Peterson has a breakdown video on what they did to get there.
great episode! i'm also really interested in the diyre neve clone, and the plugin you mentioned at the end is going to be super fun as i'm just getting into circuit design... thanks!
Yeah it’s a fun one. Sounds decent too.
I may have some videos coming soon on the neve clone 😉
AKG D19, I am a massive Beatles fan, like massive, so I’m am super stoked on the D19.. I thought all recordists knew the Beatles used it ha. The most common was on Ringos Mono Overhead, and bottom snare, (no top used at all) and bottom of the toms. Check out Warm audios guitar pedals too. And I love that Tube plug-in! So fun to mess with and learn
Yeah I saw it in the Geoff emerick book I think. Kinda forgot about it I guess. I’m sure it sounds good. Just don’t know if I need one. I bet people will do some cool things with it though.
They totally don´t sound like the d19. That doesn´t mean they are bad, but if you´re looking for "that" d19-sound you won´t get it here.
Well I ordered a Behringer 369 and if it’s good it will stay in my rack and if it’s not good I’ll return it. They also own Klark Teknik and their LA2A clone is pretty darn good for the price. Also their EQP1 clone isn’t bad at all. People can complain but even the big brands make bad products sometimes and the so called bad companies have some great products. The big question is how long will they last. A tube LA2A for 360 bucks that’s almost always sold out with lots of positive reviews isn’t that bad 😊
D19 mic was used at Abbey Road and used a lot by the Beatles. Thats the main reason people would want a clone of it.
The “Ringo” mic 👍
maybe in Australia people hate Behringer, but here in Europe everyone loves it.... soon NEVE, SSL, AMEK etc.... will be called BEHRINGER... just like these brands : Aston Microphones, Midas, Lab Gruppen, Tannoy, Turbosound , TC Electronic ,, TC Helicon , Clark Teknik, Bugera , Lake Coolaudio...SO GET REDY >>..
Us Aussies tend to blame someone else or something else for failing rather than owning up and working on themselves
That's why we supposedly hate Behringer, cause we blame our "cheap" gear not our skill
I agree on the modeling mics, and I own the slate ml-1 and several ml-2s. Thankfully they sound good to me even without modeling. Too many options is a real issue, something I have learned over the years. Same with plugins too - pick a tool that does a job well, learn it and use it, move on. Would have saved me thousands of dollars if I would have learned that sooner
Thank you fellow Australian
Thank you! Glad to see some new Aussie subscribers here! Cheers mate!
I agree with the no modeling mics. Lets keep it real!
this acts like a filter - says changing capacity of a capacitor of a filter circuit :)
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Even Behringer bought Midas... Behringer was the most cheap sounding audio manufacturer... how they are going to change minds of their customers who bought Behringer gear in past with bad experinces is an other conversation... If I were them I would make such units that sounds so good as Behringer brand and make people talk about it
Behringer stuff doesn’t actually sound bad (not sure where you go that from), it’s even quite affordable. The issue with them is that it’s always been cheap, Chinese made stuff and they steal other companies IP. They have never had an original thought or developed anything original themselves. Lots of people (usually entry level musicians/producers) don’t care about that and lots of people do 🤷🏻♂️
@@officialWWM I agree with this for the most part, exception really being their digital mixers.. x32, x-air, flow, and wing I think were all innovative non-copies. But yes, many of their products are pretty blatant rips on other gear and many times don’t stand the test of time and rigorous use
The affordable reissues of vintage synths has already completely changed the perception of Behringer ;)
@@officialWWMThey actually do also have innovative and original products, they just get clouded a bit by the clones ;)
I believe it is the best strategy to force yourself to try to focus solely on a piece of gear itself and completely ignore brandnames and all the bad or good emotional 'framing' associated with it. The results are more often than not very surprising, as can be seen in many 'blind test' videos on YT ;)
Just use it, listen to it, and if you like it and you feel the price is justified, buy it !
No sound examples, this is ridiculous.
I disagree with some of your opinions on modeling microphones. Let's start with the obvious statement of 'you only need that amount of microphones'. It's totally subjective as to which ones you actually need, which is why big recording studios have a variety to choose from. And no, I'm not better off buying a selection of Neumann's simply because I can't afford them.
2. You don't need a bunch of software to use these. As a matter of fact you don't need any. These are decent mics to begin with and work just fine without the modeling part. I don't think these modeling mics are in a price range that would keep anyone from buying a real one eventually once people know what they do and don't like.
3. If you DO choose to use the modeling feature, you need ONE plug-in, which is the Hemisphere Plug-In and it works in all the DAWs. Sounded a bit more dramatic than it was when you explained it in my opinion.
I have an original RCA mic. Is it worth 6k? No way! It’s cool but I’d never pay that much for it.
"Moral grey area" had me laughing. Uli is a crook. That being said, not everything with his name on it sucks.
I've used a umc 1820 for over 4 years now. I wish behringer weren't so "edgy" about their marketing, makes it harder to recommend
I am a little puzzled trying to understand the purpose of your video in regard to the Behringer 369 (I know, not useful, not healthy either, but it does pass the time ;)).
You haven't used it or seen it yourself, so you understandably refrain from any opinion on it. With the avalanche's of videos already available on YT, it also doesn't really qualify as an obscure piece of gear that needs to be brought to our attention.
I'll just keep thinking but may be you can provide a few hints ?
I don't like mics that require software or drivers, it locks you into limited options, and for a limited time. In a decade or two, they will be e-waste. If I buy a 40 year-old sm58 or md421, I've just got to take care of it and it will likely outlive me.
Yeah that’s kinda how I feel about it too.
Drivers?!
I will NEVER buy modelling mics ...😅
UAs amp modellers sound very decent though - but they all will be obsolete when their MK2 versions are released.
Something that will never happen with their analog antetypes...
I hope it sounds better than the warm audio one, because it's terrible
I only buy gear made in Germany.