You guys did great job of not ripping apart that tacp. Very professional conversation and good debate on hot topics of the future. Also love how you guys invite opposing views and see how others think instead of staying in y’all’s tribe where the majority thinks the same. At least I think. Great ep !
JTbisnour friend. We all have different opinions; even the three of us on the OR team get into these discussions/have disagreements. But that’s the point. We invite anyone on, any time, to talk about whatever they want. - A
Today's insightful, cerebral conversation might scare away AFSPECWAR hopefuls looking for just the physical challenge, but it will inspire intellectual candidates and those particularly open to the likelihood of job description redefinition along their career path. #thestrongshallstandtheweakwillfallbythewayside You knowwww Angry Aaron is going deep when he cites Socrates.😅😅😅 Sincerely, everyone's intelligence and mental FLIR shines through in this cast. 💪🏼🇺🇲💪🏼
I was thinking the same thing. To the point of the guest: do you have a TACP v an Army FA sitting the bench as a contingency on the OPORDER. Sorry, it's been a minute since I was in the Army and seeing the messed up blue subdued flag on the old BDUs of the AF TACPs, but I'd rather have those guys ensuring our troops were getting accurate support. Given the cost of ordinance, let alone US lives, I'd want to make damn sure we weren't calling for too little too far away or too much too close.
I think JT makes some valid points. However, we won’t have air superiority in the next fight more than likely. Taking that into account, the land components’ Infantry, Armor, etc will need to actually do their jobs and not rely so heavily on outside assists. I’m a former 11B and I know that nowadays, for pretty much the entire GWOT and earlier, we got so used to taking some insignificant contact and automatically calling for CAS and/or fires instead of really doing the core of our jobs. Close with and destroy the enemy. It’s going to be interesting how things shake out that’s for sure
One thing I would say having gone through BMT in 94 there were so many people that thought we were soft, but what we were the most superior in was "Attention to Detail". That was the entire BMT. I remember meeting a guy in Atlanta airport 3 years later and he was a ex Air Force guy now an E5 in the Army and I asked him how BT was and he said physically it was harder , but the attention to detail that we went through was what set us apart. I still think that is what makes great maintainers, bomb loaders, crew chiefs, loadmasters and SF guys. Attention to detail. As an Air Intelligence Guy that forward deployed 6 out of my 9 years and spent most of the other part doing TO reviews (boring as shit but saved more lives I am sure than anything else I did), my attention to detail starting with 4squared shirts at BMT is what made me a good Airman. We need to concentrate on that. Thanks for the awesome podcast. Just came across it.
Ha glad it was said… the vet bros ALWAYS complain about the next generation and I’ll never understand it 😂. Future service members will continue to adapt and overcome.. just like they did during the GWOT. Come on man..
Occupational landscape... changing for all sectors (MIL/CIV) and professions (MOS/CIV/career options). Recently, I spoke with a VERY LARGE corporation executive and artificial intelligence is no longer incoming... it is here. Jobs as we knew them have already been replaced by automation/A.I. and the percentage of job replacement (by A.I.) shall only increase (exponentially) with each passing year. "Powers that be", seven or so years ago, stated they'd be culling Earth's population by fifteen plus percent. As to modernity's "male testosterone levels"... on average... they are twenty or so percent lower than our year 2000 population average. Entire socio-economic system (as we know/knew such) will be changing... likely to worsen yet further. Be aware.
Military eggheads keep saying that new technology today will make "X" obsolete. Well... Let's looking at airplanes in the Vietnam war: WW2 was mostly dogfighting and maneuverability until the jet era making prop planes obsolete. Afterwards in the 50s and 60s the focus then became being faster than the enemy. Missiles like the AIM 7 and AIM 4 were created to help destroy enemy fighters at Long Ranges. Beyond Visual Range (BVR) attacks was what was speculated air power was going to be for the future. Well lets see that theory put to the test in Vietnam: - The new missile technology had a low success rate. It improved at the end of the war but it was too little too late. - Studies showed that pilots never really went above mach 1 in fights. They stayed in lower speeds to be more maneuverable - Even though BVR was the reigning theory, top brass had ROE where pilots had to get close enough to enemy fighters to "visually inspect" if they are enemy first before engaging. - Older generation Mig 17s dominated dogfights because of their maneuverability at low speeds. So when F4s became close enough they put themselves at a disadvantage. - Lots of pilots died. Hell, the Navy F4s weren't even equipped with guns so they couldn't do much when they entered a dogfight with a Mig. It was like a fight in a telephone booth where the Migs had knives while the F4 pilots had full sized sniper rifles. - The Airforce eventually learned from their mistakes and prioritized slower, unstable, more maneuverable aircraft over faster supersonic aircraft. Even now they are prioritizing "stealth technology" over tried and true systems like the A10, F16 and F15 (Although they made an F15EX). Saying that once again, long range BVR and hitting the enemy without them knowing will dominate the landscape. Making more obvious fighters that show up on radar like F16s and F18s obsolete. It would be funny in the coming war, when these stealth technologies are put to the test, they they are so stealthy they have to get within visual range to determine if the other is an enemy or not lol. Bringing back good ol' fashion dogfighting. Aaron said it on the Russia-Ukraine war: modern militaries using WW1 tactics and trench warfare. War hasn't changed, whether it's trebuchets, artillery, or long range missiles. We will always figure out new ways to kill each other. But one constant in war is boots on the ground. Until something drastic like nuclear armageddon happens. Getting rid of TACP and other SOF capabilities because it's "believed" that they're obsolete in the future is just plain stupid. Theories and cost cutting reigning over actual tried and true assets and resources.
I think retired TACP should bring it to the civilian world/market in the amateur radio community, teach a generalization of it not the sensitive part, the cas part and enhancing radio skills to the civilian
@@OnesReady I have photos and audio from someone pretending to be Jarred Tylor, maybe it's who reports your Instagram account. I wanted to send on Facebook, it doesn't give me the option. I think he is a scammer asking for iTunes cards.
All of this assumes air superiority and China or whoever isn’t going to just give us it, right? So if we go up against a near peer they’ll have air defense and will fight over the target area before we can start dropping bombs
We need more episodes like this !!!!
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You guys did great job of not ripping apart that tacp. Very professional conversation and good debate on hot topics of the future. Also love how you guys invite opposing views and see how others think instead of staying in y’all’s tribe where the majority thinks the same. At least I think. Great ep !
JTbisnour friend. We all have different opinions; even the three of us on the OR team get into these discussions/have disagreements. But that’s the point. We invite anyone on, any time, to talk about whatever they want. - A
I love Jarred Taylor because its like he plays Devils Advocate then starts fixing the problem like he didn't bring it up/start it. Great episode.
Trent at 36:00 is spot on!
Today's insightful, cerebral conversation might scare away AFSPECWAR hopefuls looking for just the physical challenge, but it will inspire intellectual candidates and those particularly open to the likelihood of job description redefinition along their career path. #thestrongshallstandtheweakwillfallbythewayside
You knowwww Angry Aaron is going deep when he cites Socrates.😅😅😅 Sincerely, everyone's intelligence and mental FLIR shines through in this cast.
💪🏼🇺🇲💪🏼
I really love this episode as each podcaster is one of each in Air Force Special Warfare!
What happens when everything goes to hell and none of that technology works anymore? You’ll need the JTACs and the TACPs then
I was thinking the same thing. To the point of the guest: do you have a TACP v an Army FA sitting the bench as a contingency on the OPORDER. Sorry, it's been a minute since I was in the Army and seeing the messed up blue subdued flag on the old BDUs of the AF TACPs, but I'd rather have those guys ensuring our troops were getting accurate support. Given the cost of ordinance, let alone US lives, I'd want to make damn sure we weren't calling for too little too far away or too much too close.
@@gregbanks5624 well said
I think JT makes some valid points. However, we won’t have air superiority in the next fight more than likely. Taking that into account, the land components’ Infantry, Armor, etc will need to actually do their jobs and not rely so heavily on outside assists. I’m a former 11B and I know that nowadays, for pretty much the entire GWOT and earlier, we got so used to taking some insignificant contact and automatically calling for CAS and/or fires instead of really doing the core of our jobs. Close with and destroy the enemy. It’s going to be interesting how things shake out that’s for sure
Former 11B here as well, your point is extremely valid.
Great share men.
As an AIA guy I couldn't imagine not having a JTAC or TACP to contact. I would have sa
t in a field SCIF going "Um, I dont know. WTF?"
One thing I would say having gone through BMT in 94 there were so many people that thought we were soft, but what we were the most superior in was "Attention to Detail". That was the entire BMT. I remember meeting a guy in Atlanta airport 3 years later and he was a ex Air Force guy now an E5 in the Army and I asked him how BT was and he said physically it was harder , but the attention to detail that we went through was what set us apart. I still think that is what makes great maintainers, bomb loaders, crew chiefs, loadmasters and SF guys. Attention to detail. As an Air Intelligence Guy that forward deployed 6 out of my 9 years and spent most of the other part doing TO reviews (boring as shit but saved more lives I am sure than anything else I did), my attention to detail starting with 4squared shirts at BMT is what made me a good Airman. We need to concentrate on that. Thanks for the awesome podcast. Just came across it.
Great shout out, for Kurt Buller’s Intrepid Leadership teen camp in June. My son is stoked, and fired up to learn some new skills this summer.
Seems like a my class was the last hard class kinda guy
Yeah, we verified it, his class actually was the last hard class. They made a plaque and everything.
🤘🏽🤘🏽
This is conversation i like. Btw, is Brian down range??
Roger that
Ha glad it was said… the vet bros ALWAYS complain about the next generation and I’ll never understand it 😂. Future service members will continue to adapt and overcome.. just like they did during the GWOT. Come on man..
Occupational landscape... changing for all sectors (MIL/CIV) and professions (MOS/CIV/career options). Recently, I spoke with a VERY LARGE corporation executive and artificial intelligence is no longer incoming... it is here. Jobs as we knew them have already been replaced by automation/A.I. and the percentage of job replacement (by A.I.) shall only increase (exponentially) with each passing year.
"Powers that be", seven or so years ago, stated they'd be culling Earth's population by fifteen plus percent.
As to modernity's "male testosterone levels"... on average... they are twenty or so percent lower than our year 2000 population average. Entire socio-economic system (as we know/knew such) will be changing... likely to worsen yet further. Be aware.
Military eggheads keep saying that new technology today will make "X" obsolete. Well... Let's looking at airplanes in the Vietnam war:
WW2 was mostly dogfighting and maneuverability until the jet era making prop planes obsolete. Afterwards in the 50s and 60s the focus then became being faster than the enemy. Missiles like the AIM 7 and AIM 4 were created to help destroy enemy fighters at Long Ranges. Beyond Visual Range (BVR) attacks was what was speculated air power was going to be for the future. Well lets see that theory put to the test in Vietnam:
- The new missile technology had a low success rate. It improved at the end of the war but it was too little too late.
- Studies showed that pilots never really went above mach 1 in fights. They stayed in lower speeds to be more maneuverable
- Even though BVR was the reigning theory, top brass had ROE where pilots had to get close enough to enemy fighters to "visually inspect" if they are enemy first before engaging.
- Older generation Mig 17s dominated dogfights because of their maneuverability at low speeds. So when F4s became close enough they put themselves at a disadvantage.
- Lots of pilots died. Hell, the Navy F4s weren't even equipped with guns so they couldn't do much when they entered a dogfight with a Mig. It was like a fight in a telephone booth where the Migs had knives while the F4 pilots had full sized sniper rifles.
- The Airforce eventually learned from their mistakes and prioritized slower, unstable, more maneuverable aircraft over faster supersonic aircraft.
Even now they are prioritizing "stealth technology" over tried and true systems like the A10, F16 and F15 (Although they made an F15EX). Saying that once again, long range BVR and hitting the enemy without them knowing will dominate the landscape. Making more obvious fighters that show up on radar like F16s and F18s obsolete.
It would be funny in the coming war, when these stealth technologies are put to the test, they they are so stealthy they have to get within visual range to determine if the other is an enemy or not lol. Bringing back good ol' fashion dogfighting. Aaron said it on the Russia-Ukraine war: modern militaries using WW1 tactics and trench warfare.
War hasn't changed, whether it's trebuchets, artillery, or long range missiles. We will always figure out new ways to kill each other. But one constant in war is boots on the ground. Until something drastic like nuclear armageddon happens. Getting rid of TACP and other SOF capabilities because it's "believed" that they're obsolete in the future is just plain stupid. Theories and cost cutting reigning over actual tried and true assets and resources.
I think retired TACP should bring it to the civilian world/market in the amateur radio community, teach a generalization of it not the sensitive part, the cas part and enhancing radio skills to the civilian
Can I talk to you about the Instagram accounts, please.
Sure. What’s up?
@@OnesReady I have photos and audio from someone pretending to be Jarred Tylor, maybe it's who reports your Instagram account.
I wanted to send on Facebook, it doesn't give me the option. I think he is a scammer asking for iTunes cards.
@@carmenvera2725 ok well- don’t give money to people on the internet. Rule 1.
@@OnesReady That won't happen with me, thank you. It bothers me that he plays with someone else's image. That's just why I wanted to comment.
All of this assumes air superiority and China or whoever isn’t going to just give us it, right? So if we go up against a near peer they’ll have air defense and will fight over the target area before we can start dropping bombs
The next conflict is terrifying.
PJ's will always have a job for the same reason Doctors will always have a job; you can't cure accidents and idiots.
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