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  • @frankielov
    @frankielov Місяць тому +1200

    Don’t need a tv licence My tv works very well without One. ☝🏽

    • @SkadiandNjord
      @SkadiandNjord Місяць тому +63

      Mine too, come on everyone join us

    • @frankielov
      @frankielov Місяць тому +22

      @@SkadiandNjord😊👍🏽

    • @brigidsingleton1596
      @brigidsingleton1596 Місяць тому +29

      😂 What is a TV ?! Is it like my Tablet...?

    • @frankielov
      @frankielov Місяць тому +43

      @@brigidsingleton1596 tv 📺 something you watch, tablet 💊 something you swallow 🤠

    • @AlanGChenery
      @AlanGChenery Місяць тому +29

      ​@@frankielov The word tablet as a hand held rectangle you write on, read, and erase is ironically far older than it's application to anything pharmaceutical.

  • @AS-by8ee
    @AS-by8ee Місяць тому +279

    I cannot even describe the level of contempt in which I hold for this once great broadcaster. BBC, your days are numbered.

    • @amandahudson2038
      @amandahudson2038 Місяць тому

      Your reputation revocable tarnished.. useless untrustworthy for news and can not even provide decent entertainment.. two is the lot of em.

    • @amandahudson2038
      @amandahudson2038 Місяць тому +16

      BBc going down th pan rapidly.

    • @michaelyoung6247
      @michaelyoung6247 Місяць тому +8

      Absolutely agree with you.

    • @Veeger
      @Veeger Місяць тому

      Torys managed to destroy the integrity of the bbc and it's "news" channel. Oh yes and the economy of the UK, freedom of movement for citizens and businesses such as my own.

    • @andrewthomasfinney752
      @andrewthomasfinney752 Місяць тому

      ...BBC, your days are numbered. (Not for at least 5 years)

  • @KansasStorm72
    @KansasStorm72 Місяць тому +672

    Just remember. The more people that cancel, the less chance of getting a visit. 😉😉😉😉

    • @jeffknott1975
      @jeffknott1975 Місяць тому +49

      They can visit me all they like I don't answer my door to cold callers and my family/friends/neighbours know to shout my name in emergencies.

    • @denseljosephs9500
      @denseljosephs9500 Місяць тому

      Shout a nickname instead it's best to stay anonymous ​@jeffknott1975

    • @aw4453
      @aw4453 Місяць тому +9

      More that cancel more chance the fee will be bundled into council tax

    • @pjkaf1346
      @pjkaf1346 Місяць тому

      @@aw4453they can’t bundle it into council tax because there’s lots of people who genuinely don’t require a licence

    • @LupaDomina
      @LupaDomina Місяць тому

      ​@@aw4453if they do that they can send me to prison at the taxpayers expense. I will pay every other part except the % due for TV.
      They can do one. It will cost more to imprison me, re-home me, and pay for my lifelong benefits (because who will hire an old criminal?) than just change to a bloody subscription service.

  • @lisianthus4558
    @lisianthus4558 Місяць тому +297

    It's a bit like scammers who ring 100 people in the hope that one or two will answer the call and fall for the scam!

    • @Scripture-Man
      @Scripture-Man Місяць тому +2

      Well, it's not though. They actually know if you have a licence or not.

    • @AkiraFurball
      @AkiraFurball Місяць тому +15

      @@Scripture-Man they dont actually know it you watch tv or not, so it IS a numbers game that they play

    • @TheRealRedAce
      @TheRealRedAce Місяць тому +1

      And equally criminal IMO!

    • @LindaLord-nr9pr
      @LindaLord-nr9pr 22 дні тому

      ... just a bit . 😁

  • @bertstevens5368
    @bertstevens5368 Місяць тому +594

    I would not watch any bbc shit that’s why I don’t pay for it

    • @MrDaiseymay
      @MrDaiseymay Місяць тому +11

      YOU ARE BARRED FROM WATCHING ALL, ''LIVE'', TV.

    • @nicholaspostlethwaite9554
      @nicholaspostlethwaite9554 Місяць тому +15

      That is why I gave it up years ago. Realised I watched next to none of their content. Basically the news and that is full of biases. Even more so it had become not the way I watched anything on their broadcast timetables. Nonsense of waiting a week for the next episode. Only at a time and day they put it out.

    • @95Gabe
      @95Gabe Місяць тому +3

      I can say without doubt that your sentence is an absolute lie. Unless, of course, you don't watch TV at all?

    • @Dave-r4u
      @Dave-r4u Місяць тому +3

      Ditto times 10

    • @AlmostBipedal
      @AlmostBipedal Місяць тому +6

      Even the likes of David A now spout sh!te with every sentence they utter. Why should we pay for such verbal propaganda?

  • @GerfPimp
    @GerfPimp Місяць тому +229

    I have never understood why after all the horrendous, and continuing scandals, the BBC, are not just a distant memory.

    • @richdeering9580
      @richdeering9580 Місяць тому

      I believe it’s because they are an integral part of the corrupt, Godless, lying, system which believes itself to have the right to control, (and ride rough shod over), humanity.
      I, for one, DISAGREE.

    • @AbsolvedSoul
      @AbsolvedSoul Місяць тому +9

      Friends in high places and promotes the government lies.

    • @alangriffiths2100
      @alangriffiths2100 Місяць тому

      @@GerfPimp yes a very convenient platform for the left wing propagandists.

    • @sapien82
      @sapien82 Місяць тому +5

      could say the same for westminster

  • @divinemagicwithourownspani2865
    @divinemagicwithourownspani2865 Місяць тому +192

    When I cancelled my mothers tv license 4 years ago due to her not being able to watch tv as she had gone blind and had Parkinson’s and dementia they told me she will have to renew within a year as there could’ve been changes!!!!!! Crazy . Then she had another letter threatening her saying they knew she had been watching tv !!! By this time she had been bedridden and passed away a month later . I contacted them and no apologies whatsoever ! Twats!!!!

    • @jimst3r1
      @jimst3r1 Місяць тому +22

      Should sue them for harassment

    • @joelarama
      @joelarama Місяць тому +16

      WTF! That is DISGUSTING. How vile of the BBC to cause you such unnecessary distress.

    • @oukie666
      @oukie666 Місяць тому +8

      Sorry to read this about your mum, absolutely disgusting behaviour by the BBC, but shocking as this is, it's not really a surprise.

    • @bigfrankfraser1391
      @bigfrankfraser1391 Місяць тому +18

      i came home from afghanistan to find out the bbc had fined me for not having a license, despite the fact i live alone and had been away in the army for 12 months, and they kept increasing the fine over the last 7 months of my tour, when i provided records of this, they claimed i was faking my military service, so i sent them a photo of a 18 inch shard of glass in my liver that a field medic later pulled out of me while in a helicopter, at which point they told me i didnt need ot pay the fine

  • @peterswires8439
    @peterswires8439 Місяць тому +727

    You need to pay fhe BBC via the licence even if you just watch commercial TV. Imagine Tesco demanding money from you because you shop at Sainsbury's.

    • @Dzeroed
      @Dzeroed Місяць тому +40

      Love this, been saying similar for years, deserves to be at the top 👌

    • @rootyroot
      @rootyroot Місяць тому +46

      100% I like to use the analogy of.. Imagine Google demand payment because you have the internet and "could" access Google.

    • @geodun
      @geodun Місяць тому

      BBC is owned by the government. When you shop at Sainsbury's the government demand you pay VAT. Not much different really. BOHICA. While Brits continue to vote for public this and public that then the government will keep devising ways to collect the money to pay for it all. Apparently free stuff is very addictive and Brits are addicted to apparently free stuff. Nothing is really free, someone always pays. Imagine a car insurance company that covered cars driven in a demolition derby every week. Would you pay for a policy from them for your daily driver? That is what the NHS is doing, taking your money to fix up drunks, smokers, drug addicts, unhealthy fat bastards and all manner of people living dangerously when they get sick.

    • @daveofyorkshire301
      @daveofyorkshire301 Місяць тому

      @@peterswires8439 No, it's live broadcast TV that you are paying the license fee for, regardless of who it is. If it's live, or the BBC in any form (excluding video tapes/DVD) you are required under penalty of law to pay the licence fee.
      However, if you do not watch live broadcast TV or any BBC online or broadcast you can legally not buy a license.
      Don't fill any of their forms in online or postal. Simply write to them, and instruct them to remove your details from their database. Signing any form online or postal contracts the two-yearly renewal notice. Don't sign a form and you are not a customer and they have no legitimate reason to retain your data.
      Use the system against them. It's the only way. I've not been contacted since I stopped years ago... They shouldn't have any of my information, so if they contact me, they are in breach of the data protection act.

    • @davepfizer
      @davepfizer Місяць тому +15

      That is a great analogy. We should all be using it! Perhaps your own biased and corrupt MP should see that too!

  • @petewood8408
    @petewood8408 Місяць тому +568

    It beggars belief how we are still having to pay for something we don't want!!!!

    • @HarryDuBois616
      @HarryDuBois616 Місяць тому +40

      You don't have to though. Who's making you pay for something you don't want?

    • @MikeEves
      @MikeEves Місяць тому +30

      If you paid it's because you wanted to. No other reason.

    • @user-tk7kz1fl2r
      @user-tk7kz1fl2r Місяць тому +26

      I haven't had a licence for over 15 years. No one is making you pay for it. The rules are very clear as to who needs a TV licence. If you watch TV within the rules that require a licence, that's by choice, and a licence is required.

    • @linking-it
      @linking-it Місяць тому +6

      ​because he though he had to.@@MikeEves

    • @kevinthegerbil2708
      @kevinthegerbil2708 Місяць тому +12

      But, you are missing out on the very talented humour. Foe example......er...um ..oh..Len Henry...and.........maybe not.

  • @maureenbrown6610
    @maureenbrown6610 Місяць тому +144

    It is about time the licence fee is cancelled and the BBC disbanded completely. Plenty of other tv companies now.

    • @john07973
      @john07973 Місяць тому +7

      The Labour Govt will be throwing them more money.

    • @andrewthomasfinney752
      @andrewthomasfinney752 Місяць тому

      How would the left get their skewed messages across then?

    • @NeilCoatsChamberlain
      @NeilCoatsChamberlain Місяць тому +1

      The Labour Gov have a short term contract as well

  • @cornovii3012
    @cornovii3012 Місяць тому +570

    Wouldn't watch BBC if they paid me, not giving any support or my viewing time to a corporation that employs PDF files, simples.

    • @tazmaniachill
      @tazmaniachill Місяць тому +35

      Same here, don’t need it, don’t want it, more added to my list weekly… rbl the latest.

    • @tazmaniachill
      @tazmaniachill Місяць тому +14

      Great share what they like, my email doesn’t exist.

    • @Pan2fire
      @Pan2fire Місяць тому +6

      PDF files are persecuted. Please stop with the bullying.

    • @markfox1545
      @markfox1545 Місяць тому +4

      You can't spell 'paid'. No one cares what you think.

    • @cornovii3012
      @cornovii3012 Місяць тому +24

      @@markfox1545 So you defend the likes of Jimmy Savile, maybe your hard drive needs checking.

  • @garrybowers414
    @garrybowers414 Місяць тому +183

    If I get a letter for the legal occupier, it goes straight in the bin

    • @user-zu6qn9ux9n
      @user-zu6qn9ux9n Місяць тому +4

      My letters come to the “proprietor or manager” 😂

    • @Shonno77
      @Shonno77 Місяць тому +14

      I return mine with a note on the envelope....
      No-one named "The legal occupier" at this address. RETURN TO SENDER.

    • @patruddick
      @patruddick Місяць тому +2

      how do the know your name ,they sent my elderly ftiend one it was posted with her name and address on it

    • @UKVampy
      @UKVampy Місяць тому +5

      It'd be interested in returning it and say I'm the illegal occupier.

    • @vatsmith8759
      @vatsmith8759 Місяць тому +3

      This always confused me, surely illegal occupiers also have to pay the licence fee?

  • @Pan2fire
    @Pan2fire Місяць тому +121

    Their threat letters are illegal and Royal Mail are enabling it. They really think I have to bow down to them. It's quite extraordinary.

    • @windy33a
      @windy33a Місяць тому +20

      royal mail as a common carrier has no way of knowing the contents of envelopes so are obliged to deliver any addressed item

    • @Phoenix2312
      @Phoenix2312 Місяць тому

      @@windy33a Indeed True... And even if they are aware of the contents - TV License Letters are quite obvious... As are the MANY pieces of Junk Mail I receive... They have a Legal Duty to deliver the Mail to any address that is on the envelope.
      @Pan2fire And "Their Threat Letters are Illegal" - NO, That is also INCORRECT! They are totally LEGAL! Misleading and Tantamount to "demanding Money with Menaces" - Absolutely! But none the less they are LEGAL! They are in law "Circulars"... They do not require a response... You are not legally obliged to respond, but they are legal methods of gathering information to support a valid and accurate database... Which in turn helps them enforce the Law.
      Only by sending such letters can they assess if a Property may or may not be Vacant... Thats is why you find you get a letter once a month! It is cheaper to send a Shitty Letter than it is to send someone to Monitor and check every Household in the country! REMEMBER - They have NO ACTUAL LEGAL POWERS EXCEPT TO ENSURE ANY PROPERTY THAT IS USING TV SERVICE IS VALIDLY LICENSED!
      Crapita and the Bleedin' Bodge-Up Company HAVE NO LEGAL ACCESS to any Housing Databases to see if a Property is or is Not Vacant! They either have to Physically visit every single property in the UK... Which despite many Staff, They could NOT cover every single address even just looking at Windows to see who has Curtains or Blinds up in a SINGLE MONTH... And they would need to as Vacant Properties are normally occupied within a Single month... Or do what they are doing... Sending Letters in hopes of a response!
      Neither Capita nor the BBC can afford the staff to visit every single property! So letters it is... Thats their best option... It shows it is their best option... I have been in my home now 10 Years... NEVER HAD A SINGLE TV LICENSE VISIT! Even though I am in a major city and there will be many chances of earning Commission I am in a Cul-De-Sac... And they dont like visiting them for some strange reason...

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому +3

      Afraid its entirely legal as they dont address you by name

    • @AkiraFurball
      @AkiraFurball Місяць тому +8

      @@robtheplod you can opt out of mail not addressed by name, the rm try to encourage you not to as government info mail would not then be delivered, given i have never once in 61 years ever seen a government info mail without a name (other than worthless election garbage, i don't think that's much of a loss

    • @CharlieHarper-d4x
      @CharlieHarper-d4x Місяць тому +1

      ​@@AkiraFurball can that be done online?

  • @laceandwhisky
    @laceandwhisky Місяць тому +120

    Never used BBC iPlayer and its been twenty plus years i have watched BBC. Didnt need a licence either we watched it on a ship. Just say no thanks, don't get wound up about it. Just say no thanks and shut door

  • @WeAreTheUnhappyMajority
    @WeAreTheUnhappyMajority Місяць тому +218

    My conscious is clear, I haven't watch live, or recorded any liveTV or watched BBC iplayer on any device since I stopped paying BBC tax a year ago.

    • @nicholaspostlethwaite9554
      @nicholaspostlethwaite9554 Місяць тому +13

      Me too. I do not cheat. But it has been a lot longer so long I cannot recall when it was. lol.

    • @davidbetts9332
      @davidbetts9332 Місяць тому

      @nicholaspostlethwaite9554 it's not cheating it's a protest against an unfair tax.

    • @HillbillyYEEHAA
      @HillbillyYEEHAA Місяць тому +15

      Same. Don't watch anything but dvds... don't legally need one

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому +13

      Same here.. easy to do as nothing worth watching...

    • @AkiraFurball
      @AkiraFurball Місяць тому +4

      @@robtheplod you are missing out on all the repeats and stuff people watched 20 years ago XD

  • @Veeger
    @Veeger Місяць тому +215

    I'm never answering their disrespectful letters that can't even address me personally. I object to being called the "occupier". Should I be calling them "the oppressor"?

    • @localbod
      @localbod Місяць тому +20

      Yes, definitely.

    • @AkiraFurball
      @AkiraFurball Місяць тому +16

      Anything that is not addressed to me by name is not sent to me, so it's none of my damn business and goes right in the bin. I am not reading other people's mail, that's just creepy af!

    • @bitsandbobs4082
      @bitsandbobs4082 Місяць тому +11

      No one else could get away with letters like that I've kept mine hoping for a class action lawsuit one day

    • @VeronicaChapmanFMOTL
      @VeronicaChapmanFMOTL Місяць тому

      "An Occupier" is someone who has invaded, and taken control of somewhere, BY FORCE. For example the way the United States OCCUPIED Iraq. Unless you took over your premises BY FORCE you are simply a Dweller, not an Occupier. Crapita don't understand the English Language. Personally speaking, I simply paid the rent to a Landlord. I didn't move in by gunpoint.

    • @icdgyixify99
      @icdgyixify99 Місяць тому +2

      No, you should send them back with a helpful suggestion.

  • @BloodSkullzRock
    @BloodSkullzRock Місяць тому +84

    I got another one of those 'let us know if you're still not watching tv or pay if you are' letters. Immediately in the bin. I've told them before, I'm not wasting my time telling them again.

    • @Electrowave
      @Electrowave Місяць тому +8

      Yep, they stand out a mile from my other letters, so straight in the bin without opening. I had a lovely red envelope with a window last time 🙂

    • @davidhardaker192
      @davidhardaker192 Місяць тому +3

      It's on a biannual loop. Just ignore.

    • @RS-or8sh
      @RS-or8sh Місяць тому +4

      I genuinely don't need a licence. I refuse to play their passive aggressive games & inform them every 2 yrs that I still don't need one. I've told them once I don't legally need to keep repeating my info. I get a letter from them every month. It's harassing ,bullying behaviour ,How can they get away with it

    • @davidhardaker192
      @davidhardaker192 Місяць тому +1

      @@RS-or8sh the letters stop eventually as they must get the message that it's a waste of resources. I've been license free for over 20 years. I've had one visit in the early years.

  • @WeAreThePeople1690
    @WeAreThePeople1690 Місяць тому +50

    Got a red one today, straight in the bin 😂😂

    • @j0hnf_uk
      @j0hnf_uk Місяць тому +1

      Oooh scary.

    • @andymeadows2768
      @andymeadows2768 9 годин тому

      @@WeAreThePeople1690 you mean we have the power

  • @The_Penguin_Overlord
    @The_Penguin_Overlord Місяць тому +299

    Legally TV License Free Since 2007.

    • @MikeEves
      @MikeEves Місяць тому +19

      Legally gun licence free since 1984

    • @PlantbasedRunners
      @PlantbasedRunners Місяць тому +7

      @@The_Penguin_Overlord Totally Free since 2012

    • @kevinthegerbil2708
      @kevinthegerbil2708 Місяць тому +8

      @@MikeEves Fishing rod licence free for 35 years. Top that. And no visits about it.

    • @Electrowave
      @Electrowave Місяць тому +4

      TV licence free since 2000(ish).

    • @Electrowave
      @Electrowave Місяць тому +3

      @@MikeEves Gun licence free since 1965 🙂

  • @damienmcdonald7610
    @damienmcdonald7610 Місяць тому +41

    So glad i never had a tv license. Had a few letters to which i didnt respond. One visit, i was polite but refused entry and told them i wont let unsolicited visitors in unkess they have a warrant for it. Never had another visit or letter in the 11 years ive lived here 🤣

  • @badensnaxx5804
    @badensnaxx5804 Місяць тому +39

    A friend worked for the GPO, before it was broken up & the BBC parked it's detector vans in their car park when they were in the area. The post lads would let the tyres down & pull the valves out with pliers. Another time they loosened the oil drain nuts in the sump, causing engines to seize up. They were disliked way back in the 1980's as much as today.

  • @willdixon2349
    @willdixon2349 Місяць тому +64

    Simple answer :
    - play a straight game
    - don't declare anything

  • @RicStorm616
    @RicStorm616 Місяць тому +68

    Been licence free for over 5 years, I don't watch any live TV broadcasts at all or iplayer.
    Only using TV for a couple of streaming services, UA-cam, dvd's and gaming.
    Won't watch anything on live broadcast as long as there's a TV Licence, scrap it now.

    • @andymeadows2768
      @andymeadows2768 9 годин тому

      @@RicStorm616 mine is almost 7 years now

  • @nightowl7459
    @nightowl7459 Місяць тому +115

    I don't understand why anyone would want to watch the BBC iplayer? There's nothing worth watching on the BBC, stopped paying my license and delete the iplayer and even their other apps that I wouldn't have needed a license for, a deceitful corporation that I don't like, trust or respect.

    • @Phoenix2312
      @Phoenix2312 Місяць тому

      I dont know... They have some good shows on there... I used to watch Inside No. 9 at my Mothers... But now I am in my own place again and dont want a TV License... I have cannot watch it! I need to wait until all 9 Seasons are done and hope it gets released on DVD! (Or torrent it!)
      Sadly, The vast majority of Good BBC Tv Shows are also OLD... And now shown on the Subscription Service BritBox... So you wont even find them on iPlayer!

    • @christopheredwards7846
      @christopheredwards7846 Місяць тому

      A lot worth watching for me. BBC 2 and 4 especially.

    • @snakedaemongaming6590
      @snakedaemongaming6590 Місяць тому +2

      I haven't watched terrestrial TV since 2010
      Haven't bother with any shows or movie that have been made since then

    • @christopheredwards7846
      @christopheredwards7846 Місяць тому

      @@snakedaemongaming6590 I agree on movies...some great old movies to be found free on You tube.

    • @captainhurricane5705
      @captainhurricane5705 Місяць тому +2

      You say that, but my wife watches crap on there all the time and I can't do anything about it. As for me, I don't watch tv at all.

  • @AndyM_323YYY
    @AndyM_323YYY Місяць тому +124

    So the "No License Needed" declaration is a means for Capita to get you to give them your personal data to help them harass you.

    • @MikeEves
      @MikeEves Місяць тому +22

      Exactly. Imagine phoning the police and saying you don't have guns....

    • @Lungdog
      @Lungdog Місяць тому +8

      Not really, i declare no license needed, and they can give my details to Capita, they will find nothing, because i don't use anything that needs a tv license.

    • @BenRichards7
      @BenRichards7 Місяць тому +10

      @@LungdogWoooosh...

    • @j0hnf_uk
      @j0hnf_uk Місяць тому +5

      The, 'no licence needed', declaration is purely an indicator to earmark those who require special attention, i.e. an increase in targeted harassment in the form of threatening letters.

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому +3

      Exactly.... the nln declaration gives them authorisation to keep your details, whereas if you just cancel your direct debit they forget your name.....

  • @johnbaldwin143
    @johnbaldwin143 Місяць тому +74

    No TV licence since Saville and never again!

    • @linking-it
      @linking-it Місяць тому

      that does not make any sense at all.

    • @user-zu6qn9ux9n
      @user-zu6qn9ux9n Місяць тому +7

      @@linking-itit makes total sense

    • @Lisa-vy4ty
      @Lisa-vy4ty Місяць тому

      Same here, but I have just received a letter from them asking me if I am still not watching the TV

    • @pstanyer1
      @pstanyer1 Місяць тому

      you mean jimmy saville who was never convicted of any offence

    • @johnbaldwin143
      @johnbaldwin143 Місяць тому

      @@Lisa-vy4ty They will ask you to confirm on-line. Read all the questions carefully as they have worde3d them specifically to catch you out!

  • @puckinhell622
    @puckinhell622 Місяць тому +80

    I prefer to waste their time knocking on my door, so I can ignore them!

    • @kevinthegerbil2708
      @kevinthegerbil2708 Місяць тому +11

      That's the way, maximum cost. Maximum free entertainment.

    • @ep1929
      @ep1929 Місяць тому +10

      A non responder / communicator is their worst nightmare.

    • @beccabbea2511
      @beccabbea2511 Місяць тому +2

      We live out in the sticks. Someone did call, once. My husband said "not interested." End of conversation. 😂

  • @jampy3885
    @jampy3885 Місяць тому +35

    Ask for a Subject Access Request instead of FOIA. They have to give you anything related to you include internal emails and memos.

    • @XRyanC179X
      @XRyanC179X Місяць тому

      There are exemptions they can use withhold information.
      Moreover, even if there are no exemptions that apply, they only need to provide information that can be used to identify the requester, not their internal workings.

  • @rottenbeggar
    @rottenbeggar Місяць тому +49

    Defund the Bent BBC 'oh silly me what'am i saying!?.. 'I already have! 😂

  • @DavidJarvis01
    @DavidJarvis01 Місяць тому +86

    Been license fee my whole life. Have never bought one and never will

  • @antoniopalmero4063
    @antoniopalmero4063 Місяць тому +51

    I’ve requested that they cease sending their tv signal onto my property but I’ve not had any response as yet .

    • @windy33a
      @windy33a Місяць тому +12

      As they have not replied to your letter you must start an investigation😂😂

    • @templarseries
      @templarseries Місяць тому +1

      Surround your house in lead then they can't hassle you.

  • @vickyshields1
    @vickyshields1 Місяць тому +40

    I've actually got an email from a few years back saying, "we have noticed you're not using your account. After whatever date they said, your account will be deleted.

    • @andrewwilkins7823
      @andrewwilkins7823 Місяць тому +1

      I had that, I let the account lapse as I never found anything worth watching.
      I Stopped watching live TV completely 2 years ago.
      Never looked back. After a couple of weeks I didn miss it.

  • @petemc5070
    @petemc5070 Місяць тому +8

    Their biased, patronising 'news' reporting eventually put me off paying for the BBC. It's been at least 5 years now, without any live TV or the iPlayer and streaming only - but I've not regretted it for a minute. Well done for speaking up on your channel - you are bang on about this disreputable outfit.

  • @SteveShort-b1g
    @SteveShort-b1g Місяць тому +82

    It's going up to £218 bud disgusting the crap that's on BBC all reports every day

    • @MikeEves
      @MikeEves Місяць тому +17

      Only if you want it to go up, otherwise you pay nothing

    • @kevinthegerbil2708
      @kevinthegerbil2708 Місяць тому +11

      £218 saved on my annual budget.

    • @AkiraFurball
      @AkiraFurball Місяць тому +4

      Price will rise to make up for the loss from the thousands of people that are seeing the light.

    • @nam1956
      @nam1956 Місяць тому +2

      They will transfer the licence fee onto our council tax.
      Then no one can opt out.
      Coming soon 😕

    • @icdgyixify99
      @icdgyixify99 Місяць тому +1

      No, it stays at zero, if you have any sense.

  • @colin79666
    @colin79666 Місяць тому +10

    I got one of these. As I argued back to them, I was watching at a relatives house who does have a licence so no breach of their rules. The snotty email is a disgrace. Since then moved house and just ignore their junk mail and use a fake email address on iPlayer at said relatives.

  • @alaska_uk1303
    @alaska_uk1303 Місяць тому +22

    My 2 year license exemption ran out at the end of September and I had to wait until yesterday for my first begging letter from TVL, standards must be slipping.

    • @MikeEves
      @MikeEves Місяць тому +6

      What about your gun licence exemption? Has that run out too?

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому +3

      Well done.... did you notice they forgot your name on the letter?

  • @grahamritchie8118
    @grahamritchie8118 Місяць тому +78

    Hi chillijon, i received my 6th threat letter today I'm quaking in my boots 😂

    • @mikehipperson
      @mikehipperson Місяць тому +18

      With laughter, I hope?

    • @paulcrisp9861
      @paulcrisp9861 Місяць тому +13

      ​@@mikehippersonsame here I got a letter through the post as the occupier they are going to send the TV GOONS AROUND 🤣😅😱🥶

    • @AndyM_323YYY
      @AndyM_323YYY Місяць тому

      When I first got the threatograms (decades ago) they upset me a great deal. But these days, with all the information on the net to reassure me as to their utter lack of any real meaning, I just file them in a binder. If I ever find myself in court I will hand the binder to the magistrates and ask them would anyone in their right mind cooperate with a company that does this?

    • @paulw4834
      @paulw4834 Місяць тому +13

      I send the threat letter as return to sender don’t need a tv tax. It cost them more money 😂

    • @paulcrisp9861
      @paulcrisp9861 Місяць тому +9

      @@paulw4834 these people act like the bbc gestapo 🤣😅👹😈

  • @marknestbox
    @marknestbox Місяць тому +8

    CJC, you didn't get angry, which is far more fun than anything on the BBC!

  • @keegan773
    @keegan773 Місяць тому +28

    I’ve just had the latest letter.
    This time they are offering to help me get a licence and would like to have someone pop round to my house to assist and advise me.
    I can’t quote it exactly as the letter went straight into the recycling.

  • @MarkFitzgerald2014
    @MarkFitzgerald2014 Місяць тому +27

    An email address is not proof enough of someone using BBC iPlayer services alone. They would need a MAC address and IP address as proof that it accessed in the UK and not been used by a bad actor or third party maliciously. Also a VPN would be able to bypass all this, I would find it near impossible to get a full conviction from any of this information these days as people accounts especially email accounts get leaked by bad actors all the time. You hear it on the news another company had a data breach and millions of customers information leaked, that would include passwords and email address's and lots of other useful information for data brokers to sell on the dark web.

    • @kytestar
      @kytestar Місяць тому +1

      IP address would give a generic location and not your actual home address (hollywood seems to have enabled this myth). MAC address is just the registration of your network card or networking equipment, so would be meaningless to any third party.
      Go to a site that will show you your IP and then do a trace on that and I guarantee it will not show your home address but the main hub of your ISP which is probably in a location within 15 miles of you.

    • @cplcabs
      @cplcabs Місяць тому +1

      @@kytestar how would an ip address give a generic location? The ISP associate the IP address with subscriber information and the Police will get that from the ISP via a court order. Those sites that you speak of are obviously not going to show someone's address because they use standard tools to find locations and they are not privy to the ISPs records so obviously are not going to give the address the IP is associated to at that time,

    • @MarkFitzgerald2014
      @MarkFitzgerald2014 Місяць тому

      @@kytestar IP address uniquely identifies a device connected to the internet. IP addresses are made up of a series of numbers that allow devices to communicate with each other and send and receive data.
      An IP address is made up of four sets of numbers, with the first three representing the network ID and the last representing the host ID. The host ID specifies a specific device on the network. No Hollywood myth, I have been in I.T. and computer sciences for over 30 years. IP address with MAC address will more than identify any device on any network unless it behind a VPN or tor client. You should look up exactly what an IP address is. It how devices communicate and use DNS to make it easier for humans to read this as URL's.

    • @markwatson8714
      @markwatson8714 Місяць тому

      It's just a fishing system. You need an account to use Iplayer, that account has a physical address associated with it. Just compare the accounts logging in to iplayer with the list of addresses with a no license needed declaration and send out a generic email for any that match. Note for example it's another generalised email - 'you've watched iplayer several times' rather than utilising any specific information (you'd at least expect they could provide a couple of dates you were logged in).
      The other thing is there's no actual validation done on the information you provide them for your online account; the system will happily accept addresses such as W1A 1AA (Broadcasting House) or SW1A 0AA (Westminister Palace).

    • @SpareSomeChange8080
      @SpareSomeChange8080 Місяць тому +1

      They can't see your computers' MAC address anyway. They'll need to go to the ISP with the IP, date & time to be able to turn that data into a physical address; and they'll probably need a court order to get that information from them.
      I think an email is plenty of proof that you are using iPlayer, after all it is your email that you created and you own, and they also send a validation email for you to confirm the "no licence needed", and also a validation email when setting up your iPlayer account.
      Just don't be daft and use a different email address. Both outlook and gmail lets you create email aliases that appear to others as a different email address, but will still come to your main inbox; it's a great way of hiding your primary email address.

  • @Dr.Gunsmith
    @Dr.Gunsmith Місяць тому +18

    Wow I got a Red letter one the other day it’s so threatening that I’m thinking of taking legal action.

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому

      It will fail.... these threats are mandatory by the government on the bbc.... just ignore

  • @Braddurs
    @Braddurs Місяць тому +2

    I genuinely do not need a licence. I don't watch anything Live, don't use iPlayer and literally have not done so since I cancelled my TV licence.
    I still get the "You're in trouble, we know!" emails and letters so that tells me they 100% DONT know and are trying it on basically to scare people into paying.

  • @ianherd569
    @ianherd569 Місяць тому +20

    BBC needs to be licence free.

    • @yvonnehayton6753
      @yvonnehayton6753 Місяць тому +1

      Still wouldn't watch it though.

    • @elizabethanthony3916
      @elizabethanthony3916 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@yvonnehayton6753 Same, in fact I wouldn't watch it if they paid me !😂

  • @kevinthegerbil2708
    @kevinthegerbil2708 Місяць тому +9

    Been watching catchup for years. Didn't even know live was still broadcasted these days.

  • @MrTtekcalb
    @MrTtekcalb Місяць тому +3

    It's nice to see you back Mr. Carnie. The other day I looked at your channel and realised you'd not been on for a month and was a bit worried; thought that maybe the BBC had carted you off in the back of a Black Maria or something. Glad you are OK, welcome back.

  • @tonymckenzie3091
    @tonymckenzie3091 Місяць тому +13

    the only license in the world for which you have to apply 'not' to have, and keep applying 'not' to have it every two years....I get a threatening letter every month but must admit I am impressed with their creative ways of threatening with each letter being different from the last

    • @cplcabs
      @cplcabs Місяць тому

      Some countries you have to do it every year

    • @andymeadows2768
      @andymeadows2768 9 годин тому

      @@tonymckenzie3091 don’t worry they won’t turn up they haven’t at mine for almost 7 years

  • @CS-mo7xp
    @CS-mo7xp Місяць тому +10

    a redacted / denied FOI is a contradiction in terms.

  • @VXGaming
    @VXGaming Місяць тому +20

    Just as I was typing just use a dummy email Jon said it.

  • @davidlosinski2914
    @davidlosinski2914 Місяць тому +7

    Used iPlayer when I lived with family who had a TV licence, moved into my own place and did the no licence required thing, not watched live TV or used iPlayer in years (including when I was covered by a licence), but got a letter claiming I was watching iPlayer because I had used iPlayer in the past with my email address when I was covered by a licence and never canceled my iPlayer account.

  • @sirgaz8699
    @sirgaz8699 Місяць тому +11

    I haven't used BBC IPlayer in so long that I didn't even know it needed a login now.
    I last BBC IPlayer show I watched was Dr Who, Peter Capaldi, they were robbing a bank. I think I got about a quarter of the way through it and give up.

  • @barriewilliams4526
    @barriewilliams4526 Місяць тому +27

    I think that it is a mistake to cancel your TV licence. There is no legal requirement to do so, and by doing so, you are just giving them information that they may not have. I do not watch live TV, and when I stopped doing so, I stopped paying them.

    • @MikeEves
      @MikeEves Місяць тому

      People are stupid. They think the BBC is an authority. They are nothing.

    • @DefCon12345
      @DefCon12345 Місяць тому

      A live broadcast, watched a minute after the programme started - is no longer live to the viewer...

    • @timg1246
      @timg1246 Місяць тому +4

      ​@@DefCon12345But it is live when you recorded. So, yes, it does.

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому

      Exactly correct

    • @DefCon12345
      @DefCon12345 Місяць тому

      @@timg1246 but I’m not recording it! In effect, I’m watching a recording of a show…

  • @4stevio
    @4stevio Місяць тому +26

    The BBC licence fee is, and always has been a state or government sponsored protection racket.

  • @DameTremonti
    @DameTremonti Місяць тому +26

    Not bought a Tv licence for years. Everything goes in the bin. They sent someone round to the house, and i told him to F-off. Never heard another word for 2 years. You can use i-player as a guest.

    • @Phoenix2312
      @Phoenix2312 Місяць тому

      @TomOBedlam-i1s No, They dont... They want you to think they do... But they dont!
      If they did... Then they woudl be admitting to government that they dont actually need Capita... They would be admitting they do have another option to collect the license fee and they could be a Subscription service!
      Amazon, Netflix, Sky , Virgin... All Subscription Services... If you dont pay, They terminate your signal... The BBC does NOT! The BBC knows the technology is there - but if they start to use that technology and tracing software... LEAGALLY THEY WOULD LOSE CONTROL OVER INTERNATIONAL AND COMMERCIAL CHANNELS! They CANNOT force Commercial Channels to terminate because someone does not subscribe to the BBC!
      Which is why they use the system they do... Its why they want to keep the Royal Charter! As long as the Royal Charter is in place, they CONTROL ALL BROADCAST TELEVISION! They cannot risk admitting to Government or the Crown that they can indeed go to being a True Subscription Service!
      So, While they may track to a rough location... They dont use tracking software... In either case, I still agree with you that even using a Guest Account - VERY HIGH RISK! I would never advise it! Especially as even with a Guest account, you have to input a Valid Licensed Postcode!

    • @DameTremonti
      @DameTremonti Місяць тому +3

      @TomOBedlam-i1s Don't be ridiculous. How can they trace an IP address to an individual within a multi-occupant household? Sure, they can say i-player was viewed within the household, but they can't then apply a licence fee to an individual, because they don't know who viewed the i-player.

    • @HA05GER
      @HA05GER Місяць тому +2

      ​@TomOBedlam-i1sthey would have to to your isp which are not going to give your information. Also no way of proving that someone isn't on your WiFi without your permission. Itnwould never fly in court you need hard evidence.

  • @Ronald-o9x
    @Ronald-o9x Місяць тому +41

    The BBC is like standing charges, you don't use it but you still have to pay!!

    • @Theforestbandit
      @Theforestbandit Місяць тому

      You dont have to pay if you dont watch their bias rubbishy programs.

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому +4

      You dont have to pay.....

    • @alanrobertson9790
      @alanrobertson9790 Місяць тому +3

      Indeed, far cheaper than having to make decent programs and pushing an agenda that nobody wants.

    • @TheThinker-ce5kq
      @TheThinker-ce5kq Місяць тому +2

      Or not.

    • @L.OB-1
      @L.OB-1 Місяць тому

      NOT IF YOU DON:T WATCH LIVE TV OR ANY BBC CHANNEL

  • @klausgh
    @klausgh Місяць тому +8

    Since I stopped sending the declaration of not needing a TV licence (because the questionnaire is full of traps) I started getting letters 'to the occupier'.

    • @elizabethanthony3916
      @elizabethanthony3916 Місяць тому

      Same here, it seems weird to me, because they had all my info from the declaration statement,
      including my name but now I'm "The Occupier"

  • @HarryAardvark
    @HarryAardvark Місяць тому +11

    Good morning, Jon. I have cancelled my TV licence this morning and it is no longer possible to do it online, I had to ring to speak with them. I was asked in 3 different ways why I no longer needed a licence, and I read out the words on the back of the licence. I was asked if I watched TV from abroad , used Sky or Virgin or used Amazon Prime or Netflix, without them making the difference between Amazon prime video on demand and paid Amazon Prime live streams. I was also asked if I use Freevee and to my knowledge Freevee is an on-demand service. I refused to be drawn in and instead read the words on the back of the TV licence which says’ You no longer need a licence if you do not watch or record Live TV or use BBC iPlayer. I was asked to declare using their words which included examples like Freevee and Amazon Prime but I once more read out this specific statement on the back of my licence. and I hoped that that was clear. I was then asked if I watch TV at all, and I once more read out the words as above. I was then asked if anyone ese in the house watch TV…FS. Finally I was told that my declaration was valid for 12 months and that I would need to redeclare and that an INSPECTOR would visit to check that I wasn’t in contravention of the law relating to receiving broadcasts. I had to confirm my name, address and give an email address. This was an utter ball ache and intentionally deceiving.

    • @beccabbea2511
      @beccabbea2511 Місяць тому +3

      Wow! They don’t 'go quietly into the night' do they? What a load of run around. Give yourself a pat on the back and a medal 🥇 for sticking in out. We just stopped paying ours, we reasoned that if they are still going to 'inspect our premises' if we opted out why bother? So, they pay to send us letters that go straight in the shredder. All those letters x by millions must cost them a fortune. 😂

  • @bobrail733
    @bobrail733 Місяць тому +16

    As COMMENT yesterday I am in 86 year with few health problems received 2 letters recently 2nd yesterday believe I can handle it myself ! What I want to say though is a lot of PEOPLE being threatened by these THUGS are elderly PENSIONERS who should be made aware by FRIENDS RELATIVES,NEIGHBOURS,that they DON'T NEED TO PAY THIS BLACKMAIL ROBBERY 🇬🇧🇬🇧

  • @Rosie-tv3ki
    @Rosie-tv3ki Місяць тому +56

    When I cancelled my licence I cancelled iplayer!

    • @WhiteDieselShed
      @WhiteDieselShed Місяць тому

      My LG TV keeps reinstalling iPlayer, found out how to activate the service/engineer menu and removed iPlayer but its back. Not logged in but back. BBC trying to force us to watch???

    • @scaryjoker
      @scaryjoker 23 дні тому

      ​@@WhiteDieselSheddoesn't matter if it's installed. They still can't prove shit. Just don't let them through the door. Ever.

    • @WhiteDieselShed
      @WhiteDieselShed 23 дні тому

      @@scaryjoker I won the jackpot they are going to visit soon! I wonder if they will actually turn up?

  • @johnw1743
    @johnw1743 Місяць тому +8

    'Sagacity' - the quality of being sagacious or wise. Not to be confused with Saga City which may be an old people's home.

    • @Mishima505
      @Mishima505 Місяць тому

      Isn’t that the nickname for Eastbourne?

  • @internetfairy1
    @internetfairy1 Місяць тому +9

    It's becoming more and more obvious there is an incredible waste of money everywhere. Not just the BBC!

  • @MultiBikerboy1
    @MultiBikerboy1 Місяць тому +11

    Kneeling footballers was the final straw for me. Cancelled 4 years ago…don’t miss it a bit.

    • @loz712
      @loz712 Місяць тому

      Why does a footballers choice to oppose racism affect your TV license?

    • @Goombasareawesome
      @Goombasareawesome Місяць тому

      Was all the sex offenders working for the BBC for me but you do you.

    • @MultiBikerboy1
      @MultiBikerboy1 Місяць тому

      Oh sorry…did they have a choice did they?

    • @MultiBikerboy1
      @MultiBikerboy1 Місяць тому

      @@loz712…and it won’t effect my licence cos I don’t have one anymore and don’t intend to get one ever again.

    • @loz712
      @loz712 Місяць тому

      @@MultiBikerboy1 I'm not sure how people opposing racism impacts you unless you're a racist who is upset that they oppose you.

  • @madwiganer
    @madwiganer Місяць тому +13

    End of the day if you don't pay a TV licence, don't watch iPlayer....

    • @IANHANDS
      @IANHANDS Місяць тому

      AHH what do you know you live in Wigan. Strange place strange people

  • @ironcereal3092
    @ironcereal3092 Місяць тому +3

    The world feels sad at times, then it remembers the UK pay to watch TV, then it laughs and feels happy again!

  • @strongandco
    @strongandco Місяць тому +6

    I'm ashamed to say, I had a TV licence for 20 years and in that time I accessed Iplayer a few times, iirc before you even needed an email address. There was one thing on it worth watching. I didn't bother going back and shortly after canceled my licence. I don't miss it and barely think about the BBC unless I see a news story about it or a ChiliJonCarne video 😆

  • @morpheusmemnoch4160
    @morpheusmemnoch4160 Місяць тому +13

    there's plenty of reasons to have multiple emails these days.

    • @icdgyixify99
      @icdgyixify99 Місяць тому +1

      I even have one called 'spamcan'. They still use it.

  • @stephenholmes1036
    @stephenholmes1036 Місяць тому +28

    32 years on the 19th without subscription. They don't know my name, email address etc.
    I had my letter , rang them using 141 in front of my number.
    They accepted, sent a letter today to the occupier saying that 1 in 10 of people saying they don't need a licence do?
    Lol absolutely pathetic and they know nothing about me.
    I've blocked all my info,
    I do not have any loyalty cards or the like for the same the sell your information and give you peanuts back.

  • @kelvinhorton6983
    @kelvinhorton6983 Місяць тому +3

    I have always wondered about accessing iPlayer on my phone while in the homes of family or friends who have a TV licence.

  • @JumboCod91
    @JumboCod91 Місяць тому +8

    Not only do I get to enjoy life without a tv, but they keep sending me kindling through the post!

  • @sandrahilton4690
    @sandrahilton4690 Місяць тому

    LoL I love listening to you Jon! Thank you again!!

  • @majorcrime6067
    @majorcrime6067 Місяць тому +3

    Declaring no licence needed is the best way to get a visit from them. Just don't engage with them at all.

  • @karolinat4157
    @karolinat4157 Місяць тому +1

    Very interesting, I was wondering myself how do they know. Now that that's explained it's so obvious 😂 Thanks as ever for a fantastic informative video

  • @interstellarhaggis
    @interstellarhaggis Місяць тому +3

    Also sounds legal, most privacy policies contain a clause that they can share your data for law enforcement purposes. But like you said, people need to do more to keep themselves anonimised online

  • @angelacourtney-t1z
    @angelacourtney-t1z Місяць тому +5

    I cancelled my licence this year, I've had 2 letters in the past month saying I have watched and logged into BBC iplayer over the last few weeks 😮 and I have never and if I don't respond by November my No licence needed will be cancelled, is this their new bullying tactic 🙄

  • @PotatoPirate123
    @PotatoPirate123 Місяць тому +7

    Even if they have your login there's no way for them to know that you weren't watching it at a friend's house who has a TV licence, and they won't be able to obtain the IP address user info anyway. It wouid basically be completely non-evidence that could never stand up in court

    • @cplcabs
      @cplcabs Місяць тому

      Oh but there is. When you log in, your IP address is recorded as well. They can then find out which ISP is used from that IP address and get a court order to get the information they need from the ISP. If the IP address is not registered at your address then you will be ok, if it is then you have a problem.

    • @jmargarson
      @jmargarson Місяць тому

      @@cplcabs And that's where a VPN comes in handy.

  • @Fergal283
    @Fergal283 Місяць тому +9

    I completed my 3rd consecutive online "No licence needed" declaration recently. A week later I received a letter almost demanding that I buy a licence. I shredded it, any more letters will be returned to whoever sent it.

    • @susanhines7994
      @susanhines7994 Місяць тому +2

      I can't return my letters as there's no address on the them. They all go in the bin.

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому +1

      Why keep contacting them???? You keep authorising them to keep your detail...

    • @peterc3262
      @peterc3262 Місяць тому

      Stop filling in the form for them. You're just giving them your details over and over again.

  • @usertl2235
    @usertl2235 Місяць тому +35

    I've blocked BBC domains on my firewall. BBC free now!

  • @andrewsmith-xh9sf
    @andrewsmith-xh9sf Місяць тому +2

    You’re ok chilli John, keep trucking.

  • @charlottescott6609
    @charlottescott6609 Місяць тому +3

    Great info ❤👍

  • @tiocfaidh28
    @tiocfaidh28 Місяць тому +2

    Another informative video, thank you! You briefly mentioned cookies... Can anyone comment further on the question of cookies? Basically when a site requests 'yes' or 'no' regarding cookies, we should be declining.. is that right? Thanks

  • @phyllislovelace8151
    @phyllislovelace8151 Місяць тому +4

    Thank you for your commentary Chilli... it is much appreciated

  • @MrOneillrobin
    @MrOneillrobin Місяць тому +2

    Be wary of using fake emails. It is possible that they can tie those to the IP address that your ISP has assigned to your connection/house.
    Also, Children in Need time again - wondering how much 'contingency funds' they currently hold.

  • @keithfreeman7725
    @keithfreeman7725 Місяць тому +21

    I received, today, a 10 day window to get a licence with my status 'temporarily on hold'.
    Thing is... I haven't watched tv at home since 1992, and have informed them a few times.
    If I'm around friends or family I'll suffer netflix.
    Anyway, if I don't get a licence... They'll send the goons around.... ROFLMAO 🤣
    Look forward to their visit, I need to let some steam off. 😁

    • @Sine-gl9ly
      @Sine-gl9ly Місяць тому

      I got exactly the same letter a few days ago. The interesting thing is that the 'reference number' at the top of the letter is _entirely different_ from the reference number at the top of all the other letters sent to me so far this year, which all have - as would be expected - the same ref number.

  • @peterthomas5792
    @peterthomas5792 Місяць тому +2

    Technically they could trace you by your IP address unless you use a VPN, even if you use a fake email.
    They could go to your ISP and request the address assigned to your IP - though they may need some sort of court order to do that.

  • @cd0071
    @cd0071 Місяць тому +16

    Stopped watching bbc's opinions many year's ago.

  • @Axel-g8e
    @Axel-g8e Місяць тому +2

    You also get your collar felt, if you go to a hotel in York and watch I Player there.
    I'm sure it will apply to other hotels and pubs, in other towns too

  • @thuggie1
    @thuggie1 Місяць тому +17

    why would you ever want to watch i player

    • @andypryce1984
      @andypryce1984 Місяць тому

      Sadly only when the football is on BBC.

  • @sunking25
    @sunking25 Місяць тому +2

    To "The Occupier" straight in the bin without opening it.

  • @markdoranoxford48
    @markdoranoxford48 Місяць тому +5

    The prisons are overflowing with violent inmates to the point where every week many of them are released after serving only a small part of their sentences. Why then threaten imprisonment for watching the BBC without a licence?

    • @JupiterThunder
      @JupiterThunder Місяць тому

      Because in this left wing totalitarian state, political crimes are more important than murder and rape.

    • @Micke120872
      @Micke120872 Місяць тому

      You cannot go to prison for not paying the licence. You can only go to prison for refusing to pay the fine for not having a licence when you need one. Simple thing is to ensure your TV is not visible through windows or door/letter box and never let a goon in if they knock on your door.

    • @icdgyixify99
      @icdgyixify99 Місяць тому

      @@Micke120872 People go to prison for not being able to afford the fine. It pays to be either in prison, or to be an illegal migrant in a 4* hotel.

  • @pippip8744
    @pippip8744 Місяць тому +1

    The letters can be cut into strips and composted. In the unlikely event of them turning up at your door just tell them to go away.

  • @awhisperinthewind4253
    @awhisperinthewind4253 Місяць тому +17

    I hate that iplayer came pre-installed on my tv and I can't uninstall it

    • @timg1246
      @timg1246 Місяць тому +8

      You can blame the government for that little trick.

    • @terencejay8845
      @terencejay8845 Місяць тому

      I wanted to delete all the channels I never watch, but you can't. I was told I have to place the channels I do watch in a 'Favourites' folder. This was a while ago, before I stopped watching broadcast TV.

    • @oddball6992
      @oddball6992 Місяць тому

      @@terencejay8845on my Sony tv I deleted my iPlayer, settings apps, delete app, then clear cookies if you have that feature

    • @robtheplod
      @robtheplod Місяць тому

      You dont need to delete it....

    • @awhisperinthewind4253
      @awhisperinthewind4253 Місяць тому +3

      @@robtheplod that's not the point, I don't want or need it so should be allowed the option to remove it

  • @pendleeuropa2000
    @pendleeuropa2000 Місяць тому +2

    Hi would like to add as an I.T professional myself they can just match the I P address with your address. However if you use a VPN it's hidden. Sadly what I'm hearing is the courts have told internet providers have to release I P addresses to stop piracy and illegal streaming. I received one of these letter when my son went on BBC iPlayer at mine as I hand uninstalled it. So using a false email address will make no difference as they will have your I P address !!

    • @tisme1105
      @tisme1105 Місяць тому

      I've never seen a fellow IT professional refer to IP address as "I P address". That's not wrong just not the norm.
      Also, if it were IP address based, with access to ISP address records, email wouldn't be needed/relevant at all.

    • @-TriP-
      @-TriP- Місяць тому

      Well as an "IT professional" you should be aware that you cannot trace an IP address to an individual residence, only as far as the local exchange. Only your ISP can provide that information (and only with a court order) unless you've freely handed it out.

    • @pendleeuropa2000
      @pendleeuropa2000 Місяць тому +1

      True and it's my phone for the first comment lol......bad at typing.... Anyway for the second comment the courts have ordered all internet providers to provide I.P addresses to any organisation investigating illegal streaming end off. That includes any streaming service including BBC IPlayer. They are not stupid lol....

    • @tisme1105
      @tisme1105 Місяць тому

      @@pendleeuropa2000 fair enough :)
      Do you have a source for general court ordered ISP disclosure of customer address data?

  • @sarahdeverell7302
    @sarahdeverell7302 Місяць тому +4

    Why do we need or want the BBC

  • @chatham43
    @chatham43 Місяць тому

    Got one of those even though I've never used the Player. Incidentally if I do at an address with a licence is that OK?

  • @fionagardner4257
    @fionagardner4257 Місяць тому +6

    Sign in with a ten minute email. when did a public company become a private company. paid for by the public ??????????

  • @greenaum
    @greenaum Місяць тому

    Sagacity, it's "sah-GA-city". Rhymes with "capacity". More or less. Means "wisdom", as in "sage". Apart from that, Jon, keep up the good work, been watching these videos for years. You're our own Luke Skywalker.

  • @ChristopherBennett-rq5nq
    @ChristopherBennett-rq5nq Місяць тому +4

    Its like parking tickets on supermarket car parks. Ive never paid 1 and had loads of tickets

  • @rbir2653
    @rbir2653 Місяць тому +4

    Wait a moment. What is in the privacy notice of saaga city? They would need consent to share with tv licencing. Something is fishy here

    • @Holycurative9610
      @Holycurative9610 Місяць тому

      People who sign up for iplayer consent in the ts and cs, there is nothing fishy. When you apply you give them permission and very few people ever bother to anonymise the info BBC receives not that that would do much good anyway. The BBC/TVL/Capita have the contract with Sagacity and not the people who cancel their licence with an email address and then use the same email to sign up for a service they can't legally watch.

    • @rbir2653
      @rbir2653 Місяць тому

      @@Holycurative9610 all sources of personal data must have a legal basis. Just iplayer terms are not enough. All sources of data must have a legal basis.

  • @RWVegan
    @RWVegan Місяць тому +2

    I do the no licence needed but am moving soon and there's no way I'm ever passing on my details to them in future.

  • @Dazzle627
    @Dazzle627 Місяць тому +4

    No because Saga city would have a IP address with the email address that you logged into. But that doesn't necessarily mean that your using it at that address. You could be using it at a friend's house that has BBC I player. They would still have to know that IP address and only your broadband provider would know for certain it is yours. Your broadband provider would not give that information out. It has to be 100% prof to prosacute you.

    • @farmersteve129
      @farmersteve129 Місяць тому +1

      Your broadband provider is legally obligated to provide data for law enforcement activities. As to 100% proof - that's not true, the legal test is "beyond reasonable doubt"

    • @Dazzle627
      @Dazzle627 Місяць тому

      @@farmersteve129 nan not TV Licence. They wouldn't be able to get that. It's like if the TV Licence inforcement agents as they call them. They can't enter your property as its a Civil Matter. They say if you don't let them in they can apply for a search warrant. But that doesn't mean they can get one. It's in the wording can, not will. Plus they need evidence to get a search warrant. Like admitting to it, thats when it becomes Criminal and they could then do something. Yes your broadband provider does legally provide data to law enforcement but for a TV Licence I very much doubt it. TV Licence wouldn't have that much power. Plus if they are able to then they wouldn't be sending out all thoses fishing Emails saying you have logged into I player that they send out to anyone that's cancelled their TV Licence. As chill said in one of his other videos about that fishing email. Going by feed back that he's 99% sure it's a fake. Which means if they did know then they wouldn't be sending out fishing emails. It's only the Big Criminals like people selling illegal TV Packages with Sky Sports, movies, on a fire stick, or selling them with it hacked or if its scammers stealing money or hacking etc.

    • @icdgyixify99
      @icdgyixify99 Місяць тому

      You do not have a fixed ip address. You are given a temporary one by the ISP which can expire and then be given to someone else, while you are given a new one. Google DHCP.

    • @ExileRadio
      @ExileRadio Місяць тому

      Sagacity collect data from Virgin Media I believe so they might be able to combine that with the email address used to access iplayer.
      You can request to opt out of this though through the Sagacity website.

  • @pelfking
    @pelfking Місяць тому +2

    It is a fishing exercise. Having data showing that an iPlayer account associated with an email address has been used does not link that usage to an unlicenced address.

    • @Demonarrows1
      @Demonarrows1 Місяць тому

      It does if people use the same email address for saying they don't need a licence. Wouldn't hold up in court for a second but that's how they are doing it. Different email address = no worries.