Three SDA Pastors Interview A Former Adventist
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- What is a Seventh-Day Adventist? Three Adventist pastors from the Seeking What They Sought podcast (@seekingwhattheysought8247) invited me onto their podcast to discuss this question and more which led to a lively back and forth over the nature of SDA theology, what constitutes being an Adventist, the role that Ellen G. White plays in the movement, and more.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Meet Myles: Former Adventist
1:06 - Conversion Story: Finding Faith
8:15 - Understanding the Gospel
11:23 - Adventist Upbringing Insights
16:30 - Exploring Ellen White's Influence
19:56 - Adventism's Cult-Like Aspects
23:54 - Debating: Is Adventism a Cult?
27:53 - Walter Martin's View of SDA
32:18 - Leaving the Adventist Faith
32:50 - Examining the Adventist Gospel
40:43 - Analyzing Adventist Fundamental Beliefs
42:14 - Interpretation of Adventist Doctrines
46:20 - Confidence in Ellen White's Teachings
51:06 - Personal Exit Stories
54:47 - Concept of Bible-Only Adventism
57:13 - Evaluating Miles's Arguments
57:55 - The Authority of Ellen White
1:02:16 - Formation of Adventist Beliefs
1:04:54 - Ellen White's Theological Impact
1:09:06 - Adventist Theology vs Scripture
1:11:56 - Staying Adventist Despite Disagreements
1:12:57 - Reasons for Remaining in Adventism
1:14:17 - Defending Adventist Principles
1:18:07 - Seeking Adventist Founders' Vision
1:21:50 - Adventist View on the Trinity
1:25:12 - Adventist Interpretation of the Gospel
1:29:10 - Defining Adventism
1:31:15 - Debating Adventist Definitions
1:36:02 - Concluding Thoughts
1:39:10 - Understanding Adventist Identity
1:40:25 - Addressing Black and White Issues
1:46:35 - Discussing Jesus's Humanity
1:47:44 - Jesus: Fully God and Fully Man
1:50:26 - Jesus's Omnipresence Debate
1:52:10 - Jesus's Earthly Experience
1:57:55 - Final Reflections
2:00:17 - Agreement with Ted Wilson's Views
2:01:23 - Addressing Adventist Concerns
2:06:24 - Dissonance within Adventism
2:07:35 - Dissent and Diversity in Adventism
2:09:35 - Adventist Church Perfection Debate
2:15:37 - Investigative Judgment Discussion
2:21:32 - Satan's Role as Scapegoat
2:25:10 - Mormonism vs Christianity
2:27:24 - Investigative Judgment Revisited
2:29:15 - Adventism's Identity Dilemma
2:33:17 - Gospel According to Adventism
2:36:18 - Closing Remarks
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ:
Man is a sinner (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8) and our sin has separated us from our Maker (Isaiah 59:2). In His grace, God entered into His own creation in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14; Col. 1:19), born of a virgin (Matt. 1:23), and lived a perfect and sinless life, fulfilling all the Law’s demands (2 Cor. 5:21; Matt. 5:17), on a mission by God the Father to save sinners from condemnation (John 3:16-18, 6:37-40). He paid the penalty for sin which is death (Romans 6:23) and bore the sins of His people in His body on a cross (1 Peter 2:24), making propitiation by His blood (Romans 3:25). He died, was buried, and resurrected in the same body He died in on the third day for our justification (1 Cor. 15, Romans 4:25; Luke 24:39). By a living faith (James 2:18) in the Person and Work of Jesus (Romans 10:9-10), God graciously declares a person righteous (Romans 4:5), they are reconciled to their Creator (Romans 5:10-11), given Christ’s righteousness in full (Phil. 3:8-9), sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13), and have peace with God (Romans 5:1). They are born again of the Spirit (1 John 5:1, Titus 3:5), adopted into His family(Eph. 4:5-7), and are granted eternal resurrection life in Jesus Christ (1 John 5:11), set free to do good works that please Him (Eph. 2:10; 1 John 2:3-4). Jesus will physically return one day to judge the living and the dead (1 Peter 4:5; Acts 24:15; John 5:24-5), throwing the wicked out of His Kingdom (Matt. 13:41-3), but His people will be spared from the wrath to come (1 Thess. 1:10) to dwell in union with God forever (Rev. 21:3).
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Meet Myles: Former Adventist
1:06 - Conversion Story: Finding Faith
8:15 - Understanding the Gospel
11:23 - Adventist Upbringing Insights
16:30 - Exploring Ellen White's Influence
19:56 - Adventism's Cult-Like Aspects
23:54 - Debating: Is Adventism a Cult?
27:53 - Walter Martin's View of SDA
32:18 - Leaving the Adventist Faith
32:50 - Examining the Adventist Gospel
40:43 - Analyzing Adventist Fundamental Beliefs
42:14 - Interpretation of Adventist Doctrines
46:20 - Confidence in Ellen White's Teachings
51:06 - Personal Exit Stories
54:47 - Concept of Bible-Only Adventism
57:13 - Evaluating Miles's Arguments
57:55 - The Authority of Ellen White
1:02:16 - Formation of Adventist Beliefs
1:04:54 - Ellen White's Theological Impact
1:09:06 - Adventist Theology vs Scripture
1:11:56 - Staying Adventist Despite Disagreements
1:12:57 - Reasons for Remaining in Adventism
1:14:17 - Defending Adventist Principles
1:18:07 - Seeking Adventist Founders' Vision
1:21:50 - Adventist View on the Trinity
1:25:12 - Adventist Interpretation of the Gospel
1:29:10 - Defining Adventism
1:31:15 - Debating Adventist Definitions
1:36:02 - Concluding Thoughts
1:39:10 - Understanding Adventist Identity
1:40:25 - Addressing Black and White Issues
1:46:35 - Discussing Jesus's Humanity
1:47:44 - Jesus: Fully God and Fully Man
1:50:26 - Jesus's Omnipresence Debate
1:52:10 - Jesus's Earthly Experience
1:57:55 - Final Reflections
2:00:17 - Agreement with Ted Wilson's Views
2:01:23 - Addressing Adventist Concerns
2:06:24 - Dissonance within Adventism
2:07:35 - Dissent and Diversity in Adventism
2:09:35 - Adventist Church Perfection Debate
2:15:37 - Investigative Judgment Discussion
2:21:32 - Satan's Role as Scapegoat
2:25:10 - Mormonism vs Christianity
2:27:24 - Investigative Judgment Revisited
2:29:15 - Adventism's Identity Dilemma
2:33:17 - Gospel According to Adventism
2:36:18 - Closing Remarks
Born and raised in the SDA organization and never heard the gospel. Until I left at the age of 40.
Yes. Heard it at 19 for the first time myself.
@@answeringadventism I am now 51. Took about 5 years to untangle the mess I learned. Never thought of going back. I know God would not tell me to go back to false organization portraying itself as christian. An organization who believes abortion is a religious freedom of choice. That is satanic. It’s all about the money nowadays.
Fourth generation SDA (well former) and it was my whole life for 27 years! My heart finally learned the true gospel laid out black and white 2 years ago. Praise God.
The thing that was always so confusing to me was Adventism has the same TERMS (made righteous by faith) but different DEFINITIONS
see my whole life I did not understand because I was not taught the true nature of us, I didn’t understand that it was our actual spirit that was born dead, and that when we believe in what Jesus did that he raises our spirit from death to life, which then seals us with the Holy Spirit, (Ephesians 1) and that’s how we are declared righteous and how the law has nothing to do with that miracle, where we now operate under the law of Christ in a different covenant and led by the spirit and not the letter of the law.
Then reading Galatians knocked me over. I had never read it before in my life. It literally blew me away two years ago when I learned the truth.. it was like reading the New Testament with completely new eyes
It wasn’t until I was about 35 for me but thank God I can at least raise my children in Spirit & Truth or the Gospel.
Same, heard the gospel at 30.
Im going to pray for these young men to have their eyes open. I left 10 years ago, I didn’t know the gospel, I didn’t know or understand the trinity, I had horrible health problems due to the Adventist health message, I didn’t know the Bible period. I was taught to believe fellow believers were evil and that they would kill me. I had terrifying experiences in my SDA elementary and middle school where we were put through abusive scare tactics to “prepare” us for the torture we would face by other Christians. They put a little girl who was claustrophobic in a plastic container and yelled at her to share the 3 angels message. She was screaming so loud that the teacher eventually let her out and she cried, filled with guilt, believing she failed God.
Praise God He is so merciful , so loving, and I finally know Him. I now understand His word through the Holy Spirit that opened my eyes.
Thanks be to God!
This was my favourite interview so far.
Myles' testimony in the beginning really resonated with me as mine is quite similar.
I too have had an encounter with the Lord one night in my bedroom, and literally overnight all of my desires changed. I developed this intense hunger to read the Bible, from start to finish. The Word of God became so alive to me, and even though I had read the Bible before, it was like I was seeing some scriptures for the first time.
Everything changed from that point on - my way of thinking, my perspective on worldly things, my desire for wordly entertainment disappeared etc.
I started to hate the things that God hates, and had this intense burden for souls.
All I can say is that once the Lord encounters you, and the scales are removed, it's impossible to go back to the old way of thinking.
That’s it. 🙏
This is the true experience of salvation by grace my brother
@@answeringadventism Hey Myles, the great smiles of Myles. My 84 year old mom says your a handsome young man. I digress.
Can you take a moment of your busy time to gander at a video on YT. (easy Clickism if I posted a link, so a quick searchism is a practice I do)
ANTICHRIST WORSHIP! Ancient History to Modern Times | Dr. Gene Kim
To this fella called KIM the GENIE or GENIE bin Kim, all the likes of John MacArthur, RC Sproul, Jeff Durbin, Jamse White, and other Reformed Theologians are FAKES...ie ANTICHRIST, always projecting himself as the "all knowing". I've stopped listening to his podcasts/sermons when he started calling my favorite Evangelical preacher, Dr J Mac as a false preacher! Whay a silly bloke this Genie the son of Kim!!
Agreed! This was my favorite video yet. The respectful dialogue was so refreshing when so much content on youtube is "owning" each other.
Myles I wanna thank you for changing my life bro.
❤
Former for 10 years now and for the 61 years in Adventism, 4th generation, I did Not know Jesus Christ is God Almighty, fully God and fully Man - even in the incarnation. Raised directly with Ellen G White writings as the full understanding of what the Bible says and means. My 42 year old daughter has Never read a Ellen G White book and Yet speaking with her she is explaining to me her beliefs that come directly out of Ellen as if she’d read Ellen’s books and thus the understanding of the Scriptures she has is fully Ellen G White’s writings.
I did not know the Gospel either. Oh I just knew “the three angels message” as the gospel message only. I certainly understood Sabbath keeping meant salvation.
Myles spoke truth. Are the SDA pastors willing to loose salvation because of their family. The true gospel doesn’t change. Good job Myles. Proud of you!
This was one of the most articulate and cordial debates I have ever watched. I pray these three SDA pastors will be convicted through the power of the Holy Spirit, receive the true gospel of Jesus Christ and renounce their faith and teachings of the Adventist doctrine, that they would be born again and joined to the Body of Christ in the name of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen
@@jacquiemorgan1361 If you are truly concerned for my soul and in fulfilling the great commission set me on the right track.
@@jacquiemorgan1361 Galatians 2:21 “I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” The law was given to the Jews not the Gentiles…..In James own words in agreement with the Apostles at the Jerusalem council Acts 15:19-20 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood……….not a word about Sabbath keeping.
Amen. I second your prayer. These men seem genuine. I pray the words spoken in this video stay on their mind, that they would be willing to go wherever the Lord calls and that they hear and comprehend that still small voice.
@@greywisker3180 Now read Acts 15:21 where James clearly states that Gentiles were instructed in the Law _every Sabbath_ . So yes, there is a word about Sabbath keeping. It doesn't say the Gentiles were instructed on Sunday or any other day. The Sabbath is a permanent institution. So says God Himself in Exo. 31:16.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Acts 15:21 does not say that. You have misspoke. And Exodus 31:16 says……..”Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant”
You can't be an Adventist without affirming the fundamental beliefs. All of them!. These people need to understand this fact! If their conferences even heard this conversation, these pastors wouldn't be allowed to preach anymore!
I was thinking the same, won't these men get into trouble for disagreeing with their core doctrines.. I was screamed at for questioning EGW visions
Its because you can't be against anything related to EGW as you can only be baptized and called an Adventist if you accept her and everything she said. You deny that belief, then you're not an Adventist.
SDA are similar to Islam if you delve deeper into it
Great conversation! Really like these guys. They're not far off from the kingdom. We all need to pray that God will open their eyes and hearts to accept the true gospel and reject Adventism. It seems that they might be there but just can't seem to let go of Adventist culture, community and structure. May God continue to work on their hearts and minds.
If you reject and ignore everything Ellen ever said or wrote, you will NEVER have the suppositions or come to the conclusions the Adventist church has.
Amen. It’s a spiritual stronghold. Notice he said “ I genuinely tried to leave Adventism, but it’s like I couldn’t”
That is a spiritual stronghold. Let’s keep praying
Amen! I’d really like to highlight what you said about people seeming like they understand the errors of Adventism but not wanting to or being able to leave because of the comfort they find in the Adventist culture, community, and structure. It’s sooo hard to leave such a well-connected circle that you’ve been in your whole life. I pray that my friends and myself can rely on God for the courage to leave and seek a church community that teaches the true gospel. 🙏
Hey Myles, I too am a third generation former 7. I appreciate your work on these videos and what you and others are doing. My story, what it comes down to, was reading the Bible in context and letting the Bible interpret itself. I know this is how a lot of us have overcome false teachings and false gospels. Praise God, Holy Spirit, and The Word my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Now for the comment I have from watching the video. It is always interesting to me that the 7s love to say " Reading egw is meant to point people back to reading the Bible " Yet when they ask you , " How come you don't go to a 7 church anymore and why don't you subscribe to the 7s beliefs? ' And you answer, I read the Bible. They look at you with bewilderment. You said in the beginning of this video, that you got a hunger for the Word of God. So that is awesome right? I think that it is. When I tell people that I grew up with or my family members, that it was reading the Bible as to why I don't agree with the 7s theology, some then start to tell me I don't know anything and don't understand the 7 beliefs. As if I didn't even grow up with them and was taught the very same thing. It is so sad. The 3 responses that I get when telling my story are 1. I never knew of the contradictions between the Bible and egw. I am going to look into that. Then after some time and reading their Bibles, they pop smoke and leave. 2. Don't tell me anymore, because I like where I am at and what I am doing so leave me alone. 3. You have gone off the deep end. Argh, you are gonna get the mark of the beast! Again thank you.
Yes, classic. If you disagree with the fundamentals then , "you didn't properly understand them". I see this a lot.
Yes, and the few times that i have been able to have more lengthy conversations about the fundamentals,( which by the way, are a lot as fundamentals go) they really don't know what they are themselves. And I understand that because I really didn't know them well either until I took the Gospel of Jesus to heart and examined them for myself. Defending beliefs that you don't really know what they are is crazy. I will continue to Pray and have conversations with my loved ones and friends. Thank you for your reply.@@Liz.StudentoftheKing
Hey!! 7DAs..., how am I gonna be getting the 666 Mark of the Beast when I shall long have been RAPTURED at Pre-Trib??? 7DAs don't believe in the RAPTURE of the FOLLOWERS of YESHUA HAMASHIACH, so, they should stop being naive by telling NON-7DAs that they shall be getting the 666 Mark!!
Brilliantly stated. No 7 really wants to challenge their views Biblically when they realize they have been duped. It was hard for me as well. I’m a product of 3rd gen 7 and my father and grandfather were both ministers. As a very young child, I had questions that were never answered clearly about 7’s doctrine. When I started studying the Bible, everything I had been taught, could no longer be valid.
One more interesting thing that happened when we canceled our 7 membership was, when the 7 pastor asked why we were leaving, they wanted to make sure that it wasn't an issue with somebody or the 7 staff. When we explained that it was absolutely not, but was completely a matter of who Jesus is and what He has done, (The Gospel) and not agreeing with 7 fundamental beliefs, they immediately said "we respect your decision and goodbye. They were no longer wanting to discuss anything else or any further conversation. My wife and I thought that it was quite telling. Especially since we were quite involved volunteering there, and members for almost 40 years.
@@carolgriffiths8511
Fascinating conversation. I remember feeling very similar to these men when I was preparing for the SDA ministry as a theology major. You're convinced that the Pioneers and even EGW are in need of correction; you cannot transfer to another denomination because your beliefs are too far afield, and so you remain and "fight" for the gospel. But you know deep down you can never win. You eventually view the divisions within Adventism as a strength. "We're a big tent." You give up belief in the church's authority to delineate correct teaching. Conviction feels "back and white"; doctrinal precision seems combative and impractical. I've seen it too many times. Lord, have mercy.
This was me. For a little while, and then I started to learn too much about Ellen White, the occultism, the awful things she and James did, not even mentioning all of the heretical stuff she taught. It was just too much. I could no longer hinge myself to a group that supported and pushed that. It’s really sad that these three guys are stuck in that position and I really feel for them I just keep praying that they would ask God for the strength to take a stand
@@bbsvchic Amen 🙏
Omg wow...that's exactly it.
Great show. It is funny that these guys are good at misdirection and ignoring EGW whenever it is convenient.
Adventists do not have the gospel that saves.
Good stuff Myles!! Please keep these discussions coming.
I don’t miss anything from this cult, I’m so relived knowing the I don’t have to pretend anymore. I feel secure in Jesus I just need him in my life and I keep praying for my family that someday they will open their eyes and see the truth
Thanks
Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. He also said that heaven and earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away. Some of you are just loving the new wave church, where you can support what God calls an abomination, willfully living in sin, supporting homosexuality, shacking up, elective abortions. A true church will teach all of the Bible from cover to cover. Some of you hate hearing about sin so you will gravitate towards the church that remains silent against sin and you love to embrace the very liberal church. But remember Heaven and earth shall pass away, but His words will never pass away. If you love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS...
Tthis was interesting.no one on the panel seemed to have waged any physical irspiritual battle with satans army. I think they are all wrong. Be blessed.
You did an amazing job Myles. It is more than obvious how thick the SDA veil is and they just can’t see it. One moment you think they are on the right path, and then they mention well that’s where I was born, my family, blah blah blah. I honestly hope for them (and any other SDA as well) that they will be willing to follow Jesus no matter what!!! You planted the seed. May God bless you and them as well!
Awesome interview. I wish everyone could debate this corditrially. I hope God rescues these 3 young man. Miles, your making a difference. Continue the fight for Truth ❤
Thank you for planting the seeds to these 3 young pastors, hoping they will open their eyes soon before they lead more people astray. Thanking God for you and your bravery.
Thanks Myles and the 3 pastors for a great discussion. Hope you all do it again.
I just finished watching; your ending statement is the Gospel Truth.
Really great discussion! I’ve been waiting to see this one and it did not disappoint. Myles you are a warrior, thank you for your boldness. I appreciate that these pastors were honest about where they’re at and and I pray this plants seeds. Would love to see more conversations with them.
My greatest prayer is that Adventists will actually hear and believe the gospel of our salvation (1 Cor 15:1-4). The three angels messages cannot save anyone. But unless the GC will allow pastors to preach the true Gospel and the completed Atonement (2000 yrs ago), and come to grips with the Jesus Christ and the One Triune God of Scripture, how will they ever be converted? Only Jesus saves us. Ellen White , the 3 angels msgs., law keeping and the sabbath cannot save anyone. None of those things are the power of God unto salvation. Fantastic job as always, Myles.
Absolutely correct and spot on brother in Christ.
Once they allow the enemy to blind their minds with his lies and deceptions, it will be very difficult, if not, impossible for them to allow the Holy Spirit to lead them out to the true gospel of Jesus Christ which can set them free.
Otherwise, they will remain blinded until Jesus returns for His church at rapture.
I totally agree with you.
Follow the money
I have a question to ask you
What's now the gospel?
This 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Myles, this interview goes to show that you were correct in another video when you said the field of Adventism is untapped and ripe for picking.
It was bizarre how often the pastors agreed with you. At one point, they seemed to conceed that Adventism teaches a false gospel, but later retracted. I believe you planted some great seeds here. May another come along and water.
One pastor admitted he would not be an Adventist if it wasnt for family. Adventism is a culture in itself. The sense of community and family is profound. However, Culture and family are not good enough reasons to stay in a religion.
The Adventist laity is truley a special people and my heart goes out to them as they were my family for nearly a decade. It's time for Adventist to face the music and realize, they're not going to be able to change the organization or the fundamentals. God has offered the church many opportunities to repent of false doctrines and of the false prophet, but the organization has refused. It's time to get out of this false religion.
Myles; continue to speak candidly, continue to ask the tough questions, continue to press and hold their feet to the fire. God is calling His people into his family.
God Bless
I love this very calm dialogue between the 3.
I'm Catholic and have learned alot from the conversation. Myles is doing great. Thanks
I love these guys. I think the guy on the right was hit with some things to think about and seemed to be in a bit of denial at the endish but never the less love and appreciate their willingness to cordially talk and be honest.
Thank you guys and thank you myles for hammering the gospel at the end because that's what it's about.
Yes. Big respect to them for inviting me on and having a good chat. Another discussion with them upcoming possibly 👀
Why are those 3 SDA if they want to define it “their” own way……..they’re openly defending the very things that they AGREE IS FALSE!? 😅😂
They don’t want to potentially lose friends or the paycheck
Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword. "I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Your enemies will be right in your own household!" Matthew 10:34-35
Beliefs are more nuanced than we would like to consider. Genetics, habits and age cause us to communicate and understand ideas differently.
@@rayray4192 That is true, but how one understands and communicates biblical truth is subjective to a certain extent. This should not be ignored if a culture of understanding is to be created. Even the Bible can attest this idea. If we cannot accept the diversity of humanity we will continue to war among ourselves as if God made all of humanity as one organism rather than individual, thinking beings.
Finished up, I think the problem is their ecumenist spirit. They say over and over "we agree with that"... Well guys it's not what you would include in your beliefs, it's the fact that you won't exclude the wrong beliefs!
For example, regarding the Trinity, they think it's okay to say 3 beings because later it says 3 persons. It doesn't matter if you later say the right thing, the fact that you also include believing the wrong thing totally nullifies the correct thing. Making such a blunder of "3 beings" but saying "well it's okay because it says 3 persons later" is the equivalent of standing before a judge saying "but your honor, look at all the people I didn't murder!" Wrong is wrong and these guys are acting like Jello with their beliefs not realizing how contradictory and flakey their theology is.
I think Myles if you have another talk with them, it might be best to get them to state definitively what should NOT be believed. SDAs include anti trinitarians in their ranks often and that would be abhorrent to the church fathers, but I don't think these guys would care.
I have a couple of questions.. 2 of the 3 pastors said that they felt they could use their position to preach the true gospel … I was under the impression (former SDA w/family & friends still in it) that the Gen Conf dictates/provides the sermon subject matter, Sabbath School lessons, & Bible Reading plans (which are more EGW than Bible). So if I’m correct on that- how will these pastors follow through with preaching the true gospel to their churches?
Also, why be in a denomination that does not even make clear their statement of faith & beliefs?These pastors indicated, “well we know what it truly means..” so what about members or potential believers who research the denomination? Is it okay that ppl may turn away from further study or worship, since nothing is actually made clear?
The Bible says that those who are called to exhort the gospel are held to a higher standard of obedience. Because they are influencing so many ppl.. I got the distinct impression that none of the 3 pastors actually seemed concerned with that.. 🤔 again, did I miss something? If so, please enlighten..
My own dealings with unanswered questions & mixed messages is exactly why I left. After attending their schools through academy.
Thankfully a true man of God preached the true gospel to me, which I accepted. And it is GOOD NEWS!
I would like to ask all 3 pastors to reply to one question.. do you believe that you are saved by faith alone? And that your good works (aka fruits) are evidence of salvation NOT requirements? It’s a simple question.. easily answered by Gods Word.. nothing/no-one else needed..
God bless you Myles.. what courage you have to take on 3 to 1.. keep sharing the GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
You can’t preach the true gospel, the system and traditional conservative SDA won’t let you. There will always be a pushback.
I remember when me and my wife first began debating sda'ism. I asked her what the gospel and salvation is and she had no answers for me. It was as if she didn't even know what the words meant.
This is one area where I disagree with these gentlemen. They say that they(sda people) have and understand the gospel just as myles explained it about the Christian church yet their people can't even define it.
To answer your questions:
1. No the GC does not dictate what to preach
2. No the Sabbath School quarterly is not required
3. Yes you can preach the real gospel in an adventist church
4. There are certain sacred cows that cannot be confronted publicly yet.
5. God does keep calling us here to reach sda as they need Jesus too.
6. Adventism is changing, especially since the internet.
7. There are 3 Adventisms: left humanist, right pioneer worshippers, center evangelical; and that includes conferences too.
Well done Myles!
I also find that one of the answers to the dilemma that at least two out of three of the young SDA paid pastors in this video are feeling with regards to differences of understandings aside from CHRIST and the Gospel is embracing the ekklesia/assembly understanding.
Great Job Miles!
My the LORD call these men out of darkness
Wow what a great video , great job Myles and great job sda pastors for such openness and humbleness to be teachable and being honest about flaws in sda doctrine
@Answering Adventism @Myles i know this was some time back. You planted the seeds in these 3 and God does the rest, i pray they'll contact you to start the process of leaving Adventism. Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
Listening to these fellows speak keeps bringing a verse to mind.
Acts 26:28-29 KJV
Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. [29] And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
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I pray for those 3 and also for those that what this that a seed has been planted.
I'm impressed. Especially pointing out how they spoke of how you spoke well and not "how you were raised." To me, this brings up how many adventist children have been brainwashed, poisoned, and abused in the name of the denomination. It's a huge problem that needs to be addressed more. I'm speechless that the pastors in this video can continue with the lies of the SDA beginning and the beliefs.
@ time mark 1:13:39 after Myles asks a great question, I think the response here is common to many SDA's...they would choose man (love of family that are in the culture of Adventism) over honoring God and God's word.
The gentleman in the middle"Our goal is to win you (Myles) back to the one true church"jokes aside, I asked an Adventist elder why are you lamenting for my soul because I rejected EGW and her movement? Adventism and their 28 fundamental beliefs cannot get us into Heaven only Jesus can
Adventism are not only a different tree, but a tree in completely different paddock. Atleast the SDA tree isn't standing alone, they stand next to the tree of Mormonism and Jehovah Witness...ism.
At 51 minutes the pastor on the far left says, Myles we feel your pain.... It's not pain Myles is conveying, it's the difference between the bible and Ellen White's righteousness by faith.
🔥Ellen white is not a prophet 🔥she was only pioneer, was crazy history Ellen didn't know how to write. Is 😧
Definitely a great interview. Thanks for the video all of you.
That was an informative and solid interaction. I commend the 3 SDA Pastors for being willing to confront their theological oddities by answering Adventism. Remember folks, Ellen White was a "rabid" anti-Trinitarian to her death. Read the August 29, 1878 (Volume 52 No. 10) Sabbath Herald Article written by D.M. Canright and tell me if ANY of it is compatible with the Doctrine of the Trinity. Next look up the August 22nd 1878 Sabbath Herald (Volume 52 No. 9) and read "THE COLORADO TENT" article wherein you may observe it gloated that Ellen White herself REVISED / EDITED Canright's August 29, 1878 Personality of God article that was militantly anti-Trinitarian. This alone should close the case on the subject of Ellen White leading the SDA Church to adopt the Trinity - it's outrageous to suggest such a thing.
My grandfather was one of the founders of the reform church. my father is still trying to convince me of the SDA sabbath. I’m glad to see that I became Pentecostal
I actually enjoyed this talk
Awesome video I like it❤
Galatians 4:21-31
2 Corinthians 3:4-18
Romans 7
If you are a new Adventist or thinking of joining please study these passages and ask questions.
Watch them closely as they try and squirm out of the proper interpretation.
Ask the “church” if you can be a member without subscribing to Ellen White.
I can answer that question. The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT. You can’t be married to someone that doesn’t believe Ellen.
Don’t forget Galatians 3, Colossians 2:16-18 and Romans 3!! And Hebrews 8:10-13
@@Adam-N-Eve The first thing they do with newly baptised members is gift them her books.
@@calvindonaldson9879 They didn’t gift me with any. I guess because the man I married already had them 🤷🏽♀️
The question was asked to the three pastors: why would you remain in the Adventist Church ? I would first ask these questions back ? Where else would I go ? What other Church do you know that teaches believers that we need to keep all of God's commandments ? And with these questions , if we are truly Christians, then we have to consider what the Word of God says about keeping the commandments . Let's first go to the book of Revelation. We see that God specifically identifies His people as "those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Rev. 14:12). Then we go to another verse in Revelation and read one of God's promises to His people : "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Rev. 22:14). And then the Apostle John really drives home the IMPORTANCE of COMMANDMENT KEEPING . We read "He who says, " I know Him, " and does not keep His commandments , is a liar and the truth is not in him." Now, I know that many people who claim to be Christians , also, believe that, since they are saved by grace, they no longer need to obey God . But this is not what the scriptures teach ! The 5th commandment tells us to honor our parents ; so why wouldn't we obey and honor our Creator and Redeemer as well ? After all, He is the One who gives us the breath of life and sustains us . We also see that there is an important connection between having our prayers answered and obeying God: We read "And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight"(1 John 3:22). Jesus, Himself, says "He who has My commandments and keeps them , it is he who loves Me..." (John 14:21) and "If you love Me, keep My commandments" (John 14:15) . King Solomon says: "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all" (Eccl. 12:13). Also mentioned in this interview ,and maybe at the very heart of it, is the gospel ! And I can think of so much Good News that we teach in the Seventh-Day-Adventist Church ; and Ellen White , in all of her writings, never fails to uplift Our wonderful Saviour ! I can understand how someone, in their youth , might have misunderstandings and doubts ; but I have trouble with understanding how a mature Christian can turn away from the TRUTH. I didn't grow up as an Adventist and never even heard of this Church until I was 45 years old. I'm now 76 years of age and just feel so happy and blessed that God led me into this Church. I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church and , in my early 20's, I met a beautiful Catholic girl and got married. So, not making religion a priority in my life, I joined the Catholic Church and we raised our children in the Catholic Church. Then about 20 years later , our family discovered the Truth, that had been missing in our lives through a book called The Great Controversy. And I just can't begin to tell all of the ways we've been blessed . But I will say that we recognized Truth, when we saw it, because we were making a habit of reading our Bibles. As for me, I will follow the Truth wherever it leads and I will never again choose to follow the popular "traditions of men" over the Bible. And , YES, this also means keeping that commandment that says "REMEMBER."
Brilliant discussion myles - it is very sad how these young pastors ( like many before them) think they can change the adventist organisation from ‘within’ Unfortunately they don’t realise that their ‘light’ adventism isn’t really adventism at all & is in fact incompatible with full blown adventism!🤷🏼♀️
Their determination to stay in it just shows again how hard it is to leave because they believe themselves ( maybe even subconsciously) to be in the remnant church through which they’ll be saved
I pray that they will come to understand that they need to totally rely on Jesus & not on the ‘day’ 🙏🏻
Wow, this is awesome! I am so glad that I found you Myles. Your ministry is amazing and I will pray that God will keep using you in a mighty way. I was so sad to hear these three pastors and how they kept trying to combine Ellen White with the gospel, so very sad. I pray for these three guys that God would completely open their eyes and show them truth. They need to walk away from Ellen’s writings completely, and embrace the true gospel.!!! you were so respectful, but yet honest. Amazing.
Well done to all. Great discussion. Learning new things everyday.
Such a good exchange @Myles~ praying God's continued blessings over you and the family, brother.
May God cause your ministry to bear much fruit in Jesus' name!
These pastors where all over the place.
What my question to these men is what do they say is a false gospel?
Hope they get out. "Comfort" imprisons them. They want to identify themselves as Adventists yet they don't couldn't conform to what Adventism says it is. Such dilemma. A cognitive dissonance.
Great presentation and discussion !
Next time, if there is a next time. Allow some SDA Pastors who believe in Leviticus 16 in context of The Investigative Judgment to discuss the Gospel🙏🏾
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The ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the SDA MASONIC Probation Eternal life of the Investigative Judgment
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1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Here’s a quote from the Catholic Catechism of the Council of Trent, 1566
“But while God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ’s righteousness while practicing known sins, or neglecting known duties. *God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place;* and in order for man to *retain justification,* there must be *continual obedience,* through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul.”
Actually, I was just kidding; that was from _ELLEN WHITE, Selected Messages, Book One, page 366._
Are Adventists really the heirs of the Protestant Reformation when their position on justification is closer to Rome’s infused righteousness of faith + works than Martin Luther or John Calvin’s imputed righteousness by faith alone?
@@rayray4192 I think his post is misleading and sneaky... because, Martin Luther and Calvin never said that the law of God have been abolish...
" For unless the gospel be plainly discerned from the law, the true Christian doctrine cannot be kept sound and uncorrupt. The Gospel bestows the spirit of freedom, to the Christian,so that we can obey from the heart. The LAW is not then THROWN out, but put in it's Place"
Martin Luther
I have watched this twice. It baffles me how 3 adventist "pastors" have Biblical truth put right in front of thier faces, and still cling to demonic adventist doctrine. None of the 3 even know what they believe. And they stick with adventism because its what they know. Satan has his hold. Myles, you brilliantly and straightforwardly presented these men with what they need to see the truth in God. I pray that at some point that truth does what the truth is meant to do.
It’s time for the new covenant to be accepted in the Adventist church. We can focus on the second coming and the gospel and that’s it.
The last 6 minutes of this was great .
They seem to be okay with a little bit of error in their doctrine.
You can't be against anything related to EGW as you can only be baptized if you accept her (the "spirit of prophecy"). I dare any Adventist to say "no" when you are affirming the individual fundamental beliefs during your baptismal vows and see what happens. You will be going home dry that day... that's for sure.
I was at a SDA baptism a few weeks ago, this was the first time a pastor did not ask the candidate if they believed in the Spirit of Prophecy! I was surprised..
Miles pls do a short on that Gospel presentation you gave at the end! AWESOME
Why is the SDA's "progression" into truth always finding out the Protestants and Catholics were always right? That is amazing that they are finally reaching truth. So perhaps in a couple generation, they'll move past all their heterodoxy.
Wow, theze guys "hear" what Myles is saying about the gospel and atonement but they ain't listening
That’s because you don’t realized this is planned…. Those guys aren’t Adventist. They basically agree with everything, also if u click on their UA-cam page you just realize it’s a troll Adventist page with if you look on the shorts as well as…. Videos of What is adventism
It’s only about asking Myles his questions to prove his point on Adventism…. None of them actually gave definitions to any of the answers asked. They agree with what Myles says lol
Miles cites the SDA Church's leadership and doctrine, and they still affirm SDAs are Christians.
Wow brother. Those guys will never be back again. They could not wait for you to sink that final mortal blow at the end to just shut it down so that it could be over with. Mr. Quiet guy on the right who got heated was most relieved out of all three of them. He really did not like hearing about how Adventism is another gospel, and that he needed to repent. Well done.
A key verse often cited in this context is 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NIV):
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
This verse emphasizes the value of Scripture in teaching and shaping believers. It implies that studying the Bible is important for spiritual growth and understanding God's will.
Furthermore, the Bible repeatedly underscores the significance of God's word, as seen in Psalm 119:105 (NIV): "Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path." This illustrates how Scripture can serve as a guide in the lives of believers.
While the Bible emphasizes the importance of studying God's word, it does not specifically mandate that people must do this on their own. However, within the Christian tradition, there is often encouragement for believers to study the Bible and seek to understand it in order to deepen their faith and strengthen their relationship with God. This is commonly achieved through personal Bible study, participation in group Bible studies, and listening to sermons and teachings based on the Bible.
I’ll hang tight for the 5 minute redux
The amount of times the guy on the right tried to end the conversation and FAILED was hilarious to watch lol
These friends of ours, that are so close, seem to not realize or fail to realize that there are key cardinal hinging essential mandatory beliefs that make up salvation, and it state of the dead or the intermediate state is a secondary issue that doesn't prevent Christian unity. I have a suspicion that the reason they haven't left is because of the Sabbath, which I subjectively find the greatest obstacle if you disagree with EGW and IJ and some kind of complete yet incomplete contradiction of atonement, the Sabbath from the SDAs holds people back
This is so frustrating. Miles you held it down. “I fear lest somehow as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ”
Many of these supposed “branches of Christianity” (rightly identified as different trees with different roots) are so complex for the purpose of covering tracks and cloaking the actual spirit behind the system that the true gospel, that Christ is perfectly sufficient for salvation, in and of Himself, is lost. Good work, bro. Amen.
Adventists double speak...they use biblical evangelical words and attach different meanings, very deceptive.
@@cindiloowhoo1166 true
That's like saying the Presbyterian church wich (Miles current church) never identify straight away (though you might attend) that they do NOT believe that Jesus died for everyone but for a select peaple before they were even born (predestined) everyone else predestined for destruction and that destruction is everlasting (time wise) kept alive forever in hell to suffer endlessly.
I'm a 3rd gen Adventist and for the record, it's 3 BEINGS!!! There's no need to shy away from this. This is very clear in scripture. One being with three persons or especially oneness/unitarian teaches doesn't make any sense. I'm surprised these Pastors didn't have better arguments than this.
There's enough excuse 2 find fault if you want to, since God will not use force in any way. He wants us 2 love, honor, n glorify Him. Salvation is very "personal," so we nd 2 focus on humility, repentance, with prayerful study, while we ask 4 D Holy Spirit's inspiration. Pray
If they claim SDA are so close to other Protestants then why do SDAs consider themselves the ‘remnant’?
And SDA's consider us "protestant brothers" as apostate.
The true church was and always will be born again believers in JESUS Christ worldwide, its a body, not a denomination or a building or a denominations doctrine . we are the remnant church and we are all over the world, and again its a body and Christ is the head. I am a Christian , a follower of JESUS Christ . i dont let any denomination define me, just the word alone
Seems we nd 2 abide by d guidance of D Holy Spirit, as God is willing 2 give 2 those who r willing 2, above all else, "obey Him." So if our heart is willing 2 choose wisely w all understanding/discretion as D Lord would give w knowledge of d prayerful study of His Word, then we don't confuse ourselves or others. Let's seek 2 abide by 1Corinthisns 13:4-8 ❤
Jesus never taught the sanctuary doctrine. Ellen was smarter than Jesus.
The essential question not addressed: does the bible, God's revealed word state...teach that what you believe can save you or damn you? If it does, then how is man a sinner reconciled or saved according to God's word? Then, all sects religion should be compared and contrasted according to God's word. And here are the differences in jw, sda, rcc, mormans, pca, evangelicals, islam, hindu, Buddhism, wicca, etc ...salvific beliefs are universal, catholic, not on who are the two witnesses...etc.
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed-a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.””
Romans 1:16-17 NIV
The Gospel isn’t a cookie cutter one sided message that causes division. It’s one simple universal and beautiful message that brings salvation to EVERY SINGLE PERSON who believes. God shows no favoritism. If you are in Christ, there is no condemnation for you. It’s unfortunate that conversations with most denominations have nothing to do with the requirements of salvation, when conversations about the GOOD NEWS should be taking place. I pray that the good news will continue to spread through to channel and all over 🙏🏾
Summary of the interview: Yes, Myles, you’re correct on basically every single point you’re bringing up, and even though this admission removes the Adventist distinctives and thus any reason to be Adventist, we’re still adventists because we think there’s room for discussion on this stuff, even though our organization and leading theologians say there isn’t.
You can see the gears turning in their heads. Hopefully won’t be much longer.
Minute 54 Like a Boss!
Yes, his statement was super based
You were born again just like Iowa some years ago. It's amazing isn't it? If it hasn't happened to someone that cannot understand it at all
I prefer Idaho.
Just wait until you meet the real Jesus. 🙏
I agree with the one that said; “why left one non/denomination and join another one?” Our body doesn’t belong to a man made church/religion. Our body is the church that belongs to Jesus Christ. Matthew 16:18
Yeah, Myles, I first listened to your commentary a few days ago and I was grieved about some things that you were saying, such as near the end when you said "the SDA Church is preaching a false gospel around the world and sending millions of people to hell. Then you said that the SDA Church is not Christian. So, I'm just trying to understand a little more about your Christian beliefs. You mentioned that , since you left the SDA Church, you've joined the Presbyterian Church. So let me ask you a few questions. (1) What authority do you use for your beliefs ? From what I heard a few days ago, when you attacked SDA beliefs on Sabbath keeping , you can't be using the Bible as your authority for your faith. Seventh day Sabbath observance is clearly a doctrine that is followed throughout the Scriptures by God's people. In the book of Acts , we see that, many years after the ascension of Christ, the Jewish Christians, the Gentile Christians , and the Apostles were still observing the Lord's Sabbath day. We can see this in Acts 13:14, 42,44 , Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, and Acts 18:4. You referred to the SDA Church as a reform movement instead of an extension of the first century Christian Church. I would tell you just the opposite, however, because it's you who are following the traditions of men by observing Sunday rather than God's holy Sabbath. My first question is this ? Why do you not follow God's commandment? ? I have a comment to share with you which was made by the PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH: "Until, therefore , it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath " ---T. C . Blake, D. D., Theology Condensed, pp. 474, 475. Is this a double- speak by your Church or has your church just evolved into something all together different ? How can you justify just tossing out one of God's commandments but following the others ? Another question I have is this (2) Is your Church fulfilling the Great Commission to go into all the world and make disciples of all nations ? The SDA Church is in every nation where it is legal to be there; and we are also going into the others through the air waves and via satellite. We are following all of the counsel of Scriptures, as a Church. And , yes, Myles we are the remnant Church as defined in Rev 12:17( the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.) Rev 19:10 says" the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." So, let me ask you "What other Church is keeping all of God's commandments and has the prophetic gift in their Church ? Please understand that I in no way want to elevate myself or my church above those , in other churches , who are following all of the light that they have. It's the leaders of these churches that I'm calling out. They all profess to be Christian but do not obey God. And , by the way, obedience to God is an important part in our salvation, in receiving the Holy Spirit, and in having our prayers answered. Heb 5:9 says " And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him. " Acts 5:32 says " And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who OBEY Him"
Then, in 1John 3:22, we read "And whatever we ask , we receive from Him because WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS and do those things that are pleasing in His sight." And I know that there are many who believe that, because they are saved by grace, they no longer need to obey God and keep all of His commandments; but this is not what the holy scriptures teach . So, I need to go now but I have much more to say later. In closing , I just want to say that I'm trying to follow all of the light that I have; and after spending about 20 years each in the Baptist and the Catholic Church, I'm so thankful that God led me to the SDA Church. There are just so many things I love about our church; but I never even heard of it before I was already in my early 40's.
I enjoyed this discussion very much. However, I do believe it would be much more productive if Miles had more of an in depth discussion with one minister at a time. The 3 ministers seem to talk over each other and Miles is not able to go deeper with the discussion.
I'm an Adventist because of Ellen's view of scripture, but I reject her other ideas... Cognitive dissonance?
The church sends out a billion copies of their book of Mormon, er.. the great controversy, but its ok, we dont all believe that.
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I have listened to this trio, do they reject any of the 28 fundermental beliefs or not?
Myles clearly came prepared and the otber 3 guys felt a bit unprepared on their core beliefs and doctrines
The little horn in the book of révélation might be the sda chuch...I don't think it's the usa...funny how they can point the finger at other religion, but they are intact and without blemish..food for thought..
The little horn in Daniel is not the SDA church, as the beast that the horn comes from concerns the Roman empire. This is the kind of thing that happens when ppl try to guess or insert their own interpretations into scripture instead of allowing it to speak for itself.
I appreciate your sincerity and honesty in your beliefs. You seem to know better the Adventist Church and Adventist theology, even though you do not stick to it, than the pastors. I feel ashamed of my dear colleagues (the three SDA pastors). Unfortunately, they do not know what they believe very well. I do invite you to be faithful to the sola scriptura principle as you claim. How you define the gospel, and your beliefs is also based on Christian tradition, and that is where you have your problem. And that is not a secret, almost every renown Protestan Theologian and Evangelical will admit that they do not rely solely on Scripture, but also on tradition. You are starting at the wrong place in determining whether Adventist Theology is biblical or not.
That isn’t what sola scriptura is. That’s the problem, like I mentioned-definitions. Sola scriptura is not “Bible only.” That’s called nuda scriptura, not sola scriptura. Major difference.
But furthermore, it’s ridiculous to act like SDA theology is even “bible only.” Lol The Great Controversy theme is not from the Bible. We discussed this. Without that the SDA system of theology collapses.
The SDA Church openly admits that Ellen White functions as an infallible interpreter. That you can’t understand the Bible without having her writings to interpret. We just went over this, yet again, last week: ua-cam.com/users/livep-_r8uI4p5c?feature=share
Point being, acting like SDA theology is “Bible only” is really silly. And sola scriptura is not “Bible only.” Study Protestantism better.
Sola scriptura is the belief that scripture is the only INFALLIBLE rule of faith and practice for the church. Not the only source outright.
You guys have an “infallible interpreter” who interprets the scriptures for you. That’s the antithesis of sola scriptura. Not believing the Creeds are biblical and recognizing Gods work in preserving His people and Church through the ages, thus they are an accurate summation of biblical doctrine.
Well then, let us call it nuda Scriptura for your understanding. I am afraid you do not have a clear idea, nor the guess pastors, what the role of the gift of prophecy is. If the Bible is clear (though you do not agree), but to me is fundamentally clear, that God will restore the gift of prophecy in the last days, and if for me the Bible is the only rule of faith and practice, why to have a problem with Ellen White, if she is God's prophet? How did the pioneers came to accept Ellen White's prophetic gift? Through the Bible. Prophets were not only spiritual counselors, they had prophetic authority, whether they were canonical, or non-canonical, the Spirit is the same who inspires. God knows that human minds are limited in their understanding of revealed truth. Without prophetic guidance, there would be confusion, as there is right now, and as there was in Biblical times. So I do not stumble by that. If you use the Bible to apply the biblical tests of a prophet, and Ellen White passes that test, then fine. If you disagree, that is fine, but the problem is that your are bringing non-biblical presuppositions to the study, and therefore it is logical to fall into your conclusions. At least, you are more consistent than these pastors.
To your other point about the great controversy motif, I can't understand why you do not see it. This doctrine is so clear, it runs all through Scripture, that it is hard to miss it. The cross you and I believe in would not make any sense without the understanding of the Great Controversy. I see you are sincere, and I like you are challenging adventist pastors, so that they can go back to their Bibles. Just go to the Bible alone, and if you are sincere, God will show it to you (John 7:16-18).
@@GoogleUser-yv7fe The real issue here is the macro hermeneutical presuppositions that one brings into the study of the Bible. He is coming from the Protestant tradition who in turn use a highly classical model of interpretation that goes back to Plato and Aristotle. It’s a mixture of Philosophy and Theology. I am not ashamed to admit that Seventh-Day Adventist differ in many respects with Protestants and Evangelicals, even in the doctrine of salvation, because we use different hermeneutical presuppositions that those used in the past. Unfortunately few Adventist pastors and members know the difference, and therefore right now we have an identity crisis issue.
@@TodaEscritura...I don’t think u realize Myles is a Jesuit undercover
Ephesians 2:4-9
The best examples to follow is that of Jesus. If we were to live our entire life trying to interpret and comprehend his ministry and his examples we will be much better off. Love and obedience to God and love to fellow men. Jesus observed the sabbath by exemplifying “the how to“ and he loved his fellowmen unconditionally. If you break 1 commandments, you’re guilty of breaking all. James 2:10
Is there a way to dialogue with these gentleman outside of these comments?
Maybe the Adventist church has more acceptance now. In my day disagreeing on things White promulgated got one removed from teaching any class.
Like nailing Jell-O to a wall Myles! What I heard was I probably wouldn't be here if I wasn't born into it. Sad.
How are they not seeing that it's a different gospel? How are they okay with satan being part of salvation and atonment? How are they okay with "progressive truth" and everything else they're okay with regarding SDA?
Amen Miles. The sda will not do away with heretic beliefs
The core tree has not provided the sda branch. I am sad because I see the strongholds that I was once tied to just like these guys. Poor Anthony. We pray that they will be set free. Compromise that transition may be somewhat. I am thankful that you stayed consistent
wasn't Bate's letter she read ... it was Turner's letter about Hyrum Edsons vision ... re ... investigative judgement. Bate's book was on astronomy,,,when she also claimed there were huge humans on Jupiter or Saturn!
I love Seeing all these comments. The Bible mention that this was to happen. Revelation 12 : 14. Yes, the Bible does say that in the last days that there will be an attack upon those who still keep the Commandments of God and maintain their faith in Jesus.
You all say that SDA keeps ALL of the commandments, but I only hear SDA “pastors” preach on ONE, However, they’re not do that one according to scriptures. Do you know and obey the commandments JESUS CHRIST gave in Matthew 5&6?
Changing how the atonment happens is very central and it is blowing my mind they cant see sda is on a different tree